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CNN’s Rick Sanchez became livid on his program Friday about a color ad that FOX News had placed in the September 17, 2009 edition of The Washington Post.

The ad contained a photo, which he said is suspiciously similar to a tower shot used by CNN of the Tea Party March on Washington D.C. The offending ad accused all of the major networks by name, including CNN, of intentionally not covering the event, and implying that only FOX covers “all” the news and no one else does. The event was referred to as a right-wing tea party and was heavily promoted and covered at FOX News.

Sanchez said FOX was “…using a lie to try and divide people into camps. And, you know, Americans are starting to get tired of this.”

Sanchez went on to use several methods to prove just how well the event was covered by CNN, showing a clip of the FOX News Bill O’Reilly program The O’Reilly Factor in which O'Reilly says on camera, “…CNN, as we mentioned, covered the anti-Obama protests, of course…”

As further proof, he ran several clips of CNN correspondents reporting on the event. CNN’s Paul Steinhauser reported on the route the protesters were taking and the approximate time the event would take place on the west front of the Capitol building. CNN correspondent Kate Bolduan reported on traffic conditions for the rally, helpfully mentioning that many were still stuck on Pennsylvania Avenue and that crowds were still coming from Freedom Plaza. CNN’s Lisa Desjardins interviewed protesters in the crowd indicating that they all very strongly supported Congressman Joe Wilson’s outburst at President Obama. One protester was so proud of his stand that when he realized he was on camera, he actually turned his sign around so that it couldn't be read by viewers!

Saving the best for last, Sanchez played coast-to-coast clips of CNN correspondent Jim Spellman who had traveled with the “Tea Party Express” to some 30 rallies, reporting on them in several newscasts as they traveled east to Washington D.C. Spellman reported on the growing numbers within the ranks of the protesters who loudly support “…outlandish conspiracy theories about death camps about this takeover, people comparing President Obama to Hitler. And it really is a sizable thread. It's not just a couple of people on the edges.”

As Sanchez’s anger grew at the out-and-out lie that CNN didn’t cover the event, he said this of the photo in their ad, “All right, let me show you this. You see the thing on the left now? That's our tower cam shot of the event that we used repeatedly throughout those shows. Funny how you can say that we didn't cover an event by using that picture.  That picture that looks an awful lot like our tower cam shot, doesn't it? And you used it in your ad saying we didn't cover the story.”

Sanchez summed up his presentation by saying that the difference in the two competing networks' coverage of the event was that CNN “covered” it while FOX News went out of their way to “promote” it in order to divide the country along political lines.  He defied FOX to study the different meanings of those two words. He went on to reiterate that CNN covered the event with four correspondents, two satellite trucks, multiple live interviews with attendees, and on-camera lawmakers giving their views.

CNN put in a call to FOX News asking for a comment on Sanchez’s report, and informing them of Sanchez's on-camera demand of an apology for the false and misleading ad.

Apparently they’re still waiting for someone to return that call.

Sanchez ended his segment by saying, “Let me address the FOX News network now perhaps the most current way that I can, by quoting somebody who recently used a very pithy phrase, two words. It's all I need: 'You lie.'"

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  • Arch Conservative

    Yawn.

    I’m sure all 613 people who saw Dirty Sanchez give his little rant are really fired up now.

  • Arch Conservative

    I just can’t stay away from this big red bullseye on a lazy Saturday morning.

    Sanchez was right. CNN didn’t promote the event but he was also wrong in that they weren’t fair and balanced. They did everything the did to demean the event. That is obvious in the clips that Dirty Sanchez showed in his little Olbermann like hissy fit.

    Here are some more videos that display just how “fair and balanced” CNN is…

    CNN 1

    CNN 2

    CNN 3

    CNN 4

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Arch, you’ve been around Blogcritics long enough now to be well aware that we dislike raw urls and want them properly formatted. I’ve fixed the four above for you but please do it right in the future or I will delete them. If you don’t yet know how, here is a very simple explanation of how to format a link.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Yeah, Arch, the whole Susan Roesgen tea party coverage crap (featured in every single one of your clips) is sticking like glue to most right-wing news outlets. I’m not at all surprised that your lazy Saturday turned up some of the laziest examples of CNN’s biased coverage, but at least you did some legwork.

    The truth is that Roesgen wasn’t the most professional of reporters (who is in American media anymore?) but she did do her job of not simply letting ridiculous statements go unchallenged. She blamed FOX for supporting the tea parties and claimed them as anti-government and anti-CNN (huh?), but she didn’t present anything that wasn’t accurate in her reporting and there certainly wasn’t anything in those clips to suggest CNN was being unfair in the tea party coverage.

    And that’s actually quite funny, Arch, because finding bias on CNN is so easy it’s not even funny.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Sanchez seems like a bit of a primadonna here. He’s not exactly making a brilliant new discovery that Fox News is out to beat their competition by any means possible.

    As for the coverage, if you call what Fox News did covering the event, then CNN did not cover the event in a meaningful way. Mostly they ignored it and occasionally they mocked it. It’s not any better in its way than what Fox News did. It’s just a different form of bad coverage.

    Dave

  • STM

    Dirty Sanchez??

    Lol.

  • Clavos

    Yet another example of why I don’t turn on the TV for news.

    All talking heads, regardless of network, are performers, not journalists. Ratings are the sine qua non of that business, which has zero resemblance to journalism.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Awwww, you didn’t like my story… and I stayed away so long too. darn

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    *Turns on TV news*…their human form is a trick, a disguise of the Illuminati shape shifter…examining it frame by frame you can catch glimpses of their real nature …you’ve got to look really closely……anchors morph into there true hidden form…red clown noses appear…then listen really closely and you might catch the other clue…do you hear it?…put your ear right up to the speaker…hold your breath…there seems to be faint circus music playing in the background.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    While it is true that a news organization is only as good as how much you agree with it, in this case CNN got it right in calling out Fox for implying that they “missed” this story and didn’t cover it.

    I have this fantasy that the commentors below are going to comment on the article instead of each other.

    silly me…

  • zingzing

    a lot of people (those who fox was advertising to, i suppose,) didn’t see fox’s coverage of the tea party, and yet they knew about it. a lot of those same people knew about it because of tv news. so fox decided to run an ad aimed at people who might be interested in political news and like to get political news on television by stating that those same people hadn’t seen the tea party coverage because they were watching another station. but they had. so they knew fox was lying out their ass. and that fox killed its husband.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    *hangs head in shame for not even looking at the article…decides to read it*

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Dear God…

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    Well-written article Jet. Marginalization and politicizing taking place in the MSM.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    between them, rather

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Of course most right-wingers won’t make it that far, but Rick pretty much speaks for himself in the video at the end of the article Cindy.

    You can’t argue (well they could I guess) with the evidence that’s right in front of your eyes because everything he says is true and backed up with facts…

    they lied!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    “Every loyal Republican in both houses of Congress is charged with only one important and sacred duty; to make sure that this president accomplishes little or nothing during this term… Period.”

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Seeing is believing? Here’s a video of a Fox News producer egging on an anti-Obama crowd-click here that she’s just told was on camera.

  • Arch Conservative

    “I have this fantasy that the commentors below are going to comment on the article instead of each other.”

    And I have this fantasy where Susan Roesgen is naked, ballgag in mouth, on all fours, hands tied together underneath her, with Dick Cheney standing over her in full bondage gear, leather mask and all.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Dear God Arch, and you guys call me a pervert???

  • zingzing

    “And I have this fantasy where Susan Roesgen is naked, ballgag in mouth, on all fours, hands tied together underneath her, with Dick Cheney standing over her in full bondage gear, leather mask and all.”

    ooo, a little voyeurism, archie? dick cheney as a dominatrix (although doesn’t the gimp wear the leather mask?) is pretty fucking dark.

  • zingzing

    jet, that video is disturbing.

  • Arch Conservative

    I don’t ever remember calling you a pervert Jet. But because we on BC so passionate about our politics I’d like you to flip the script and tell me it wouldn’t get your motor going if it was Ann Coulter in the ball gag with Keith Olberman standing over her. I forgot you’re gay though………..how about Keith Olbermann standing over Mitt Romney.

    Huh….Huh?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    *tip toes out carefully, trying not to step in or touch anything*

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Please don’t mention Ann Coulter I just spent a week figuring out how to get the bitch’s ad for her book off of my political page… yuk

    Zing, check out my new banner for my political page by clicking my URL…

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    And with truly good reason Cindy… well done.

  • http://waftingcurtains.wordpress.com Chelsea Doyle

    What I’m surprised about is that anyone is surprised at all. Most news stations are annoyingly biased in one direction or the other, which makes watching “news” basically a joke. That being said, at least CNN did not claim that Fox News didn’t bother to cover something at all when there was hard evidence to suggest otherwise. That’s just silly. Now if Fox decided to claim that they didn’t cover it fairly or were biased, that’s an arguable point, but to say they didn’t cover it at all? Tsk. They deserved to be slapped on the wrist for that one, though it’s doubtful anyone will learn from it anyway.

    The Daily Show regularly shows clips of news anchors directly contradicting their own station. All truth can be twisted into a lie if it helps serve their cause, and that’s a problem with the news system. However, since they worry about ratings more than integrity, it’d be a losing battle to hope for more.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Walter Cronkite where are you when we need you?

  • Clavos

    Jet #25:

    Checked out your banner, very colorful what software did you use to put it together?

    BTW, it’s “corporate influence,” not “influance.” :-)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Would you believe microsoft paint to assemble the objects, 1998 Claris works to alter the photos, and 2000 Photo relay to adjust the contrast etc.

    I used the same method to create Glen’s Rockologist banner.

    antique but effective.

    thanks for the conmpliment

  • Clavos

    Wow, MS Paint? You’re good. Here’s a tip:

    Gimp (Gnu Image Manipulation Program) is a free download (because it’s open source) and has a whole slew of cool features — some say it’s as feature-rich as Photoshop. Google it.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Okay, thanks. I had to sell off a lot of my professional stuff when I had trouble back a few years and I’m trying to reassemble.

    One of my art customers gave me a 24 inch 1920×1200 LCD monitor as a birthday gift a couple years ago and when I see smaller screens I wonder how I ever lived with them…

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Jet, I thought you were in favor of LGBT people like Mr. Coulter.

    Dave

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Um if I liked lesbians I’d be straight wouldn’t I?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Not even lipstick lesbians, Jeff? Come one, they’re gorgeous.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    OK, Jeff, you don’t have to answer. I was speaking to another Jeff.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Now if you really want to be impressed Clavos, I used to design the front panels for a couple of stereo companies when I was a lad, check out the one I designed pixel by pixel (if you look really close) of the one I designed here

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Roger, that’s like my asking you if running your hands sensuously over a 24-year-old Arnold Schwartzenegar’s muscles would turn you on.

  • Clavos

    Very cool, Jet, very cool.

    Where do you get your images, like the Rolls?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    That’s not my taste in men. I like the sensual types. Just kidding.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I built the hollywood sign from scratch, the rolls came from their website

  • Clavos

    You really do need to check out GIMP. I’ve had it for a while now, but I’m not nearly as sophisticated about this stuff as you obviously are, so I haven’t even begun to use all its capabilities. You’ll go nuts with it, I think.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Why is a picture of Roger cuddling with George Clooney stuck in my head now?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    It’s because you have vivid imagination. It’d have to be a long suffering male, one could console.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh…… I thought it was the comment about your liking sensual men… my bad. :)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    IMO, Ann Coulter is one of the most unattractive persons I’ve ever seen. Pretentious and shallow. And the worst part is, she thinks she’s not. That’s the most unattractive thing about her – not knowing it.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Ahh, then you can imagine how pissed I was when ads for her book began running on my politics page!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger –

    #46 is the best description of Coulter I’ve ever seen. She’s so busy being the alpha female that she can’t see why she’s been engaged several times but never married (according to the Wikipedia).

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    And to think I thought it was just a lack of sex appeal?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh by the way, It’s been so long since I’ve been here that I’ve forgotten to do something extreemly important…

    and I’d hate to hurt his feelings by forgetting so…

    um Arch?
    (:^p~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  • Glenn Contrarian

    I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned, but here’s proof that Fox not only reports news…but helps manufacture news.

    Here’s one quote:
    “We just received the following behind the scenes footage from an anonymous tipster showing what appears to be a Fox News producer encouraging a crowd to scream and holler during a ‘report’ by Fox News’ Griff Jenkins,”

    Seems Fox was caught helping ‘stage-manage’ a Tea Party. That begs the question – are they really a news network…or an infomercial channel?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Glenn, I posted that back on #18 but it bears repeating :)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Ok, I just watched the Media Matters (George Soros’ disinformation mill) video. It’s all of 5 seconds long and consists of a woman waving her arm at the crowd. Pointless.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Jet. I’m surprised you haven’t heard the popular theory that Coulter is a transsexual. She/He/It has a prominent adams apple.

    Dave

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    The woman is waving her arm upward at the crowd in a down to up motion with a script in her hand egging them on.

    and at this point I’d say George is about as reliable a source as what you can see with your own eyes.

    Let them judge for themselves.

    What’s the old motown phrase

    Believe only half of what you see
    and none of what you hear

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I’m not into trannys either. I can support their rights, but I don’t have to sleep with them.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Dave you make it sound like she’s waving gleefully as a greeting-which she obviously is not.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Do Dave? How do I get the yellow Digg box up at the first paragraph of this article?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    We were discussing it on the Yahoo page and Eric says an editor has to do it?

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I’ll do the Digg thing, Jet.

    And the clip from MM is so short that the context is completely missing. We really have nothing but the word of the MM commenter what she’s really up to.

    And if the did try to quiet the crowd and then tell them when to clear so she could get a clear soundbite, then what’s wrong with that? In this instance the interests of the media and the interests of the crowd are in harmony.

    Dave

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    In other words the interest of Fox News and the interests of the crowd are in harmony?

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Hey Jet,

    First – good article. Generally, I find that pretty much nobody here at BC likes the MSM. Frankly, I don’t have a problem with it in general. Fox is righty tighty, and MSNBC is lefty loosie. CNN may lean left from time to time, but they do have some right wingers – mainly good ole Lou Dobbs spouting his drivel. Overall, CNN is the least biased of the cable news outlets. Hell, MSNBC has Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan spouting off pretty much every day which tends to “balance” Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow, don’t you think?

    Jet, got a question for you as you seem to be pretty computer savvy.

    I am in the early stages of putting together a fairly lengthy slide presentation of my wife’s family history which will involve at least a few hundred photos along with a bit of old Super 8 film and hopefully, some other video footage and still photos from a variety of sources. All of this is to be cued to music as closely as possible. The music I intend to use runs about 40 to 45 minutes.

    I have found some software that may be able to handle the task – Photodex Corps’ “Pro Show Gold.”

    I should note that I really don’t quite know what I’m doing, and may be biting off more than I can chew. It’s going to be a fairly monumental task just to collect all the family photos I will need as there are literally a few hundred people in my wife’s extended family, and they are located in at least 4 or 5 different states and a few in Europe.

    But, from the technical standpoint, I am wondering if this is something I can pull off without requiring high cost equipment -computers, scanners, software, etc.

    Any thoughts?

    B

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Dave, thanks for the Digg box at the first paragraph-much appreciated my friend!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Hmmm Baritone, I use Microsoft movie editor for such projects, but that’s only because it came with the computer so I’m used to it.

    Your software sounds up to the task, as for you, I can give you this advice.

    The first thing to do is a rehearsal project just to get to know what you can and can’t do. I’ve discovered that by using a throwaway project first, I usually find a dozen tricks I didn’t know I could do with it simply by accident.

    TAKE NOTES-My software allows both movies and slides in the same presentation and look for a timeline feature so that you can place certain things at certain times in a song. I had no idea how I did something until after I did it… then couldn’t remember how I did it the next day!!!!!!

    TAKE NOTES

    The worst mistake I’ve made with a project like yours is thinking, oh I’ll remember how to do that… until it comes time to do it again.

    Also play A LOT with the captions and titles features. Click on each to see what it does and how you can change colors, sizes and textures.

    Again do this on a throwaway project that doesn’t matter, then when you do the real one you’ll wonder what all the fuss was about.

    It’s like the first couple of times I formatted cells in a spreadsheet-until I did it, I thought I’d never figure it out, now it’s like second nature, or the first time you tuned a car or cleaned the heads on a VCR.

    Good luck my friend.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Also play a lot with the transitions from one slide to another AND DON’T GET TO FANCY WITH THEM. Remember over-production is worse than a simple project and a lot less enjoyable when your viewers have to sit through fancy flip-flops twirls and blinking dots… a simple fade will surfice.

  • Clavos

    I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned, but here’s proof that Fox not only reports news…but helps manufacture news.

    Yeah, they learned how from NBC, CBS, and ABC.

    Anybody who watches TV — any network — for news has shit for brains.

  • Clavos

    Except B-tone of course…

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    What part of Mr. Sanchez’s presentation was manufactured? what lies did he tell? does he deserve an apology or at least a response?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Are you in Miami or Miami Beach Clav?

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    In other words the interest of Fox News and the interests of the crowd are in harmony?

    In the sense that Fox News wants a clear soundbite to play on their network and the crowd wants their speaker to get heard on the air. Do you really think the other networks don’t do the same thing? You think that in the middle of a crowd interview when the mike can’t pick up the interviewee they don’t try to get the crowd around the interview to quiet down?

    Dave

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    She quite obviously wasn’t trying to quiet them down Dave, anyone with half a brain can see that by just watching the clip.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Her hand is facing backwards and moving in a “come on” motion that anyone who’s ever seen a traffic cop would recognize.

    She’s encouraging them-not waving at them.

    This is a side issue and typical distraction from the subject of this article which is that FOX news lied in that newspaper ad and the major networks despite your opinion of them deserve an apology for implying that they didn’t cover the event.

    … and just because aledgedly “everyone” does it is not a valid excuse.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    Your link is a good point…except for what the staging was for. In the link, ABC, NBC, and CBS were involved in staging problems with vehicle safety.

    NONE of their actions were involving encouraging a crowd to protest against the president.

    I’m not excusing them for what they did…but what they did does NOT compare to what Fox did/does.

  • mary M

    CNN what about covering ACORN?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    She’s so busy being the alpha female that she can’t see why she’s been engaged several times but never married…

    ????

    Come again?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I don’t think Glenn meant, Cindy, that failure to get married counts somehow as a strike against a woman – although it may come across like that to some readers. (One would know for sure if Coulter herself had questioned herself on this point: “Why is it that I can’t get married?” for example.)

    I think the meaning is that she’s unaware of the negative effects her personality has on others – she basks herself so in the glory of being the right wing’s darling. Which makes her kind of obnoxious.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    Her hand is facing backwards and moving in a “come on” motion that anyone who’s ever seen a traffic cop would recognize.

    *wonders how many dents Dave’s car has*

    (But officer, you waved me on…)

  • http://www.joannehuspek.wordpress.com Joanne Huspek

    Clav is right, all “news” is these days are performers, entertainers, mongerers… The days of any semblance of true journalism is long gone, along with political ethics. In simple terms, it’s money, moolah, cash dollars. If you view it as such, you know to keep an open mind.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    The news has become a product of the market.

    Everyone should be happy. The market is doing a great job keeping everything just like everyone likes it.

    Empty news, huge costs to live, cheaply made goods. People working their time away, resources being wasted, so companies can compete to make 300 versions of the ipod. And everyone knows the world needs more ipods.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I’ll transmit to you Charles Taylor’s article dealing with this very question: “Do we need more growth?” but that’s for later.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger – thanks for explaining it better than I could.

    Cindy – I’m not a misogynist by any means. I’ve said many times that I agree with Robert Heinlein that women are generally more intelligent than men. I’m not saying that to patronize you – it’s an honest statement. In all honesty I pity women, because there they are – generally more intelligent than us men, but cursed by physical weakness and physical/emotional desire to need men.

    Yes, women are generally more intelligent than men…and I am so grateful that I’m a man.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    and physical/emotional desire to need men

    lol, yeah my sentiments at one point

    But really, I suspect there isn’t a thing wrong with men that they don’t learn.

    but cursed by physical weakness

    I will tell you what I discover after I finish reading Myths of Male Dominance

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    *runs away now, before Jet gets here and sees me mucking up his thread*

    Help! Save me! Somebody talk about the article.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Jet,

    Thanks for the advice. I had intended to do just what you suggest: a throwaway project.

    I agree that one can get too taken with technology – tricks of the trade as it were – and in the end over-dazzling the viewer. However, I am glad that the ProShow Gold has something like 300 different effects and transitions from which to chose.

    I am a bit curious that the ProShow Gold version of the Photodex software costs around $60 – the last time I looked – while their more “professional” version costs over $300. They both have virtually the same features and capabilities. The only difference I can detect is possibly a difference in how adaptable the professional version is to being applied to different media, but I’m not even sure about that.

    Anyhow, thanks again.

    B

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Cindy –

    But really, I suspect there isn’t a thing wrong with men that they don’t learn.

    Let’s qualify that as referring to those men who are really men and not the animals who commit most of the evil in the world.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger –

    I think this is the umpteenth time you’ve had to explain to others in one or two sentences what took me an hour or so to compile as digital brain dumps. I hope that someday I’ll learn the art of concise conversation…but until then, I really do appreciate the help.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Just a side note here.

    I made a comment on an article published in the Culture section a few days ago, suggesting to the author that had she tweaked the article a bit, it could have been published here in Politics – that she would have had more readership and certainly more commentary. Lisa McKay took issue with that in saying that the # of comments was no measure of readership. Someone else pointed out that the # of comments an article gets is the ONLY measure writers have as there is currently no means to record how many people at least “click” on any particular article.

    A few days later, Eric (I believe it was Eric) sent an email to all of us to please comment on articles outside of Politics – apparently to no avail.

    I published an article in Culture concerning the death of singer Mary Travers a couple of days ago, and I have had a total of one comment. I get more response to such articles at my blog site. and believe me, nobody reads my blogs. Most Culture articles and many in other sections of BC go with no commentary at all.

    I was tempted to throw some idiotic political allusion into my Travers article just so I could have a case for getting it published here in Politics.

    Any of us who write for BC – regardless of what section, have enough of an ego that we believe we have something to say which others would want to read.

    Frankly, I’d rather have Dave, Arch, Obnoxious Am, and whoever else tearing an article I’d written apart limb from limb than writing something that just sits there dissipating into the ether.

    B

  • Clavos

    NONE of their actions were involving encouraging a crowd to protest against the president.

    I’m not excusing them for what they did…but what they did does NOT compare to what Fox did/does.

    Oh horseshit Glenn. Your original charge was:

    I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned, but here’s proof that Fox not only reports news…but helps manufacture news. (emphasis added)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Glenn,

    I took what you said for a shorthand – to cover a deeper point. Of course, I can understand, too, why Cindy reacted to the form of words rather than the general idea. It’s all fair and square now.

  • Clavos

    B-tone:

    If you’re looking for excellent high-end photo/image/graphics/video/animation software at a good price, check out GIMP here.

    It’s open source, based on the GNU/Linux OS and is totally compatible with Windows, I’ve been using GIMP for a couple of years on both XP and Vista, and is FREE.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    Let’s qualify that as referring to those men who are really men and not the animals who commit most of the evil in the world.

    All men are first babies, the Gitmo torturers once snuggled teddy bears.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    89- I was just asking Glenn what he meant. Everything he says informs me he is not a misogynist. Just a question not a presumption.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I understand. I didn’t presume either (that you presumed) – only offered my reading of Glenn’s comment.

  • zingzing

    dave: “Ok, I just watched the Media Matters (George Soros’ disinformation mill) video. It’s all of 5 seconds long and consists of a woman waving her arm at the crowd. Pointless.”

    what? my god, dave. blindness. anyone can easily tell what she’s doing. how long do you need?

    and all this about trying to quiet them down… sheesh. give us a break. what a load of crap. you know exactly what she’s doing.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    All I did was leave for 8 hours and look at this? Chaos!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Zing, try to keep up. I did describe exactly what she’s doing. She’s trying to make sure the crowd is quiet while the speaker is talking and loud after the speaker is done, so that she can get a nice 5 second clip to put onm the news which represents both what the speaker says so her audience can hear it and the enthusiasm of the crowd. I don’t see why this is a problem.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Baritone:

    I write articles for Culture too. I just put a nice play review there which got zero comments. I didn’t really expect any, but I wanted to write it anyway.

    But it IS possible to get lots of comments in other sections if you want them. Write a post about how Miley Cyrus is a pole-dancing slut and you’ll get far more comments than you get on a politics article.

    Dave

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    All right, let’s put this issue of ACORN to bed now, shall we? A left-wing nut organization registered a bunch of democratic voters, so that makes them official representatives of the Democratic Party????

    Uh, does that mean white supremacicsts and the entire Baptist Church are official spokesmen for the Republican party?

    The whole ACORN issue is nothing more than a smokescreen distraction, because they can’t put forth valid arguments on the current subject.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    She’s trying to quiet them down?????? I want some of what Dave’s smoking.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    All these people and only 5 of you “Dugg” the article…….. sniff…. choke…

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I want everyone to go to comment #18, click the link and explain to Dave that she’s trying to quiet them down.

  • zingzing

    oh, dave… that’s a HUGE load of shit.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Zing, Dave’s problem is optical, if her hand was facing forward she’d be merrily waving at them as Dave asserted earlier, or later as he assumes, she’s trying to quiet them down, However, her hand is facing backward, which means she’s trying to whip them into an insane and over-enthusiastic fury so that they’ll crash at the camera at any moment, screaming in gusto and vigor and wave their silly and mispelled signs that were premade for them by baptist ministers flown in from around the world with magic markers… all on the payroll of ACORN and the Nazi party and sponsored by Fox News…

    I knew I’d veer back on to subject somehow, I just didn’t know how until I got all that out.

    whew……

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    She’s trying to make sure the crowd is quiet while the speaker is talking and loud after the speaker is done, so that she can get a nice 5 second clip to put on the news which represents both what the speaker says so her audience can hear it and the enthusiasm of the crowd.

    Dave, any retired military man knows something of crowd control, and I KNOW that waving hands rapidly in an UPward movement (with UPturned palms) is NOT trying to keep the crowd quiet. THAT, sir, is what football players do during the game to get the crowd to get loud to drown out the other team’s quarterback.

    Not only that, but if you LISTEN to the clip, the girl is getting the crowd to cheer at the BEGINNING of the speech…and the clip does NOT continue until “after the speaker is done” as your comment implies.

    Dave, as I’ve said many times, you’re not stupid. That fact in and of itself severely limits the possible reasons why you would deny the obvious. The possible reasons I now see are (1) you want to ‘win’ at all costs, (2) you really do want to objectively explore other explanations, (3) you want to uphold Fox’s reputation at all costs, or (4) you are making an outrageous comment just to get us to make lots of replies to support BC.

    Maybe I’ve missed the real reason – but I cannot believe that you really think the girl’s trying to keep the crowd quiet. As I said, you’re not that stupid.

    As I said concerning your ‘blacks are strongly represented at the protests’ comment, you’re embarrassing yourself – and as I said, this is not an insult but some sincere advice to someone for whom I have some respect.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Respect or not Glenn, I suspect that Dave only watches the news with his right eye open.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    From the Washington Independent:
    “When reporters walked up to the ballroom of the Omni Shoreham Hotel to see Bill O’Reilly’s Friday night speech — he was receiving the “Media Courage Award” — we were told, to our surprise, that no members of the media would be allowed in. Word had leaked out that no non-Fox News cameras would be allowed in, but there had been no indication that no reporters could attend even if they left their recording equipment and notebooks outside.

    I was one of about a dozen reporters who huddled outside the room for a few minutes immediately after the speech was supposed to start. Security guards, pictured after the jump, ushered us further and further away from the door–we could hear brief bits of O’Reilly’s speech when the doors would swing open.”

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy D

    All I did was leave for 8 hours and look at this? Chaos!

    roflolol! I knew you’d come and clean the place up sooner or later. :-)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    oy vay!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    That’s the ticket, Jet. It’s your thread so don’t ever leave it unattended. Now you’re stuck with the unpleasant business of clean-up.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    “He that wrestles with us strengthens our nerves, and sharpens our skill. Our antagonist is our helper. This amicable conflict with difficulty helps us to an intimate acquaintance with our object, and compels us to consider it in all its relations. It will not suffer us to be superficial.”

    Edmund Burke

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Or to put it in other words, Jet, “know thy enemy.”

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I prefer to think of them as my friends, but they don’t know it yet

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I agree with you entirely. For unless you do, how can you bring anybody around?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Then there’s the ever-popular “Keep your friends close, and you enemies closer”

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    True, too.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Clav,

    I took note of your suggestion regarding GIMP to Jet earlier. A cousin of my wife had suggested GIMP to me some time ago. I will check it out. Thanks.

    B

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    We have the responsibility to bring our brains along when digesting any news source: CNN, Fox, newspapers or blogs. If you read/watch a variety of sources, and apply your gray matter, you can get a pretty good idea of what’s going on.

    All the gross generalizations about MSM news are just that: lazy rhetoric, not reasoned argument.

    And BBC World [available on most cable systems and some PBS stations] and the PBS News Hour ought to be at least an occasional part of everyone’s news diet.

    Along with an essential supplement: the bullshit-exposing humor of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    And also:
    Good article, Jet — very well written. I sometimes find Sanchez irritating, but on this he is so obviously right. Fox’s ad was pretty outrageous.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “We have the responsibility to bring our brains along when digesting any news source: CNN, Fox, newspapers or blogs. If you read/watch a variety of sources, and apply your gray matter, you can get a pretty good idea of what’s going on.”

    Great point, handy. Most people are simply content with being spoon-fed, so long of course that what they hear validates their long-held biases and prejudices. They like their comfort.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks Handy, I appreciate your comment. I think that’s the difference between the right and left wing.

    The right hears what they want to hear from one or two sources and then demands an instant solution to the problem.

    The left listens to everyone, takes a while to digest it and then waits a little longer.

    Both have their faults and good points.

    I like both sides-it’s the lunatic fringe that the GOP is stupidly allowing to represent them, that will be their downfall.

    Anyone with a brain knows there are no “Death panels”, that Obama is legally president, (despite Bush’s retarded appointee to the supreme court fucking up his most important duty-the oath of office-and he had to do it twice) and yes kids, not only was Hawaii a state when Obama was born (many don’t even know Hawaii’s a state!!!!), but he was indeed born in it and not Kenya (which a lot of the same idiots believe is a city in Hawaii) as the idiot assholes at the rallies are screaming for Fox’s cameras, while the GOP laughs in glee.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    “Every loyal Republican in both houses of Congress is charged with only one important and sacred duty; to make sure that this president accomplishes little or nothing during this term… Period.”

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    A hell of a way to represent the people.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I’m more concerned with the treasonous jerks who were elected as Democrats but are really republicans

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, if the districts they represent are equally backwards, then they’re Democrats in name only. But the issues we’re facing, as a nation, transcend the political boundaries. Every elected official ought to be thinking about what’s good for the country, the hell with their political affiliation. But no – they go further and incite the public and do their best to promote mob mentality. That’s my idea of treason.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Roger, the election season is clogged with negative ads that no one pays attention to them any more and instead votes for what their party represents, not the candidate.

    This is especially true in local elections such as judges etc.

    there’s an old saying “You take my money, you wear my brand”

    A liberal Republican or a conservative Democrat is not what the majority of their voters thought they were voting for… They were voting for a party.

    most of them are actually independants, and would run as such if it weren’t for independants having little chance or finances of winning.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    I’m glad there are moderate [even moderately conservative] voices within the Democratic Party. There’s no rule book that says if your position falls outside the Ten Commandments of Liberalism, then you’re ‘treasonous.’

    One of the really pernicious things that has happened to the Republicans in recent years is driving the moderates out of their party. There are exactly two Republican moderates in Congress, and they are both women from Maine.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Well that sword slashes both ways look what the GOP did to our newest member from Pennsylvania.

  • Clavos

    Possibly, just possibly, what’s “good for the country” is a matter of opinion, and those legislators ARE doing what their consciences tell them is “good for the country.”

    Thus Jet, when you say the Blue Dogs are “traitorous,” it sounds like you put party loyalty above loyalty to the country.

  • zingzing

    “Possibly, just possibly, what’s “good for the country” is a matter of opinion, and those legislators ARE doing what their consciences tell them is “good for the country.””

    ignorance is not an excuse.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Clavos, what I’m saying quite clearly is with slick ads, and “handlers” no one really knows what a candidate is like or the way he thinks any more.

    What I’m stating quite clearly is that the only way left is now leaving us rapidly-the town hall meeting where a candidate can talk one-on-one with his constituants. That’s all but gone now because of the rude screaming assholes on the lunitic fringe that came NOT to listen, but are determined to distrupt and distract from anyone every getting to know what the man is really about and his personal convictions.

    now argue with that.

    Nowadays the only thing a voter actually is sure of is the candidate’s party affiliation.

    therefore, yes, when that’s all I’ve got left to judge someone with, I’m for straight party line voting.

    anything else is a sham.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I haven’t. But inciting the uninformed public to the kind of behavior that has been evident during the town-hall meetings rather than trying to educate it is playing to the lowest common denominator in making use of the politics of fear. And that’s not in the best interests of the country but strikes one rather as self-serving and putting political ambitions first.

    What should be beyond comprehension is that the division on the healthcare issue reflects (with some minor exceptions) strict political division. If these people had an iota of integrity, one should expect at least some crossover. But the fact that there is almost none is more telling than anything else.

    No kind of issue is so clear cut so as to be so neatly divided along the party lines. It’s less of a reflection on the issue than the debaters.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “She’s trying to make sure the crowd is quiet while the speaker is talking”

    No she isn’t. She’s gesturing upwards. I have been on sets and that’s not how you get people to quiet down. She would either put her finger to her mouth or gesture downward.

    That being said, the crowd doesn’t have to respond so I am not sure what great revelation people think has been uncovered. If you think no other news outlets do this, you are wrong

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    If this doesn’t clarify, nothing will. I voted for Obama because I’m hoping a woman’s right to choose will be defended. I voted for Obama because I wanted us out of the war in Iraq. I voted for him because of the thousands of gays that already serve in the military might have a chance to serve openly and honorable as their black brothers did and do now… and that stem cell research might find a cure for diabetes before I die of it, which is rapidly approaching.

    On the other hand…

    Bush was elected twice because people were convinced that he’d overturn roe vs wade-he didn’t. The voted him in because they thought he’d turn this country into a ultra religious wasteland-he almost did but didn’t succeed. They thought he was another Ronald Reagon, that he was for gun rights and would protect them… and that he was a weakminded puppet that could be controled by his strong-willed ultra conservative vice president.

    The things you vote for-you don’t usually get… Reagan on the $10 bill. No science-only the bible taught in schools, financial matters handled by wall street fat cats who’s only god is profit.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    “Of course the GOP supports the gun lobby-they supply the bullets every time a Democrat opens his mouth and shoots himself in the foot in the process!”

  • Clavos

    Zing:

    “ignorance is not an excuse”

    So those who disagree with you are ignorant.

    You do realize that that is a two-way street, don’t you?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I was hoping for a response from you on 130 & 133 Clav, I do value your opinion…

  • Clavos

    I don’t have a response for you, Jet. Reasons for voting, both as a citizen and as a legislator are (or should be) a function of POV and conscience.

  • zingzing

    clavos: “Zing: “ignorance is not an excuse” So those who disagree with you are ignorant. You do realize that that is a two-way street, don’t you?”

    it was a joke, clavos. i’ll admit that i do think them misguided and strange, but you know, a joke’s a joke, and you have to go a little overboard when making a joke. (and they do seem to foster ignorance in lots of their constituents, or else we wouldn’t have the birthers, the death panels, the healthcare for illegal immigrants, etc, etc, etc.) (and etc, etc, etc.)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Zing, I was going to say if you have to explain the joke… but we’re talking about Clavos, so I won’t ;PbPbPbPbPbPb

  • Clavos

    I’ll finish it for you, Jet.

    If you have to explain the joke, it wasn’t a very good joke.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    If you have to explain the joke then the persion you told it to has no sense of humor.

    geez

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    and sometimes can’t type

  • zingzing

    “If you have to explain the joke, it wasn’t a very good joke.”

    or maybe it was just at your expense, so you just pretend to not get it. it’s a pretty common refrain to such things. it’s kind of like not getting “that’s what she said,” or something.

    and it wasn’t supposed to be a laugh-out-loud joke. just a chuckle for myself.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    zing put it in terms he’ll understand-it was bob hope not milton berle

  • zingzing

    that’s what she said.

  • Clavos

    Yeah, that’s it, zing.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    ew came right up to the net on that one didn’t he?

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Dave, any retired military man knows something of crowd control, and I KNOW that waving hands rapidly in an UPward movement (with UPturned palms) is NOT trying to keep the crowd quiet. THAT, sir, is what football players do during the game to get the crowd to get loud to drown out the other team’s quarterback.

    Glenn, the clip is only a few seconds out of what is clearly a longer sequence of events. I watched it again. It still looks to me like she’s telling them to start shouting as the aftermath to having quieted them down so she can get a soundbite.

    But again, it makes no difference. The point is that there’s nothing odd about trying to optimize the effectiveness of a scene for the camera with the cooperation of the crowd.

    What’s more, the really offensive thing is MM’s limiting of the clip to that few seconds so you have zero idea of what the context is.

    Dave, as I’ve said many times, you’re not stupid. That fact in and of itself severely limits the possible reasons why you would deny the obvious. The possible reasons I now see are (1) you want to ‘win’ at all costs, (2) you really do want to objectively explore other explanations, (3) you want to uphold Fox’s reputation at all costs, or (4) you are making an outrageous comment just to get us to make lots of replies to support BC.

    And I’m now open to considering that you actually ARE stupid, to keep hammering on this particular tactic when I clearly don’t give a rat’s ass.

    Maybe I’ve missed the real reason – but I cannot believe that you really think the girl’s trying to keep the crowd quiet. As I said, you’re not that stupid.

    And again, you’re misrepresenting what I said — as usual. She’s trying to make them loud at the right time and quiet at the right time. She’s directing a scene. So what?

    As I said concerning your ‘blacks are strongly represented at the protests’ comment, you’re embarrassing yourself – and as I said, this is not an insult but some sincere advice to someone for whom I have some respect.

    Well, your constant misrepresenting of what I say is rapidly losing you any respect I had for you.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    clavos: “Yeah, that’s it, zing.”

    i don’t get it.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Sort of like the grossly edited ACORN video isn’t it Dave-what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    And I’m now open to considering that you actually ARE stupid, to keep hammering on this particular tactic when I clearly don’t give a rat’s ass.

    You know, maybe that’s it. Maybe you really don’t give a “rat’s ass”. That would explain quite a bit.

    Well, your constant misrepresenting of what I say is rapidly losing you any respect I had for you.

    My comments are based on what I see in your comments – and I’m not the only one with this opinion, if the comments by the other liberals here are any indication.

    So that begs the question: is it that we’re misrepresenting you, or is it that your comments don’t really represent your true feelings…

    …or maybe you just don’t give a “rat’s ass”.

    How many people have to point something out to you before you think that maybe the problem’s not with you, but with them? But if you really don’t give a “rat’s ass”, then that’s probably not your concern – after all, you are the one claiming that blacks are ‘strongly represented’ at the protests…despite no real evidence to the positive, and a plethora of evidence to the negative.

    Evidence, Dave. Provable fact. Basing one’s worldview on provable fact is a lot easier than making it up as one goes along….

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    THAT’S what she was doing Glenn!!! She was signaling all the blacks to duck down so we couldn’t see them!!!!!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    *Glenn replies in an awe-filled voice*
    Daaaaamn! Why didn’t I see that the first time!

    And they HAD to be doing the same thing in all the photos of all the other tea parties! They were hiding all the blacks just to trick us liberals into thinking that the Republicans were just a party of old white men!

    Niccolo Machiavelli would be humbly proud to see this masterstroke of manipulation of one’s opponents! While we liberals were playing checkers and believing what we saw, we had no idea that the Republicans were not just playing chess – they were playing Spock-level 4D temporally-enhanced-mechanical-bull Texas-Hold-’em-Down chess!

    Ya gotta hand it to them! They really got us on this one!

    (And for Clavos – this is an example of what happens when I’m insincere. It doesn’t work well, and I know it. That’s why I strive always for sincerity.)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Great, now I’ll be picturing Spock riding a mechanical bull the rest of the night…

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    For those who would like to see a longer version of the scene on Media Matters from a different angle, here it is on YouTube. It doesn’t change much of anything, but it does also show Griff whatever his name is the commentator also waving on the crowd. But again, I don’t see what’s wrong with trying to get a good backround shot for the commentary.

    And (why do I have to keep repeating myself) Glenn, do you really not understand the difference between lots and lots of black people (which I never said) and black activists who are outspoken, prominent and welcomed eagerly by the protesters (which is clearly what I was talking about)?

    How many people have to point something out to you before you think that maybe the problem’s not with you, but with them?

    I’m pretty sure that’s not what you meant to say, but the truth is that I don’t see a problem here, merely a difference in perspective. Nothing will convince you that there’s diversity and not racism in this movement, and I can’t force my personal knowledge and experience to mean anything to you when you prefer to listen to propagandists. That’s why I don’t give a rat’s ass, because convincing those who aren’t interested in seeing beyond their closed in little comfort zone is a waste of time anyway.

    Dave

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I’M A FOOL! NO JOKE-Let me explain…

    The truth of the matter (and I became an unwilling and ignorant pawn of it) is, if it hadn’t been for that intentionally placed ad and Sanchez’s reaction to it, America with its short attention span would’ve forgotten about the ridiculous march a week ago and put it down to a bunch of assholes dressed as Death with dumb and preworded signs and stupid costoms.

    Nice chess move on Fox’s part-distract from the main point-which is that Fox News LIED in that ad and tried to imply that they are the only ones that cover everything-but in fact they placed it to get attention to a rally that they themselves promoted! They weren’t mad at CNN-they were pissed they were no longer making money on the story after it faded away so fast and people weren’t tuning in to get the latest and watching sponsor’s commercials.

  • zingzing

    “For those who would like to see a longer version of the scene on Media Matters from a different angle, here it is on YouTube. It doesn’t change much of anything, but it does also show Griff whatever his name is the commentator also waving on the crowd.”

    my god, it’s like fox news has a fucking choir conductor. what next, they hire a fucking choir?

    “But again, I don’t see what’s wrong with trying to get a good backround shot for the commentary.”

    it’s news, dave. supposed to be “real.”

  • zingzing

    “And (why do I have to keep repeating myself) Glenn, do you really not understand the difference between lots and lots of black people (which I never said) and black activists who are outspoken, prominent and welcomed eagerly by the protesters (which is clearly what I was talking about)?”

    well that’s when glenn said that they were tokens, and then you said there was a strong multi-ethnic face to the protesters, which i guess could mean the tokens again, but it’s more likely that that meant the actual protesters, and maybe that’s where we got confused.

    so you’ll admit that you’re all a bunch of old white dudes, right?

    except your couple of black speakers.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    You know how I’m always asking for the facts, the proof, the evidence? Here’s a quote from Heinlein’s Notebooks of Lazarus Long: “What are the facts? Again and again and again — what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history” — what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!”

    When I ask you to show me facts, proof, evidence…Heinlein’s maxim is the standard to which I hold you. I don’t agree with everything he said, but his maxim above is golden.

    Avoid opinion, avoid wishful thinking. You believe the quality of the blacks at the protests ‘strongly represents’ African-Americans – but that is your belief, your opinion. Your belief is not evidence, or proof, or FACT. Get the facts!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    155 Dave,

    (I finally watched the video.)
    DAAAAAAAVE!!!!!!!!

    (whatsamattafahyou dave, you got your anti-reality glasses on again?)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I hope they weren’t from an Elton John auction

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Oh great! Now I’m gonna have a picture of Dave in my head all night wearing rose-colored star-shaped glasses.

    (Hey…..he also looks like he’s dressed in one of those disco outfits the BeeGees used to wear.)

  • zingzing

    someone whip out photoshop

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    dear god what have I done?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Jet…
    Dear god is right…this is all your fault!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    it’s news, dave. supposed to be “real.”

    Zing, that boat sailed when William Randolph Hearst sent Frederic Remington to Cuba in 1898 and said “you furnish the pictures, I’ll furnish the war.”

    Dave

  • zingzing

    don’t bring up yellow journalism as an excuse. especially not in the light of this ad.

  • zingzing

    thank you, cindy. it’s properly skewed.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    well that’s when glenn said that they were tokens, and then you said there was a strong multi-ethnic face to the protesters, which i guess could mean the tokens again, but it’s more likely that that meant the actual protesters, and maybe that’s where we got confused.

    Except that I don’t accept the idea of tokenism as you and Glenn likely believe in it. I think these folks are representative of a large body of people who have yet to get the guts to speak out or come to the realization of where their real interests lie.

    so you’ll admit that you’re all a bunch of old white dudes, right?

    No, this one I really do disagree with. Most of the tea party folks I know are not old, even if the majority are white. They seem to cover a wide range of ages with a lot of young folks. It may be that retired people have more time to spend at rallies or townhalls that get media coverage or that the media prefers to put them on the air, but I certainly wouldn’t characterize the crowds I’ve seen first-hand as dominated by old white guys. Of the heavily involved people I know they tend to be relatively young and more female than male.

    Dave

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I expect Jet is off making one of his own. We should have a contest for the best one.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Avoid opinion, avoid wishful thinking. You believe the quality of the blacks at the protests ‘strongly represents’ African-Americans – but that is your belief, your opinion. Your belief is not evidence, or proof, or FACT. Get the facts!

    The FACT is that the people I linked to in the article are involved in the protest movement. The FACT is that they are african american. The FACT is that they are outspoken and strong representatives of the movement. The FACT is that they are accepted, respected and taken seriously by the rest of those involved.

    Those facts seem quite sufficient.

    Dave

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    No I’m not-I couldn’t make Dave’s head look right on Ahnold’s body so I gave up.

  • zingzing

    “Except that I don’t accept the idea of tokenism as you and Glenn likely believe in it. I think these folks are representative of a large body of people who have yet to get the guts to speak out or come to the realization of where their real interests lie.”

    so the african americans are either too chicken or dumb. great. and tokenism exists. don’t doubt it.

    “They seem to cover a wide range of ages with a lot of young folks. It may be that retired people have more time to spend at rallies or townhalls that get media coverage or that the media prefers to put them on the air, but I certainly wouldn’t characterize the crowds I’ve seen first-hand as dominated by old white guys. Of the heavily involved people I know they tend to be relatively young and more female than male.”

    hicks come in all ages, i’ll agree, but the pictures i’ve seen, from a variety of sources, is probably 80% AARP material (and 50% social[ism] security material) and you can see their blue veins. and i seriously doubt your “more female than male” claim. i haven’t seen that at all in the “heavily involved.” not at all.

    also, “more female than male” is a funny phrase.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Maybe you saw Ann Coulter in the crowd zing?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I wish BC would let us use color on our comments, then we could hold 5 conversations simultaneously and follow along without getting confused as to who is responding to whom?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Mr. Rose just cringed in terror, doc probably too.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I just added some animated stars but they just came out plain.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Jet, Cindy –

    The image of Dave in Elton John glasses…do you know I’ve got tickets to the Elton John/Billy Joel concert in November in Seattle, and you RUINED it for me! The whole show I’m going to have this vision of a waaaaaay-too-serious bald guy singing “Love Lies Bleeding in My Hand”!

    Thanks for nothing!

    (Dave – apologies, but I couldn’t resist)

  • zingzing

    “Maybe you saw Ann Coulter in the crowd zing?”

    they let her out among the general public?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I’d give anything I could go to that concerts. I had tickets in 2004 and was attacked and almost beaten to death a week before it happened.

    I have everything Elton ever recorded.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I had enough trouble with her book ad on my politics page without her being out in public. If she shows up on my gay pride page I’m leaving… or suing Google.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Maybe we should just take a look at the crowds in videos to settle this issue of whether they are all old folks or not.

    Start with the Katrina Pierson video I linked to. It seems pretty typical.

    Look at the crowd behind her and count those obviously over 55 and those obviously under 55. In the initial scene I count 7 obvious oldsters to 10 who are obviously younger, mostly looking under 30.

    Let’s check out another video – the classic I Am the Mob video. Nice and clear because it has closeups on each crown member involved. They sure look like a cross-section of Ameirca, at least as far as age and gender go.

    I also resent the suggestion that just because these protesters are mostly white they are racist and “hicks”. Even Obama doesn’t believe that. He’s been very specific in his statements this week that he does not believe these protesters are motivated by racism.

    Dave

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Um Dave I suspect you forgot to close a link sir…

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    To quote Guilda Radner… never mind

  • Clavos

    Gilda

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “Gilda? Oh, that’s very different…Never mind.” – Jet Litella

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I mis-tpye stuff all teh tmie Clvaos and I’m pruod of it.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Believe it or not that’s an actual language.
    People discoverd that as long as you have the first and last letter in a word right and all the letters are there you can actually read it.

    for instacne tihs is acualty raedlbe ocne you get uesd to it.

    The brain looks at the first and last letters and sort of fills in when you’re in a hurry.

    That’s why we have so much proofreading our own articles smoetmies.

  • zingzing

    dave: “I also resent the suggestion that just because these protesters are mostly white they are racist and “hicks”.”

    i never said they were all racists. i said they were almost all white. (and i said some were racists, but to deny that is pretty difficult.) i did say that you don’t have to be old to be a hick, or something close to that, but that’s true as well. but i only said “hicks” to get you riled up. embrace the hicks, for they are your voters.

    “Even Obama doesn’t believe that.”

    i know. neat, ain’t it?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Now Zing, he’s been used to a president that can’t read a book about a pet goat without moving his lips.

    Give him a chance to catch up to this one.

    That’s a big transition you know!

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    The fact that Dave can with a straight face refer to a 6-week-old disingenuous piece of hackwork [“I Am the Mob”] as a classic — well, this says a lot in itself.

    As if the carefully selected and edited people in the video are representative of anything other than the propagandist’s wishful thinking and/or manipulation.

    That the filmmaker’s other videos are mostly about conflating Jesus and politics may be worth mentioning as well, and may help explain the aw-shucks sunny grins that fill the piece to the point of nausea.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Reminds me of my dyslexic moment, ever have one Jet? I saw a road sign that said, ‘Screwy Curve Ahead’ and I thought, “What the hell kind of road signs are they making?” So, I looked again and it said, ‘Survey Crew Ahead’. Weird

    I may as well put this here or Dave will never see it. Some people are fools and some are just dancin’ fools: Disco Dave.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Jet –

    That is pretty cool! It’s amazing what the brain can do…sorta reminds me of two days ago listening to my brother tell me how he could feel himself wiggling his big toe…even though his lower leg had been amputated two days prior. I’d heard of that before, but it’s different when it’s someone you love.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Cindy – please stop – you’re NOT making the upcoming concert any easier….

    ;P

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Glenn,

    Ouch. :-(

  • zingzing

    **joy**

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I know his pain Glenn, when my ankle was destroyed and they reconstructed it, there was all kinds of nerve damage and when they finished it was like a stereo that’d been wired wrong. I’d wiggle my toe and the bottom of my foot moved, I’d wake up feeling like someone had just driven a nail through my big toe and it wouldn’t stop hurting until I actually reached down and touched it.

    I had to retrain my brain to re-recognize the scrambled signals it was getting from that limb or I’d have never walked again.

    Your brother grew up with it being there, but don’t let him lose that. they’re actually teaching the brain now to move chest muscles by thinking of moving a part of a missing limb and by attaching electrodes and sensors to them, they actually move very precisely an artificial limb that’s programed to recognize the signals and act accordingly.

    I heard of one guy that got so good at it that he could write his name with an artificial lower arm and right hand.

    move your fingers, you can actually feel the nerves moving at your elbow-that’s why he feels it the same goes for your leg.

    I nearly lost my left leg from the knee down.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

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  • zingzing

    dave: “Let’s check out another video – the classic I Am the Mob video.”

    i’m not sure if that’s the video you wanted. it’s certainly people milling about in some city, with someone bitching about rev. wright and how obama hates white people or something. that’s not a video you want to show off, particularly. (it also is nothing like what you describe…)

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I’ve got an appointment tomorrow morn g’nite all. :)

  • zingzing

    ok, so i watched the “i am the mob” video. wwwhhhiiiitttteeee. but kinda funny. in tuscon, az. hmm…. arizona… retire-ment.

    anyway, yes, there was a nice cross-section on display in this edited video. which is kinda what he was going for, obviously. i’m not sure that’s the reality of the situation.

    “i have a 1 year old grandson and when he’s my age, i want him to live in a world just like this one.” come on. really? you don’t like it now, and you want your grandson to live like it was 60 years ago? that’s what’s wrong with conservatives.

    no future, no future.

    anyway, they seemed like nice people. i’m sure they have their own best interests at heart, although i’m equally sure they don’t know what’s in the bill. “save grandma,” my ass.

  • Questionability-ness

    So are outbursts during presidential speeches free speech or rude behavior? Either way Dem’s need to know.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Hmmmm, Let’s see, odd name with no URL, remark having to do with something the right-wing would be proud of, followed by a slogan that usually is a thinly veiled putdown of democrats…
    Hmmmmmmm.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    There goes your ordinary, rank and file protester.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Actually it might me someone I know and ignore… but I’m not sure.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Obviously, he’s your “follower.”

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    or zing’s.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Sorry Roger I’m not ignoring you, I’ve got a ton of paperwork to assemble to go to an appointment to renew my foodstamps-that’s how far things have fallen.

    Because of my heart operation at my young age I fell into the medicare “gap” where your bills get up to a certain level and they stop paying, then start up again later $50,000 later.

    All this fucking paperwork to do what?

    Save $16 in food stamps because they claim I make too much between Workman’s comp and Social Security disability.

    I’m not ignoring you, just getting more and more enraged…

    and depressed.

    Medicaid was supposed to cover my Medicare deductible of $125 a month but since I’m right in the income margin, when they help and I don’t have to pay it, my income goes above their limit and they stop. When they stop and I have to start paying again my income falls within their peramiters and they start paying it, then my income goes back up $125 and I’m over the limit so they stop.

    My ex-employer’s private insurance keeps hauling me into court to try to stop paying me.

    I was robbed and almost beaten to death in 2004 and was so badly hurt, the final operation to fix all the damage was only two months ago.

    In the meantime they keep appealing the case-7-8 times this year-every time they have lost, and they use it as an excuse to screw with my checks to the point that I’m actually paying out more in bank fees for bounced electronic checks because they didn’t deposit an amount that they expected to win an appeal for.

    it sucks to be me today.

    Suprised I’m being treated for PTSD and severe depression at Ohio State?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Maintain your cool, Jet. Talk to you later.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Jet I loved you banner. I noticed someone lurking in a corner. Nice touch.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks Cindy, I always appreciate a little praise… that’s me in the corner by the way

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Roger, I was referring to JOM in 203

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Mr. Nalle, I have sort of a technical question-the boxing gloves on your nice logo (which I like a lot by the way) but…

    Shouldn’t Fox be red and CNN be blue?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    211 I thought it was you. I like the ethereal quality.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    By the way Cindy, I like what you did with Dave Nalle on your blog… dear god!

  • Clavos

    @#213:

    I do the promos, Jet.

    It’s a stock image.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Granted Clavos, but still….

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Cindy –

    Sorry about the ‘stop that’ – I meant it to be funny (I was still laughing at the mental image)…but I guess it didn’t look that way. Again, sorry.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    It was very funny Glenn. :-)

    The other response was regarding your brother.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I was at a loss for words.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    WHAT??????????? “It’s the big one ‘lizabeth! I’m comin’ for ya honey!”

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Here’s an interesting tidbit that just came up, not only did Fox refuse to air President Obama’s health care speech to Congress, last week Fox News also refused to air a daytime speech by the President on health care.

    Both speeches were covered by MSNBC and CNN, so when Fox says that they are the only place where “you won’t see Barack Obama” as they claimed recently, they were just polishing their “fair and balanced” reputation.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Jet,

    I read your article, and I’m glad to see you posting back in the politics section. But come on. It’s news that the American media lie? It’s a lie to call the clowns on CNN, MSNBC, Faux News or CBS newsmen anymore! It would be nice if you could turn the TV and get news. You can’t. Not anymore. It is not for nothing that it is called the boob-tube. And from what I’ve been seeing on American TV lately, it’s also the T&A (thighs and ass) tube – just like in Europe and Israel.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I was lonely

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I must’ve missed a memo-I thought it was tits and ass???

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Jet –

    I appreciate the advice about my brother – that can’t be an easy thing. I will pass it on to him – it should help.

    Again, thanks.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    It was my pleasure to help.

  • zingzing

    thighs aren’t that naughty, are they? and actually, american tv is supposedly in a golden age right now, with shows like breaking bad, the wire, madmen, 30 rock, etc, etc, etc. but most of those are on cable, not network, tv. i haven’t seen most of these supposedly great shows, because i don’t own a tv, but from what i have seen, it’s fairly true. the wire is a magnificent show.

    so it’s not all tits and ass, and ruvy goes a little overboard with the you can’t get any news on tv thing. there are legitimate sources for news on the television, but probably none that he agrees with 100% for some reason or another (probably because they accurately report the news, while ruvy sees the world through something none-too-closely related to reality).

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    And then there’s True Blood

  • zingzing

    well, that show’s just awful.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    For someone who don’t own one of those there television machines how would you know?

  • zingzing

    i went to go visit a friend of mine and his boyfriend shushed me as i came in the door because it was on. i had to suffer through about half an episode. it wasn’t that sexy, there wasn’t any blood and the whole thing played like a soap with press-on fangs. even the boyfriend admitted it was a terrible episode, but i couldn’t see how it could get any better.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    You obviously didn’t see didn’t see Ryan Kwanten as Jason Stackhouse or you’d be slobbering all over yourself.

  • zingzing

    well, if the opportunity presents itself, i’ll let you know. dunno if i’ll slobber, but i’ll keep a towel nearby. hrm. that sounds bad. sooo bad…

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    google his image-you’ll see

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    I think True Blood is brilliant. It’s a satirical allegorical comedy/soap opera. And there is usually lotsa blood.

    It reminds me of Carrie, another conflation of fun junky pop used for scares and laughs and religious satire.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Well handy, according to zing there’s no accounting for taste-yours or mine.

  • zingzing

    i can’t quite tell if you’re serious, but i usually love that sort of thing… especially if it’s hilarious as well as subversive.

    jet, i looked at the picture. he’s a good-looking man, that’s for sure. but i didn’t drool. i might have been a bit jealous.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Same writer as Six Feet Under and American Beauty. And he does have an eye for casting pretty people, especially guys.

    And yes I was serious. It’s a great use of way-out material to mock the real world. And the theme song is just fantastic: a growling country rocker called “I Wanna Do Bad Things with You.”

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I’ll come back to this laster Obama’s going to be on Letterman in a few minutes.

    Jason Stackhouse with that vacu-sealed skin and that blond hair

    whimper

  • zingzing

    handy: “And yes I was serious. It’s a great use of way-out material to mock the real world.”

    huh. well. when it comes out on dvd, maybe i’ll give it the old download try. or give it to somebody for christmas. or something.

    jet: “Jason Stackhouse with that vacu-sealed skin and that blond hair. whimper”

    oh lawdy.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    zing’s right. True Blood is terrible, but people love trash. It was so mind-numbingly dumb I couldn’t make it out of the first scene of the third episode when the vampires attacked Sookie.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    IT’S FOX’S FAULT… I don’t know I typed that, it just came out…. sorry

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Look all through nature people, Tropical fish, blue jays-cardinals the males are pretty the women are plain-it’s the nature of things except humans.

    When did all that change. Look at our founding fathers of this great nation the way they dressed-they’d all be thrown in jail as bad drag queens with their ruffles and powdered wigs.

    It used to be the natural order of things that the male of the species is prettier-look at a male vs female peacock!

    Men used to be fancier and hot and women were plain.

    Did disco kill it was that it? guys in the 60s and 70s wore short shorts-took better care of their long hair than their girlfriends, and wor cut-offs that would make a girl in hot-pants blush. Now everything’s all baggy and…. yuck.

    Shorts were shorts not down past your knees. You see old TV shows when basketball players had their uniforms painted on before each game.

    What happened and why?

    I blame it on John Travolta and the ridiculous disco suit.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I dunno, Jet. It seems to me that up until recently, fashion for both men and women went in cycles.

    One minute everyone’s dolled up like a rock festival featuring Divine, the Bay City Rollers, Lady Gaga and KISS (the High Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Regency period), the next they’re all kitted out for the funeral of the Mass Suicide at the Depressed Boring People’s World Fair (the Puritans, the 1940s).

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Discounting humans would say it’s true in the animal/fish world that the males are prettier?

    The Lion, the Blue Jay, peacock etc…

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Indeed, Jet.

    Less so with most mammals (deer excepted), for whom size matters more; but it is true of many fish and almost all birds.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    It’s still the case, Jet. According to the classical (ancient Greece and on) concept of beauty, the male was a finer specimen. In fact, that’s Camille Paglia’s Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson main theme, and it’s a good read.

    I suspect Romanticism had tilted the scale in favor of women, and of course the modern marketing industry.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Maybe it was because in the 80s the country was taken over by ugly men who didn’t look good in short shorts?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Well-well-well…Fox News has apologized after a video was posted on TheHuffingtonReport showing one of its producers acting as a cheerleader during last weekend’s anti-Obama protest in Washington. The producer, identified as Heiki Noonan, was apparently attempting to rouse the crowd behind Fox news reporter Griff Jenkins as he delivered a “stand up” commentary. Bryan Boughton, Fox News Channel Washington Bureau Chief. told the Huffington Post, “The employee is a young, relatively inexperienced associate producer who realizes she made a mistake and has been disciplined,”

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Well Dave-still say she wasn’t rabble rousing?

  • zingzing

    oooohh.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Good show, Jeff.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    (Talking to the other Jeff. Darn me!)

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    White House communications director Anita Dunn told TIME that Fox News is “opinion journalism masquerading as news,” and went on CNN’s “Reliable Sources” earlier this week to talk more about the White House’s view of the cable news network.

    “The reality of it is that FOX News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party,” Dunn said. “And it’s not ideological. Obviously, there are many commentators who have conservative, liberal, centrist, and everybody understands that. But I think what is fair to say about FOX and certainly the way we view it is that it really is more a wing of the Republican Party.”

    “It really is not a news network at this point,” Dunn said, while taking care to note that the White House views Fox News Channel’s White House correspondent Major Garrett “as a very good correspondent.”

  • Dan

    It would have been nice if Jet would have included the Fox ad so we could see for ourselves if Sanchez was on to something or just oozing his typical slanderous sludge.

    My guess is Sanchez is simply counting on the simple mindedness of his audience to be incapable of making the distinction between not reporting on the event at all, and the more obvious and probable interpretation, that the other news organizations did not give the story the fair coverage and equal treatment that they would in their coverage of stories that would support their fanatical liberal viewpoints.

    Part of the process of turning conservative, is that you get so tired of having your intelligence insulted that you finally tune in to Fox news. From there, you begin to see what non-ideological news looks like.

    Once you realize you’ve been herded, both subtly and overtly, you might then tune in to a truly conservative radio show like Rush Limbaugh, who’s daily three hours is almost entirely devoted to the precise exposure of deceit, incident by incident, of these hopelessly compromised news gathering organizations.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    If you’d read the entire article (which I doubt) and watched it, you’d have seen for your self [personal attack deleted].

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh Oh Dan says it’s a lie, so it must be, even with the evidence right in front of his face.

    Typical right-wing tactics… I bet you scream/screech at town meetings a lot don’t you?

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    G-Gee Dan, couldn’t answer 257? Kinda like Fox news huh? Lie and then run away?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    For the second time in a week, Fox News has been caught using old video to give the false impression of larger-than-actual turnout at appearances of politicos they supported. Sufficiently embarrassed at having been caught, Fox executives are promising “serious disciplinary action” for those responsible.

    While the incidents add fuel to the fire that Fox is a Republican shill outlet rather than real news.