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Bolstered by a $1.3 million cash infusion from his Tea Party “moneybomb” on Monday and a massive nationwide campaign to try to swing libertarian-leaning votes away from independent Joe Kennedy, Massachusetts GOP Senate hopeful Scott Brown has assumed a 4 point lead in the latest poll.

The Suffolk University poll conducted for WGBH found Brown supported by 50% of those polled with Democrat Martha Coakley trailing at only 46%. Libertarian independent Joe Kennedy’s support has dropped to 3%.

This is the first poll to show Brown with a clear lead, but follows a trend demonstrated in a Rassumussen poll from Tuesday where he had closed to within 2 points of Coakley, up from being behind by 9 points last week. If this trend continues Brown could win a historic victory

It raises the possibility of an historic political upset in Massachusetts, with a Republican taking a seat which has been held by Democrats in a heavily Democrat dominated state for 57 years.

The shift to Brown seems to be based on the opposition of independent voters to Democrat fiscal policies and efforts at health care reform. Although Massachusetts leans more than 2 to 1 Democrat over Republican, independents in the state seem to be following the national polling trend of breaking 2 to 1 in favor of Republicans. Massachusetts has one of the highest percentages of independent voters in the nation, estimated at around 45% of the population.

This contest in Massachusetts is being watched nationwide as a referendum on the policies of the Obama administration and as an indicator of voting trends for the interim congressional elections later this year.

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  • STM

    This what happens when people drink tea: they get motivated.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    There’s a feeling in the air in Harvard Square this cold, dark night. The Democrats realize they’re in trouble and Ms. Coakley may not pull it out. For those who remain undecided, think about this. The election on Tuesday if to fill the term left vacant by Ted Kennedy. The winner will have a mere two years to prove they are worthy of their own term. The way I see it, a Scott Brown victory affords the people of Massachusetts a rare opportunity to put Brown to the test and see if he’s got what it takes. We’ve seen Martha Coakley in action or should I say Martha Coakley’s inaction? Scott Brown’s got my vote. Should he win, he’ll have two years to prove he needs it once again.

  • Arch Conservative

    When Silas is fessing up to the fact that Coakley is in trouble then you know it’s the truth.

    If Silas tells you he’s voting for a Republican then you know the shit done hit the fan.

    Coakley has been running ridiculous nonstop TV and radio and TV ads up here. Most of them consist of nothing more than reminding people that Scott Brown is a Republican and so was George Bush over and over.

    If Brown is up or tied with Coakley in a number of polls over the weekend the people of MA won’t likely be getting a visit from Obama. If Barry were to come stump for Coakley and Brown were to win it would be a ginourmous blow to Obama and the Dems at a time when they can ill afford it.

    To be sure….there will be all kinds of underhanded illegal endavors undertaken by the Democrat machine in MA to steal this one. Just look for all the voters with philly, nj, chicago, and ny accents getting on buses with out of state license plates leaving the polls.

    I’m hoping that Brown does pull it off so that the independents and moderates in my own home state of New Hampshire will be emboldened to oust our own two resident Democrat hacks, Carol Shea-Porter and Paul Hodes.

  • Mark

    If you look closely at Brown you will see that the top of his head has been removed and his brain mucked with.

    I’ve been driving through Harvard Square four times daily for the past two weeks and its all anyone is talking about.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Well add this one to the category of WTF? Spoke to a couple of friends in the LGBT community this morning and was told flat out that many gays are voting for Brown. Some are voting for him because he was a model (please, we all know why some of the boys are voting for him) but the majority of LGBT folks who are leaning toward Brown have to do with one issue — health reform. Obama has a television ad running and Clinton’s coming to town. LGBT’s are not impressed. Why? The majority of LGBT folks feel used by Obama and feel he’s done nothing in his first year worth celebrating.

    So, let’s see what the MSM does with this should Brown win on Tuesdy. This is a mandate – not on Ted Kennedy. This is the Bay State’s statement to Barack Obama. Anything less than a 60% victory for Martha Coakley is a profound defeat for Barack Obama. Democrats in Massachusetts wish Hillary was President and Martha Coakley is no Hillary Clinton.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I find it hard to believe, but another poll from yesterday, paid for by Pajamas Media and with a sample twice as large as the Suffolk Poll shows Brown leading Coakley by 15.4%.

    Dave

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Dave, when you see more Brown bumper stickers in Harvard Square as opposed to Coakley, you KNOW there’s trouble in Democrat paradise. If Martha Coakley loses this one, the Democrats here will blame her for running a bad campaign — however, behind the scenes they’re blaming Barack Obama. A Coakley win will be attributed to Bill Clinton’s last ditch effort on her behalf which will only strengthen the growing band of Democrats who are quietly considering a Hillary challenge to Barack Obama in 2012.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Well, should Brown win, all of you can rest assured that the Health Care Reform Bill will be dead. And, as I’ve noted elsewhere, the issue will be dead for at least a generation. You can all breathe easy. The status quo will remain. Hooray for your side.

    B

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Dave @ #6:

    The always-dependable Nate Silver over at fivethirtyeight.com points out that the Pajamas Media poll, which was conducted by a firm with virtually no track record and strong links to Republican causes, should be the least of Coakley’s worries.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I did mention that I was skeptical of the poll, Dr. D. I put more faith in Silas’ first-hand observations.

    As for Coakley, all the evidence suggest she has run a wretched campaign. Going negative seems to have been a major mistake and turned a lot of independents against her. Brown’s choice not to respond in kind seems to have been masterful.

    As I said earlier there’s a reason why Obama won’t be caught dead in that neck of the woods until it’s over.

    Dave

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Things in Massachusetts are very fluid this afternoon. Brown has made major gains in the polls. Democrats are divided over who’s at fault. The Obama folks are saying Coakley ran a horrible campaign. They’re right, she did. The reality of this situation is simple. Nobody voted in the Primary. Coakley won by virtue of the Democrat machine base. Once a real election rolls around, the machine can be stopped by the remainder of the voters known as undecided or Independent. The Coakley people and a few state Democrats are blaming Obama. Now we have Barack Obama coming to town because his Administration is in a complete panic and the Massachusetts Democrats are in utter chaos.

    That’s what is at stake here, folks. This Tuesday’s Special Election is turning into the Bay State’s referendum on Barack Obama and health care. That is not as it should be and our President should not have put himself into this position where he has no choice but to interrupt his stewardship to deal with a Special Election in the middle of January. I’ll be completely honest here. I do not like the fact that this entire health care debate may very well be decided here in the Bay State. It’s as bad as allowing a Senator from the Dakotas to call the shots. I’ll bet there are some incumbent Democrats who are praying that Coakley loses so they won’t go down with the ship if this reform bill passes.

    Millions upon millions of dollars are being pumped into the campaigns of Martha Coakley and Scott Brown. The question I have is where will all that money go? And how does all that money benefit the least among us here in Massachusetts? That money could have gone where it’s needed — like HAITI. So, Mass residents, if you decide to vote on Tuesday think about it. What did we get out of this deal? And, what if anything, will we get by electing either candidate? When comparing the candidates and their respective records the choice on Tuesday becomes crystal clear: none of the above. Since we do not have that choice, it makes sense to give Scott Brown two years to prove his mettle.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Steve Kornacki reports that the Coakley internal poll numbers see the AG’s support dwindling as she begins to trail GOP candidate Scott Brown. Obama, Bill Clinton and a few other surprises are in store for MA voters this weekend. The Democrat machine on Beacon Hill is in a complete panic and finger pointing is being done in back rooms. We’ll see if the Boston MSM will run with the compete breakdown.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    According to fivethirtyeight.com, the election’s a toss-up, and the advantage does seem to be in Brown’s favor.

    But there’s a little something that Obama threw out just recently – the tax on banks that took TARP funds. Seems he wants the banks to pay back the taxpayers…and the Republicans (including Scott Brown) immediately came out against the tax on the bankers. Nothing new for the Republicans, of course – they’ve traditionally chosen Big Business over Main Street.

    Even Faux News has gotten in on it. They came out saying that Obama’s intention was to impose a 15 PERCENT tax on the banks…but they were off by a factor of ONE HUNDRED because Obama had proposed a tax of 15 BASIS POINTS, or .15 percent.

    Of course making stuff up is nothing new for Fox. The really sad thing is that so many Republicans listen to ONLY Fox News, so they’ve no idea that they’re being lied to.

  • Arch Conservative

    Hey Nalle. it was reported earlier today that Obama will be coming up this way to campaign for Coakley.

    I guess Obama figures that if Coakley loses it will pretty much be over for his grand plans of healthcare reform, cap and trade what with not having 60 senate seats.

    He’s laying it all on the line this indeed may prove to be his Waterloo. How the hell does he recover if he can’t even help one of his own to victory in the bluest of blue states?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Glenn, I really think this election hinges on health care and the economy. I’m not certain, though, which is stronger. I was an ardent Alan Khazei supporter and was almost convinced to go with Coakley until this last week. Many of my friends are Democrats and members of unions. People are not happy right now with the Dems. In their minds voting for Brown stops the health care process so unions and other special interests can take advantage of a devastated White House. Dems know this term is only for two years so they can live with Scott Brown while they pick the carcass of what’s left. This is a power play for the MA Democrat Party. On the surface they’re Coakley all the way — but in the smoke-filled back rooms it is a completely different story. They’re looking toward Wednesday morning posturing and how best they can capitalize on the turnout Tuesday night. A Coakley defeat may appear on the surface as a major Democrat failure but it’s an opportunity certain factions of the party are relishing with great anticipation. I’ve even heard say that if Coakley loses it sets one of the Kennedys up to challenge Brown for the seat in 2012. Coakley is expendable by most Democrat leaders — they just haven’t told her yet.

    This entire Senatorial election process should be studied by political science majors for the next 20 years. What happens in Massachusetts on Tuesday, my friends, has a direct impact on every citizen of this great country. Scott Brown’s victory will be the foundation of a Democrat defeat in November. All of which sets the stage for a Democrat Primary for President in 2012. Forget Sarah Palin. The 2012 election could very well be Hillary Clinton vs. Mitt Romney.

  • Kenny

    Hey Glenn ever think crazy republicans dont just read fox news and might be even reading this blog???

    Hope you dont think we are that ignorant cause i am a republican! Also if Dems are so great why is the great obama poll numbers dropping like rocks!

    Read both sides, i do!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Kenny –

    Hope you dont think we are that ignorant cause i am a republican!

    If that had been my belief or intention, you would have proven my point with your comment #16.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    There are two kinds of Republicans – Republicans and the Crazy Republicans. Right now the crazies are in charge. Once the TeaBaggers create their own party you’ll see the Return of the Republicans.

  • mrdockellis

    Glenn,
    Funny how you rag on Fox news for not getting the story right when you yourself blew it. “Seems he [Obama] wants the banks to pay back the taxpayers”

    News flash – This tax is on top of the TARP which some banks have already paid back. So Evil Goldman Sachs has already paid the money back with a nice profit for Uncle Sam.

    On the Other side, does any sane person every think we’ll see a dime back from GM, Chrysler, Fannie, Freddie? Oh, but I forgot those are companies that serve largely Democratic constituencies and that means those bailouts need never be repaid.

    Share the wealth, eh comrade?

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Arch, if Obama does come up there to campaign for Coakley it’s a huge gamble. If she loses with him right there, then he loses an awful lot of credibility as leader of his party which is going to cost him in getting any kind of legislation passed. We’ll see more defections and retirements.

    Dave

  • Arch Consevrative

    There are two kinds of Republicans – Republicans and the Crazy Republicans. Right now the crazies are in charge. Once the TeaBaggers create their own party you’ll see the Return of the Republicans.

    What’s so crazy about wanting the government to stay out of your business and let you keep your own money Silas?

    Have you ever even met someone that you call a Teabagger and held a conversation with them? or do you just rely on the lamestream corporate media to do your thinking for you Silas?

    It’s all the rage at the moment to make fun of these people..calling them teabaggers….labelling them fringe…but hey you’re the one who’s part of the problem when you buy into the broken two party system that robs us all regardless if they’re doing it as Democrats or as Republicans. George Bush and Barack Obama have both done very grave damage to this nation.

    But instead of opting for the truth and trying something that is truly unique and different most Americans would rather remain ignorant and swallow the lies of mainstream politicians year in and year out as if somehow some day these power hungry politicians and they’re greedy corporate counterparts are going to wake up one morning with a conscience.

    The tea party movement is a response to the encroachment of the marriage of big government and big business into our lives. You do this nation and yourself a diservice when you belittle it because you have not taken the time to understand it Silas.

    I have not found the time to attend a tea party but I consider those who have my brethren. I am not a religious fundamentalist. I don’t hate gay people or minorities. I have a job. i own a home. I’m middle class with a mortgage. I drive a friggin 10 year old Honda accord because ti gets me where I need to go without costing me a fortune. I am still a registered Republican but voted for Chuck Baldwin last year and will be voting for Ron Paul in 2012. I am recently married and worry about the future of the economy and how I may provide for children that I wish to have. I am dismayed at the dumbing down of our culture. I try my best to treat people I meet like I would want to be treated until they give me a reason to do otherwise.

    And……….

    I’m fedup with the federal government, who is in bed with the international bankers and the global businesses taking from John Q. public to live their own lavisch lifestyles.

    I am a teabaggers if you will and it sickens and angers me to see that ceo’s can run a company into the ground and walk away with multi million dollar bonuses while an honest hard working family of 4-5 struggles. it also sickens me, because there is so much evidence to the contrary, that so many of my fellow citizens believe that if we just elect the right D or R everything will be just fine.

    Some people like the idea of having the government take care of their every last need because it is scary to have to hack your own way in the world. it scares me. But I’d still choose it any day. leave me the f alone and I’ll make a go of it myself. Our current fed government isn’t helping anyone but themselves, the bankers and the global businesses anyway.

    Am I a crazy right winger? I don’t think so. I think there are millions of Americans just like me that are fed up with the lies, bullshit, greed and corruption. They’re deomcrats, republicans independents, white, black, old, young, christian, jewish, muslim etc etc

    Currently we’re the minority as most Americans are brain dead idiots glued to the f-ing TV 10 hours a day. But it’s really disheartening that those on here, even those who I may not agree with often cannot take the time to see what the movement is really about.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Arch asks, What’s so crazy about wanting the government to stay out of your business and let you keep your own money?

    Look at Haiti , take areal long look!

    Before the earthquake there were three doctors for every ten thousand people. If you want me to get really technical then there were two and a half physicians for every twenty thousand Haitians…no infra-structure whatsoever!

    But, I understand that that is the way the wealthy liked it..Haiti, after all,was their playground!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Please Text The word HAITI to 90999 and send ten dollars to the International Red Cross. The money will go to help dig out the living and dead from the rubble, give urgent medical care to the wounded, and feed the starving people.

  • Arch Consevrative

    As usual, Jeannie responds to my post with a completely irrelevant response.

    What does what happened in Haiti have to do with the fact that 95% of the money or federal government takes from us does not benefit but rather gets used to payback special interests and keep politicians in power?

  • Jordan Richardson

    95% of the money or federal government takes from us does not benefit but rather gets used to payback special interests and keep politicians in power

    Can you back this statement up, Arch?

  • Arch Consevrative

    Do you haves 2 eyes and a brain Jordan? I was obviously generalizing but try a little common sense will ya.

    Here is just a brief list of some of the ways our stimulus money was/is to be used:

    $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

    $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.

    $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.

    $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.

    600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.

    $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities

    $125 million for the Washington sewer system.

    • $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland

    $850 million for Amtrak

    75 million for “smoking cessation activities.

    $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Please Text The word HAITI to 90999 and send ten dollars to the International Red Cross. The money will go to help dig out the living and dead from the rubble, give urgent medical care to the wounded, and feed the starving people.

    This is my way of relieving the sheer and utter helplessness that I feel for the people of Haiti and who knows?

    Maybe all of you will wake up and smell the Roses!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Don’t let my poor sentence structure fool you.

    What I lack in primary education, I make up for in INTELLECT.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    #26
    ARCH

    So what’s you’re point? I see jobs in that list.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Maybe your case would be best served if you didn’t have to “obviously generalize.”

    Now we can highlight and skim the ways the stimulus package will/may be used all we like, but I’m more interested in its possibilities.

    Looking at that brief list, it looks to be like a lot of those things have the potential to generate jobs and income. I’m not too sure how that doesn’t benefit Americans, so I guess my one eye and half a brain are going to need a bit of your help there, Archie.

    Can you explain why these ideas are bad or why they don’t help the taxpayer? You said yourself that a significant majority of the money does not benefit.

    It seems to me that a lot of things do, indeed, have the potential to benefit the country. Hollywood, for instance, generates a shitload for the economy. Isn’t it then a good idea to give them tax breaks to help enhance their ability to do business?

    As for the Homeland Security Headquarters thing, does the cost of furniture really equal half the cost of simply constructing a new facility? I hadn’t heard of this before, so I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt. Probably another dick move…

    Then there’s the money for the sewer system in Washington. That, again, seems like a pretty damn beneficial idea – especially if you’re in Washington with a shitty sewer system.

    The digital box conversion thing is bullshit. It always has been bullshit, but I can understand that it is essential for people to have television sets that work with new technology. Older people, especially, will most certainly need to be able to see emergency broadcasts and the like. I’d argue that a lot of the older people use rabbit ears and cannot afford the conversion, so the coupons keep them in the loop where they should be. The real culprit in the whole mess, at least how I understand it, is the damn FCC. Fuck the FCC.

    The Smithsonian museum facilities generates money and tourism dollars. Seems like a good upgrade package.

    The Amtrak dollars could help benefit non-auto transportation. Obama’s always been big into rail travel and I hope he continues to push that issue. Hell, he should advocate it more and help them generate more money. Unfortunately, most blogs I looked up regarding the Amtrak thing seemed concerned that it wasn’t going to be included in the stim.

    It also would seem to me that getting people to stop smoking and dying from lung cancer would certainly be a benefit to some.

    So a good portion of those things do have benefits to the general population, Archie. And whether you agree with them or not, they could help generate income and jobs for Americans.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Arch,
    This comment is specifically for you…Please Text the word HAITI to 90999 and send ten dollars to the International Red Cross. The money will go to help dig out the living and dead from the rubble, give urgent medical care to the wounded, and feed the starving people.

    Very relevant

  • Arch Consevrative

    They are minor peripherals benefits at best, all tied into the federal government in some way or anther.

    I contend that those dollars would be much better left to the private sector to create jobs.

    The government does not create wealth or prosperity. The private sector does. Every single dollar the government spends comes from the private sector or is made up from thin air by their pals at the Fed.

    Just like there is no real accountability in our pathetic elections because of the ignorant population, there is no accountability for the government when they waste our money and Jeannie and Jordan are fine with that.

    The size and influence of the federal government has gotten larger every year for the past several decades and we now find ourselves in the worst financial shape in the history of our nation but yet we still have those like Jordan and Jeannie claiming the answer to all our problems is more government.

    Admit it Jordan…you’re the president of the Lon Horiuchi fan club aren’t you.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Jordan, #32,

    This is a wonderfully expressed comment.

    Arch should thank you for adding real meat to his list…THANKS!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Once again you’ve managed to oversimplify the case and reduce it to a bland “more government vs. less government” argument. Boring and tired.

    You say, without support of any kind, that the benefits are “minor peripherals.” I won’t even ask you to back that up because it’s apparent that’s not something you do. You tout a rigid ideology and that’s all.

    The government does not create wealth or prosperity. The private sector does.

    You’ll not find a word of disagreement from me. I would suggest, however, that the government is very much in the business of arranging things “just so” the private sector can generate its wealth. Indeed, the private sector, when it’s big enough, LOVES the government and what it can do.

    The lack of accountability with government is your problem. You’re a citizen of the United States and it is up to you to enforce the accountability you desire. Instead, you hide behind, again, a rigid ideology that keeps things as simple as possible. You don’t want an effective government because you don’t demand one. You simply demand a reflection of your worldview.

    we now find ourselves in the worst financial shape in the history of our nation but yet we still have those like Jordan and Jeannie claiming the answer to all our problems is more government.

    I claim the answer to your problems is a more effective government. I’m far from a fan of the United States and far from a fan of Obama, but I recognize that I’d prefer something effective that served to benefit society as a whole over something so streamlined that it becomes ineffectual and outdated in its application.

    Your country has the tools to help the economy surge and to help generate jobs, but you’re too busy having tea parties and debating about whether people should have basic health care. Your country is so far behind the rest of us that it’s hilarious. On top of it all, you’ve got people like you who want to regress things even further back in Ye Olde Time Machine.

    Go right ahead, dude. Just don’t tell me that your interests lie in promoting success, compassion and growth as a nation.

  • Arch Consevrative

    You’re a citizen of the United States and it is up to you to enforce the accountability you desire.

    You’ll get no argument from me there. I voted for Chuck Baldwin last November. Not McCain or Obama. But it doesn’t help when 90% of the rest of America buys into the lies told by the two major parties.

    People like being told lies when those lies are comforting. “Vote for me……I’m going to change things.”

    Bullshit!

    You can critisize the USA all you want Jordan. I’m an American and often do. I guess it comes down to one’s basic philosphy of life. You obviously feel that the state should play a very large and active role in providing for the citizens’ needs. I do not. While acklowedging that no man is an island, I emphasize personal freedom and responsibility, and individuality while you emphasize collectivism and groupthink.

    I’m a cowboy…you’re a comrade.

    I like the idea of doing as much as I possibly can for myself without having to rely on the state.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Arch, I’ve tried to post a reply to your comments but the Akismet filter here at BC is being a pain. So, let me try and rid us of the “italics” problem and I will get back to you.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    What’s so crazy about wanting the government to stay out of your business and let you keep your own money Silas?

    There is nothing crazy about that, Arch.

    Have you ever even met someone that you call a Teabagger and held a conversation with them? or do you just rely on the lamestream corporate media to do your thinking for you Silas?

    Yes I have met a few self-identified tea baggers, Arch. And I’m not impressed. My impression was that they are inbred mountain people who have no way of thinking for themselves. They are sheep following their lead ram. The basic philosophy of the “tea bag” movement is something I support. Unfortunately the evolution of he same is fueled by a group of far right self serving sons of bitches. If you take FOX and the crazy leaders away from the tea bag organization, you’ve got a group ready to affect a real challenge against the current dual party system.

    And, I vehemently do not look toward American MSM for information. They are as corrupt and self serving as the majority of politicians occupying Washington today. I’ve urged people here at BC on numerous occasions to look toward alternative media sources and foreign news sources for real information. You’ll get more accurate information from Israeli news sources and even Al Jazeera than you will with FOX or NBC.

    …George Bush and Barack Obama have both done very grave damage to this nation.

    Done, Arch? They continue to do damage. I don’t place all the blame on Bush. As I’ve indicated previously no American President has done more in the fight on AIDS than George W. Bush. And this includes the current occupant of the Oval Office. The bottom line is that we have got to arrive at a point where we understand that the only way to change things in Washington is by changing ourselves. This is a metamorphosis which must occur at the grass roots level.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    The tea party movement is a response to the encroachment of the marriage of big government and big business into our lives. You do this nation and yourself a diservice when you belittle it because you have not taken the time to understand it Silas.

    I’ve been in government. I’ve been a civil service employee. I gave the tax payer a damn good return on their investment in me. I was grateful to have a job and felt that any government employee whether appointed, hired or elected had one primary mission — to deliver on the part of those who funded my job.

    In 1985 I was vigorously opposed to the unionization of a department in state government. My vocal opposition followed me when I took on another position several years later. Union management and union organizers hated my guts recalling my previous anti-union stance. It made life very difficult for me and my ex-wife. Where you are incorrect is your assumption that there’s a marriage between big government and big business. It’s no marriage, Arch. Big government is funded by big business AND big unions. They have paid off the officials WE elected to do THEIR bidding. Big business and unions are the sugar daddies to the political whores who administer government.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    I’m fedup with the federal government, who is in bed with the international bankers and the global businesses taking from John Q. public to live their own lavisch lifestyles.

    Where do we differ here, Arch? I fully agree with you.

    Am I a crazy right winger? I don’t think so. I think there are millions of Americans just like me that are fed up with the lies, bullshit, greed and corruption. They’re deomcrats, republicans independents, white, black, old, young, christian, jewish, muslim etc etc

    Arch, as our own conversation has evolved here at BC I’ve come to realize that your points of view are no so crazy right wing as they are sensible. Sometimes in our respective passions we come across as a little “nuts” but that which motivates us is quite practical and undoubtedly sincere.

    Currently we’re the minority as most Americans are brain dead idiots glued to the f-ing TV 10 hours a day. But it’s really disheartening that those on here, even those who I may not agree with often cannot take the time to see what the movement is really about.

    Gee, Arch. Where do we differ here? We’ve both expressed the same opinions with regard to the American dependence to TV.

    And, now let’s talk about the “movement”. I fully agree that Americans are angry and ready for change. What’s happening is that a sector of the corporate driven MSM has taken the baton and leads the charge. Rupert Murdoch is no fool. He’s capitalizing on that anger. He’s tapping into the passion of the rank and file and working them at a fever pitch all in the name of “reform”. But at the end of the day what will emerge? Unless this movement takes the reins away from the likes of the Christian Coalition and the MSM, it is destined to become yet another political party controlled by special interests.

    In three days I will be casting my ballot in replacing Ted Kennedy. I am as politically schizophrenic today as I was during the 2008 Presidential Election. By right my vote should go to the Libertarian Joe Kennedy because his platform is most consistent with what I believe. The problem is by voting for Kennedy, I am only helping Martha Coakley achieve her goal. So it is a matter of voting for the candidate who can realistically stop her from being the 60th vote. Again, Arch, this election for me is about health reform. We have to come up with comprehensive health reform that is not only fair but compassionate. Health care for profit must be a thing of the past.

    So, Arch, you’re not a crazy conservative Christian Far Right whacko. You’re a middle class guy who’s trying to maintain a secure, happy life for you and your family without the oppressive interference of a corporate funded government. You and I are alike more than we are apart. I don’t have a problem with that. I hope you feel the same.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Silas,

    I think you should try to get beyond the liberal-conservative categories of thought, not to mention the two-party political system – both verging on obsolescence if not irrelevance – and find common ground with Archie and some others.

    The old, stagnated terms of political discourse only hamper the discussion. We must find new ways of communicating and discovering our commonalities and hopefully, a more productive set of terms will emerge out of the discussion.

    Constant referring to the old-fashioned political terminology and means of understanding is not going to get us anywhere. It’s time to be creative and inventive in how we approach and discuss America’s and the world’s problems. The old way is a dead end.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    That’s what I’m trying to do, Roger. Unfortunately the two-party mentality is hard wired in our collective societal consciousness. We’ve got real issues that require realistic solutions. The problem is that the current political structure we have is completely ineffective and only serves a few. You’re right, we’ve got to get beyond it. We’ve got to find that common ground and above all else, we have got to throw the bums out.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Your very last statement, Silas – “. . .and above all else, we have got to throw the bums out” – goes to show how committed you still are to the old terms of discourse and “hard-wired,” as you said.

    The bums, or “the office holders,” to refer to them more euphemistically, are perhaps no kind of solution any longer.

    We’ve got to rethink our entire political and social system and rebuild it from ground up. Otherwise, as long as the system remains unchanged, it’s going to be business as usual.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Jordan,

    With all due respect, I happen to think that your response to Archie was on the flip side. For lack of vision to think progressively and in a new way, you do seem to be stuck with outmoded categories of thought. It’s not that your points and rebuttals aren’t relevant. It is rather that for some reason they fail to excite.

    I seriously think we ought to abandon the notion of recovery as based on stale ideas, whether from the field of economics or politics. We ought to start thinking globally, and to my mind, this means overhauling old categories of thought.

    What’s at stake is human renewal, a renewal from ground up. Anything short of that is a farce and mere perpetuation of the old and no longer workable system.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    It’s not that I’m committed to the “old terms” inasmuch as I am trying to communicate my desire for comprehensive change to a population which is hard wired. Roger, you’re a forward thinker. You have a keen ability to look at the big picture. You are the kind of person we need as a leader in this national debate as we find a way to rebuild a system which is completely broken.

    Well, I am out of here, folks. This afternoon I am working Harvard Square in support of Scott Brown. How ironic. A few weeks ago I was working for Alan Khazei who many regard as a “bleeding heart liberal”.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Later, Silas, and good luck.

  • Arch Conservative

    I was born int he People’s Republic of Cambridge. the one you find yourself in today Silas.

    If there is hope for Massachusetts there may be hope yet for the entire nation.

    Have you already begun to encounter the “Coakley voters” with NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago and other non-boston accents Silas?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    I’ve just returned from an interesting afternoon. Arch is quite right. The Coakley people are pulling out all the stops by infiltrating the Commonwealth with people from outside our borders. All in the name of a candidate with a uterus who happens to be a Democrat and our last hope against the evil Republicans and Dick Cheney. It’s pathetic.

    What amazes me, above all else, is the reception being given supporters of Scott Brown. There’s something in the air. I don’t think the Independents are buying the Coakley spin. I happened to be in Medford Sqaure a little bit ago on the road which Paul Revere rode horseback from Boston to Concord warning of the British invasion. In 20 minutes time I saw at least twenty Scott Brown bumper stickers and only 2 for Coakley. This was Ms. Coakley’s home turf. Just another telling sign of what may transpire on Tuesday.

    I’m not delusional. I know just how effective the Democrat/Union machinery can be. This race remains too close to call. An active Laborers’ member told me that he thought Coakley was our best shot because she fights corruption. I asked for specifics — he had none. He told me his Union leadership has been working hard for her and they told him she’ll “clean things up”. I asked him if he thought the government was corrupt to which he responded there was no doubt in his mind. I then asked him about his Union leadership. Had any member of the team ever driven a nail into a board? Had any Union leader ever worked in the dead of winter yards below the Charles River pouring concrete for the Big Dig? I then asked the ultimate question — what makes you think the Union Leadership you elected is more honest than the servants we elected in government? As you can guess it was a debate that would go nowhere. After all, he knew no better. He’s a third generation Union member. It’s all he knows.

    The thing that gives me hope, however, is that he said he would go home and look at the Federal Elections Commission database for himself. He didn’t realize just how much his own Union has spent in campaign contributions. You see, there was a nerve I hit. Times are hard. His wife is out of work. It’s tough to stretch a buck. But every week his Union takes out their share — he pays his dues. I guess he has come to the full realization that it’s time he saw for himself where the money was being spent.

  • Jordan Richardson

    You obviously feel that the state should play a very large and active role in providing for the citizens’ needs.

    Absolutely wrong. If I had my ideal system of society, it would lack the modern mechanism of government. But that would also include an awful lot of rainbows and waffles.

    Look, I’m no politician. I don’t know political science and I’m not interesting in labels.

    But this notion of telling me that because I think one particular thing it means I think a host of other things is just garbage.

    A case in point here is that because I believe that there may be some benefits to a stimulus package, I think that “more government” is the answer is just erroneous and not reflective of my views. I don’t care about more or less government; I want to see a situational government that doesn’t “lean” one way or the other and doesn’t kowtow to interest groups or lobbyists or whatever. I want a government that knows that using one rigid ideology to cover all situations is probably a bad idea and that different situations call for different solutions.

    I don’t care to lean left or right. I don’t care about more or less government. I care about effective government wherever it is and however large or small it is. If a moment or time in history calls for more government intervention to uphold the will of the people, let that be the case. If it calls for less, that that be the case. But just govern effectively.

    This idea of simply nitpicking every single ounce of legislation or every single idea to come out of a particular government because one is “ideologically opposed” is a silly way, IMO, to talk politics. In Canada we have more options to vote for more parties and I’ve always found that beneficial to both our political discourse and to our system of government. But nobody in America cries out for a third party – everyone’s satisfied with this odd sense of government worship. You all put your hopes and dreams in the government and then cry when the inevitable happens.

    Instead, why not demand more choices? Why not stop clinging to archaic modes of administering government and strive for more? What about the spirit of innovation? What about compassionate government?

    While acklowedging that no man is an island, I emphasize personal freedom and responsibility, and individuality while you emphasize collectivism and groupthink.

    I emphasize cooperation and compassionate politics. The idea of personal responsibility is something I admire, but I also know that there are situations in which government intervention and activity is called for. I want my government to work hard at maintaining a secure Canada, for instance, and I want my government to ensure fair immigration policies, fair drug laws, fair economic policies that allow all to benefit, and fair foreign policy that provides aid to nations in trouble and helps bring Canadians home when they’re abroad in locations that suddenly become dangerous. That sort of expectation from my government does not also mean that I want my government to find me a job or pay me welfare endless, nor does it mean I want my government to interfere in my sex life and take away my cigarettes.

    See, Arch, you can actually have differing views on different political notions across the board. Believing that the government should act, at times, to stimulate the economy and provide jobs does not mean that you also must believe that the government should provide handouts and invade your personal space.

    I’m a cowboy…you’re a comrade.

    Congratulations? I’m glad you consider yourself to be a cowboy and I’m glad that visual appeals to me. I’m also glad that you’ve managed to make yourself more comfortable by ascribing the entirety of my political views into one archetype. If it makes things easier, by all means do so. But don’t expect me to simply push all the “comrade buttons” just to go along with your preconceived notions of my views.

    I like the idea of doing as much as I possibly can for myself without having to rely on the state.

    Most people do, at least up here in Canada. At the same time, we understand when a government mechanism can make things easier and more inclusive for Canadians. We understand that our government, whether we agree with their political affiliations or not, can administer things like health care and emergency aid internationally and that our country can stand behind those basics. We, as a nation, can stand behind government efforts like what Stephen Harper wants to do in Haiti and we can be proud that we are being represented in such a way.

    You yourself, Arch, crow on these threads about a lack of jobs and about a lack of goodwill in the economy. Those are universal themes and they expose how far you want your cowboy ideology to take you. You are barely a cowboy, Arch, when you expect your government to provide jobs. The fact is that none of us in civilized society want to go it alone. Most of us recognize that there are times and circumstances in which we will need help. This is, again, not some sort of nanny-ish reliance on government. It is a simple acknowledgement of the truth and challenge of life.

    And that acknowledgement, at least to me, requires a more fluid understanding of the role of government and an understanding that sometimes things call for more than just an archetypal cowboy or comrade.

    Life, Arch, is just not that simple.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Roger, #43

    I’m not trying to excite, but I do and have agreed with your general philosophy. You can’t rebuild a country with a rotten core and you can’t expect to reconstruct things with outdated philosophies. You do need a fresh approach.

    But I also like to approach an issue in stages. I do happen to think that parts of Obama’s unfortunate stimulus package could work and could provide benefits if applied efficiently and effectively. I think we need to work with what we have, even if it is a rotten apple, in order to try and take care of the lion’s share of the public’s needs.

    It just comes down to the simple idea of wanting effective, compassionate leadership to prevail.

    The fact is, though, that I don’t believe in Obama for one minute. He is just like all the rest. But I also know that there are good reasons and bad reasons to hold those views and my reviews, as expressed around here countless times, have nothing to do with the good I see him doing. I do think he has some good ideas, just like I thought Bush had some good ideas and Clinton before him. But, like all Canadians, I hold a pretty simple view of politicians: they’re all fucking crooks and liars.

    So I argue theoretically. I argue for the benefits of the stim based on the theory that they’re actually applied that way because I know others are arguing on the theory that they won’t. IF, a big if, the stimulus is applied in such a way, it could serve to benefit those things I’ve outlined.

    But as I said to Arch in my other long bullshit post, life is just not that simple. I can’t “excite” with my political views on America any more than I can excite with my juggling talent. It just ain’t there.

    All I can do is present my flawed, simple point of view like the rest of the good people on these threads. And, yeah, I’ll lose my shit frequently because I tend to get heated and react before I think things through. And, yeah, I’ll say stupid shit. But at the end of the day, I’m actually okay with that because at least I admit my flaws and recognize when something’s not my area of expertise.

    Believe it or not, I’ve learned a lot from Dave, Clavos and others around here. For all my shit-talking and disrespect to those guys, I look up to them in a weird way. I wish I had, I suppose, the sort of courage to be so sure of my political convictions.

    Until I do, I’ll just keep bumbling around here like usual.

  • Public Opinion

    More than a quarter of Americans favors Obama leadership. The other quarter are so stoned they forgot they voted for him. Bad-dum-bum.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Fair enough, Jordan.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/heloise Heloise

    Dave

    I won’t be surprised if he wins. I think Republicans do it better at a local level from state on down. I really do. I know that Perry will win reelection. I may not vote this time but I’ve voted for him and split my vote to vote for him.

    Democrats have ruined a bunch of states by turning them into welfare dens. New Jersey is a perfect example. The whole state has just about moved here!

  • cannonshop

    Here’s how it’s probably going to shake down…

    If the actual votes run against Coakeley, expect recounting until enough ballots can be forged to give her the win-Mass. has been Dem (and Left Dem at that) longer than Wa. has been, and that’s become their standard-operating-procedure. (Including ‘finding’ 900 votes in a previously cleared machine in a district with only about 5000 voters total.)

    If the Republican wins, It won’t just be a “Miracle” it’ll be contested in court, until…Coakeley wins.

    The only possible way for Coakeley to lose, is if she’s somehow embarassed or pissed off the Democratic Party machinery in some way that they can’t find an excuse for. It would have to be something BIG, and this late in the game, she could be caught cannibalizing a child on national television and still retain enough party loyalty that the machine will do whatever it takes to win her the seat.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Stephen Harper, Canada’s PM, on the Haiti situaton:

    Canada in Haiti for the long haul.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Regardless of the outcome Tuesday, the Mass Democrat machine wins. Coakley loses – they blame Obama and Coakley. And, as an added benefit, they rid themselves of Coakley. Coakley wins – they take credit for rallying the troops in the 11th hour and “saving” St. Martha. The MSM can spin the election results any way they please, the Dems spin is prepped and ready to roll when the victor is announced.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/heloise Heloise

    When I was in college I was friends with a couple of guys from Haiti. I wanted to practice my French and they were nice guys. One wanted to be a doc and go back and help his country. Doubt if he ever went back. But one of the Haitians I knew actually studied in Canada and since part of Canada is French speaking it makes sense that they have connections there.

    They are doing two things that will cause problems over time: 1) opening the floodgate for Haitians to go to Canada (they also have the highest incidence of AIDS) and 2) they plan already to actually rebuild Haiti!

    I predict America under Obama will follow suit. So we will get more AIDS here as we pour aid there. Oh boy.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/heloise Heloise

    I will reiterate what I said elsewhere. The Bible predicts that the poor peoples of the southern half of this world will destroy the rich northern parts. I used to wonder how, now I see how. We will drain our funds and they will move here. Just look how peoople have opened their hearts and wallets. I do believe they did the right thing for Katrina. Not because my people were living there but because this government actually failed in its job.

    Also that there will always be poverty and it will never be eradicated on earth. I am paraphrasing. Have to find the quote.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    So we shall be overrun as though by locust?

    Rather than spreading the riches, the fruits of capitalism, to encompass the world, it’s poverty that’s going to spread and become a permanent human condition.

    A hell of a scenario.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Christ’s saying comes to mind: “The meek shall inherit the world.”

    But wait! Not so according to Gospel by Heloise.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    And what does this have to do with the Massachusetts Senatorial race? This morning Boston Mayor Tom Menino is using the race card. He’s working the Black neighborhoods this morning. One Black constituent from Roxbury told me that they’re being told people who support Brown are racist. The Democrats are desperate as Barack Obama boards Air Force One for a rally in the Bay State this afternoon.

    This is of major concern to me. Many feminists have used the gender card in the race. They’re saying Scott Brown wants to govern uteri. Now Menino is all but saying that Scott Brown is a white supremacist. What the rest of you folks don’t realize is racism is alive and kicking in the Bay State. We’re not this “Progressive”, “liberal” state depicted by the MSM. Many months ago I discussed how racism thrives in Cambridge and nobody reacted. The race, gender, homo cards are played as needed. A vote for Scott Brown is a repudiation of politics as usual, folks.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Martha Coakley is speaking in advance of Obama’s speech. She says that Wall Street must be held accountable. Gee? Isn’t Martha Coakley the Attorney General of Massachusetts? There is such irony this day. Think about it. Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Barack Obama transformed the Democrat race for President. Today Barack Obama is exhausting his political capital by involving himself in this race for Ted Kennedy’s seat. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. If we';re lucky 25% of registered voters will come out on Tuesday — and it is that 25% who will decide the course of health care reform and possibly the political fate of Barack Obama.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, Silas, if the People’s Republic of Massachusetts is turning anti-Democrat, there is no longer a safe enclave? Perhaps we do need to go through another period of reaction before we see our way of this. But you know what, how can a Republican in the White House come 2012 do much worse?

    Perhaps the people will someday wake up and face up to the fact our political system is broken.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Why are you so much against Ms Coakley? I haven’t followed the campaign at all or the politics in Massachusetts.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And how do you explain Joe Kennedy’s poor showing, in Mass of all places?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    My biggest issue with Coakley is her use of the gender card and reproductive rights. We’ve had some stellar Attorneys General in Massachusetts. Her tenure as the Commonwealths Chief Law Enforcement Officer is minimal. As she tours around the Bay State talking about holding Wall Street accountable, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. SHE, of all people, has an opportunity to do right by the people of the Bay State and go after the same thugs she claims she’s going to “get” when elected Senator.

    A couple of weeks ago, her office issued a release about a pending action against a local insurance company. It’s been a long time coming and that action alone gave me pause. For a few days I actually thought I would vote for her. But I can’t — too many other issues have fallen through the cracks. In thinking about it, Roger, I recalled her actions in the first week after Kennedy died. She might as well have been the Charmelengo taking the proverbial silver hammer to tap on Teddy’s head to assure his demise. The whole thing is just completely bizarre.

    Those Conservatives who “hate” Massachusetts had better realize something real quick. The blue mood of our citizenry is causing people to see red. Gov. Deval Patrick is in serious jeopardy. If Martha Coakley squeezes this one out, she is going to have to change water to wine in order to help the rest of the incumbents. Again, there’s such irony. The man who gave Obama the clout to be viable may end up being the same man who in death contributes to his downfall.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Not Charlemagne, Silas, but Charles Martel, aka Charles the Hammer.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, Silas, it’s the Democrats’ political machinery – via its superdelegates – that put Obama in power. I wouldn’t shed a tear to see it dismantled.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    You’re a cruel man, Silas. Making a union member actually think about what his union does. His head could have exploded.

    As for conservatives hating Massachusetts, it’s because it’s symptomatic of the failure of conservatives to reach the people who ought to be their strongest constituency. The truth is that these hard working and well paid union people OUGHT to be voting Republican and it’s incredibly frusrating to see them hoodwinked by the Democrats.

    When the Republican party was formed there were two issues it ran on, opposition to slavery and workers rights. It ws a unionist party. We need to reestablish that relationship.

    Dave

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    That’s so funny, Dave. I just got off the phone with him. He is beside himself. He had NO idea just how much money his Union was spending on political candidates. He feels like he’s been used and, for what it’s worth, he’s voting for Scott Brown now.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    It goes without saying that the Republican Party machine is less corrupt in comparison.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    And a gentle reminder – Massachusetts sent a Republican to the Senate who happened to be Black – Edward Brooke. It looks like Massachusetts is about to upset the apple cart once again. Before this is over I may convert to Christianity again.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Roger, the Republican apparatus is corrupt in different ways. The GOP listens to big money interests too much sometimes. But it’s relatively untainted by grassroots corruption. It really doesn’t rig elections or try to buy or bully voters. It may try to win an election by dirty campaigning (not Scott Brown, notably) or by outspending the opponent, but those are legitimate if somewhat disreputable tactics. What it doesn’t do is put thugs from out of state at the polls or bus in homeless people and old folks and tell them how to vote or even pay them for their votes as the Democrats do.

    Dave

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, if even Silas is supporting Scott Brown for the Senate seat, perhaps there is a need for a change. I must say this year has been a great disappointment. How much worse can things get?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Should Scott Brown prevail Tuesday, this could be the beginning of the end for the current GOP leadership. I know Rhode Island GOP officials would love nothing more. Lincoln Chaffee is running for Governor as an Independent. If the GOP is revolutionized, former Senator Chaffee could come back to the fold.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    How much worse can things get?

    Well, an earthquake along the San Andreas fault could be worse.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You mean it could revitalize the Republican party?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Only if Coburn, DeMint and Ensign are at a Promise Keepers meeting when it happens, Roger.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, let’s go for it, then. It seems our system works best when no party has a hold on power. Perhaps only then they keep one another honest.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Lawrence O’Donnell offers his take on the idea that Scott Brown may very well thwart the GOP’s plan to let health care sail through the Senate. That’s pretty much how I’ve felt as well. Most of the voters I’ve spoken with who are voting for Brown agree that they do not believe for a minute that Mr. Brown will become a puppet for the GOP leadership.

    So, if the GOP doesn’t like Brown and the Democrats don’t like Coakley why the hell is the Commonwealth of Massachusetts spending $20 million to put one of them in the Senate? Obama has just spent the last of his political capital. Special interests are pouring millions into war chests and advertising. Lights are burning into the wee hours of the morning in strategy rooms from Boston to Washington. For what? A turnout of 25% of registered voters?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Reports are Joe Lieberman to be endorsing Scott Brown tomorrow morning. It’s going to be a hell of a day in Massachusetts politics this Martin Luther King Day!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Silas, Brown has never been supported by the GOP elite. Very simply, this is a contest between the GOP grassroots as represented by the Tea Party activists and the Democrats.

    The RNC is just sitting back and watching. If Brown wins they are going to start taking the tea party people much more seriously.

    As for the Democrats, they are fighting to the death because they know that honest Republicans who actually believe in the principles of small government, free enterprise and individual liberty are MUCH more of a threat to them than the status quo insiders.

    Dave

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Silas, #15 wrote I really think this election hinges on health care and the economy.

    You sure hit the nail on the head there.

    Nothing can make the voters of Massachusetts P__s on the rest of us, and even themselves, like threatening their MONEY!

    Especially, in such an impoverished State like MASS!

    irony, wink, wink…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    One other note so pertinent to this article.

    What a clump of narrow-minded, misogynistic asses are registered to vote in that State.. her popularity with the voters sank when she sad she was a fan of the Yankees and not the Red Sox!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Remembering a great man today…Martin Luther King.

    who, If he can see us is probably proud for the most part!

    We are chugging along slowly,and still moving forward,in spite of any one groups best efforts to derail the train. chuga chuga chuga chuga. Choo Choo!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I’m not certain I agree with you, Silas, about Brown’s intentions. His voting record is about ninety-plus percent in line with the GOP. And he specifically stated he’s going to oppose the healthcare plan that’s on the table.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    The seating of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, equal pay act for women in the workplace, health care for infants and children,all the good works and accomplishments of the former Senator Tedd Kennedy, the election of President Obama… The list goes on…and on…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Good morning Roger :)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Good morning.
    Another eventful day on BC.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    my last comment disappeared! be right back

    Hi

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Coburn, DeMint and Ensign are at a Promise Keepers meeting

    Silas, That sounds awful!
    I don’t know what bothers me about the name of that…meeting ?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    You know on the surface, I really don’t have a problem with the core of the Promise Keeper message. Married men really don’t have a support system in place. Married men have issues, they even have emotions. They’re not ruled by a little blood filled wad of flesh though many feminists would have you believe the same. The problem with Promise Keepers is the management will think nothing of validating inappropriate behavior of influential members by saying that their work on God’s behalf exempts them from retribution. Let me make one thing absolutely clear – God does not discriminate. No amount of Divine campaigning exonerates a man violating his marriage contract.

    In the meantime, there’s a new twist to the Senate campaign this morning which you will not read in the MSM. It seems Catholics are lining up behind Mr. Brown — especially among members of religious orders. I heard a story this morning about how the Brown family has been instrumental in assisting a local religious order. It is said that nuns across Massachusetts pray for Scott Brown daily. Sorry, Martha, when you’ve got the Democrat nuns of the Bay State praying for the GOP candidate, you got real problems!

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Taking a break from the polls, I thought I’d come in and tell people what’s shaking. I voted this morning and was told by poll workers that turnout is much heavier than expected. The snow is coming down, but people are getting out to vote. One polling place reports a half mile stretch of cars filled with voters waiting for polls to open this morning. At another polling place in Metro Boston, I talked to an elderly gentleman standing outside in the snow with a handmade Scott Brown sign. I gave him credit for caring so much — and he replied that there was no where he would rather be. “Enough is enough,” he said, “I voted for a Republican for the first time in my life.”

    There’s a rage against the Democrat machine brewing in the Bay State. And, as much as I hope Brown emerges, I know the Democrat machine. The Coakley people are getting the voters out at a frenzied pace. They’re driving the sick, the elderly, any sucker who will swallow the poison pill to the polls. Union officials are literally tracking every union member insuring votes. All of the drama causes me to ask a couple of questions:

    1. If the Bay State Democrat machine is so efficient and effective, why can’t national Democrats get their acts together and operate the government in the same manner? Efficiency should not end on Election Day.

    2. What’s in it for Union members and other special interests who are being badgered into voting for Coakley? With the millions being spent in the last few days how will that affect our tax burden and make our government more responsive to those who elected them?

    A Brown victory tonight will lay the groundwork for a blistering off year election season. As I said to a poll worker this morning, we have no clue how our votes today will define the course of this nation for the next year. The first shots fired in the American Revolution occurred just a few miles from my house. This morning I fired my own shot in the new revolution by casting my vote for Scott Brown.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Silas,

    You say,

    I know the Democrat machine. The Coakley people are getting the voters out at a frenzied pace. They’re driving the sick, the elderly, any sucker who will swallow the poison pill to the polls. Union officials are literally tracking every union member insuring votes.

    I assume that’s accurate. However, and this may be a naive question, how will they know who voted for whom in what I assume is the secrecy of the actual voting?

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Point taken, Dan. I talked to a friend of mine after I left the voting booth – ironically she called me while I was voting and she was heading in. She asked, “well, who are you going with?” I told her I had just voted for Brown. She replied, “so did I.” Her husband was within earshot, a lifelong Democrat. He was shocked. He just figured she voted for Coakley. She was quite clear why she went with Brown citing the negative campaign ads and Coakley’s complete disconnect. For her this wasn’t about health care or Barack Obama. She figures that Brown will be more responsive if she needs to call his office. As Tip O’Neill used to say — “politics is local” — Scott Brown gets it. Martha Coakley does not.

    So, Dan, you may be on to something. The very machine that’s taking voters to the polls may be just as inefficient as a Hummer.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Yes, here we see the repeat of voters, voting against themselves in order to save a buck…what Massachusetts does not realize is that it will cost all of us in the end..you go Massachusetts!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Maybe we can send the Haitians a nice cup of tea!

    After all, that seems to be what satisfied most of you…

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Smile, baby smile

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Gosh Darn, Silas, you may be correct.

    On the other hand, accidents do sometimes happen.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Sadly, my liberal colleagues seem to have deserted the thread. It’s a shame, because here is analysis of the situation in Massachusetts which must be very depressing to conservatives.

    Oh well. Life is never easy.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Don’t worry Dan, we are still here.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Dan, we’re overwhelmingly speechless.

    There. Take that!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    It’s amazing how DM gets energized by the prospects of potential win of one Senate seat.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Doc, That’s a relief. I thought maybe my internet was filtering out stuff; with a new conservative president in Panama and what not, I was worried that the silence might be part of the vast right wing conspiracy.

    Roger — true, only one senate seat. Can’t imagine why I should be energized.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Dave, who’s gonna win? I will be watching tonight!

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    The polls are closing in 8 minutes. I’ve been all over Metro West Boston this election day and as angry as I was on Primary Day, I am so thrilled that so many people have come out to vote. The turnout is lower than we’d like but for a snowy day in January this special election for Ted Kennedy’s seat will define the course of this Democrat Congress and perhaps the Obama Administration.

    If Scott Brown wins, Obama wins because the President will be given an opportunity to make some significant changes to his agenda and the way he communicates with Congress. Perhaps he can even seize the opportunity to call his fellow Democrats out next week during the State of the Union.

    If Martha Ciakley wins it will be the MA Demo machine that succeeded and the President will be at the mercy of his fellow Democrat Leadership. He’ll be paralyzed until the third year of his Administration.

    Regardless of the outcome, I’m beginning to realize the electorate needs to look at itself not in terms of Liberal or Conservative but AMERICAN. Neither side has the answers. Both sides have issues with merit. We need a smaller government whose role is to set the rules for a level playing field in our lives from health care and banking to juris prudence; however, the ultimate role of the Federal Government is to insure domestic security.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Hey: this morning Politico had Brown up by 9!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Silas what channel are you watching?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Ooops maybe you are still in the snow.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Surfing between Channel 5 and MSNBC. Poor Keith Olbermann is about to have a cerebral hemorrhage. We’re going to wait until 8:45 – 9:00 and head to Boston depending on results. Just been advised that Brown will probably speak between 11 and 11:30. Doug Flutie’s band is playing. Ironically several state employees are on their way to Brown’s headquarters while Coakley headquarters isn’t even like an Irish wake — it’s virtually empty.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    I just tweeted that Keith Olbermann is jerk. He really went off on Brown! Have a good evening! Be safe.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    According to what we’re hearing Brown won Northampton by 59% which is the largest LGBT population in the Commonwealth. So, it looks like I was right. He has appealed to both sides of the aisle and few have fallen for the hype and lies.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Everyone has fallen for the hype and lies. Sadly.

  • doug m

    Rather baffling to see the overemphasis on one Senate seat. If the Dems buy off one Repub like they did their more conservative members, this notion that something is being accomplished will be for naught.

    Enjoy the party tonight, but don’t be surprised when you make up in the morning and nothing has changed

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Cindy, I think you’re in for a surprise. Scott Brown is far from the typical contemporary Republican. This is a guy who could lend to a GOP transformation.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Silas, #111,
    Reading this sentence really confuses me as to where you are actually coming from…

    So, it looks like I was right. He has appealed to both sides of the aisle and few have fallen for the hype and lies.

    Are you willingly voting for a liar, out of the fear of a tax on your Health Care?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Christine, Howie Carr and Dan Rae have called the race for Brown. AP may call it before Leno comes on. FOX reporters are whispering into their cell phones… rumor is FOX plans on calling it very soon.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Thanks for trying to cheer me up, Silas. But I am not interested in the GOP and politicians and Scott Brown transforming into anything but insignificant and non-influential.

    But, enjoy yourself, dude.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Silas! Coakley concedes!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    So he won, now you can all go have a cup of tea and relax…Health Care reform will still go through.:)

    Massachusetts doesn’t run the United states..

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I’ll just like to see, Silas, the transformation you’re talking about. Wait a week or two and I’m certain your tune will change.

    I realize you’re hoping against hope, but leopards don’t change their spots. There can be no such thing as rejuvenation of the conservative thought. It’s a dream.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    I am outta here. I hear Martha singing, “don’t it make my blue eyes brown…”

    Jeannie, I think you’re in for a pleasant surprise. Don’t fret. If Khazei had won the Primary, I would be celebrating a Khazei victory. Even with his support of this health care bill I would have been thrilled with him. He was the only Senate candidate that presented a good argument for the health care bill that would have made sense with his proposed modifications.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    You people need to pay your taxes!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Jeannie, I have some great Chamomile TEA! Wanna share a cup. lol

    But on a serious note, I think this is just a sign that most Americans don’t want the far left (we know what is best for America arrogance) agenda of Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

    Even the Dems and Independents would rather a more center, left America. Thank goodness, maybe we can have some balance now. But then again, I hear that Pelosi and the Dems may pull out their bag of “shenanigans” and attempt to take more of our freedoms!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Even Silas is a disappointment today. Sorry, Silas.

    I am always thinking of a bigger picture – our own citizens and the world at large. It’s too late to be thinking partisan politics and the grand old chess game. The watered-down healthcare bill is but an example of the national paralysis.

    But no. We’re continue to be selfish to the core, thinking only of how we as individuals stand to benefit from this or that piece of legislation, or how we stand to lose. That’s myopic thinking and it’s undoing us as a nation. It’s time to think on a grand, global scale. But we’re too frigging spoiled and pampered to be thinking of a greater, public good.

    Kiss her good-bye.

  • zingzing

    silas, silas, silas: “According to what we’re hearing Brown won Northampton by 59% which is the largest LGBT population in the Commonwealth. So, it looks like I was right. He has appealed to both sides of the aisle and few have fallen for the hype and lies.”

    except that 90% of those lgbt’s are college students of which a strong majority aren’t registered to vote in northampton/amherst. come on, now…

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/heloise Heloise

    My headline: Hocus, Pocus, Dems out of Focus–Or how a Newbie wins!

    Coakley was like a frozen banana, not good to eat or look at. I heard she went on vacation and mocked Scott’s truck. What a stupid broad who had no fire, and did not get it. The voters stuck it to her. Did they flip Obama the bird too?

    They say this is par for the politico course.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Coakley was like a frozen banana, not good to eat or look at.

    Classic. :-D

    Eh, Brown had better keep himself busy for the next two years, because he’ll be out on his ear after that, once the heavily blue people of Massachusetts stop grumbling and think, “What – the – #$@% – did – we – just – do?”

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    One way or another, it’s good message for the Democrats. They’ve been lukewarm, lusterless, and out of focus.

    Not that it makes any difference. It’s a black mark on both parties.

  • doug m

    What on earth are you going on about, Christine. Unless I missed something, most Americans didn’t vote in this election, so any extrapolation is pulled out of your backside. You also don’t appear to understand what the far left actually is. It’s not in relation to your place on the spectrum.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    They’ve been lukewarm, lusterless, and out of focus.

    They’ve just had no balls. You’d think with such a thumping great majority in both houses they’d be able to get more done, but they just don’t seem to want to upset anyone at all and in doing so, they’ve upset everyone.

    I can almost hear the backroom discussions:

    “So this is a healthcare bill we can run with, right?”
    “Um, not exactly. Our canvassers have found an elderly conservative Republican in Preston, Idaho who agrees with the idea in principle but objects to some of the wording of Clause 5232294.3.”
    “Uh-oh. We’d better water it down some more then…”

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I should hope so. But the far left has been left out of the Obama equation.

  • STM

    Like the Nike ad says: Just do it!!

    Thank god it got done here after all the hand-wringing and predictions. Now, no one of any political persuasion wants to see it undone.

    Politics isn’t a popularity contest.

    Well, maybe …

  • STM

    It’s big news outside America, too … I’m just working on a story now about Coakley getting rolled. First republican to hold the seat since 1946.

    Someone in the White House should take serious note of that and start doing something if they want to win another term in government. That’s pretty amazing, especially in Massachusetts.

  • Baronius

    As usual, the press has missed the real story completely. Massachusetts has been voting for Republicans consistently over the last 20 years. Sure, they’ve kept re-electing Democratic incumbents in the Senate, but the governors have been Republicans. In the last gubenatorial race, they elected Dem Deval Patrick and have regretted it ever since. Coakley has been serving as Patrick’s AG. Nobody likes either of them. The state party couldn’t have chosen a worse candidate.

    Patrick and Coakley have all the appeal of a frozen banana (like the kids say). Patrick also has an Obama-lite vibe, which is pretty impressive considering own unsubstantive Obama is.

  • STM

    Mate, come on, I’m 10,000 miles away and even I know Massachusetts is the most Democrat-friendly state in the US.

    There’s no jumping the shark here … the story is as it is: a senate seat held by the democrats since 1946 has now gone west, and worse, in a democrat-friendly state, and significantly in the first term of a democrat government that is seen to be dithering and dilly-dallying.

    Warning bells will be ringing all over Washington tonight.

    It also robs the Dems of the numbers in the senate should the healthcare bill go back for a vote should there be changes made in the House. That’s also key to understanding the depth of the disaster for Obama on this.

    Also, there are parellels for social democrats elsewhere. It sounds a warning to our own Labor Party Prime Minister in this country, who has been similarly fixated on global warming and the introduction of a giant, unfair tax impost on ordinary citizens that most of us are furious about.

    Wake-up call is how I see it, purely and simply.