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In what only can be considered bizarre, the Florida State Guardianship Association honored Michael Schiavo as Guardian of the Year for being a hero in “mercifully” killing his wife in a method that would be illegal to apply to most animals. It shouldn’t be surprising that the Florida Bar Association gave Judge Greer the Judge of the Year Award for his part in defining separation of powers as prohibiting any check from the Legislature or Executive Branches against the juristocracy. In a society that celebrates people who abort their kids, is it any surprise that people celebrate guardians who delete their charges?

It’s a society that is outraged by stories of sexual abuse by Roman Catholic clergy, but remains silent when Planned Parenthood covers up about the same number of child rape cases in 1 year in the state of Illinois than the Catholic Church “covered up” in 50 years nationwide. It’s a society that couldn’t care less that child sex abuse takes place in public schools in much larger proportions.

So while Michael Schiavo and the Florida Lawyers and Guardians associations are celebrating their power to put the powerless to death, the rest of us can celebrate the miracle of birth of Susan Torres to a courageous father who kept his wife on life support so the child could be born.

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  • billy

    “So while Michael Schiavo and the Florida Lawyers and Guardians associations are celebrating their power to put the powerless to death, the rest of us can”

    I guess by rest of us you mean the 10% of americans who thought what jeb and hig gop allies did was the right thing to do, the other 90% begs to differ.

  • Oh gee, what a horrible thing, they asked for the federal courts to review the case where the parents and the spouse disagreed on what someone wanted to have done with them when there was NO WRITTEN RECORD WHATSOEVER…

    Gee horrible intrusion.

  • bhw

    Jeb did more than that. He signed into law a bill that gave HIM the power to step into family matters like the Schiavio’s. That law was overturned by the FL supreme court, but clearly Jeb felt that it was his place to decide who gets to live and who gets to die, rather than the spouse [you know, 1/2 of that “sanctified union”].

  • billy

    “they asked for the federal courts to review”

    lets not re-hash that. schiavo’s case was the most litigated and appealed case in history.

    and the republicans want another hearing? the same republicans who complain of frivolous and wasteful litigation? the same republicans who want to hold suspects indefinitely without charge or evidence or a chance to go to court to clear their name?

    pure political opportunism by jebbie, as i see it.

  • billy

    “In what only can be considered bizarre, the Florida State Guardianship Association honored Michael Schiavo as Guardian of the Year”

    ill concede this to you. despite our disagrrement, this is sort of bizarre.

    maybe they should have given it to someone who stuck by their braindead wife for 50 years , etc.

    i dont think michael schiavo was wrong legally or morally, but best guardian? that is odd.

  • Kurt

    Interesting ethical discussion. To personalize it,
    1. I, too, would keep my comatose wife alive until our child could be viably born. And,
    2. Like both husbands, I would follow my wife’s instructions to pull the plug thereafter, so long as several top neurologists had evaluated her and agreed that she was brain dead. Jeb Bush & co. are grandstanding jerks, and as a freedom- (and privacy!)-loving citizen, I curse their arrogance.

  • The question that was never adjudicated was were those REALLY his wife’s intentions…

    The parents vehemently disagreed. There was nothing in writing.

  • bhw

    The question that was never adjudicated was were those REALLY his wife’s intentions…

    Yes it was. The court believed the husband. The parents told stories from when she was 14 and stuff like that, but I believe the judge found serious inconsistencies in the family’s stories.

  • RJ

    Let’s look at the facts of the case again, just for a second…

    – Terri Schiavo enters a PVS for reasons that are still not fully known

    – Terri Schiavo had no “living will” which could have provided some guidance on what she would want to be done with her in that state

    – Her husband claims she would have wanted to die

    – Her parents claim she would have wanted to live

    – Judge Greer hears the case first (therefore he has original jurisdiction), and decides in favor of the husband, partly because state regulations generally allow the husband to make the decisions in such matters, and partly because of “expert testimony” that suggests that Ms. Terri Schiavo has no hope over recovery

    – This decision is appealed roughly 52 million times, and in each appeal, the appellate court declines to overturn Judge Greer’s decision

    – HOWEVER, these appeals courts were not re-trying the case, they were merely affirming that Judge Greer’s decision did not violate anyone’s Constitutional rights

    – JEB Bush and the GOP-controlled Florida legislature creates a new law in order to keep Terri alive

    – The Democrat-dominated Florida Supreme Court declares this law unconstitutional

    – Terri’s case is appealed another umpteen times

    – The appeals run out

    – The media gets all over this story

    – The national GOP steps in and gets the federal court system involved

    – Another 86 billion appeals are filed

    – These appeals run out, and the US Supreme Court refuses to hear the case

    – Terri Schiavo is starved to death over the course of several weeks

    – Her “husband” who is now living with another woman with whom he has fathered a couple kids, celebrates

    – AFTER SHE IS DEAD, some doctors do an examination of her corpse, and decide that she was indeed brain-dead

    – Liberals view it as a great victory, that a brain-dead woman was starved to death at a Florida medical center

    That’s about it. Any questions?

  • I think the imposition of Jeb Bush’s noxious presence in this case was just wrong. Judge Greer made his ruling. Despite the rantings and ravings of GOP activists and arrogant, intrusive pols, Terri finally is resting in peace. Michael Schiavo did not kill his wife; that’s just a stupid charge. But I have to agree as well that Michael Schiavo getting this award is way bizarre.

  • alethinos59

    Let’s see… What else “wasn’t reported”… Oh yah. That the autopsy showed her brain had shriveled to 1/2 of what it had been and that there was no WAY she could have lived in that condition…

    But please, continue on with the paranoia. Lord knows there isn’t enough of that these days.

  • RJ

    “the autopsy showed her brain had shriveled to 1/2 of what it had been and that there was no WAY she could have lived in that condition…”

    Uh…she was in fact LIVING in that condition…

  • Right–something she told her husband she wouldn ‘t have wanted to do. And in Florida, that means everything.

  • I was fairly aghast at the way the so called pro-lifers and the GOP manipulated this whole sick sad affair, but to give this guy an award is just over the top plain crazy.

  • kuros

    Like many of you, I have been compelled by recent events to prepare a more detailed advance directive dealing with end-of-life issues. Here’s what mine says:

    * In the event I lapse into a persistent vegetative state, I want medical authorities to resort to extraordinary means to prolong my hellish semiexistence. Fifteen years wouldn’t be long enough for me.

    * I want my wife and my parents to compound their misery by engaging in a bitter and protracted feud that depletes their emotions and their bank accounts.

    * I want my wife to ruin the rest of her life by maintaining an interminable vigil at my bedside. I’d be really jealous if she waited less than a decade to start dating again or otherwise rebuilding a semblance of a normal life.

    * I want my case to be turned into a circus by losers and crackpots from around the country who hope to bring meaning to their empty lives by investing the same transient emotion in me that they once reserved for Laci Peterson, Chandra Levy and that little girl who got stuck in a well.

    * I want those crackpots to spread vicious lies about my wife.

    * I want to be placed in a hospice where protesters can gather to bring further grief and disruption to the lives of dozens of dying patients and families whose stories are sadder than my own.

    * I want the people who attach themselves to my case because of their deep devotion to the sanctity of life to make death threats against any judges, elected officials or health care professionals who disagree with them.

    * I want the medical geniuses and philosopher kings who populate the Florida Legislature to ignore me for more than a decade and then turn my case into a forum for weeks of politically calculated bloviation.

    * I want total strangers – oily politicians, maudlin news anchors, ersatz friars and all other hangers-on – to start calling me “Bobby,” as if they had known me since childhood.

    * I’m not insisting on this as part of my directive, but it would be nice if Congress passed a “Bobby’s Law” that applied only to me and ignored the medical needs of tens of millions of other Americans without adequate health coverage.

    * Even if the “Bobby’s Law” idea doesn’t work out, I want Congress – especially all those self-described conservatives who claim to believe in “less government and more freedom” – to trample on the decisions of doctors, judges and other experts who actually know something about my case. And I want members of Congress to launch into an extended debate that gives them another excuse to avoid pesky issues such as national security and the economy.

    * In particular, I want House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to use my case as an opportunity to divert the country’s attention from the mounting political and legal troubles stemming from his slimy misbehavior.

    * And I want Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to make a mockery of his Harvard medical degree by misrepresenting the details of my case in ways that might give a boost to his 2008 presidential campaign.

    * I want Frist and the rest of the world to judge my medical condition on the basis of a snippet of dated and demeaning videotape that should have remained private.

    * Because I think I would retain my sense of humor even in a persistent vegetative state, I’d want President Bush – the same guy who publicly mocked Karla Faye Tucker when signing off on her death warrant as governor of Texas – to claim he was intervening in my case because it is always best “to err on the side of life.”

    * I want the state Department of Children and Families to step in at the last moment to take responsibility for my well-being, because nothing bad could ever happen to anyone under DCF’s care.

    * And because Gov. Jeb Bush is the smartest and most righteous human being on the face of the Earth, I want any and all of the aforementioned directives to be disregarded if the governor happens to disagree with them. If he says he knows what’s best for me, I won’t be in any position to argue.

  • alethinos59

    UH, in fact RJ she was NOT living in that condition. She was KEPT alive by others IN that condition and could have, UNDER NO KNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES returned to “life” as we know it.


  • She was not “kept” alive, she was alive in her own right and needed only what the rest of us need to keep living… food and water.

  • RJ

    No. She was ALWAYS alive. Until she was starved to death.

    It’s not like she died and was brought back to life by some super-duper “life-extending” machine. She was alive, but because of her unfortunate condition, had to be fed by a tube.

    Judge Greer wanted that tube removed. So did most liberals.

    So. Most liberals wanted a severely-handicapped woman to starve to death. And they were granted their wish.


  • And now they gloat by giving Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer awards…

  • >>and the republicans want another hearing? the same republicans who complain of frivolous and wasteful litigation? the same republicans who want to hold suspects indefinitely without charge or evidence or a chance to go to court to clear their name?<< Please don't call these people Republicans. Their actions were not representative of the party or its policies and they certainly don't speak for the majority of the GOP. While they may be members of the party their actions are entirely their own - think of them as renegades. I do. Dave

  • alethinos59

    What world do you live in? Perhaps it is a world where people go about their daily lives with a brain half the size of a normal one… Well, come to think of it that might actually explain a lot…

    Anyway, this is just sad. The woman was “gone” in every conceivable sense of the word. There was no coming back from her condition and the autopsy proved this…

    What is sad is that this travisty was carried on for so long. I am certainly not impressed with her husband but the people who continue on about this subject are the truly sick here… This would be of the laughable nature of Elvis – if it wasn’t for the obvious agenda behind those that contine to – in essence – drag her dead body through the streets of America…

  • billy

    “think of them as renegades. I do.”

    so do i, but they pull the strings of the gop, so there is no choice but to assoicate that with them.

  • Yes, but every time you legitimize these people by blaming their outrages on the entire Republican party you put the rest of us in a position of half-way having to defend them, or at least defend the party, when we’d like to use that effort to isolate and ostracize the extremists, which you make more difficult.


  • alethinos59

    Dave, have you ever considered that POLITICAL PARTIES are the problem? The Founding Fathers sure did…

  • Not all of the founding fathers. Several of the founding fathers were also founders of political parties. Washington was the main opponent of parties.

    The truth is that we can’t get away from parties. I’d like to see some new ones, but we’ve had political parties since the first time there was an election in the ancient world. In Rome the political parties doubled as sports fan clubs, bookies, extortionists and street gangs – so it could be worse.


  • Kurt

    Kuros, you rock! Beautifully summed up.
    For the rest of you partisans… do you know how much you resemble teenage gang members arguing over which piece of desolate ground is your “turf”? Both major parties are morally and intellectually bankrupt, and this Crossfire-type bickering is stupid. How about some real solutions that respect our grandchildren’s needs?

  • Shark


  • gurglegurgle

    People tend to vote for the candidate they feel they would personally like the most, not the candidate who spends the most. And the big donors know this.
    So why give so much to both to parties?
    Because they ARE being extorted.

    Oh, and DN, it seems you have changed the subject in the face of embarrassing right wing demagogary once again-

    -but it only seems that way

    see comment 15 by kuros and ignore this attempt at diversion

  • I think the next person to say she starved to death should have to turn in their US citizen card.

    You say she starved to death. Does that mean that people taken off ventilators were sufficated to death?

    She was kept alive be ARTIFICIAL means. Do you not get this?

  • Shark


    My, aren’t we getting picky.

    For those interested, I simply pondered what percentage of Bambineck and RJ’s brains are functioning at.


    No insults.

    : )

  • Shark

    BTW, apparently, some “nugget” making an implicit death threat against yers truly is still okay, but awd forbid that somebody gets ‘insulted’, tho.


  • She was starved to death…

    Feeding is not artificial means. When you feed a baby is it artificial means? No. Thanks for playing.

    Now… come here and try to take my citizenship… bring it on.

  • bhw

    When you feed a baby is it artificial means? No.

    Babies actually suck and swallow to eat. They cry when they’re hungry.

    Schaivo was fed via a feeding tube. She was incapable of swallowing even liquid. She could not suck a straw. That basic reflex that even a newborn has was GONE from her body.

  • ClubhouseCancer

    I almost had the perfect cure for Terry Schiavo’s condition, but I needed a few stem cells to complete my experiments.

  • Humans have been feeding their babies for millions of years. Feeding tubes are a modern medical breakthrough.

    How is a feeding tube not ARTIFICIAL. 100 years ago she would have died from here original injuries. We would not be having a debate about her starving to death.

    Many people need help eating, but they can swallow for themselves. That is natural.

  • She could have eaten on her own. One of her nurses testified to that.

  • John, if that were true, there would have been no need for a feeding tube.

  • Shark

    Dear Mr. Bambineck,

    Just an update:

    Terri Shiavo is DEAD.

    Peter Jennings RETIRED. Permanently.

    Michael Jackson is INNOCENT.

    The Space Shuttle has LANDED.

    The GOP and Christian Right RUN ALL BRANCHES of US government.

    Please turn your attentions to Aruba. They need you there — and BC needs an essay on the subject. Seriously, man, keep up!

    Thanks in advance,
    Katie Couric

  • gonzo marx

    sloop John B sez…
    *She could have eaten on her own. One of her nurses testified to that.*

    and she was wrong..the autopsy showed that the area of the brain that controlled that autonomic response was GONE…along with sight , speech and cognitive centers…

    so, perhaps the nurse was mistake?..or lied?

    if the poor woman could have swallowed there woudl have been no need for the feeding apparatus…

    as for the feeding tube baing “artificial”..well, i am unaware of ANY natural process that has a patent..

    that feeding apparatus does…makes the doctor who invented it a bit of cash too

    are we done yet?


  • Bennett

    Great comment kuros.

    Best laugh of the day?



    Oh fuck, that’s hilarious!

  • OMG, Mr. Kuros, that’s awesome! If you haven’t already (you skimmers, you), do check out #15. Mr. Kuros explains it all for you.