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“Momma Moonbat” Cindy Sheehan has written a piece at Buzzflash where she goes on her typical anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-anything she does not agree with rant. The article contains, as does anything ever written about or by her, the information that her son was killed in Iraq. We are always made aware of that as if it is supposed to give legitimacy to her activities. Her protests stopped being about Casey and started being all about Cindy quite some time ago. I think Cindy is guilt-ridden because, as I previously pointed out, she is responsible for the death of her son. She is blaming it on Bush but that is merely transference, a simple way for her to redirect to someone else (in this case, George Bush).

I usually ignore Sheehan because she is as irritating as a swarm of gnats but not nearly as attractive. But, I read the piece and it has a number of typical moonbat rantings, most of which are ridiculous. Her claims that the war in Iraq is about oil (where is all this oil?), the claim that there were no WMD in Iraq, something the Duelfer report indicates can not be ruled out, and of course the obligatory references to Bush and his disregard for the Constitution and all things decent. She even threw in a few headlines about “peaceful” anti war protesters being arrested. It has been my experience that anti war protesters are not peaceful and when they are they break other laws like trespassing and destruction of property. They seem to think that the right to peacefully assemble means they can break other laws in pursuit of their goal. Hell, look how Cindy used a straw man to purchase property so she could be near Bush and skirt around laws designed to keep the place peaceful.

I probably would not have known about this particular piece she wrote if it had not been for Sonnabend who made me aware of a certain part of her article that is particularly disturbing. In the article Cindy Sheehan tells this story:

I have a story to share. When I was in Jordan with the peace contingent, meeting with Iraqi parliamentarians, we heard the testimony of a Sheik who is also a respected mullah in Iraq. He told us that members of the US Army broke into his house, raped his wife, beat him severely, and took him to prison where he was further tortured in compliance with George‘s barbaric and cruel policies. All of this happened in front of his teenage son.

Listening to him describe his injuries and the awful treatment he received from my country, I apologized to him, weeping. No human being should treat another human being so inhumanely.

He listened, then he said this: “My son’s dream is to get a rifle and climb up on to a roof top and assassinate Americans. I will tell him that there are Americans like you and encourage him not to do this thing.” Buzzflash

I am sorry but this is beyond the pale. She is making accusations that she can not back up and she has made those accusations at the expense of the US Military. Momma Moonbat learned her lessons from John Kerry (who, by the way, was in Vietnam) very well. All she has to do is print stuff like this and a certain segment of the population will believe it based solely upon her saying that it is so. I am surprised she did not throw in the words “in a manner reminiscent of ‘jen-jis’ Khan.” Now that would have been the icing on the cake but that line has been used and it too was false.

I think it is important when people make these kinds of accusations to be able to provide details including the names of those involved, where the incidents took place and names and unit of the people involved (if any of that was somehow obtained). Someone should also point out to Cindy that if this kid feels like taking pot shots at Americans it is because the Imams have been preaching hatred toward us forever. He was probably being fitted for his bomb vest when all of this allegedly took place. Lastly, if this happened to a sheik, why has it never been reported. A sheik is not the run of the mill person and this guy’s presence at such a meeting shows he has connections. I guess I would also ask if his wife was stoned to death as are many victims of rape in that part of the world.

I am afraid that I am not convinced just because some Iraqi made the claim. I am not convinced when any follower of Islam makes claims because lying to further Islam is accepted in that religion. Additionally, people in that part of the world lie all the time with regard to disputes. A lot of Iraqis lie to Americans about being wronged so they can get American dollars when our government rushes in to settle things. Considering the Dinar is worth about 6/1000 of a dollar, can you really blame them? I might also add that this is the case if the incident actually happened.

It is not beyond Sheehan to make up such an incident to make her point seem more valid. We can thank Bill and Hillary for teaching her that. To them, it does not matter if the story is true so long as it sounded good and it scored them points (Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillary or Bill saying Republicans criticized him for going after bin Laden). These are convenient stories designed to give validity or importance to the things they say. Cindy might just have done such a thing. She never names the accuser and she never says how it is that a person from that part of the world gave a woman the time of day and assigned importance to her. You see, Cindy is all about her own ego and that last part about telling his son there are Americans like you sounds like something she would fabricate to elevate her own importance. If I were a foreigner and you had a bunch of Cindy Sheehans, I would want to attack you too.

As I stated though, the kool-aid induced rantings of Momma Moonbat Cindy Sheehan are not something that I usually pay any attention to. She is well past her 15 minutes and quite honestly I would rather slide down a razor blade naked into a pool of alcohol than listen to her. Having stated that I am in full agreement with Sonnabend who wrote that Sheehan needs to prove it or retract it.

Next time Sheehan goes over there can we send her to the area where they kidnap Americans and lop off their heads? It might give her a better perspective on the kinds of folks we are dealing with and, who knows, it might just shut her up.

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  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Heh…I think you’ll get some nasty replies to this one… :-/

  • http://www.onebigdog.net Big Dog

    Ya think? I know, it is against the moonbat credo to attack a victim….

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    This is amazing free publicity for a website I’ve never heard of. Oop, I’ve already forgotten the name of the site in question. So I guess we’re back to where we started.

  • http://www.dailykos.com/user/souldrift JP

    Wow. Way to counter the description of anti-war activists as peaceful–they’re trespassers! Oh my!

    Granted, property is property. However unless they’re committing property damage, it’s peaceful.

  • JustOneMan

    Its obvious Cindy has a gang rape fantasy and this is a way for here to share it with her flock of followers….

  • McNab

    So Poppa Lamebat has his panties in a knot over Cindy Sheehan. What’s new!

  • Dr. Kurt

    Honestly, I think that the burden of proof is not on an American citizen exercising her right to free speech, however much it may annoy you; rather, it is on those who are responsible for upwards of 100,000 deaths, many more mutilations, blowing the limbs off of children, bankrupting our nation & selling the note to the Chinese. I don’t think you can hold Ms. Sheehan to a higher standard of proof than you do our elected servants. Let them back up every statement, claim, and action they have made in our names – then complain about the words of angry victims.

  • Fellow Moonbat

    I love it when people attack Cindy Sheehan like Big Bitch, er Big Dog did. It’s a sure sign that Cindy is still being very effective.

    As the monkey man said, “Bring it on.”

    Ha ha ha ha.

  • JustOneMan

    Cindy Sheehan is a warped pig of a woman who shits on her sons grave every day that she walks the face of the earth – Thats the truth—“the burden of proof is not on an American citizen exercising his right to free speech, however much it may annoy you”

  • Peter J

    I’m pretty much over Cindy Sheehan too. It does get old talking about this damn war over and over again.
    The thing is , we can turn off the news and forget about it, that’s one thing Cindy Sheehan can’t do.

    I can hardly imagine the sense of loss and outrage one feels when a child is murdered. the one thing I do know is that I’d want my pound of flesh. I would find a way to get it and it woudn’t be by holding up a sign.

    My daughters life is my life, it’s what I leave behind when I’m gone. Losing her son with no recourse available to her she has turned to the only way she knows how to extract her pound.

    I think it’s pretty chickenshit to attack a woman who has suffered such loss because she has found a way to justify her loss. Who the hell are any of you to question her motives or to diagnos her state of mind.

    How many of you are weilding a firearm in Iraq or has an immediate close member of your family laying down their lives, and this doesn’t mean “I know this guy…”.

    Cindy Sheehan is walking through the flames, every day when she awakens. I’m sure that others who have lost children, husbands, wives have found their way to deal with their grief, she has chosen a path to try to help end this charade that Bush calls a “war for our freedom”
    to prevent another mother from suffering her loss, and if you believe that this war has a goddamn thing to do with your freedom I suggest you take that baseball cap off. It’s probably too tight and it’s cutting off the circulation to your brain.

    Leave the woman alone and quit being so mean spirited and childish. Just hope that you never have to lose a child, a sister or brother or parent to Bush’s folleys.

  • JustOneMan

    PeterJ….what about the thousands of men and women INCLUDING HER OWN SON —who died believing that this is the right thing to do….and this BITCH now accuses US soldiers of rape…fuck her….she is offending all the other mothers who really care about their sons and daughters

  • Clavos

    Without minimizing Ms. Sheehan’s loss, we need to remember that her son, Casey, was on his second enlistment in the Army when he was killed in Iraq.

    A recipient of the Bronze Star for Valor, he was a hero.

    Further, he had volunteered for the operation in which he was participating when he died. As a mechanic is an armored unit in the First Cav, he was not a combat soldier. However, when a column of soldiers from his unit was attacked and pinned down in Sadr city he volunteered to join the rescue force that was sent out.

    In short, Sheehan demeans the memory of her hero son when she terms his death a “murder” and portrays him as a victim.

    Casey Sheehan was a proud volunteer soldier who died tragically, but heroically. His mother should quit using his memory to further her political agenda.

  • JustOneMan

    Clavos…well said!

  • MCH

    “Cindy Sheehan is a warped pig of a woman who shits on her sons grave every day that she walks the face of the earth – Thats the truth….”
    – JustOneMan

    And of course, your parents will never have to experience what Cindy Sheehan is going through, JOM, since that would mean you’d actually have to serve first…

  • Peter J

    JOM,
    I’m in 100% agreement with you. Her son was indisputably a hero and now she’s a crackpot.
    Like I said, I can’t imagine what losing my child would be like but with my ability to empathize it has to be mind shattering.

    Casey joined voluntarily, I don’t know how Cindy felt about this but I do know that when a loss like this occurs a parent has to have something to hold on to, some reason that her child was “murdered”. If she objected to the war in the first place then there was no place else to go than the Army. It must have been their fault, even though he volunteered in her eyes.

    This is probably the only glue holding this woman together at this time. Her grief is obviously overwhelming as everyone reacts differently in these cases. I would bet tha this woman cries herself to sleep every night of her life.

    Granted, people are using her as a platform to spread their form of propoganda as was the case in this article. There is no proof of these acts ever taking place, no names mentioned, no charges filed, no reason to publish it. In a situation like this where Sheehan is obviously so vulnerable it is the responsibility of the publishers to provide proof before it is printed. The fact that this was not done discredits the publisher who has their wits about them and chose to engage in sloppy reporting.

    I feel very sad for Cindy Sheehan, I wish she could finally come to grips and find peace within herself.

  • Arch Conservative

    “I love it when people attack Cindy Sheehan like Big Bitch, er Big Dog did. It’s a sure sign that Cindy is still being very effective.:

    Effective at what?

    When was she ever effective at anything.

    The woman is a joke!

  • Donnie Marler

    As the father of a U.S. Marine, I have come to know several Gold Star mothers and fathers. I’m humbled by their strength, decency, courage, and caring as they reach out to comfort each other, and to support those still serving. An overwhelming majority of those I know do not agree with Cindy Sheehan.
    I believe Ms. Sheehan’s son was a hero. I disagree vehemently with Cindy Sheehan’s viewpoint, but her son died for, and my son fights for, her right to express it.
    I don’t have to dignify it with a response.

  • http://www.onebigdog.net Big Dog

    Cetainly, anyone is entitled to an opinion. But if a person makes accusations then they should be able to prove what they say.

    Her story casts a bad shadow on the valiant men and women in the armed forces who do the right thing each and every day. She is no better than John Kerry who said our troops were breaking in to homes in the dead of night and terrorizing Iraqi families.

    She could have made her point in one of two ways. Say it and provide the evidence or leave it out of the story. I too served this country so that others may speak but after 24 years I also know I will not sit idly by while our troops are accused of crimes without proof.

  • Donnie Marler

    I agree this sort of allegation begs proof. If she can’t provide it, which I absolutely believe she cannot, then she is further marginalized as a serious voice of opposition.
    I must say, I stopped listening a long time ago.

  • Peter J

    Everybody’s RIGHT,
    my point is that she is totally distraught, severely heartbroken and has quite possibly suffered a mental collapse. All she’s surrounded by are anti-war agitators who are using her as a platform. In her mental state she welcomes the validity to her feelings these people provide.

    Every person reacts differently to absolute grief; her prior mental state, the people who surround her and response from her accused.
    It appears that her world is falling apart, I doubt seriously that she enjoys this but she gets validation from those around her and they are the scoundrels. They are the people who are taking advantage of her fragile mental state and using her as an apparatus and they are the ones who should be brought to task.Perhaps too, if Bush had the humanity to meet with her while on his vacation she may have felt vindicated and gone home.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “I think it’s pretty chickenshit to attack a woman who has suffered such loss because she has found a way to justify her loss. Who the hell are any of you to question her motives or to diagnos her state of mind.”

    This is exactly what Ann Coulter was talking about in her recent book. The Left builds up some “victim” who then makes outrageous statements, and whenever someone DARES to criticize the moon-bat for her statements, people pop up and denounce them for even questioning the “victim” …

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “if Bush had the humanity to meet with her while on his vacation she may have felt vindicated and gone home.”

    Bush had already met with her PRIOR to her little squatting episode in Crawford…

  • http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/10/01/230620.php Frank

    My comment is that I agree with the writers whos article is found here onBlogcritics. Cindy Sheehan Needs to Prove This.. October 01, 2006 Big Dog” where it said quote: Next time Sheehan goes over there can we send her to the area where they kidnap Americans and lop off their heads? It might give her a better perspective on the kinds of folks we are dealing with and, who knows, it might just shut her up.

  • McNab

    If Sheehan was as fucked up and crazy as the right wing shit eaters think she is she’d be over in Iraq looking for those weapons of mass destruction we heard so much about.

  • http://www.onebigdog.net Big Dog

    No, she’d be in Syria where they were moved to.

  • McNab

    So you fell for that story about Saddam hiring the WMD Elves and their cousins the Underpants Gnomes.

  • Clavos

    If Sheehan was as fucked up and crazy

    She’s not. She’s just pathetic and stupid.

  • McNab

    If Sheehan was as pathetic and stupid as the right wing Bush ass lickers think she is she’d be looking for weapons of mass destruction in Syria.

  • Clavos

    Oooohhh I love it when you talk dirty like that!!

  • McNab

    Don’t forget to brush your tongue.

  • Arch Conservative

    I’d just like to remind all of you who think Cindy is some kind of spokesperson for all military families.

    When she had her little camp casey stunt in texas she used the names of dead soliders on crosses to make her point. When the family members of some of these young dead soldiers came to camp casey to take the crosses down and ask cindy and her followers to please not use thier sons and daughters names in their protest the crosses went right back up after the families left.

    this is all I need to know about cindy and her handlers/followers. She doesn’t have respect for anything but advancing her own agenda.

  • MCH

    “I’d just like to remind all of you who think Cindy is some kind of spokesperson for all military families…Yada, yada, yada…”
    – ArchBing

    I don’t think she’s a military spokesperson, Archie. And by the same token, since you’ve never served, neither are you.

  • Arch Conservative

    I never claimed to be dumbass!

    Cindy Sheehan on the other hand is held up to be some kind of hero by the radical left.

  • http://www.onebigdog.net Big Dog

    “I don’t think she’s a military spokesperson, Archie. And by the same token, since you’ve never served, neither are you.”

    Technically, one does not need to have served to be a spokesperson for military FAMILIES. One would only need be a family member of someone in the military.

    Another point is, being a family member does not make one eligible to be a spokesperson for ALL families just as being in the military does not make one a spokesperson for the military. My service does not make me a spokesperson for the military any more than Cindy Sheehan being the mother of a dead soldier makes her a spokesperson for FAMILIES.

    Hope that clears it up for you.

  • Clavos

    Hope that clears it up for you

    Probably not, BD. emmy will be back again with the same tired old refrain…

    “Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life…”

  • MCH

    “Technically, one does not need to have served to be a spokesperson for military FAMILIES. One would only need be a family member of someone in the military.”
    Big Dog

    Well, that would exclude ArchBing’s parents.

  • Arch Conservative

    Do you ever have anything of value to offer to the conversation MCH?

  • Arch Conservative

    MCH chimes in predictably with “you didn’t serve.”

    It’s beyond his abilities to actually comment on the fact that Cindy Sheehan used crosses with the names of dead soldiers (they did serve MCH) even after the families of those soldiers asked Sheehan not to.

    MCH and Cindy Sheehan are the same animal. Ignorant malcontents wholly incapable of seeing anything without the aid of their ideological prism.

    Congrats MCH you win the BC lifetime idiot contributor award.

  • Dinah Thompson

    I think your,e a inhuman jerk. Apparently your morals and feelings on the human race are as low as Bush,s. He doesn,t seem to care who dies, he only has empathy for the fitest of fit and the richest of rich. Anyone else if they do not add to his ideas feelings or empower him with more money or power can exit off this planet. The few times I,ve watched you I thought you were Bush,s yes man or side kick.

  • http://www.onebigdog.net Big Dog

    Dinah,
    To whom do you refer?

  • Donnie Marler

    I believe she’s addressing Bill O’Reilly.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I’m pretty sure Bill O’Reilly isn’t here…

    Dave

  • Arch Conservative

    Big dog i think you meant……..

    Dinah:

    From whom do you get your reefer?

  • http://www.onebigdog.net Big Dog

    AC,
    Since you put it that way, OK!

    I only asked because a bunch of people have commented so it would be nice to know…

  • RLA

    thank you casey sheehan
    and about your mother, I’m sorry

  • Clavos

    #46 is definitely a contender for best comment in this thread…

  • Peter J

    Clavos,
    I think,, I hope, you’re talking about #45.
    He said what I was trying to say but in very few words. I wasn’t trying to justify or vilify anyone here. (except the people who have surrounded this woman and are sucking off of her raw emotional state like a horde of vampires)

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    The numbering got screwed up because someone deleted the double dose of dinah’s off-topic comment.

    And Peter J has it exactly right. The issue here really isn’t Sheehan, who’s a victim in many ways, but the people who are handling and manipulating her – agents of George Soros who are just using her and I think destroying her for their own partisan purposes.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    I was, of course, referring to RLA’s comment.

    And what I was honoring was his tribute to Casey as well as the succinct way in which he expressed his point.

  • Peter J

    That being said, can’t we all just agree to, in the future, rather than skewering this poor soul as a fucking whore and a leftist pig, pity her for her loss and how she’s dealing, hoping someday she’ll find a true friend who’ll help put her on the right road to inner peace and Honor her for bringing in to this world and raising a brave young man who gave his life for what he believed in.

    I don’t have much belief in the way of religion but when my father died, for months he was in my dreams, I felt his presence almost always and I felt as though I was really getting to know him as I never had before.
    It helped me deal with the loss. Like I said, I have no religion, (no church) but I think there is a spiritual connection with family. Just my thought.

    If Cindy Sheehan could escape the madness of these heartless cretins she would find in herself that part of her son who is a hero telling her to lose these people who are using her, at the expense of her mental well being, and honor his death as a hero. I hope she finds that peace but I cringe when people viciously attack her so harshly
    It’s not her, it’s the mindless morons who are using and abusing her.

  • McNab

    The lying, twisted, sicko polticians in the USA who send their citizens overseas to attack and murder the citizens of soverign nations should be the issue here. And the fact that the sicko politicians in the USA lied to their own citizens about why they should put on military uniforms and travel thousands of miles across the globe to murder men women and children that had done them no harm.

  • MCH

    “This is exactly what Ann Coulter was talking about in her recent book. The Left builds up some “victim” who then makes outrageous statements, and whenever someone DARES to criticize the moon-bat for her statements, people pop up and denounce them for even questioning the “victim” …”
    – RJ Elliott

    And of course, Elliott’s mother and father are another set of parents who will never have to experience the same situation as Cindy Sheehan.

  • Mark in Canada

    Cindy Sheehan lost her son. For that, the nation felt bad for her loss, but then she kept whining and saying how awful Dubya is for sending him to Iraq.

    First off Cindy, he went there because he joined the Army as a VOLUNTEER. Second, he died because some people in Iraq seem to think killing Americans will make them go home sooner. Third, Cindy, your friends hate all soldiers, and had your son NOT Died, they would call him a baby killer. Tell me Cindy, was your son such an awful person?? Did you raise a psychopath Cindy?

    I find the whole anti-war movement from the Democratic party in the US a bit of a joke. They voted for the use of force to go to Iraq, and John Kerry of all people voted for it before he voted against it. A classic libreal flip flop. Say you are for something until it seems that maybe your stance may not be popular with your friends. Having a princple means you stand up for it, you know, like standing up for democratic values in a part of the world that was run by a dictatorship. As for the WMD’s, how about the US had to take out Saddam, because they couldn’t afford to find out he had them……

  • bladdblah

    I would like to address some of the issues you raise here.

    The way you present the Duelfer Report is very misleading. It says that it had “not found evidence that Saddam possessed WMD stocks in 2003″.It also said that there was a “possibility” that there were some weapons,but that they were not “of a militarily significant capability.” In an addendum added by Duelfer, he address the rumors that Iraq smuggled WMD across the border to Syria prior to the war. Specifically,he said that the scenario was “unlikely” but that the “possibility” of these transfers could not be ruled out. So,to reiterate, “possible”,but “unlikely”. given that there is zero evidence to support this idea,it seems pretty safe to say that this scenario did not happen.
    If, indeed, there were large numbers of people/vehicles fleeing for the borders,would not an equally good explanation be that they were leaving so as not to get killed in the bombing that they knew was imminent? After, GW did announce to the world that we were on our way,and warned Iraqis to get out while they still could.
    I have been to many peace protests,and they have all been,well, peaceful. Thats just my experience of course. Trespassing when protesting is an act of civil disobedience. Protesters usually expect to get arrested when trespassing;it is a method of calling attention to their cause,and hurts no one.
    I not going to defend destruction of property;thats taking things too far.
    As far as Cindy Sheehans story,it’s an anecdote,not an accusation. It is a story she says was related to her,and that she apparently accepted at face value. If she actually did name specific people, then it would an accusation. And the “sheik” is used in many ways in Arabic. It can mean that one is an elder of the tribe,or an Islamic scholar(mullah),just to name a couple of interpretations. It’s literally definition is a man of old age. There are sheiks all over the place,they are not necessarily all rich Middle Eastern royalty,as portrayed in Western cinema.
    Also,it should be clear from this story that the “kid” feels like taking “potshots” because,allegedly,his mother was RAPED IN FRONT OF HIM and his father was BEATEN and TORTURED. Not because some imams are preaching hate towards the U.S. i’m not saying this isn’t motivating some of these people,but I don’t think that it applies in this case.
    Further more,the father tells Sheehan that he will encourage his son NOT to assassinate Americans,which would seem to be a good things,since one assumes that might include the troops e have there now.
    We of course have no way to know whether or not this story is in fact accurate. If it is true,it is certainly horrible. While I am certain that the vast majority of our troops do not engage in this type of behavior,these things do happen during wartime,and and Americans are not immune to it.
    Also, there is no question that the United States has engaged in torture,which is appalling and,I believe, is both counter-productive to our long term goals and against everything that this great country stands for.
    I am sure you will not agree with most of this post,but thank for your time,and your service to our country.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    given that there is zero evidence to support this idea

    That’s zero evidence if you discount the eyewitness testimony of the general who ordered the transfers and the pilots who flew some of the WMD materials into Syria. Give me a break.

    Dave