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There’s a plum tree just outside the window of the kitchen. Every year it blooms for about two weeks, the bright pink blossoms filling the tree, adding a nice bit of color to our back yard. When we first moved here eight years ago, the plum tree budded in early February, and I remember thinking to myself that this seemed a little early compared to where I grew up in Mississippi. For the next several years the plum tree budded in January. This winter, however, the plum tree began sprouting buds in the third week of December.

A couple of days ago my teenage son and I were talking about nature, and he told me how ‘boring’ the Mississippi Delta was when compared to Puget Sound. I told him that each kind of land has its own language of sorts, and reminded him of the sounds of the doves, the cicadas, and the crickets in the Delta. I didn’t want to bore him, so I didn’t continue the description I had in mind which included watching the dark thunderclouds rumbling through on a hot summer afternoon, the near-constant brisk breeze of March that announces the welcome arrival of spring weather, the swarms of dragonflies hovering, swooping, crazily swerving to catch the hated mosquitoes that have always plagued the Delta since the days before it was drained, when it was just one vast swamp.

Yes, every distinct region of land has its own language (and old sailors will say the same of the seas around the world)…and as with the languages of humankind, the languages of the land are changing.

Last month Dallas got blanketed with snow…and then a great snowstorm covered almost entire northern European continent. There was an incredible satellite picture of the entire British Isles covered in the stuff. The conservative pundits and climate-change deniers made a great to-do about the wintry blast — after all, if ‘global warming’ was true, how could there be record-breaking cold weather?

Not really — it’s not that simple. Read this summary of research published by the National Academy of Sciences back in 2007:

There is some speculation that global warming could, via a shutdown or slowdown of the thermohaline circulation, trigger localized cooling in the North Atlantic and lead to cooling, or lesser warming, in that region. This would affect in particular areas like Scandinavia and Britain that are warmed by the North Atlantic drift. The chances of this near-term collapse of the circulation are unclear; there is some evidence for the short-term stability of the Gulf Stream and possible weakening of the North Atlantic drift. However, the degree of weakening, and whether it will be sufficient to shut down the circulation, is under debate. As yet, no cooling has been found in northern Europe or nearby seas.

Do you see the bolded sentences? The scientists knew what could happen and said so… and pay particular attention to the last sentence, because it looks like that cooling has been found. So is this proof of global warming?

Not really. As I said above, it’s not that simple. Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado at Boulder, it’s something called the Arctic Oscillation, described thusly:

In more scientific terms, the Arctic Oscillation refers to shifts in atmospheric pressure over the Arctic and the middle latitudes of the earth. In its positive phase, atmospheric pressure decreases over the Arctic and increases over the mid-latitudes. In the Arctic Oscillation's negative phase, it's just the reverse. Pressures are relatively high over the Arctic and relatively low over the mid-latitudes.  In December, the Arctic Oscillation went into extreme negative mode — more negative than it's been since at least 1950. Serreze says that has affected weather all over the Northern Hemisphere.  "At the very same time that we've seen these areas in the middle latitudes with sub-zero temperatures and big snow storms, the Arctic has been much, much warmer than normal." Ten to fifteen degrees warmer in some places.

So does this mean that now we don’t really have to worry about global warming? Again, not really — it’s not that simple. In the same article, Mr. Serreze points out that the extent of Arctic sea ice is already a million square kilometers below normal. And those who pay attention to news outside the U.S. may have noticed that for a second year in a row, dozens of trains have been cancelled in Melbourne, Australia, due to the heat, and in the Southern hemisphere.

About Glenn Contrarian

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  • pablo

    Was I screaming Ruvy? I think not.

  • pablo

    Oh and Bob Lloyd and Glenn, if you don’t think that your man made carbon dioxide global warming scheme is not sinking and fast, just take a look at some of the comments on the Times article referenced above. This is not a “denier” hehehe site, but a MSM site. Also if you were to take the time to look at other MSM news reports about the same subject matter, you will also find that the commenters are against your point of view currently to the tune of about 90%. Have fun with your sinking ship boys, I sure am :)

  • Ruvy

    Paul, you are the farthest thing from a “jumped up crazy” screaming on this site. A tad vindictive, a tad unforgiving, perhaps – but not a jumped up crazy at all.

  • pablo

    Ruvy,

    I can be very forgiving, but that is when I get an apology. Thus far on this site for the past 2 years that has not happened. As I recall I have issued several of them.

    Vindictive? Sure why not? I am not the type to spread the other cheek, and when attacked with ridicule, scorn or sarcasm I respond in kind.

    Should at anytime anyone of the writers or commenters on this site choose to engage me in a political debate politely, and with a minimum of respect I will respond in kind. I learned as a kid Ruvy to never throw the first punch, and I carry that philosophy here, that beings said, when a punch is thrown I can be sarcastic, caustic, and vindictive.

  • pablo

    Ruvy,

    I have just come across a new phrase in a comment on another site that I am going to start using to people such as Glenn that love to use the derogatory term “denier” or “climate change denier”, both of which are not only repugnant, but a very poor use of the english language.

    WARMER MONGER! Oh yeah I love it!

  • pablo

    I have been accused on this site by numerous individuals of being paranoid, having on a tin foil hat, and being delusional concerning my beliefs concerning political conspiracies and such. I on the other hand view numerous people on this site that don’t share my view as being extremely naive.

    I just want to illustrate a case in point as to one of the reasons why I believe as I do. I was just on the Washington Post’s website perousing a global warming article when I saw a subheading for a Climate Change section. I clicked it and I include the link here below. Right in big bold headlines, the first thing one notices is the headline:

    A NEW WORLD ORDER

    Now it wasnt me that made this site. This is THEIR terminology not mine. Just as if you go to the news section on google and type in the phrase in quotes “New World Order” you will find literally thousands of news articles around the world using this exact terminology. Now we have folks such as Clavy who will tell you that the new world order that they are referring to is not the new world order that I am referring to! Obviously Clavos is full of it, the phrase and its meaning speaks for itself. As I am a coinspiracist and one of the things that folks like me do is notice coincidences, because in this game more often than not coincidences aside for the mathematical odds, are very often related to just this sort of thing. George Bush the elder on September 11, 1991 used this exact phrase of the new world order in a keynote speech.

    Gary Hart used it also within a week after 9/11 and then had the audacity to actually deny ever having said it when questioned about it 9 years later. However Mr. Hart can easily be googled and seen both using the phrase right after 9/11 and then denying having said it recently.

    There is a New World Order coming folks whether you want to believe it or not. It is not an order based on the sovereignty of the individual, or of her/his unalienable rigthts. It is a New World Order based on the rule of the elite, undemocratic in nature, feudalistic in action, unjust in nature, and horrific.

    Here is the link, and as you can see the MSM is pushing this phrase and has been for some time now, with particular reference to the Washington Post, one of the biggest purveyors of this New World Order.

    Washington Post’s Climate Section

    Sigh, I know I know I am the paranoid one, what are you?

  • pablo

    Oh yeah and Osama Bin Laden just came out with a new tape! In it he thanked the xmas bomber too. Funny thing about Osama, for all his connections, and his millions he just can’t seem to come up with a video cam. I know this comment will go over the heads of those of you that still believe in Santa Claus. For those of us in the know, he is the Boogeyman, just as carbon dioxide is the new Chicken Little. Meant for several things. To scare you, to fool you, to fleece you, to treat you like a child so that big brother can protect you with his Homeland Security, when in truth this department along with its military equivalent NorthCom was created to kill freedom and freedom lovers in this country. Unfortunately that is just too great a leap for many of you on this site to grasp.

    All the while your attention is diverted to these frauds, the real fleecing is taking place right under your very noses. As I recall Bloomberg’s latest assessment of this theft is to the tune of well over 20,000,000,000,000 dollars. For those of you that cannot count that is twenty thousand billion dollars. But hey don’t worry about it Obama will bring reform to banking soon LOL.

    Between Obama and Osama your gettin screwed folks. Ain’t it time to awaken from your slumber, or would you prefer to be penniless, homeless, or incarcerated first? Wake up and smell the napalm.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger #30 -

    Thanks – I must say I appreciate the literary compliment more than anything supporting my argument. It’s very encouraging.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Pablo – four things:

    First, I apologize – it’s mostly conservatives who are climate-change deniers (or ‘questioners’) and I lumped you in with them. That’s what I get for assuming.

    Second:
    Facts are facts, and supposition and theory and beliefs are not facts, or probable facts.

    Gravity’s a theory. So’s evolution. The fact that we physically observe them every day doesn’t make them any more or less of a theory…and the fact that these are theories doesn’t make them any less factual.

    Third:

    Tell me which path is better to follow: if you’re right and the vast majority of the climatologists are wrong, yet we still follow ALL their recommendations and we spend tens of billions of taxpayer dollars to support green tech and whatever, what exactly is the harm? In my opinion, in the big picture, not much.

    Conversely, if you’re wrong and the vast majority of the climatologists in the world are right…yet we do NOTHING, what is the harm? Wars over water, wars over living space, a Europe with weather like Alaska, and far worse hurricane seasons.

    This question is sorta like Pascal’s Wager…but it has real-world implications, Pablo.

    Fourth:

    Why is the plum tree outside my window budding in the third week of December?

  • pablo

    That’s all you really have to say on this issue Glenn, particularly with reference to my above posts? Are you frigging serious?

    ps. Apology accepted, the first one that I have ever received from anyone on this site.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Pablo -

    When it comes to apologies, I’ve apologized several times on BC – most often to Dave and to Clavos – and I strongly feel that those who refuse to apologize are simply insecure. I’m not trying to suck up to anyone – it’s just that I never, ever lose.

    And here’s why I say that. I’m not afraid to be wrong – I’m only afraid of remaining wrong when someone shows me that I’m wrong. If I ‘win’ an argument, I win. If I ‘lose’ an argument, I still win because I’ve gained knowledge that I didn’t have beforehand.

    Not only that, but if I’ve said or done something wrong, I believe it is dishonorable not to own up to it – so I must admit that my apology has two purposes: first, to right a wrong done to you, and second, to try to maintain what I see as my own sense of honor.

    And when someone refuses to apologize, I really do pity them because I know that the reason lies within their own insecurity.

    Also, please don’t take all this as some kind of ‘holier-than-thou’ pontificating – it’s not. It’s just my personal viewpoint.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    What’s obvious even after a cursory look at Pablo’s WaPo link is that a new world order is not at all the same thing as the New World Order.

    There was a new world order after the fall of the Roman Empire, after the end of feudalism, after Columbus, after the rise of the British Empire, after both World Wars, after the collapse of communism… need I go on?

    The world order is constantly changing, the phrase has been in popular use at least since the Wilson presidency, and such changes are consistent in that they always end up being based on the rule of the elite.

    And I’m just wondering, if we accept Pablo’s proposition that Copenhagen was supposed to set the stage for a global economic scam using climate change as an excuse, why it was such a colossal fuck-up.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    BTW, I think the comments, if not the article itself, have amply demonstrated which section it was appropriate to publish in.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Good distinction, Dreadful, the NWO is always being presented in apocalyptic terms, as though it signified the end of history.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    My philosophical (general) objection to Pablo’s view of history is that it’s simplistic. It amounts to individual determinism. No question people plot and conspire, and sometimes parts of those plans are brought into fruition. But one cannot possibly account for all of history in those terms alone. At best, it’s only a partial explanation.

    What it ignores are the unintended effects, or what some call an “invisible hand” type of explanations, whereby history appears to have a mind all its own and proceed regardless, even against the best planned or perfectly conceived human designs.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Pablo -

    When it comes to your question as to whether that’s ‘all I have to say’, I think we’re dealing in different paradigms here – because I am loath to think in terms of grand conspiracies.

    If there’s one thing I learned in military law enforcement, it’s that when there’s more than one or two people involved in a plot or conspiracy, the chances of keeping that conspiracy secret drop precipitously. Yes, there have been grand conspiracies in the past, but never, never, EVER has there been one that involved scientists and government functionaries from forty-odd different countries. In a world that is saturated in real-time electronic media, such is flatly impossible – and that’s a word I very rarely use.

    There is NO grand conspiracy. That particular line of thought is a non-starter, Pablo.

    Let me address the Himalayan glaciers for a moment. What happened? the forecast was based not on a scientific study but on an interview with an Indian scientist in the New Scientist magazine. The scientist’s forecast was then incorporated into the IPCC’s comprehensive 2007 report.

    The people who make up the IPCC are HUMAN, Pablo, and humans screw up every once in a while. The fact that they screwed up does NOT in any way whatsoever indicate some kind of conspiracy. Furthermore, it does NOT indicate that the Himalayan glaciers are NOT melting, as this article clearly points out.

    Now, so you can get a better picture of what’s going on, read this article that contains pictures of just how far the glaciers have retreated in the past few decades…and these pictures are precisely in line with the glacial retreat that I see on Mount Rainier from my front lawn, and compare it to pictures from forty, fifty years ago. It’s not just pictures on a website, Pablo – it’s what I can see with my own eyes!

    So how do you think all these glaciers from ALL OVER THE WORLD (with a very few exceptions) are retreating so much? D’ya think the evil IPCC has armies of serfs with blowdryers out there melting the glaciers?

    Of course you don’t. Sorry for the sarcasm, but when it’s so obvious, it’s hard to keep my temper in check.

    Pablo, you need to get off the ‘grand conspiracy’ schtick…because not only is it impossible on the scale you seem to believe, but buying into such a concept reflects poorly upon you.

  • pablo

    Dread 62

    I am just curious. What New World Order do you think that Bush Sr. was referring to on 9.11.91?
    I am all ears.
    Regarding Copenhagen, I never said that they had their plans in the bag, otherwise it would already be a done deal. It is a plan, not an outright accomplishment. There are numerous individuals, groups as well as countries that are resisting this New World Order, as well as the implementation of a global carbon trading derivatives scheme (con).

    Roger

    History and political history are two different things. Since the dawn of time up to and including today man has been preying on man. There is nothing new under the sun in that. There has always been a ruling aristocracy, whether of church or state. These elites have not always been aligned that is true. However when it is in their interests, which more often than not it is they conspire to remain predators, and oppress the masses. That is just pain fact Roger.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    But Pablo, I am not disputing that fact, the fact of the ruling elite. Dreadful himself, see comment # 62, says:

    “The world order is constantly changing, the phrase has been in popular use at least since the Wilson presidency, and such changes are consistent in that they always end up being based on the rule of the elite.”

    Indeed, the rule of the elite is at the essence of any kind of rule, especially political rule or power.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I am just curious. What New World Order do you think that Bush Sr. was referring to on 9.11.91?

    You mean 1990 (but I’m splitting hairs), as the Iron Curtain was disintegrating and just after a groundbreaking summit in which the presidents of the USA and the USSR agreed to tackle Saddam Hussein together.

    Perhaps, then, he was referring to “an era in which the nations of the world, East and West, North and South, can prosper and live in harmony [...] A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak.”

    …Oh well.

  • pablo

    Here is an example in real time of the type of bullshit being foisted onto the world regarding the boogeyman.

    The latest to come down the AP and Reuters pike is that Osama has released a new tape. Now when the headlines were first released there was a scintilla of a disclaimer, and I mean a scintilla as to having to do with the authenticity of the tape.

    I just opened up google news us section, and there in plain black and white reads the headlines:

    Bin Laden takes responsibility for Christmas Day airline bombing attempt—Los Angeles Times

    It is so typical of these so called news gathering organizations that are nothing more than propaganda pieces for the government. No attempt by them (news gathering insitutions) to conduct any sort of verification procedure, such as voice print analysis or anything else.

    Now next to the LA Times article in the google news section is a photo of an aged computer generated photo of a guy who is supposedly Osama, that even the dullest person could tell in no way in a hundred thousand years could it be Osama.

    Fortunately for me I get some of my news from Alex Jones’s infowars.com and they just happened to have done an excellent article in the past few days on this computer generated aged photo of Osama showing clearly who the person was that they age generated the photo of. Of course that does not stop the dishonest lying press from using the photo anyways. Below is the url of the Osama phony aged photo.

    I only say this to point out what a complete fucking hoax the MSM is, and that only a complete idiot would buy into any of their BS, particularly when they just say something of great news import such as Bin laden has released another tape as fact.

    Spanish Politician Threatens to Sue FBI Over Bin Laden Makeover

    And a link for you too Glenn. Godfrey Bloom addressing the European Parliament on the Climate Change Scam.

    Once Again, Godfrey Bloom Exposes the Climate Change Scam

    Oh and Glenn as to your comment:

    “Pablo, you need to get off the ‘grand conspiracy’ schtick…because not only is it impossible on the scale you seem to believe, but buying into such a concept reflects poorly upon you”

    I could give a shit if you think my thoughts and opinions regarding conspiracies reflect poorly on me buddy. Thanks for lookin out for me though ;). You’re obviously such a swell guy to me looking out for me like that Glenn.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Pablo, I saw that story about the Spanish politician’s photo being passed off as bin Laden several days ago on the BBC. Evidently they were fully aware of the FBI’s balls-up; perhaps the LA Times reporter and his editor were not.

  • pablo
  • pablo

    Dread 71

    Apparently Reuters who is the one still using the pic on the google video site is not aware either! LOL. You know Reuters the ones that actually report on the news! And as usual Dread you miss my point, but hey nothing new about that.

  • pablo

    An AP story on Yahoo carrying the following headline

    “Bin Laden claims airline bomb attempt on Christmas”

    The first pargagraph of the article:

    “CAIRO – Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility for the failed attempt to bomb a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas in a new audio message released Sunday threatening more attacks on the United States.”

    Then several paragraphs later a scintilla of a disclaimer:

    “There was no way to verify the voice on the audio message was actually bin Laden, but it resembled previous recordings attributed to him”

    This is what I am talking about. If these news organizations had even a shred of respectability they would never use either a headline like that nor an opening paragraph categorically stating something as fact that is not necessarily fact.

    It kind of reminds me of the way that Glenn will present something as a fact about global warming when it is conjecture at best. It is dishonest.

  • pablo

    Not apparently Reuters but Reuters, here is a direct link in real time from Reuters itself.

    Bin Laden claims U.S. plane attempt, vows more attacks

    I guess Reuters is not following the news as they are too busy being propaganda pieces for their masters. I know Dread its just a mistake or an oversight. Sure it is. Reuters IS the news.

  • pablo

    Also in the fraudulent Reuters story pic included, they also present it as a fact that the tape is from Osama, with this cute little disclaimer in the middle:

    “White House adviser David Axelrod said he could not confirm the authenticity of the tape, which was broadcast by Al Jazeera television before international meetings this week on how to deal with militancy in Afghanistan and Yemen.”

    Oh wow, since Axelrod cannot confirm the authenticity, hey its fact! Sure it is Reuters.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    The Reuters story makes no mention of the ‘photo’, so I’m not sure why they ran them together.

    And I do agree with you that the person in the tape is only slightly more likely to actually be bin Laden that the Detroit Lions are to win next year’s Superbowl.

    Some of the bullshit he’s quoted as saying read like something an extremely bad Hollywood screenwriter might come up with.

  • http://etierphotography.blogspot.com/ FCEtier

    Hmmmmm…..sounds like the peer review process didn’t work in the IPCC case either: “Dr Lal said: ‘We knew the WWF report with the 2035 date was “grey literature” [material not published in a peer-reviewed journal]. But it was never picked up by any of the authors in our working group, nor by any of the more than 500 external reviewers, by the governments to which it was sent, or by the final IPCC review editors.”

  • Ruvy

    Glenn,

    Note that all this “conspiracy” stuff is really aimed at finding what the mass media is obviously trying to hide – the truth. Why should the mass media want to hid the truth? Because the stockholders who OWN them will not profit from truth, they will profit from convenient lies.

    That, sir, is the “inconvenient truth”, to coin a phrase.

    You see in comment #78 that the IPCC was trying to kasher a pig (make real data out of non-peer-reviewed data). You see in previous comments that Reuters, the BBC and other “news” services were running a story about what is in reality an “alleged” tape from Osama bin-Ladin – while calling it real.

    Now it may be that this tape by “Osama bin-Ladin” is real – but no evidence to adduce that claim is submitted. Which is the point made by Paul here.

    Are you getting the picture? It is not that the conspiracies are so secret – if they were that secret, Paul and others would have been floating in Puget Sound or the East River or some other convenient dumping ground for “inconvenient truthsters” – like a cornfield in the middle of Iowa. As you can see, Paul, Barry Chamish and others are very much alive.

    The “conspiracies” are not secret. They are “hidden in plain sight”. And they are not conspiracies, either. They are plans made by powerful organizations that have tried to keep their secrecy but have failed to, and they are being plugged with the intent of shoving some unpleasant program or theft down your throat. Your interest, my interest, the interest of decent people, is being threatened by powerful organizations which work together and have lots and lots of influence – but do not always succeed.

    Let’s look at the Middle East just briefly. The Council of Foreign Relations, a think tank representing the interests of the Rockefellers, Rothchilds and successors in interests to the Morgan family, among other powerful families in the United States, released a report years ago saying it would be better for Israel to be forced to withdraw to the 1966 borders.

    And former head of the Council of Foreign Relations, George Mitchell, Obama’s “special envoy” is hustling a plan to do just that! My, my, what a coincidence!!

    The truth is usually something that the big shots with the money do not want us to know. But they do not always succeed.

  • pablo

    Excellent post Ruvy.

  • STM

    Glenn, I have a mature jacaranda in my backyard that’s never flowered in the three years I’ve owned the house.

    This summer it did … just like it’s supposed to, beautiful blue flowers everywhere lighting up my backyard.

    I don’t know what that says. Perhaps it says that the conditions were perfect this summer for the tree to flower, just like they have for a million summers before.

    They were everywhere in Australia when I was a kid. They still are.

    Now there’s an extra splash of colour if you peer up my driveway garden.

    But I remain a sceptic on man-made climate change.

    Not saying it’s not true, just that I’m sceptical.

  • Mark

    It has been reported to me via first hand observation that the permafrost is melting in many locations throughout Alaska; the gases released in this process should make discussion of agw and a new world order passe.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    STM -

    I don’t know how the seasons work down there…but if I remember correctly, your winters aren’t quite so bad. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but IIRC you have no animals that hibernate through the winter – there’s no need for them to do so.

    Here in fall – our September through November – leaves fall as the trees cut off the flow of sap to and from those leaves, thus preparing for the bitter cold to come; then they begin to bud – sprout leaves – in February, March at the latest. This is the way it’s been for millenia, the bitter cold slowly giving way to the summer heat.

    For a tree to begin budding in the third week of December – that’s unheard of.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Ruvy -

    Then explain the melting glaciers, the melting permafrost, the record-high level of methane in the Arctic, the already-measured rise of the seas…and my plum tree budding in the third week of December.

    See what’s happening here? Before examining the physical evidence, you’re going straight to conspiracy-theory central.

    And when you try to explain away the observations of global warming, don’t try to claim it’s the sun – we’re presently coming off a solar minimum. Don’t try to claim it’s a ‘natural cycle’, because in terms of geological time it’s happening almost instantaneously. Don’t try to claim that this or that glacier actually grew…because just like the stock market, their rate of shrinkage or growth has ups and downs, but the overall trend is unmistakably indicating a warming on a worldwide scale.

    Explain the observations, Ruvy – and THEN, if you can satisfactorily explain the observations, THEN we can discuss how all these supposed conspiracies came to be.

    It’s like any crime scene – collect and verify the evidence FIRST, before you try to explain what happened.

  • STM

    Yeah, mild winters here Glenn … and midsummer in December.

    Perhaps your plum tree is trying to tell you something.

    It needs a holiday down under.

  • Ruvy

    Then explain the melting glaciers, the melting permafrost, the record-high level of methane in the Arctic, the already-measured rise of the seas…and my plum tree budding in the third week of December.

    What does it take to get through to you? For the third time, now, from comment #49. Read it and pay attention!

    The problem with your arguments are not that there is not climate change – there is. That is why your plum tree is flowering in December and not February. Further, people pouring pollutants into the air have contributed heavily to that climate change. That can’t be argued either.

    Neither Paul nor I have disputed these basic and indisputable points. What Paul brings forth is the evidence of large firms trying to shovel down their version of climate change so as to make a fortune of money, and what I’m telling you is that the data is not complete so as to state with any certainty that what we face is a climate swing, or a permanent climate change.

    All the things you see with you own eyes are happening. But others, with an agenda of controlling you and me and others to their own profit and to our loss want to turn this “climate change” into a tool for enacting draconian controls on our lives that need not be there. And you refuse to see this at all.

  • Ruvy

    By the way….

    The fiasco in Copenhagen failed because the Chinese sandbagged it – they did not want to accept what was at base an Indian plan. Had the Chinese drawn up the plan, it would have been passed and shoved down everyone’s throats. That goes just to show you how much the Americans have been sidelined on the world’s stage.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    STM –

    As you implied, it’s not just the plum tree that needs a holiday – :)

    Ruvy -

    I’m all for those ‘draconian controls’. Why? Because with out those draconian controls now, all too quickly we’re reaching the point where NO controls – no matter how draconian – will help.

    When a ship is in danger of sinking, everything on that ship – food, drinking water, weapons, medical supplies – has ZERO priority until the ship is out of danger of sinking. Then and only then do we worry about the rest of what keeps us alive and free.

  • pablo

    Glenn 84 you said:

    “It’s like any crime scene – collect and verify the evidence FIRST, before you try to explain what happened.”

    Your words Glenn, not mine. I agree wholeheartedly. However that sentence is at odds with the rest of your diatribes, and your continued warmer mongering.

    You have asserted rather than your above quote that we can’t take the chance. I wonder if you have really thought in depth what a global coercive carbon tax derivative scheme would look like. Since carbon dioxide is exchanged/used in virtually all human and animal endeavors every scintilla of an individuals’s carbon footprint (I hate the phrase by the ways) would be monitored. More than likely with an rfid individual carbon footprint card. In other words big brother would be examining every thing that you do down to the minutest level, not to mention that literally thousands and thousands of activities of yours would now be subject to a tax.

    Indeed if you look closely at the attempted Copenhagen agreement you will in fact find that one of the main things that they were trying to to is turn over the the IMF and the World Bank extraordinary global powers to regulate and profit from the carbon trading derivative sham.

    The costs alone of acting now as you want to do are astronomical in nature. Literally trillions of dollars that you and I and the rest of humanity would have to cough up to our new IMF and World Bank masters.

    It is rather obvious to me Glenn that you have not really thought this through, instead are promoting a rather hysterical (the sky is falling) solution to a problem that according to your own words above has not been conclusively proven.

    Perhaps you want to live in such a world Glenn. I do not. I value my privacy and my ability to go about my life without having big brother sniffing up my asshole. I do not subscribe to the dribbling automatons that frequently say about big brother and privacy, “I have nothing to hide, so I don’t mind if the government knows everything about me and what I do”. These sorts of uneducated mindless drones are part of the reason we are in such a fix today, regarding big brother.

    On another point regarding global warming. You dismiss out of hand that the sun is responsible for what is going on, and are so eager it seems to blame it on one of the primary building blocks of life on this planet. Below are several links, that point out conclusively that numerous planets in our solar system are currently heating up. I hope that you are not so dense as to subscribe these phenomenons as due to carbon dioxide. Is it such a stretch of your imagination to maybe assume it has something to do with the sun Glenn? And if so, perhaps, just perhaps Glenn the sun has something to do with what is going on here on earth.

    As I have said repeatedly I am a layman, and no scientist. However I do have a very acute nose for bullshit and conspiracy, something of which I have spent the better part of 30 years studying. When I see the major fascistic players such as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the Club of Rome, and such minions of them as Maurice Strong, and Henry KissAssinger, promoting this agenda, and even acting as if they give a flying fuck about nature, or indeed the common person, I know they are lying. Just as I know that Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, and former SS officer in Nazi Germany who founded the WWF, (the main organization now responsible for the Glaciergate scandal), and the founder of the Bilderberg Group, is a fraud. I do not picture him out communing with nature, just as I do not picture Prince Bernhard giving a flying fuck about the fact that Judeo/Western civilization has been in the process of exterminating native people living on the land for the past 500 fucking years. He could give a shit, and if he and his ilk have their way they are coming for the rest of us soon pal.

    Climate change hits Mars

    Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

    Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds

    Two of the above links are from science sites Glenn. Doesn’t it strike you as odd just a bit, that some of the major players in warmer mongering are former oil men? I am referring to Al (Occidental Petroleum) Gore, Maurice Strong, Prince Bernhard (Shell Oil) and the Rockefellers. We have known scientifically for decades that spewing out carbon monoxides, hydrocarbons, and other exhausts from petroleum was having a very nasty effect on our environment. They continued. Not to mention the indigeneous humans that have been poisoned, and displaced by such corporate giants such as Shell Oil. Incidentally Glenn Shell Oil’s biggest owner to this day is none other than Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands husband to Prince Bernhardt.

    Also you will hear frequently from the warmer mongering zealots whenever a challenge is mounted against their hyteria, that obviously the opposition must be in bed with big Oil. Quite the contrary is what is actually going on. Should you request of me, I will provide you with numerous solid links showing that the CRU in England was in fact financed by BP, Shell Oil and several other nefarious corporations. Of course you will never hear about that from the warmer mongers!

    Do not assume because I doubt human caused global warming, that I do not love our planet, and nature in particular. I unlike Prince Bernhardt, the Rockefellers, and other robber barons AM a nature lover, and I do commune frequently with nature. I have watched in horror Glenn these multi-national corporations rape the planet and murder native peoples for decades, and they are my sworn enemies.

    You are being fooled and misled by these monsters, they have co-opted the entire environmental movement, as well as liberal politics in this country. You apparently are the last to know buddy.

  • pablo

    India’s environmental minister Mr Jairam Ramesh on the IPCC February 4th:

    ““There is a fine line between climate science and climate evangelism. I am for climate science. I think people misused [the] IPCC report, [the] IPCC doesn’t do the original research which is one of the weaknesses… they just take published literature and then they derive assessments, so we had goof-ups on Amazon forest, glaciers, snow peaks. ”

    He also said “while glacial melting in the Himalayas was a real concern, there was evidence that some were actually advancing despite global warming.”

    This is the second largest country in the world folks.

  • pablo

    From the Daily Mail UK:

    “Professor Phil Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

    And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.”

    HA fucking HA HA :)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    “Professor Phil Jones…”

    Hold up, Pablo. Would this be the same Phil Jones who a few weeks ago was a liar and a cad and not to be trusted? And now you’re hanging onto his every word?

    Well, no, not exactly. What you appear to be hanging onto every word of is the Daily Mail report, which even for them is a spectacularly shoddy excuse for a piece of journalism.

    “…conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now “

    Um, not exactly. What he said was that there was insufficient data to show whether the Medieval Warm Period was a global or a northern hemisphere-only phenomenon. (The available data, as I understand it, suggest the latter.) If – if – the data were to show that the MWP was global, then the current warming would not be unprecedented. However, (a) this is purely a hypothetical and (b) it does not follow that the present warming is not man-caused.

    And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.”

    Yes, but he reminded the questioner that there still has been warming over that period. The reason it’s not statistically significant is that it’s a cherry-picked and very short timeframe. It’s a bit like looking at the record of the Boston Celtics from 1995-2009 and conceding that they hadn’t won the NBA Championship a statistically significant number of times.

    HA fucking HA HA :)

    Indeed.

  • pablo

    I will ignore your lame argument, since the beginning paragraph was a smear, and the rest of your comment is gobbledygook. Nice try though Dread. Here is a new movie that was aired for the first time only 2 days ago on a local news channel in San Diego by John Coleman former owner of the Weather Channel, completely debunking the warmer mongers.

    Global Warming: Meltdown

  • Cindy

    Interestingly, none of these comments addresses the primary point of this article–the plum tree. Why is the plum tree changing? Why is my garden this year in May looking as it did in June 3 years ago? Why are seas rising against islands in Alaska, the Pacific, and Bangladesh? Why is the Ross Ice Shelf melting? These people remind me of those who ridiculed

  • Cindy

    Climate Change explains these things–it predicted the things we are seeing now. But some people will continue to refuse to accept the facts they see in front of them. They are so afraid of change. Paleontologists have found at least 5 incidents of global extinction in the history of our planet, only 1 caused by an asteroid hitting Earth. Scientists who study these things mostly agree the signs are pointing to a possible major extinction event–possibly including humans–if we do not bring down CO2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. It doesn’t matter if we caused them to be there or not. What matters is what we can still do to stop it. Why is it so hard to believe the unbelievable? It is outside of our experience. So we ridicule that which we fear. And even stop the rest of us from taking action to save ourselves. We are on a runaway train here, folks, and you won’t let us get to the handbrake! Get out of the way, please. You don’t have to agree–but don’t take us all down with you.