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This has been a year when several states have taken up restricting picketing at funerals. At least six states have placed limits on when and where the protests can take place and similar measures are pending in at least 12 more states. Now the U. S. Congress is taking up the issue. Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., said Wednesday he plans to introduce the Dignity for Military Funerals Act, which would require protesters to stay 300 feet from a funeral and is modeled in part after similar limits in six other states, including Indiana.

According to the Associated Press:

“Bayh’s legislation would limit the area where protesters could gather an hour before and after funerals as well as while the services are under way.”

Meanwhile, Rep. Steve Buyer, R-Ind., and Reps. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., and Jeff Miller, R-Fla., announced separate plans to introduce legislation in the House that would require protesters to stand 500 feet from funerals.

“It is outrageous, appalling and indecent for an American citizen to commit perversions against a military family grieving at their loss,” Buyer said in a statement.

But attorney Shirley Phelps-Roper, a member of a small Kansas church that has protested at several military funerals, said such a measure would infringe on First Amendment freedoms.

Kansas already has some limits on protests within 100 feet, but several states and, now with this annoucement, the federal government as well, have begun to look at expanding such limits to 300 feet. The Phelps group plans to go to Washington, D.C., next month to picket Congress.

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  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Big fan though I am of free speech, funerals are pirvate events held on private property and primarily for invited guests. The idea of protestors at one is deeply offensive and keeping them 300 or 500 yards away seems more than reasonable.

    Dave

  • RedTard

    It’s really hard for me to go against freedom. Is this really enough of a problem to warrant an all encompassing law and a curbing of free speech? A very, very tiny minority of funerals are effected. The government cannot be expected to pass a law governing evey miniscule way a person can make an ass of themselves.

    I’m not arguing that protesting a funeral is right, just pointing out that being free to do only the ‘right’ things isn’t really freedom at all.

    Perhaps we should just decrimalize the ass-kicking of funeral protesters instead.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Ah, but it doesn’ t really limit free speech, it just imposes a trespassing type limitation on a private function for a temporary period. The speech is still free, it just can’t take place at a private event. You can stand outside the perimeter and say whatever you like.

    Dave

  • troll

    RedTard – * The government cannot be expected to pass a law governing evey miniscule way a person can make an ass of themselves.*

    unfortunately most governments can be expected to try to do just that

    troll

  • RedTard

    All these tangled laws we pass in a knee jerk reaction to what some nutjobs did are burying the country.

    What happens when a funeral is scheduled at a church near the 2012 Republican National Convention? Could the law be used to get rid of protesters?

    Could the people at the Rosa Parks funeral who bashed the Prez be punished under the law? I don’t know and we don’t need supreme court cases to find out.

    The guys at the Kansas church are assholes and passing an infinite number of laws can’t change that. The government is not a weapon to be wielded against those you don’t like, it is a referee who intervenes when conflicting rights are in play. The right to say something offensive in a public place should exist and probably trumps the freedom to be left in peace at a funeral. On private property it’s a whole diferent ballgame.

    If the protesters are trespassing then they should be restricted on current law, if not, then the harm to everyone’s first amendment outweighs the damage protesters do at a very limited number of funerals.

  • Naital

    It’s just government intervention to prevent one from comitting bad taste, and acting like trailer trash.

    If you come to a funeral of which I am in attendance and demonstrate, I will personally kick your ass.
    That is not a threat, it is a promise.
    Go and placate your BS on someone elses time.

  • http://www.ryanclarkholiday.com ryan

    I don’t want to be a jerk, but I’ve never seen anything more prentious or delusion as your little “about me” blurb. “Supervisor at a major regional supermarket” Give me a break.

    And the people who dance with signs on street corners should actually be referred to as “human directional advertisers”

  • http://www.tresbleu.blogspot.com Sister Ray

    Phelps’ people have been hurling invective at gays’ funerals for years. Apparently they didn’t get enough attention then, and moved to a larger arena.

  • Arch Conservative

    The right to free speech does not give one the right to harass other citizens at a private event, especially one as sacred as a funeral. A law banning protesting at funerals in no way inhibits free speech. If these protestors wish to they can protest at other locations which are public or perhaps even outside the cemetary while the funeral is going on so as not to actually ruin the funeral.

    The fact that we are even discussing this reveals the true nature of some of these radical anti-war protestors who supposedly care about the troops. If they truely cared about our men and women in military as they say they do they would have the deceny not to disturb the funerals of those who have died in military service. But they don’t. The only thing they acre about is advancing thier own agenda. In fact they hate the military and look down on anyone serving in it as some kind of brutish neanderthal to be treated with scorn. We’re talking your Code Pink, and Answer types here. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that all who express antiwar sentiments are uncaring, narcissitic, jackasses like these people. There are in fact many valid reasons a person may be antiwar. It’s just that when you do something liek protest at a military funeral or outside a military hospital you’re proving what lying, uncaring piece of shit you really are.

    If we don’t ban protesting at funerals we should certainly take Redtards suggestion to heart and decriminalize the ass-kicking of funeral protestors.

  • hawaiian_son

    America… Love it, or leave it! That’s what I’d say to those protesting the war or anything else, most especially, at military funerals.

    If you don’t like what’s going on with government, than why are you still here? Stop taking and spending US currency, stop driving American cars or trucks, stop living in your plush American home, give everything back to the country you hate, and go live somewhere else.

    It’s okay to voice your opinions, but there are limitations, and there are proper ways to ‘get things done.’

  • ss

    I could wrong on this, but I don’t think it’s the war they’re protesting. I think they’re upset with gays.
    Either way- the soldiers are private citizens, not public figures, they didn’t sign up to have their families harrassed. IMHO, case closed. No mincing over how many feet or yards. The church members can protest in front of a public building, or harrass a public figure, if they feel they must.
    And of course you shoudn’t have to die in your country’s service to earn this modicum of privacy and respect, it should have applied at the funerals of gay people all along, as well.

  • Arch Conservative

    The ironic thing is that these people protesting at military funerals are the same people who scream that pro-lifers shouldn’t be allowed to protest on the street outside abortion clinics. I guess they only believe in free speech if they agree with the speech.

  • Dr. Kurt

    Just to clarify, Phelps’ crowd are ultra-conservative fundamentalist Christians. They have no record ever of being anti-war; they just hate gay & lesbian people, and wholeheartedly believe that our soldiers deserve to die because they are defending a nation that “tolerates” (!) homosexuality. As for leaving the country, they plan to do us one better: they are part of the exodus to S. Carolina, where they plan to establish a theocracy… probably with good-old-fashioned hangin’s and lynchin’s and witch-burnin’s.
    I have to agree with Red Tard, here; why do the taxpayers have to pay to provide police protection to keep rightously indignant bikers from beating these kooks into the ground?
    Some good-natured folks simply hold up large signs/banners to block the grieving families from having to read Phelps’ goons’ placards. A civilized solution, I suppose.

  • Arch Conservative

    I was unaware of exactly whose these people were. As someone who considers myself fairly conservative I’d say these people sound like a bunch of jackasses.

    Being conservative, I oppose gay marriage but have no problem with civil unions. However I do not believe it is right to say that all gay people are completely ammoral with no redeeming qualties or value to society. I think that’s a bunch of bullshit and I would never disgrace myself or the memory of a dead person by protesting at thier funeral because of thier sexual orientation. In fact I can think of no reason to protest at someone’s funeral.

    If a gay person wants to fight for this country and put thier life on the line they should be honored and respected just as a heterosexual soldier should. However those who would oppose the don’t ask don’t tell policy that I agree with which we currently use have a lack of understanding of the military culture. The military is an organization that virtues like manliness, machism, agression and traditional sexual roles are revered and they do not want that to change. This doesn’t mean that everyone in the military is a homophobe, it just means that while they might not object to gays in the military they just don’t want the military to become a dragshow.

  • http://www.tresbleu.blogspot.com Sister Ray

    The soldiers themselves aren’t even necessarily gay. Phelps believes God is punishing America for its acceptance of homosexuality by letting soldiers die in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    There are civilian groups who volunteer to block out the protestors with flags and patriotic signs, with the family’s permission.

    Phelps is really fixated on anti-homosexuality.

  • Jet in Columbus

    It has happened in each generation, and will happen again. Our culture today is being fed by the self-righteous fundementalist community, whereby someone has to be hated in the name of “morality” in order to make people agree with their radical ideas.

    Hitler did it in World War II with the Jews, McCarthy did it with Communists, Nixon nearly succeeded when he did it against Catholics in the ’61 election, and the radical right is doing it now with Gays. All in the name of “Christianity” Each time they eventually failed, but look at the cost of each campaign, and wonder who’ll be next and if it’ll ever stop?
    It could be you or your children

    Historically, to get attention for a radical cause, you’d have to distract your subjects into thinking it’s for a noble cause instead.
    The arguments against gays in the military are just a smoke screen for these people’s blatent and immoral hatreds, and is identical in both quotes and scope to those 40 years ago against blacks in the military-including references out of the bible, and rabble rousing the Congress.

    They’d break up soldier unity and morale, and would disrupt the cohesion of the men to have the inferior blacks fighting alongside the whites. Nowadays the military is mostly black, and still the best trained and dedicated fighting force in the world. Can you imagine if the same pattern holds true in the future that we could have a mostly gay military?
    They’d do just as the blacks did and prove that they’re just as honorable and tough as anyone else.

    10 to 1 there will be a smart-ass comment to disguise any rational argument to this point.

  • Arch Conservative

    Let’s be fair Jet. You seem to believe that the only radicals in this nation are on the right. There are plenty of kook whackjobs on the left as well.

    I am a conservative, Christian, Republican and I think this Phelps character is a total nutjob. That being said I also oppose gay marriage and believe that god intended for men and women to be together and not people of the same sex. However this does not mean that I hate gay people or that I wish to do them harm. I however sick of the homosexual lifestyle being glorified and forced upon young children in the public school system. I don’t recall a time when our public schools taught about heterosexuality so why now must they teach the “homosexual” lifestyle. They couch this indoctrination in terms like “diversity” and “sensitivity.” It is not the public school systems place to teach children what values they ought to have. Instead the school system should be teaching them how to read and write, how to do math, and the history of this nation, not the revisionist crap they offer up now with an anti_American view. The public school system in this nation is a disgrace as it has become beholden to the NEA who care more about political causes like supporting pro-abortion groups than they do about providing a quality education for our children. Catholic schools spend much less per pupil in thier schools but their students on average perform much better on tests that measure things such as math skills, geographic knowledge, grasp of the english language, and knowledge of history.

    The left is currently waging a war on Christianity in this country. The ACLU supposedly sticks up for civil liberties of all Americans but this is a bunch of horseshit. They are an organization devoted to removing all aspects of Christianity and traditional American culture from society. They get thier panties in a bunch every time someone dares esposue and Christian sentiment but have no problem if someone’s promoting Islam, Judaism, Hinduism or any other religion. They routinely twist, misinterpet, and selectively apply the first amendment to this end.

    The first amendment begins “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Based on this the ACLU and other left wings zealots have seen fit to sue based on everything from children handing out candy canes in the public school with notes that say god loves you on them to children saying grace before they eat at lunch in school. The founding fathers intended for us not to establish a state religion which we haven’t done. They never intended for all expressions of religion by citizens in public to be banned. The left usually argues that it is offensive for someone to express thier christianity in a public school. First if it is the individual expressing it it cannot be logically said that school is endorsing a religion as long as all faiths are allowed to be expressed. Second I fail to see how it is offensive if a child politely expresses their religion. It’s not as if children are saying a christian prayer at lunch and then adding ” by the way all other religions are garbage.” What about what is offensive to Christians? Are only non-chrisitans allowed to object and have the rules changed because they are “offended?” Nowhere in the first amendment or anywhere else in the constitution doe sit say that people have the right to “not be offended” by anything another citizen may do that’s legal let alone by another citizen expressing thier religion in public.
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  • Jet in Columbus

    Thinking like “Arch”‘s results in “offended” squads of men roaming the streets in Asia beating women for not wearing burkas or simply showing their hair or faces.

    It’s thinking like yours that results in holy places being bombed in Iraq because other sects were “offended”

    It’s thinking like yours that resulted in “Offended” Catholics killing and beating “offended” Protestants and vice versa in Ireland just because of their religion

    Wake up “Arch”; you’re so ashamed of your own “offended” opinions that you won’t even put your own name to them.

    It’s thinking like yours that’ll eventually make Religous teaching the Law of the land, instead of the people’s will because something “offends” them.
    *********************************************
    First the “Arch Conservatives” came for the Jews, but I wasn’t Jewish so I didn’t speak out
    Then “Arch Conservatives” came for the Catholics, but I wasn’t Catholic so I didn’t care
    Then the “Arch Conservatives” came for the gays, but I wasn’t gay so I didn’t complain
    Then the “Arch Conservatives” came for the Buddhists, but I wasn’t one, so I didn’t protest
    After the Catholics and gays and Jews were marched off to the gas chambers and death houses-because the Bible (Leviticus in particular) teaches that they must be put to death for their sins, the “Arch Conservatives” began looking for anyone else who didn’t believe in their unyielding “fundamentalist” beliefs, and rounded them up to be retaught to their way of thinking, and since I didn’t agree with them, I was taken too, but there was no one left to speak for me.

    God Bless America and save it from people like you,

    Proudly,
    Jet Rendrag, Columbus OH

  • Cathy Morales

    Bravo Jet! The first paragraph of comment #16 says it all!
    Arch, you [Deleted] deserve nothing but to be ignored!
    Cathy Morales, San Diego CA

  • Brock Yates

    It’s [Deleted] “Arch Conservative” that give the words Christian and Republican a bad name. I’ve been using people like you to teach my sons what kind of men NOT to be.
    Our God is one of love, not hate, and certainly not prejudice of people that are his own creation.

    Public School is not teaching Homosexuality, it’s teaching ABOUT homosexuality-there’s a difference.
    You fear what you don’t understand, and Arch sound like he’s got a lot ignorance, which translates to fear in him.

    Cathy you’re right, comment #16 says it all

    Jet, I’d be proud to introduce you to my associates and at my church as my friend.

    Brock Yates, L.A.

  • Arch Conservative

    Cathy and Brock…two examples of what I was talking about.

    I don’t “celebrate” the gay lifestyle so I’m a “homophobe,” and I’m “ignorant”.

    Public school is not teaching about homosexuality.. they are campaigning to glorify it. This is why they use terms like “celebrate the homosexual lifestyle.”

    You people are the true ignorant ones. You claim to be tolerant of all people and then slander anyone who doesn’t agree with you by calling them ignorant or homophobes. You’re just a bunch of Chritpohobes.

    It’s people like you that hate everything that was ever traditional and decent about this country. You [Deleted] that March in lockstep with evrything the ACLU and secular progressives agenda dicatets are the ignorant minority not me.

    Here’s a little proof for you.

    17 states have had ballot initiatives on which citizens of the states themselves voted on wether or not to amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage. In EVERY state the bans passed, including liberal states like Oregon and Michigan.

    So I guess you guys would label the majority of people in these 17 states ignorant as well. The truth is I more closely represent mainstream American though and sentiment than you [Deleted] who worship at the altar of moral relativity and political correctness.

  • Brock

    Arch has deluded himself into thinking that just because he says it, it must be so! This is typical of radical right-wing fools that are convinced that not only are they the only ones who can possibly be right, but that God is on their side.

    I genuinely feel sorry for you, but must still love you because you are after all one of God’s children.

    I’m proud to call myself a Christian, you obviously aren’t, as you still refuse to put your name to your posts.

    It might be interesting to note that 17 is NOT the majority of 50 states. If this country had gone with the majority, blacks would still be slaves.

    IF WE’RE GOING WITH A MAJORITY HERE, IT MUST BE NOTED THAT GEORGE BUSH ONLY HAS A 30% APPROVAL RATING-what’s that do to your argument?

    As I recall the majority of Germans went along with Hitler too, and slaughtered millions of Jews, does that didn’t make it right?

    The majority of people are right handed, it used to be that any left-handed person was considered perverted and evil!

    As for the ACLU, if it weren’t for them, you wouldn’t be able to put your hypocritical words on this page! If it weren’t for the ACLU churches would be taxed for the billions they take in from the poor, only to turn around and use it to fund the Republican Party.

    I am ashamed that there are Americans like you.

    I agree with Cathy, your long-winded self-serving, hate-mongering prostelizing deserves nothing more than to be ignored.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    This is typical of radical right-wing fools that are convinced that not only are they the only ones who can possibly be right, but that God is on their side.

    Pretty similar wo the radical left-wing fools who are convinced that they are the only ones who can be right because they care about everything more than anyone else.

    I’m proud to call myself a Christian, you obviously aren’t, as you still refuse to put your name to your posts.

    So your full and legal name is ‘brock’? Kind of like Madonna?

    Dave

  • mysterymeat

    Arch-conservative: I like that, it means that you consider yourself to be a “superior” conservative. Better than all those run-of-the-mill conservatives (before you launch a counter-offensive, look-up the meaning of “arch” please). And an Arch-enemy of sanity and logic? All this religious mumbo-jumbo is based on the huge assumption (and improbability) that there is a god and that he is on your side. Doesn’t the Bible warn against hubris? and promote humility?

    Well, maybe not your Bible, yours promotes intolerance and self-righteousness. What if Kurt Vonnegut is right, and it is “presumptuous to think that somebody up there likes you”?

    Being a dissenting-opinion-rageaholic must be a full-time job for you (where do you find the time to manage that major supermarket), because I imagine a great many people disagree with you.

  • RedTard

    Oh those evil religous nuts. Luckily the secular world has great leaders not bound by god like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

  • Arch Conservative

    I chose to use the word Arch in my name as I believe I am more of a true conservative than some of those who claim to be conservatives today and blindly follow the president and others in the gop just because they are in the right party.

    The bible does not condone homsexuality just as it does not condone murder so if I believe that murder is wrong does that mean I am “intolerant” of murderers?

    I don’t know where you get the idea that my opinion is dissent. Dissent from what? The politically correct, leftisit, propaganda that has crept into this thread in the last several posts? Do you critisize “rageoholics” on the other side or do they get a pass because you more often than not agree with them.

    When so called progressives say “tolerance” what they really mean is acceptance and glorification. I don’t expect anyone to be Christian or share all of my views just because I am Christian and I ahven’t used derogatory terms in describing homosexuals in my posts. The homosexual lobby however uses all kinds of such remarks at the drop of a hat toward anyone who disagrees with them. They don’t want tolerance they want acceptance from every member of American society regardless of what each individual may hold as thier belief system. They don’t really care as long as they get thier way.

    I am tolerant of homosexuals but that does not mean I must accept thier lifestyle and celebrate.

    I don’t care what the Brocks or Cathy’s of the world think and say about me because I can see what’s going on with my own two eyes in America’s educational system. Homosexuality, non-Christian religions, anti-American sentiment, radical feminism, sexual promiscuity and other items on the leftist agenda are all being promoted while anyone who dares express Chrisitan or conservative views is riduculed and treated with nothing but contempt and scorn by the so called “tolerant” progressives who use any tactic they can to silence those who would have such gall.

    Brock, Jet, Cathy, and thier ilk can say I’m making this up all day long but that doesn’t change the fact that it is true. One need only visit a college campus to see how true it is. College campuses claim to be center of intellectual thought in the pursuit for truth but they have devolved into nothing more than leftist indoctrination camps where the thought police that comprise the faculty and administration summarily dimiss anyone who doesn’t tow the leftist line. There is virtually no objectivity on today’s college campus in America. Very seldom are both sides presented or given the opportunity ot present themselves.

    There are countless examples of liberals at universities who are the self proclaimed “champions of free speech” causing such a ruckus every time a right of center guest is invited to speak that the speaker’s invitation is ultimately rescinded. I am unaware of conservatives on college campuses doing this to guest speakers who happen to be liberals. If anyone reading this post is aware of a case I’d be more than interested in learning about it.

    I am sure this, my most recent post, will illicit some my cries of my ignorance and the moral superiority of those who have already critisized me on here but if there’s no truth to anything I say why do they even bother with me?

  • mysterymeat

    Why honey, Hitler was a Catholic & a Christian:

    In a Reichstag speech in 1938, Hitler echoed the religious origins of his crusade. “I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

    amen?

  • RedTard

    Also Hitler quotes:

    “National Socialism and religion cannot exist together….”

    “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity….”

    “The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity…. ”

    “Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse…. ”

    “The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.”

    “Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the
    instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.”

    “Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity…. My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold .”

  • RedTard

    Please, I thought yours was the side of science and logic. A tiny fraction of world leaders have been non-religious or actively hostile towards it. Of these, the four greatest genocides have been created. You do the math.

  • RedTard

    Just a note, I’m not one of theose religious nuts. At best I would be considered agnostic, on a bad day atheist. I simply get irritated when the left, in complete hypocritical fashion demonizes religion while simultaneously accusing the right of demonizing groups.

  • Brock Yates

    Uh Dave-Look at #20 for my name- [Edited]. Clear to see you have no idea what you’re talking about

  • Arch Conservative

    No sense in trying to reason with this mystery meat character redtard. He refers to Christianity as “religious mumbo jumbo” because it is apprently not scientific enough for him.

    I guess he feels much better in the beliefe that we everything came from the big bang. One minute there was nothing at all in existence and the next there was the universe. No rhyme, no reason. Just a big bang. Mumbo jumbo?

    Also mysterymeat, like most atheists hostiel toward anyone of faith assumes that belief in religion and belief in science are 2 mutually exclusive concepts. I myself believe in God and science. Most christians I know do as well.

    It has been my experience that there is a striking difference between your avergae american christian and your average american atheist. It seems as if atheist are much more hostiel toward christians than christians are toward atheists. Notice mysterymeat calling my beliefs mumbo jumbo but I have not actually demeaned anyone who is non-christian or atheist in any of my posts. He uses a typical tactic. Singling out a bad apple, in this case a very bad apple for dramatic affect, Hitler, to imply that because Hitler may have expressed Christian vies at some point, the whole religion is evil and a threat to mankind. Mother Theresa was also a chrsitian mystery… do you know anything about her life? Do you want to throw her and Hitler in the same category?

  • Kyle

    Arch! You’re not going to get any where until you realize that these novels you’re writing aren’t being read past the first couple of paragraphs… if that.
    Make your point quickly or move on before you lose your reader.
    I frankly am bored to death with you.
    Your opinion becomes fact only because you say so.
    The world is flat because you say so
    Everyone is wrong because you say so
    the left is wrong the right is wrong
    Your nose is so far up in the air, I’m suprised it’s not sunburned. Climb off your high horse and stick to the subject.

    Our gallant soldiers don’t deserve the crap that Phelps is doing at their funerals-end of statement.

  • Arch Conservative

    My opinions?

    OK Kyle why don’t you explain to me the reality of the culture that dominates the American educational system today?

    Set me straight. tell me how it really is

  • Kyle pretending to be Arch Conservative

    HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT I DON’T KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!!!! I am the all-knowing all seeing voice of GOD you Fools!!!

    You must bow to my opinion, for I am the only one on this earth who who knows what is right.

    I shall strike you down (or at least bore you to death) if you disagree with me.

    Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain Dorothy!

    I have spoken!

    [Kyle: Impersonating other people is grounds for banning around here. This is your warning. Comments Editor]

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Uh Dave-Look at #20 for my name-[Edited]. Clear to see you have no idea what you’re talking about

    Odd, I was responding to #22, not #20. I thought that seemed pretty obvious since I quoted it and all.

    And Kyle, nice job posting under AC’s name in #35.

    If this is the best you people can do, AC wins the argument.

    Dave

  • Kyle, Dave and Archie

    How DARE you imply we don’t know what we’re talking about! Do you KNOW who you’re dealing with here? WE are the ONLY voices of sanity and reason that exists on this earth and you mere mortals have no cause to doubt us, for we know better than you what must be done in order to save all of you from your own ignorance!

    OUR opinions is the ONLY ones that counts, because OUR word are backed up by the ALMIGHTY God, so you better not fool with US!

    If Archie says the democrats are FOOLS than they are Fools
    If you disagree with Dave then you are FOOLS to, and we shall sentence you to eternal damnation for even DOUBTING that all words out of our mouths AND OUR MOUTHs ALONE are the right ones. By the very definition, every word that comes from our keyboards is FACT.

    So there….ptht t t t t t t t t t t t t t t !

  • mysterymeat

    Notice mysterymeat calling my beliefs mumbo jumbo but I have not actually demeaned anyone who is non-christian or atheist in any of my posts. He uses a typical tactic. Singling out a bad apple, in this case a very bad apple for dramatic affect, Hitler, to imply that because Hitler may have expressed Christian vies at some point, the whole religion is evil and a threat to mankind.

    Well, you are the one who said it actually. I was merely trying to illustrate the philosophical syllogism, that not all monsters are godless, and not all atheists are monsters.

    And as a sidenote, I actually believe that ALL organized religions are the root of all evil in the world – just look around you honey.

  • RedTard

    “I actually believe that ALL organized religions are the root of all evil in the world”

    Then logically you must consider communism a religion or genocide not to be evil. Then again, considering your comment logic may be wasted on you.

    Also, the evidence that Hitler was Christian is very flimsy. Note the numerous quotes where he looked forward to it’s destruction. There are a few where he briefly mentioned god, perhaps to play to his audience. A politician would never sink so low as to pretend to be religious to appeal to the religious base, would he?

    So again, if religion is the ultimate evil then explain why the 5 of the 6 largest genocides in the twentieth century have been committed by 4 atheists and 1 person who claimed Christianity was history’s greatest scourge?

    Or simply ignore scientific facts and continue to spout propaganda.

  • http://jpsgoddamnblog.blogspot.com JP

    I’m on the side that prefers not to criminalize this, it sounds too much like a Bush campaign “Free Speech Zone” Orwellian mindfuc* if you ask me. RedTard, that’s where you’re going with your suggestion, and I agree with you.

    At the same time, protesting at a funeral is despicable. Give the soldiers the respect they deserve, whether or not you agree with the cause they were SENT to fight for–it’s a policy and political decision they didn’t make.

    Hawaiian_Son, for that reason, I oppose vigorously your “love it or leave it” black-or-white bullshit. “Love it or make it better” if you ask me. I don’t like some of the things America is doing right now, but I haven’t given up, I don’t “hate” America, and I’m not going ANYWHERE.

    And AC, I think it’s the people planting BOMBS at abortion clinics that draw the most opposition.

  • Arch Conservative

    Yeah well there are over 1 billion Chrisitans in the world and the number of clinic bombers you can count on one hand.

    For one to believe mystery meat tehy’d have to believe that organized religion does nothing but harm society and this just isn’t true. The amount of help that christian charities and organizations provide to citizens in this country far outweighs any harm that they may do.

    Again I am not so insecure in my own convictions that I feel the need to lash out atheists but I am sure mystery will continue his inane and degrading ranting about people of faith.

  • Dave Nalle

    Then logically you must consider communism a religion

    I certainly consider communism to be the equivalent of a religion. Any philosophy or political ideology which is inherently illogcial and to which people adhere fanatically is functionally the same as a religion, and in fact they often acquire many of the characteristics of a religion, like the cult of personality associated with people like Mao and Lenin or the ritualism and ceremonial aspects of Nazism.

    Dave

  • St. John

    Any time you see great harm being done, you’ll notice the word “fundementalist” shows up, be it Moslim, Christian, Islamic, Jewish.
    Why do you think that is?

    To quote Jet in Columbus-“It has happened in each generation, and will happen again. Our culture today is being fed by the self-righteous fundementalist community, whereby someone has to be hated in the name of “morality” in order to make people agree with their radical ideas.”

    The comedy team of Archie and Dave, just seem to prove that, since the topic seems to be funerals for innocent soldiers being ruined by radical fundementalists waving signs about an issue that had absolutely nothing to do with their deaths in order to incite hate.

    You’d think they had nothing better to do than lurk about waiting for anyone to post anything so they could scream and shout like the fundementalists making fools of them selves raging in Bagdad right now!

    Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
    RIGHT ON!!!

  • MCH

    Re #43;
    Dittos, St. John.

  • St. Mary

    It’s not enough that our soldiers sacrificed their lives on a false prophet’s words (WMD) without having to suffer the indignity of those immoral jackasses waving hate signs at their funerals?

    Excellent Point there St. John verse 43! and kudos to Jet verse 18

    Congrats to Kyle, who somehow got Arch to limit himself to only 3 paragraphs!!! Let’s see how long that lasts?

  • Bravo to 35 & 37

    I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair!
    St. John-you hit it right on the nail.
    Maybe the dorks who burned down the churches in Alabama should’ve gone after Phelps’ He deserved it more.

    I’m going to giggle for a week after reading #s 35 & 37

  • Dave Nalle

    Ah, St. John. [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

    Dave

  • St. John

    [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

  • http://kevinsview.com/ Kevin Surbaugh

    to all you people that don’t realize it…the Phelps are Democrats….Al Gore stayed in Phelps home…which he now regrets since Phelps began his anti-gay picketing.

    in regards to #24, where did your coment come from:

    Being a dissenting-opinion-rageaholic must be a full-time job for you (where do you find the time to manage that major supermarket), because I imagine a great many people disagree with you.

    since I hadn’t shared my opinion on this story, I am currious how you would call me a dissenting-opinion-rageaholic? I am sure a lot of people desiagree with my opinions, however many of them respect my opinions.

  • http://kevinsview.com/ Kevin Surbaugh

    Arch Conservative had it right in #17, but seems to have gone off the deep end dince:

    That being said I also oppose gay marriage and believe that god intended for men and women to be together and not people of the same sex. However this does not mean that I hate gay people or that I wish to do them harm.

  • http://kevinsview.com/ Kevin Surbaugh

    In the 1980s, the Phelps family were strong political allies with then-senator Al Gore. The home of Fred Jr., Phelps’ eldest son, located in the Westboro compound, acted as Gore’s campaign quarters for one of his senate races, and the Westboro compound was host to a fundraiser. Numerous photos exist on the internet of Fred Phelps Jr. and his second wife, Betty Phelps-Schurle, posing with Al and Tipper Gore in Phelps Jr.’s home. Phelps also served as a Gore delegate on the floor of the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta in 1988.

    From wikipedia

    Why a TN Senator had headquaters in KS is beyond me.

  • Dave Nalle

    Well, St. John AKA St. Mary AKA Dave and Archie AKA Kyle AKA Brock Yates AKA Bravo AKA Cathy Morales AKA Jet in Columbus AKA Arch Conservative (for one post anyway), you seem to have some serious problems with multiple personality disorder and holding conversations with yourself.

    I particularly like comment #45 where as St. Mary you congratulate yourself as Jet, Kyle and St. John on your brilliant previous comments. Is singing your own praises the only way you [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor] can get any gratification?

    As for deviating from the topic, I already said my piece in the first comment.

    Dave

  • St. John

    An interesting theory, however wrong. Just another example of lumping everyone together that you don’t agree with… On that premise, that must mean that Dave Nalle and Arch Conservative are one and the same?

  • http://jpsgoddamnblog.blogspot.com JP

    Kudos to #43 St. John, couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • St. John

    To the Comments Editor, you are right, this forum is no place for sarcasm considering the subject matter. With no sarcasm what so ever-I apologize.

    A certain amount of anger is involved when brave innocent soldiers are losing their lives, after being drawn into a war under false pretenses, only to have their families suffer the indignanties of fundementalist Phelps’ hate signs at their heartbreading funerals.
    My honest anger comes from people playing “bait and switch” with Kevin’s original subject, by posting similar messages to the ones posted on Phelps’ signs on this string…
    I refer you back to #43, and promise to stay on subject in the future…

  • Arch Conservative

    I think we are all in agreement that what this Phelps guy is doing is disgraceful.

    That being said I’d like to address the untrue hackneyed “false pretenses” remark made by St. John.

    War under false pretenses?

    So let me get this straight…..

    Bill Clinton Believed Sadam had WMD…..

    British intelligence believed it……..

    John Kerry believed it…………

    The CIA believed it……….

    Russian intelligence believed it……….

    The current administration is the only one who did anything about it and they’re a bunch of liars who “led our soldiers into a war under false pretenses.” Everyone else gets a pass.

    Despite the fact there is no proof that the administration had different intelligence from all of the other parties I mentioned and in fact disregarded that information and lied to the American public it does not keep people liek St. John from repeating it over and over.

    I am sure what I just said will lead some to label me as an ignorant blind Bushie or something similiar but that is not the case. I just find it more logical to think that the Bush administration did not lie about WMD’s given that British Intel, the Clinton Administration, Russian Intel, the CIA , and most American Congressmen also believed Saddam had them as well. This, coupled with Saddams track record of gassing Kurds and Iranians seems to point the logical conclusions that all of this intel about WMD’s was more than likely accurate.

    Seems logical to me. But then I’m not hell bent on tarnishing anything the current administration does at all costs.

  • Cathy Morales

    Arch, would you please explain what the $%&^%# that has to do with Phelps and his signs?
    Jeez!

  • Arch Conservative

    Cathy, [Edited] you would have understood that I was responding to something said by St. John.

  • Bored

    Kevin, I’d suggest you delete this whole thing and start over again. You made a very good point which was consice and to the point, but Mr. Conservative appears to believe that this is his forum and not your’s… (:-( since his personal attacks seem to be the only ones that AREN’T sensored by your comment moderator, your very good words are lost in and amongst his rather lengthy boring sermons.

    You’re a good man Kevin…

  • Biker

    Wearing vests covered in military patches, a band of motorcyclists rolls around the country from one soldier’s funeral to another, cheering respectfully to overshadow jeers from church protesters.

    They call themselves the Patriot Guard Riders, and they are more than 5,000 strong, forming to counter anti-gay protests held by the Rev. Fred Phelps at military funerals.

    Phelps believes American deaths in Iraq are divine punishment for a country that he says harbors homosexuals. His protesters carry signs thanking God for so-called IEDs — explosives that are a major killer of soldiers in Iraq.

    The bikers shield the families of dead soldiers from the protesters, and overshadow the jeers with patriotic chants and a sea of red, white and blue flags.

    “The most important thing we can do is let families know that the nation cares,” said Don Woodrick, the group’s Kentucky captain. “When a total stranger gets on a motorcycle in the middle of winter and drives 300 miles to hold a flag, that makes a powerful statement.”

    At least 14 states are considering laws aimed at the funeral protesters, who at a recent memorial service at Fort Campbell wrapped themselves in upside-down American flags. They danced and sang impromptu songs peppered with vulgarities that condemned homosexuals and soldiers.

    The Patriot Guard was also there, waving up a ruckus of support for the families across the street. Community members came in the freezing rain to chant “U-S-A, U-S-A” alongside them.

    “This is just the right thing to do. This is something America didn’t do in the ’70s,” said Kurt Mayer, the group’s national spokesman. “Whether we agree with why we’re over there, these soldiers are dying to protect our freedoms.”

    Shirley Phelps-Roper, a daughter of Fred Phelps and an attorney for the Topeka, Kansas-based church, said neither state laws nor the Patriot Guard can silence their message that God killed the soldiers because they fought for a country that embraces homosexuals.

    “The scriptures are crystal clear that when God sets out to punish a nation, it is with the sword. An IED is just a broken-up sword,” Phelps-Roper said. “Since that is his weapon of choice, our forum of choice has got to be a dead soldier’s funeral.”

    The church, Westboro Baptist Church, is not affiliated with a larger denomination and is made up mostly of Fred Phelps’ extended family members.

    During the 1990s, church members were known mostly for picketing the funerals of AIDS victims, and they have long been tracked as a hate group by the Montgomery, Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project.

    The project’s deputy director, Heidi Beirich, said other groups have tried to counter Phelps’ message, but none has been as organized as the Patriot Guard.

    “I’m not sure anybody has gone to this length to stand in solidarity,” she said. “It’s nice that these veterans and their supporters are trying to do something. I can’t imagine anything worse, your loved one is killed in Iraq and you’ve got to deal with Fred Phelps.”

    Kentucky, home to sprawling Fort Campbell along the Tennessee line, was among the first states to attempt to deal with Phelps legislatively. Its House and Senate have each passed bills that would limit people from protesting within 300 feet of a funeral or memorial service. The Senate version would also keep protesters from being within earshot of grieving friends and family members.

    Richard Wilbur, a retired police detective, said his Indiana Patriot Guard group only comes to funerals if invited by family. He said he has no problem with protests against the war but sees no place for objectors at a family’s final goodbye to a soldier.

    “No one deserves this,” he said.

  • Brock Yates

    Enough with the attacks on Kevin, already! The man has the right to express his opinions, and to have them respected by others. I consider myself to be a good Christian, Husband and Father. I am not as far to the right as Mr. Surgaugh appears to be nor am I as far to the left as the “Arch” seems to think I am.
    To start religous rants, to make jokes, to poke fun at other’s posts just takes away from the seriousness of Kevin’s writing, and for all of you I say this.
    Go start your own forum and leave this one alone!
    Sitting around waiting to pounce on anyone who disagrees with you (out of some need for smart-alec attention) is flat wrong, childish and hateful…
    Just as the sign-carrying freaks spouting hate are.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    An interesting theory, however wrong. Just another example of lumping everyone together that you don’t agree with… On that premise, that must mean that Dave Nalle and Arch Conservative are one and the same?

    Except, of course, that AC and I have different IP addresses and you and your pseudonyms are all connecting from the same computer. I suppose you could be holding a party of friends and they’re all posting from your home, but I think my theory is more believable.

    Dave

  • Problem with your theory

    So sorry you’re wrong Dave, none of the above is the correct answer-I run a forwarding service for people who don’t want their IPs revealed. They send to me-I post them. None of the people identified use this e-address.
    You’re not as smart as you think you are.
    Which went without saying.

    I believe this is in response to a personal attack, however the comments editor seems to be a little one-sided on this issue as you can see by what’s been edited and what hasn’t.

    IT’S TIME TO GROW UP KIDS!!!

  • Forwarded

    I believe the subject was soldiers funerals?
    Not personal attacks.
    Brock Yates

  • http://jpsgoddamnblog.blogspot.com JP

    Arch, re: false pretenses – If I remember correctly, Clinton was operating on the premise of keeping Saddam contained. Bush decided we should go to war, and did. Had we continued to contain Saddam, we might not be involved in trying to prevent an all-out civil war, after destabilizing a country without a plan to reinforce it.

  • mike stuiut

    these protesters r right wing fanatics not antiwar protesters who only alienate people who might actually agree with what they are saying. the protests are disgusting and some way should be found not to trample the 1st admendment while allowing a grieving family the right to a dignified funeral for there lovede one.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Containing Saddam? You mean. containing him while he plots to assasinate former American Presidents? As screwed up as it sounds…Chappelle had it right…MF tried to kill my father man!!!

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    So sorry you’re wrong Dave, none of the above is the correct answer-I run a forwarding service for people who don’t want their IPs revealed. They send to me-I post them. None of the people identified use this e-address.

    That’s about the weakest excuse I’ve heard for posting under multiple IDs I’ve heard yet. If you actually did this you’d also have the ability to generate different IP addresses to go with the postings. And for that matter, why would your mutual admiration society need to have their comments forwarded from one central address? It doesn’t pass the test of common sense.

    Dave

  • Forwarded

    The fact that you can get away with such remarks as the one above, has tainted this website’s ability to post fair and honest opinions without fear of retribution, and with you’re influence, I fully expect this post to vanish at almost the moment it appears since you seem to be on staff here and are a regular contributor…

    From your mouth to God’s ear Dave.

    You are bound and determined to DISTRACT attention away from any valid opinion that you and Arch disagree with by posting such rants as the above-especially one that makes a good and valid point that you can’t argue with without using sarcasm or a 10 paragraph sermon.

    I’m just a guy sitting behind a computer. No techno savvy, no advanced computer skills, just a few friends and relatives across the country who don’t want to be spammed by using their own computers to post here. Some of their opinions I don’t even agree with, but they’re faithfully cut and pasted just so you can rip them apart with your sarcasm. Obviously since you’re on staff here, and after researching your other posts and comments everywhere on this site, it’s useless to reason with you.

    Here’s a question for you-considering my aledged multiple personalities, if your theory is true, wouldn’t I use just one name all the time so I could get onto your derby list of “most comments”?

    If you can’t believe a friend doing favors for others nationwide by cutting and pasting, e-mails they’ve sent me to post here, you’re the one with a weak heart.

    I can see why your “personal attacks” are rarely sensored by the comments editor, because you probably ARE the comments editor. Reading your bio, I can also understand why you and Arch Conservative seem to be joined at the hip, and how you seem to have the ability to immediately dive in and saturate any opinion that so much as strays slightly from your own to the point of boring anyone who tries to read it. Just look at the “Most comments” list! You two guard constantly to make sure you can overide anyone who disagrees with you as soon as it’s posted!

    On behalf of Brock, Cathy, Biker, Jet, Kyle, bored, St. John, St. Mary and many others who’ve posted here through me, We feel sorry for you.

    I will pray for your tortured soul and you have forever sabotaged the ability of this site for anyone to post an honest opinion without fear of attack.

  • Forwarded

    To the “Comments Editor”, this is written to you personally. As you know one post usually represents many who figured it wouldn’t do any good to say anything and just give up. Consider the frustration others feel, and their decisions not to post, much less read or visit this site because of being overridden or attacked by Dave Nalle and Arch Conservative the moment anything they don’t agree with is posted.

    I speak here for a lot of people, and not just “voices in my head” as Dave as so sarcastically accused me of…

  • troll

    Forwarded – cut the crap

    BCers pull less editorial shenanigans than any forum I’ve followed

    (kudos to the Alien for finding his biased balance)

    anti-up with argument or

    take your multiple personality disorder off my bridge

    troll

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy in Jerusalem

    One of these days, troll, you should try gobbling up one of the problems cluttering your bridge… You might accomplish wonders..

    Just be wary of old Jewish goats from Israel. o);-)>

  • Forwarded

    Troll, I refer you to item #43 in which he was on subject until others lept on it. the Proof is the above 10 or so personal attacks, WHICH HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT OF THIS FORUM but meant only to distract an argument that they can’t find a logical conclusion for…

  • troll

    Forwarded – the fact is that you have commented under more than one name (or at least made it appear so) on this thread causing much of the distraction – stop your whining

    in the interest of openness why don’t you list the aliases that are yours and which names are your ‘clients’

    as for your fear of editorial bias…Nalle – AC – and Brock are the most edited on this thread

    as for ’10 personal attacks’ – I’m not seeing them…we must have different ideas about what constitutes a personal attack

    I often find Dave’s approach to argument frustrating but that’s my problem not his…

    troll

  • http://alienboy.wordpress.com/ Christopher Rose

    Forwarded: I believe I’m just about walking the fine line between allowing enough intelligent and passionate debate to develop and letting things degenerate into a bar brawl.

    As to Mr Nalle, well, he has his views and he’s of course perfectly entitled to them. He is a bit persistent sometimes and not half as free or fairminded as he likes to think, but there is no requirement for that. He gets as good as he gives in many a debate on here and I for one often enjoy the show.

    I do my best to ignore the source of the comments and simply focus on the spirit of the comments guidelines and only edit or delete when I feel it necessary. I don’t really care if it’s our founder Eric Olsen or a passing stranger making their first comment, if it’s across my line, it’s going.

    Returning to the topic of this post, the author himself has not yet complained about the meandering debate so I think we’ll just accept that conversation, like water, finds its own way.

    My two centimos, the protests seem another sad indicator of how increasingly polarised public and political expression is becoming.

    I find it very sad that some people have become so frustrated with current political trends as to need to bring the argument to that most poignantly tragic of occasions, a family funeral.

    Regardless of the politics, it’s a crass and insensitive move that can surely do no good, whilst adding to the terrible sense of loss of the surviving family members.

  • Forwarder

    Okay, thanks Mr. Rose, nice to hear a voice of reason and a cool head.

    I have a backlog of responses, none of my own. If however I do have a comment, I’ll henseforth use the name “Forwarder”

    Biker responded to Ruvy with an enthusiastic “Amen!”

    Cathy did the research on Dave’s other posts and is responsible for the “personal attacks” toward his political and religious leanings, which I would not post.

    Jet in Columbus began fuming about gay rights-not special rights, and had a few choice words (unpostable) about Phelps.

    As for myself, I agree with Brock about the only one suffering from this whole mess are the soldiers, and while it’s true they volunteered to go, they don’t deserve what Phelps is doing to them and their innocent families.

    Signed Forwarder

  • Nancy

    I’m a little surprised that none of the families targeted by these assholes have taken steps to go pummel the crap out of any of them. Is this the case, or has someone actually gone after any of them? My own inclination would be to pick up the nearest rock with the intention of applying it to the nearest available fundamentalist skull.

  • Forwarder

    Nancy, the trouble with that is two fold. It’d give Phelps more publicity than he deserves. The rock thrower would wind up in jail instead of Phelps.
    He’s counting on that to get attention.
    Forwarded from
    Biker

  • Arch Conservative

    Why is everyone on this sight so thin skinned? I am personally attacked qutie often and I don’t really mind as long as the personal attack does not contain personal information and death threats or anything of that nature and is accompanied by a somewhat articulate response to something I said.

    Everyone on here needs to lighten up with personal attack hoopla. So what if someone thinks your an idiot. As long as they’re not calling you an idiot and then saying I know where you live and I’m going to come kill you in your sleep. If they call you an idiot just respond to them with your argument regarding the topic of the thread and explain to them how they are the idiot and not you.

    With regard to Dave Nalle tracing IP’s…. Considering he has posted his bio and personal info on this site and is a regular poster I do not think he is looking to screw with anyone’s computer or this site. I think he was just providing proof of who it was that was pretending to be and posting a bunch of nonsense. What’s worse.. Dave pointing this out or someone doing it? I would think that the one thing BC editors would be concerned with is the unathorized use of screen names. Maybe a free registration/password system would solve this.

  • MCH

    Comment #47 bears repeating:

    “Ah, St. John. [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

    Dave”

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    This may be the most retarded discussion of all time on BC. Let me summarize.

    No one posting disagrees with the original article. No one has posted in support of Phelps. Then Forwarded AKA 20 other people comes in and starts attacking AC and myself for no apparent reason under multiple names, even though we don’t apparently disagree with him on this subject. So since there’s no actual disagreement on the subject I point out that he’s being a dumbass by holding a conversation with himself. Then he starts complaining that we’re not addressing the topic of the thread – which we already did when it was still interesting.

    Is there someone here who supports Phelps? Even AC hasn’t come out in support of him. IMO #60 was the most interesting response so far. The story of the bikers going to funerals to counter Phelps is truly noteworthy and deserves to be an article in its own right. Thanks to ‘biker’ for posting it.

    As for my evil use of editorial powers, I haven’t deleted a comment or edited a comment. I just pointed out the name abuse being engaged in because it’s a violation of BC policy and annoying and marginally psycho as well. What more need be said?

    Dave

  • Fowarder

    Dave, As you can see by post #69’s next to last paragraph, I posted that comment for Biker, as you should be able to confirm by the IP address that sent it.

    Thanks so much for the compliment in post 81, and my aledged multiple personalities thank you too.
    Forwarder

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Yes, I was aware of that, but it was still a good and relevant post. Most of the rest of this thread is pure idiocy.

    And if you really ARE forwarding posts for other people – which is a bizarre dynamic – please encourage them to post for themselves, because as far as we can tell out here, they’re all originating from one person on one computer, and we have very little reason to think otherwise.

    Dave

  • RogerMDillon

    “I was unaware of exactly whose these people were.”

    What a shock. Arch speaking about something without knowing the facts.

  • Nancy

    I may disagree with Dave (I usually do) but I’ve never noticed him exercising evil dictatorial powers, just faulty logic. Keep on truckin’, Dave. You may be wrong but you have a right to proclaim it. ;)

  • Arch Conservative

    Well Roger I heard anti-military and I assumed it was the far left marxist we hate America crowd. 9 out of ten times I would have been right. This happens to be the tenth time.

    You’ll have to give me a mulligan on this one.

  • Nancy

    I’ve learned it’s possible to be anti-military and not anti-troops. You can despise the military complex while loving & supporting the soldiers who have to labor under it. Just like one can loathe Bush & Cheney, but still love those who try to do their best in government service. If anything, they’re more to be pitied than censured for having to labor under such monstrous & monstrously inept ‘leaders’.

  • Arch Conservative

    Nancy if you asked the troops who they loathed serving under more Clinton or Bush, who do you think they’d say?

  • Forwarder

    Arch, that subjective question would depend completely on who you asked, and who was doing the asking.
    One poll might have 90% say Bush the other would say 90% said Clinton. If the republican party used their mailing/calling list it’d go one way, and if the Democratic party used their mailing/calling list it’d be the other way.

    Forwarded for Kyle

  • http://jpsgoddamnblog.blogspot.com JP

    Well put, Nancy (#87).

  • Arch Conservative

    Well one thing tat isn’t subjective is the way troops vote forwarder. Overwhelmingly Republican. I heard from the lefties in 2004 how much the troops adored Kerry and hated Bush but yet Bush got a significantly larger portion of the military vote.

    Besides that…..anyone who kows anything about the military knows the contempt it had for Clincton that just isn’t there for Bush.

  • http://alienboy.wordpress.com/ Christopher Rose

    Forwarder: I am still troubled by the potential for confusion caused by you posting the words of others.

    What kind of people care enough about what is being posted publicly on BC as to want to comment but are so concerned for their anonymity as to use your, to me, unique service?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I think I have the answer to your last question, Christopher and it uses only 4 letters and repeats ‘n’ twice.

    Well Roger I heard anti-military and I assumed it was the far left marxist we hate America crowd. 9 out of ten times I would have been right. This happens to be the tenth time.

    There are protestors like this at funerals as well. One of the interesting things about this issue is that the laws protecting funerals target the loonies from both the left and the right, which suggests to me that they’re probably the right way to go.

    Dave

  • Forwarder

    You’re right Dave, no valid points, or any good arguments have been made from this source, and if they have been, they’ve been distracted completely by you constantly beating a dead horse about IP addresses to override them.

    I congratulate you…

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Forwarder, I gave your ‘communal ip’ credit for making a good point earlier. My comment was to the effect that once you started holding internal discussions the quality of the thread went downhill.

    Dave

  • Forwarder

    Thanks for throwing me a bone, Dave. Despite your suspicions, I have 4 friends nationwide that are paranoid about spam, and 3 neighbors in this apartment building who can’t afford a computer-much less internet access (as hard as that is to believe from some rich republican), so I let them surf the web, and e-mail distant relatives using mine, when I’m home. And yes I got royally pissed when Kyle put Arch’s name to a comment but I can’t delete something once it’s published.

    The above is the TRUTH regardless of whether YOU believe it or not. There are still people in this world that do nice things for neighbors/friends without fear of being called a liar, or being some sicko with multiple personalities.

    Try considering the above, put yourself in my shoes, and ask yourself if you’d get a little defensive too.

    My neighbor Jet just commented on the DVD release of Brokeback Mountain with a beautiful review that he wrote a month or so ago using my Word for Windows.

    Let’s see how long it takes you and Arch to attack him.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Forwarder, I don’t believe a word of it. The more you ‘explain’ the more improbable it seems. But carry on.

    Dave

  • Jet in Columbus

    Of course you don’t Dave, I wouldn’t expect any less from you. If you bought that, I’d suggest someone felt your forehead for a fever. Since My friends and neighbors seem to be of like mind with me, I’ll combine them all, plus all the voices in my head into one identity and call myself Jet in Columbus, since he seems to be the most prolific of our group.

    I hope you feel humored.
    I know I do

  • lumpy

    “I have 4 friends nationwide that are paranoid about spam,”

    sorry this statement makes no sense, since it doesn’t require an email to post here.

  • Jet in Columbus

    For GOD’s sake that damned horse is dead already, so stop beating it, and I no longer CARE whether you believe it or not.

    As has been proven quite nicely IP addresses can be traced through posts such as this.

    Get off your high and mighty horses and get back on the subject.

    JEEZ

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Jet, have you seen the movie “identity” with John Cusack. It’s a cool film.

    Dave

  • Jet in Columbus

    Nope, sorry, they don’t let me out of the sanitarium much, was it good, or is this leading back ot beating a dead horse again?

  • Jet in Columbus

    Hey Dave, check out post 82 on Anthony flew accempts God…

  • MCH

    “Well Roger I heard anti-military and I assumed it was the far left marxist we hate America crowd.”

    Although it is amusing how many of the pro military, far right, flag-waving, chicken-hawk crowd dodged the draft when they had the chance to serve, ie; Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, John Ashcroft, Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz, Lee Greenwood, Bill Bennett, Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich, Scooter Libby, Saxby Chambliss, Ted Nugent, et al…

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “Jet, have you seen the movie ‘identity’ with John Cusack. It’s a cool film.”

    Cool?? If by “cool film”, you mean a mediocre thriller with a plot that makes no sense, then yeah, it’s a cool film.

    Shamelessly yours,

  • Dave Nalle

    Hey Dave, check out post 82 on Anthony flew accempts God…

    I don’t even recognize most of the words in this sentence.

    Dave

  • Jet in Columbus

    (Jesus & the Dinosaurs) Okay Dave Nalle, so I got a little fumble fingered. I was TRYING to show you that I had a sense of humor about the whole thing, but I guess it was lost on you. I was trying to get you to read comment 82 under the heading Anthony Flew accepts God.

    Sheesh

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I did eventually figure it out and I think I responded over there in some way.

    Dave

  • Jet in Columbus

    Actually you didn’t Dave, but that’s okay, I didn’t expect you to have a sense of humor…