Kerry hates America...that's why he had Michael Moore as an esteemed guest at the DNC...he should run for Sec. Gen. of the UN instead, since France isn't going to have a Presidential election for quite a while...
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curt
Oct 07, 2004 at 1:24 am
a rush limbaugh limmerick:
rush said he supported the war,
when the draft called he knew what for;
on his rear was a cyst,
vietnam he would miss,
'cause his bummy was just too sore!
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D.I.
Oct 10, 2004 at 5:10 pm
In his autobiography, George Bush, Sr. wrote in the late 1990s why he believed that invading and attempting to occupy Iraq was not a good idea: "An occupation of Iraq would have incurred incalculable human and political costs...there was no viable exit strategy...Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
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curt
Oct 14, 2004 at 12:35 pm
chickenhawk jon;
since you bring up the evils of forged documents, your boy, gw bush, actually knowingly used forged documents about 18 months before dan rather did.
in making his case for a pre-emptive invasion of iraq, bush charged that suddam hussein had attempted to by enriched uranium from nigeria, a claim based on documents that were known to be forgeries even before he made the claim in the state of the union address.
therefore i submit that you are a hypocrite, war-wimp jon, since you look the other way when your boy uses false documents but you crucify dan rather for the same tactic.
None, Starship Trooper curt. (And I'm guessing that's the same number you've been in. REAL war vets don't brag about having been in a war every chance they get. REAL heroes don't call themselves heroes.)
Anyway, the link I provided above shows some actual, genuine war veterans who served with Kerry. And they hate the man. All 260+ of them.
Lots of the guys who talked of "war crimes" during the Winter Soldier investigation were pseudo-vets. I suspect the same can be said of you.
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andy marsh
Oct 17, 2004 at 5:05 pm
Like I said in another post, if you read that book, unfit for command and believe just a tenth of it, there is no way you can vote for Kerry.
P.S. I never saw combat, but I proudly served for 20.
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curt
Oct 17, 2004 at 7:58 pm
chickenhawk rj:
i never saw combat (never said i did), but at least i served - which is more than i can say for a number of right-wing war-wimps including dick cheney, john ashcroft, karl rove, rush limbaugh and yourself.
if the swiftboat vets for truth want to cast aspersions on a fellow combat vet, that's their purogative, they earned that right. but its a little bit different when an x-box warrior like yourself to denegrate the service of a combat vet who sustained wounds in action and saved a fellow g.i.'s life.
in your so-called quest for the truth, have you found a link yet of anyone who witnessed gw bush at dannelly air force base, where he was supposed to report in 1972?
as for the "psuedo-vet" accusation, i could care less how a phony flag-waver like yourself labels my service. i know what i did and didn't do, i know where i was stationed, how long i was there and who i served with. i could've done more...but i did more than you did.
385 -
andy marsh
Oct 17, 2004 at 8:08 pm
let's beat the guard dead horse some more...get this...I did 20 in the navy..and if there was a draft tomorrow I'd do everything in my power to make sure my kids didn't have to serve...if I could get them in the guard, I would...if I could get them a deferment, I would. and anybody that says different about their own kids is just plain FULL OF SHIT!!! Bush never said a word about Kerry's service other than to say that he honored it. The swiftvets are pissed because Kerry used a picture of all of them and said they supported him and it was BULLSHIT!!! Edwards said...if you want to know about John Kerry, ask the people that served with him...well the Swiftvets served with him and they think he has no honor. Yeah yeah...not all of them served with him...what ever...out of a picture of around 30 guys, 2 stand beside him and one of them is on his campaign staff which means he's getting paid to stand beside him. The rest of them think he's full of shit.
The Edwards line is one of those, careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
386 -
andy marsh
Oct 17, 2004 at 8:13 pm
and speaking of service...how come it was never an issue when Clinton was president???
Here's one more little tidbit for you...in the reserves you're required to "earn" points. You earn them by drilling, the requirement back then was 55 a year...Bush had over 500 by the time he was HONORABLY DISCHARGED. Did you get that...I'll say it again...HONORABLY DISCHARGED.
That equates to around 10 years of service...so let's stop kicking this dead horse...Rather couldn't get it to run and no one else can either!!!
387 -
curt
Oct 18, 2004 at 1:20 am
andy -
there are at least two high-ranking miltary personnel who disagree with you concerning gw bush's service.
tony mcpeak, a retired four star general who headed the u.s. air force during desert storm, said "until we know the truth about president bush's military service - how he got into the guard, how and why he neglected his duty, how and why he was not disciplined - this issue will hang around and smell up the place."
"the president dishonred the guards decades ago, and he dishonors them today, by the way he misuses and mistreats them," said admiral stansfield turner, u.s. navy (retired) and former c.i.a. director. "george bush owes them the truth about his own service and needs to answer questions about his commitment to our armed forces."
when asked about his 1972 obligation to the ang in alabama, i wonder why gw bush didn't mention that he already had "550 hours," instead of lying that he "didn't do any flying at dannelly because they didn't have the same kind of planes." ??? the truth is he COULDN'T fly because he grounded himself by missing his physical in august 1971, thereby wasting $1 million the taxpayers had paid for his training.
388 -
curt
Oct 18, 2004 at 11:54 pm
chickenhawk rj;
concerning your instructions on what "REAL war vets" and "REAL heroes" do and don't do - i had 2 cousins and 3 classmates who served in 'nam, lost 1 of each. so i don't need any lectures from some hypocritical cyber-patriot like yourself who's never served.
i also know that REAL war vets don't check the box "do NOT want to serve overseas" on their enlistment form (like gw bush did); and REAL heroes don't abandon their post for 14 months (like gw bush did), which constitutes desertion.
regarding your reference to "actual, genuine war veterans", john mccain (would 5 1/2 years as a pow qualify?) said that the attack on john kerry's service by the swiftboat vets for truth was "dishonest and dishonorable."
389 -
Jon
Oct 20, 2004 at 11:51 am
Curt,
You are all over the place on this whole issue. You pick and choose who you call a hero. Whos picture is hanging in a war museam in Communist Vietnam as a "war hero"? Why openly collaborated with the enemy while the war was still going on? Who wants to "ask" for the U.N.'s permission to defend the homeland? Who wants the French & Germans "assistance" in this war? Who supplied arms that actually downed an A-10 in Iraq (freshly dated to boot)? Who was in ol Saddams back pocket during the build up to war? Who supports the countries that back stabbed us during the whole stinking process (for MONEY), etc. etc....it sure wasn't Bush. You pick and choose "facts" very selectivly. You put down ANY vet that exposes Kerry's lies and place any that support him on a pedistal..even if the ratio is about 25 to 1. You constantly harp on Bush's record, although he was HONORABLY discharged. You compare blatently fake documents that Rather suggested as fact, but when just about every country that saw the doc's on the Uranium believed them to be true. What about the recent report about nuclear materials & equipment that "disappeared" from Iraq after the war started? How the hell can these things disappear if the U.N. said they NEVER exsisted? You call anyone that disagrees with you stupid names & *screw them* if they served in the reserves or actually went to war. My family has war service (yep, WAR) dating back to WW1. THEY fought to give YOU the right to have your pinhead views. Any thanks from you on that? Oh yea, I didn't serve, so *screw them*, huh? Funny you don't talk much about the draft dodger Clinton that sent troops all over the world in harms way then let them die in the streets of Somalia for nothing. He emboldened the enemy & look what resulted from his actions. You sure like to use John McCains name a lot...even though Kerry made his life a living hell (and a LOT others). Dosn't it seem strange to you that Kim Jong Il, Yasser Arafat, Hamas, etc. WANT Kerry to get elected? I doubt it. I could care less what "title" you assign to anyone who disagrees with you, it is very telling to me. You are just an angry-at-the-world leftist who supports a looser who wants the U.N.'s permission to defend our country. Once again, name just ONE "conflict" that the U.N. has ever had sucess in settling...(cricket..cricket..cricket..)..zilch. How many have the U.S. not only completed, but changed the agressor to a free society? W O W...
On the fake documents, Rather produced blatently fake documents & is still swearing by them. The report you refer to on the uranium was believed by everyone (including your buddies the French & Germans). How about the report that just came out about nuclear materials & equipment that "dissappeard" after the start of this war? How can THAT be? We were told that Iraq didn't have these things! Strange, huh?
you need to TRIPLE up on them meds....
390 -
curt
Oct 20, 2004 at 8:32 pm
chickenhawk jon,
i've never said anything against the reserves. in addition to being a phony hypocrite, you're also a liar.
Other than name-calling and bragging about your supposed non-war military service, what do you have to offer?
392 -
curt
Oct 20, 2004 at 11:21 pm
cyber patriot rj,
you denegrate the service of a combat veteran, though you yourself have never worn the uniform or faced enemy fire; therefore, in my opinion, you are a phony.
you cast aspersions on john kerry's service in action, while at the same time ignoring gw bush's desertion from the guards; therefore, in my opinion, you are a hypocrite.
you promote and support the invasion of iraq, but won't enlist and volunteer for combat, thereby forcing someone else to sacrifice life and limb in your place; therefore, in my opinion, you are a chickenhawk.
every time you point your finger at someone else, rj, there will always be three fingers pointing back at yourself...
393 -
Jon
Oct 21, 2004 at 10:40 am
Back at ya Curt. You call Bush a deserter, he was not..he was honorably discharged, you call anyone (enlisted, guard, drafted) that disagrees with Kerry liars therefore, you are a hypocrite and a liar. Once again, you cannot factually counter anything I have mentioned in prior posts regarding this war or this President. The left has a policy of "it's the nature of the charge" and running with it...that is until the shoes on the other foot. Then they cry foul. Just one of many examples is the movie that was slated to run on Sinclair stations. They are screaming like a bunch of newborns...zilch about the tripe Michael Moore put out...hypocrites the whole lot of ya...
394 -
curt
Oct 22, 2004 at 6:13 pm
chickenhawk jon -
if he didn't desert his post and did in fact fulfill his duty at dannelly afb in 1972 as he was ordered, and you can find a truthful witness who saw him there, you're entitled to half of the $50,000 reward offered by the texans for truth.
395 -
Jon
Oct 24, 2004 at 10:35 am
Curt,
You're beating a dead horse.
396 -
curt
Oct 24, 2004 at 5:41 pm
chickenhawk jon -
only because gw abandoned his post at dannelly, and NO ONE, i repeat, NO ONE has stepped forward to truthfully prove otherwise.
397 -
Jon
Oct 24, 2004 at 8:22 pm
Curt, what the hell are you smoking? If this were indeed true, how did he get an honorable discharge? Why is it you guys just can't admit you can't prove any of these nutty charges? If the left had proof af ANYTHING they claim towards Bush, you want me to believe it wouldn't be in every newspaper & on every mainstream newscast? Gimme a break. The left is getting so freakin boring to me anymore...blah blah blah...all you do is hate Bush. Fine, but you still have to prove even one of your mind-bending charges. Of course, when the right has a whole slew of POW's, people who served with him, SENATE testimony, etc etc etc, that dosn't mean shit to you pinheads. How about the FACT that Kerry's photo is hanging in the N. Vietmiese war museam as a HERO? How about the FACT that (I believe ABC) went to N. Vietnam to talk to the ENEMY to "verify" that Kerry was such a "war hero" and to dispute any of the charges against him by his fellow soldiers? OK, if you want to believe COMMIES over TRUE AMERICAN HEROS, go right ahead. That tells me and anyone who looks at your rants volumes. Once again, Curt, have you ever been to a Communist country? I have. I think you just might LIKE it there.
398 -
curt
Oct 24, 2004 at 9:27 pm
chickenhawk jon -
how did gw bush, the son of a rich, powerful politician, get a dishonorable discharge after deserting his post?
perhaps the same way he was able get into the texas national guards only 2 weeks before graduating from yale (and losing his student deferment), jumping to the front of a waiting list of 500 men who had signed-up before him...
perhaps the same way he was promoted to 2nd lieutenant right after basic training, skipping regular military protocol and not having to attend several rigorous months of officer candidate school...
...it's called money, power, influence and connections.
now, a question for you, war-wimp: how do you feel about your boy gw intentionally grounding himself by missing his physical in august, 1971, thereby wasting $1 million of taxpayer's money on his training?
399 -
Jon
Oct 24, 2004 at 9:52 pm
Here we go again...boy, Curt you just don't quit, do you? Deferements, money, son of a powerful politician, blah blah blah. He did serve, he did put in his time as a pilot, and he was honorably discharged. Because he didn't serve in combat, that was money wasted, huh? $1 million is a bargain. Can you fly a fighter jet, Curt? Hell, I CAN pilot a boat. Hell, I could shoot myself in the ass (if I was that stupid). How about your *hero* Bill Clinton? Where was he during Vietnam? Oh yea, that shit dosn't count, does it? How much money did Clinton waste on a BJ? NOW that's stupid. Only way you would ever have any respect for anyone, is if they took enemy fire. Well, YOU didn't, did ya? Therefore, you don't even respect yourself. I'll just bet if you were in line to go to Vietnam, you woulda loved to have had connections, wouldn't you? You were in the reserves, right? By your own standards, you are a war-wimp. You are really starting to bore me with your idiocy, Curt. BTW, why aren't YOU in Baghdad? HUH? Why didn't YOU re-up? Pot callin' the kettle black...
curt: How do you feel about Jane Fonda Kerry secretly meeting and negotiating with the Vietnamese Communists (the enemy) in France in 1970, while still a member of the armed services?
You guys have no idea how stoopid the "my service was REAL service and my family is better than your family and my great-great-great-great-great aunt mary is better than your great-great-great-great-great aunt mary because she was once married for three weeks to a guy who volunteered for the War of 1812 and stepped in front of a cannon to save a village of orphans while your great-great-great-great-great aunt mary sat on her rocker next to the fire and knitted sweaters. So my great-great-great-great-great aunt mary GAVE YOUR great-great-great-great-great aunt mary the freedom to knit those sweaters, you ingrate!" argument is.
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Jon
Oct 25, 2004 at 8:12 pm
Hey, that was my great-great-great-great-great UNCLE. Jeeez...did you get that from FORGED documents? :) And *hello* those were coats, not sweaters... :0
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curt
Oct 26, 2004 at 3:03 pm
chickenhawk jon -
i've never said anything against the guards or the reserves - don't put words in my mouth, ok war-wimp? what i'm opposed to are deserters, like gw bush.
i'm not in bahgdad for 2 reasons: 1) i already served, remember? and 2) i disagree with the invasion and occupation of iraq, just like george bush, sr., did in his autobiography.
you may be right that the $1 million we spent on gw's training was not wasted; after all, before he went awol in '72, oklahoma never attacked texas.
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Jon
Oct 28, 2004 at 1:24 am
Curt,
You are pathetic. You DO dis' the guards by calling Bush a deserter. Once again, HONORABLE DISCHARGE. Jeeezzz...Of course you oppose this war, it was done for a reason. You just can't face reality. Millions of people freed from oppression, a chance at actual freedom, the deposing of a brutal dictator, a chance of changing the ever growing tide of extreamism, hell, who wouldn't want to stop that? You libs can nit-pick all you want, don't worry the grown ups will get the job done. I know you just want the U.N. to take care of business, just laike they have in the past..Oh yea, where was that again?
You can call me all the names you want, but one you can't call me is a freaking idiotic liberal. You are all talk, no substance, and quite frankly, an idiot. You are driven by pure hatred for Bush, that's your version of "logic". Having never been in the service, it is very apparent that I am a much bigger supporter of the military than you, but hey, you said you don't support the "invasion & occupation" of (innocent) Iraq. That tells me volumes about you. You probably would have headed to Canada IF you were ever actually called to duty, since (in your words) you don't "support" a war. I'll just bet that was your mindset back in the 70's, libby. Real soldiers don't question the mission, they just do their job. Oh yea, I don't deserve to have an opinion on this according to you. I just a "citizen" of this great country. Somehow you are "better" than me or most of this countries population. THat tells me alot about you too.
This is my final point to you:
Kerry is a backstabbing, lying, flip-flopping, U.N. supporting, taxing, ass kissing (France , Germany, Russia), fear mongering, piece of shit.
Although I hate Bush's domestic agenda, he is God fearing, plain speaking, non wavering anti terrorism, "screw 'em" if they aren't with us, cowboy helluva man.
I'm voting Bush. You can vote for Socialism if you want. Screw ya, Curt.
You are driven by pure hatred for Bush, that's your version of "logic".
and
Kerry is a backstabbing, lying, flip-flopping, U.N. supporting, taxing, ass kissing (France , Germany, Russia), fear mongering, piece of shit.
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Jon
Oct 28, 2004 at 7:42 pm
Hey BHW, ya know...THAT was funny! I laughed out loud when you did that post! I'll own it...thats what I get for posting late at night, after hearing about 200+ political "ads" a day. I admit, I got caught up in the moment so to speak. I need to mellow out & quit letting moronic liberals get under my skin. GOOD OBSERVATION! :) I can't wait till this thing is over!
After the election, did anyone else notice that Newsweek finally printed the truth about Kerry meeting with Vietnamese Communist terrorists in Paris while still a member of the US military?
Could that be considered a mid-November belated surprise? ;-P
John Kerry wasn't too thrilled about the results of the Iraqi election.
Well, who could really blame the guy for being a little hesitant to praise election results! ;-)
409 -
HW Saxton
Feb 02, 2005 at 12:14 am
Elvis f**kin' Christ! Will ya ever lay
off the John Kerry remarks, R.J.?
I'm no fan of the man or George either
for that matter, but talk about beating
a dead horse,sheesh.You've been making
snarky comments(some deserved, some not)
about the guy for well on a year now.
Don't YOU yourself get tired of it?
"Elvis f**kin' Christ! Will ya ever lay
off the John Kerry remarks, R.J.?"
Does anyone else remember that SNL skit where the guy wins election, but still runs TV ads humiliating his defeated opponent in stark terms? Well, I am that guy...
Seriously, I would probably lay off the John F. Kerry stuff if he would just STFU. I mean, he apparently thinks of himself as the "leader" of the Democrats now, and he keeps speaking out and saying idiotic things. You know, that there was supposedly massive "disenfranchisement" in urban precincts of Ohio, or that the recent Iraqi election is only kinda positive.
As soon as he stops saying stupid shit, I'll stop writing about the stupid shit he's saying...
But the thing is, Bush's grades were publicly available BEFORE the election. Kerry's weren't.
Also, Bush never claimed to be super smart. Kerry's supporters endlessly praised his intellectual superiority...
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MCH
Jun 07, 2005 at 1:26 pm
Hey Dawn,
Good luck trying to reason with R.J. (Bobby) Elliott. Don't forget this is the same guy who wrote "Kerry voters are fucking communists" on BC on July 31, '04.
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Dawn
Jun 07, 2005 at 1:37 pm
I think more accurately, Kerry supporters attempted to portray Kerry as more "intellectually curious" and "articulate."
But it's all semantics when you are closed-minded and unwilling to listen to the other side.
Article comments
376 - RJ
Kerry hates America...that's why he had Michael Moore as an esteemed guest at the DNC...he should run for Sec. Gen. of the UN instead, since France isn't going to have a Presidential election for quite a while...
377 - curt
a rush limbaugh limmerick:
rush said he supported the war,
when the draft called he knew what for;
on his rear was a cyst,
vietnam he would miss,
'cause his bummy was just too sore!
378 - D.I.
In his autobiography, George Bush, Sr. wrote in the late 1990s why he believed that invading and attempting to occupy Iraq was not a good idea: "An occupation of Iraq would have incurred incalculable human and political costs...there was no viable exit strategy...Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
379 - curt
chickenhawk jon;
since you bring up the evils of forged documents, your boy, gw bush, actually knowingly used forged documents about 18 months before dan rather did.
in making his case for a pre-emptive invasion of iraq, bush charged that suddam hussein had attempted to by enriched uranium from nigeria, a claim based on documents that were known to be forgeries even before he made the claim in the state of the union address.
therefore i submit that you are a hypocrite, war-wimp jon, since you look the other way when your boy uses false documents but you crucify dan rather for the same tactic.
see ya later, paper soldier.
380 - RJ
The latest Swift Vets ads can be found here
381 - curt
which war were you in, rj?
382 - RJ
None, Starship Trooper curt. (And I'm guessing that's the same number you've been in. REAL war vets don't brag about having been in a war every chance they get. REAL heroes don't call themselves heroes.)
Anyway, the link I provided above shows some actual, genuine war veterans who served with Kerry. And they hate the man. All 260+ of them.
Lots of the guys who talked of "war crimes" during the Winter Soldier investigation were pseudo-vets. I suspect the same can be said of you.
383 - andy marsh
Like I said in another post, if you read that book, unfit for command and believe just a tenth of it, there is no way you can vote for Kerry.
P.S. I never saw combat, but I proudly served for 20.
384 - curt
chickenhawk rj:
i never saw combat (never said i did), but at least i served - which is more than i can say for a number of right-wing war-wimps including dick cheney, john ashcroft, karl rove, rush limbaugh and yourself.
if the swiftboat vets for truth want to cast aspersions on a fellow combat vet, that's their purogative, they earned that right. but its a little bit different when an x-box warrior like yourself to denegrate the service of a combat vet who sustained wounds in action and saved a fellow g.i.'s life.
in your so-called quest for the truth, have you found a link yet of anyone who witnessed gw bush at dannelly air force base, where he was supposed to report in 1972?
as for the "psuedo-vet" accusation, i could care less how a phony flag-waver like yourself labels my service. i know what i did and didn't do, i know where i was stationed, how long i was there and who i served with. i could've done more...but i did more than you did.
385 - andy marsh
let's beat the guard dead horse some more...get this...I did 20 in the navy..and if there was a draft tomorrow I'd do everything in my power to make sure my kids didn't have to serve...if I could get them in the guard, I would...if I could get them a deferment, I would. and anybody that says different about their own kids is just plain FULL OF SHIT!!! Bush never said a word about Kerry's service other than to say that he honored it. The swiftvets are pissed because Kerry used a picture of all of them and said they supported him and it was BULLSHIT!!! Edwards said...if you want to know about John Kerry, ask the people that served with him...well the Swiftvets served with him and they think he has no honor. Yeah yeah...not all of them served with him...what ever...out of a picture of around 30 guys, 2 stand beside him and one of them is on his campaign staff which means he's getting paid to stand beside him. The rest of them think he's full of shit.
The Edwards line is one of those, careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
386 - andy marsh
and speaking of service...how come it was never an issue when Clinton was president???
Here's one more little tidbit for you...in the reserves you're required to "earn" points. You earn them by drilling, the requirement back then was 55 a year...Bush had over 500 by the time he was HONORABLY DISCHARGED. Did you get that...I'll say it again...HONORABLY DISCHARGED.
That equates to around 10 years of service...so let's stop kicking this dead horse...Rather couldn't get it to run and no one else can either!!!
387 - curt
andy -
there are at least two high-ranking miltary personnel who disagree with you concerning gw bush's service.
tony mcpeak, a retired four star general who headed the u.s. air force during desert storm, said "until we know the truth about president bush's military service - how he got into the guard, how and why he neglected his duty, how and why he was not disciplined - this issue will hang around and smell up the place."
"the president dishonred the guards decades ago, and he dishonors them today, by the way he misuses and mistreats them," said admiral stansfield turner, u.s. navy (retired) and former c.i.a. director. "george bush owes them the truth about his own service and needs to answer questions about his commitment to our armed forces."
when asked about his 1972 obligation to the ang in alabama, i wonder why gw bush didn't mention that he already had "550 hours," instead of lying that he "didn't do any flying at dannelly because they didn't have the same kind of planes." ??? the truth is he COULDN'T fly because he grounded himself by missing his physical in august 1971, thereby wasting $1 million the taxpayers had paid for his training.
388 - curt
chickenhawk rj;
concerning your instructions on what "REAL war vets" and "REAL heroes" do and don't do - i had 2 cousins and 3 classmates who served in 'nam, lost 1 of each. so i don't need any lectures from some hypocritical cyber-patriot like yourself who's never served.
i also know that REAL war vets don't check the box "do NOT want to serve overseas" on their enlistment form (like gw bush did); and REAL heroes don't abandon their post for 14 months (like gw bush did), which constitutes desertion.
regarding your reference to "actual, genuine war veterans", john mccain (would 5 1/2 years as a pow qualify?) said that the attack on john kerry's service by the swiftboat vets for truth was "dishonest and dishonorable."
389 - Jon
Curt,
You are all over the place on this whole issue. You pick and choose who you call a hero. Whos picture is hanging in a war museam in Communist Vietnam as a "war hero"? Why openly collaborated with the enemy while the war was still going on? Who wants to "ask" for the U.N.'s permission to defend the homeland? Who wants the French & Germans "assistance" in this war? Who supplied arms that actually downed an A-10 in Iraq (freshly dated to boot)? Who was in ol Saddams back pocket during the build up to war? Who supports the countries that back stabbed us during the whole stinking process (for MONEY), etc. etc....it sure wasn't Bush. You pick and choose "facts" very selectivly. You put down ANY vet that exposes Kerry's lies and place any that support him on a pedistal..even if the ratio is about 25 to 1. You constantly harp on Bush's record, although he was HONORABLY discharged. You compare blatently fake documents that Rather suggested as fact, but when just about every country that saw the doc's on the Uranium believed them to be true. What about the recent report about nuclear materials & equipment that "disappeared" from Iraq after the war started? How the hell can these things disappear if the U.N. said they NEVER exsisted? You call anyone that disagrees with you stupid names & *screw them* if they served in the reserves or actually went to war. My family has war service (yep, WAR) dating back to WW1. THEY fought to give YOU the right to have your pinhead views. Any thanks from you on that? Oh yea, I didn't serve, so *screw them*, huh? Funny you don't talk much about the draft dodger Clinton that sent troops all over the world in harms way then let them die in the streets of Somalia for nothing. He emboldened the enemy & look what resulted from his actions. You sure like to use John McCains name a lot...even though Kerry made his life a living hell (and a LOT others). Dosn't it seem strange to you that Kim Jong Il, Yasser Arafat, Hamas, etc. WANT Kerry to get elected? I doubt it. I could care less what "title" you assign to anyone who disagrees with you, it is very telling to me. You are just an angry-at-the-world leftist who supports a looser who wants the U.N.'s permission to defend our country. Once again, name just ONE "conflict" that the U.N. has ever had sucess in settling...(cricket..cricket..cricket..)..zilch. How many have the U.S. not only completed, but changed the agressor to a free society? W O W...
On the fake documents, Rather produced blatently fake documents & is still swearing by them. The report you refer to on the uranium was believed by everyone (including your buddies the French & Germans). How about the report that just came out about nuclear materials & equipment that "dissappeard" after the start of this war? How can THAT be? We were told that Iraq didn't have these things! Strange, huh?
you need to TRIPLE up on them meds....
390 - curt
chickenhawk jon,
i've never said anything against the reserves. in addition to being a phony hypocrite, you're also a liar.
391 - RJ
Curt:
Other than name-calling and bragging about your supposed non-war military service, what do you have to offer?
392 - curt
cyber patriot rj,
you denegrate the service of a combat veteran, though you yourself have never worn the uniform or faced enemy fire; therefore, in my opinion, you are a phony.
you cast aspersions on john kerry's service in action, while at the same time ignoring gw bush's desertion from the guards; therefore, in my opinion, you are a hypocrite.
you promote and support the invasion of iraq, but won't enlist and volunteer for combat, thereby forcing someone else to sacrifice life and limb in your place; therefore, in my opinion, you are a chickenhawk.
every time you point your finger at someone else, rj, there will always be three fingers pointing back at yourself...
393 - Jon
Back at ya Curt. You call Bush a deserter, he was not..he was honorably discharged, you call anyone (enlisted, guard, drafted) that disagrees with Kerry liars therefore, you are a hypocrite and a liar. Once again, you cannot factually counter anything I have mentioned in prior posts regarding this war or this President. The left has a policy of "it's the nature of the charge" and running with it...that is until the shoes on the other foot. Then they cry foul. Just one of many examples is the movie that was slated to run on Sinclair stations. They are screaming like a bunch of newborns...zilch about the tripe Michael Moore put out...hypocrites the whole lot of ya...
394 - curt
chickenhawk jon -
if he didn't desert his post and did in fact fulfill his duty at dannelly afb in 1972 as he was ordered, and you can find a truthful witness who saw him there, you're entitled to half of the $50,000 reward offered by the texans for truth.
395 - Jon
Curt,
You're beating a dead horse.
396 - curt
chickenhawk jon -
only because gw abandoned his post at dannelly, and NO ONE, i repeat, NO ONE has stepped forward to truthfully prove otherwise.
397 - Jon
Curt, what the hell are you smoking? If this were indeed true, how did he get an honorable discharge? Why is it you guys just can't admit you can't prove any of these nutty charges? If the left had proof af ANYTHING they claim towards Bush, you want me to believe it wouldn't be in every newspaper & on every mainstream newscast? Gimme a break. The left is getting so freakin boring to me anymore...blah blah blah...all you do is hate Bush. Fine, but you still have to prove even one of your mind-bending charges. Of course, when the right has a whole slew of POW's, people who served with him, SENATE testimony, etc etc etc, that dosn't mean shit to you pinheads. How about the FACT that Kerry's photo is hanging in the N. Vietmiese war museam as a HERO? How about the FACT that (I believe ABC) went to N. Vietnam to talk to the ENEMY to "verify" that Kerry was such a "war hero" and to dispute any of the charges against him by his fellow soldiers? OK, if you want to believe COMMIES over TRUE AMERICAN HEROS, go right ahead. That tells me and anyone who looks at your rants volumes. Once again, Curt, have you ever been to a Communist country? I have. I think you just might LIKE it there.
398 - curt
chickenhawk jon -
how did gw bush, the son of a rich, powerful politician, get a dishonorable discharge after deserting his post?
perhaps the same way he was able get into the texas national guards only 2 weeks before graduating from yale (and losing his student deferment), jumping to the front of a waiting list of 500 men who had signed-up before him...
perhaps the same way he was promoted to 2nd lieutenant right after basic training, skipping regular military protocol and not having to attend several rigorous months of officer candidate school...
...it's called money, power, influence and connections.
now, a question for you, war-wimp: how do you feel about your boy gw intentionally grounding himself by missing his physical in august, 1971, thereby wasting $1 million of taxpayer's money on his training?
399 - Jon
Here we go again...boy, Curt you just don't quit, do you? Deferements, money, son of a powerful politician, blah blah blah. He did serve, he did put in his time as a pilot, and he was honorably discharged. Because he didn't serve in combat, that was money wasted, huh? $1 million is a bargain. Can you fly a fighter jet, Curt? Hell, I CAN pilot a boat. Hell, I could shoot myself in the ass (if I was that stupid). How about your *hero* Bill Clinton? Where was he during Vietnam? Oh yea, that shit dosn't count, does it? How much money did Clinton waste on a BJ? NOW that's stupid. Only way you would ever have any respect for anyone, is if they took enemy fire. Well, YOU didn't, did ya? Therefore, you don't even respect yourself. I'll just bet if you were in line to go to Vietnam, you woulda loved to have had connections, wouldn't you? You were in the reserves, right? By your own standards, you are a war-wimp. You are really starting to bore me with your idiocy, Curt. BTW, why aren't YOU in Baghdad? HUH? Why didn't YOU re-up? Pot callin' the kettle black...
400 - RJ
Post #400! Woo-Hoo!
curt: How do you feel about Jane Fonda Kerry secretly meeting and negotiating with the Vietnamese Communists (the enemy) in France in 1970, while still a member of the armed services?
401 - bhw
The penis fight continues.
You guys have no idea how stoopid the "my service was REAL service and my family is better than your family and my great-great-great-great-great aunt mary is better than your great-great-great-great-great aunt mary because she was once married for three weeks to a guy who volunteered for the War of 1812 and stepped in front of a cannon to save a village of orphans while your great-great-great-great-great aunt mary sat on her rocker next to the fire and knitted sweaters. So my great-great-great-great-great aunt mary GAVE YOUR great-great-great-great-great aunt mary the freedom to knit those sweaters, you ingrate!" argument is.
402 - Jon
Hey, that was my great-great-great-great-great UNCLE. Jeeez...did you get that from FORGED documents? :) And *hello* those were coats, not sweaters... :0
403 - curt
chickenhawk jon -
i've never said anything against the guards or the reserves - don't put words in my mouth, ok war-wimp? what i'm opposed to are deserters, like gw bush.
i'm not in bahgdad for 2 reasons: 1) i already served, remember? and 2) i disagree with the invasion and occupation of iraq, just like george bush, sr., did in his autobiography.
you may be right that the $1 million we spent on gw's training was not wasted; after all, before he went awol in '72, oklahoma never attacked texas.
404 - Jon
Curt,
You are pathetic. You DO dis' the guards by calling Bush a deserter. Once again, HONORABLE DISCHARGE. Jeeezzz...Of course you oppose this war, it was done for a reason. You just can't face reality. Millions of people freed from oppression, a chance at actual freedom, the deposing of a brutal dictator, a chance of changing the ever growing tide of extreamism, hell, who wouldn't want to stop that? You libs can nit-pick all you want, don't worry the grown ups will get the job done. I know you just want the U.N. to take care of business, just laike they have in the past..Oh yea, where was that again?
You can call me all the names you want, but one you can't call me is a freaking idiotic liberal. You are all talk, no substance, and quite frankly, an idiot. You are driven by pure hatred for Bush, that's your version of "logic". Having never been in the service, it is very apparent that I am a much bigger supporter of the military than you, but hey, you said you don't support the "invasion & occupation" of (innocent) Iraq. That tells me volumes about you. You probably would have headed to Canada IF you were ever actually called to duty, since (in your words) you don't "support" a war. I'll just bet that was your mindset back in the 70's, libby. Real soldiers don't question the mission, they just do their job. Oh yea, I don't deserve to have an opinion on this according to you. I just a "citizen" of this great country. Somehow you are "better" than me or most of this countries population. THat tells me alot about you too.
This is my final point to you:
Kerry is a backstabbing, lying, flip-flopping, U.N. supporting, taxing, ass kissing (France , Germany, Russia), fear mongering, piece of shit.
Although I hate Bush's domestic agenda, he is God fearing, plain speaking, non wavering anti terrorism, "screw 'em" if they aren't with us, cowboy helluva man.
I'm voting Bush. You can vote for Socialism if you want. Screw ya, Curt.
405 - bhw
Hey, this is funny:
You are driven by pure hatred for Bush, that's your version of "logic".
and
Kerry is a backstabbing, lying, flip-flopping, U.N. supporting, taxing, ass kissing (France , Germany, Russia), fear mongering, piece of shit.
406 - Jon
Hey BHW, ya know...THAT was funny! I laughed out loud when you did that post! I'll own it...thats what I get for posting late at night, after hearing about 200+ political "ads" a day. I admit, I got caught up in the moment so to speak. I need to mellow out & quit letting moronic liberals get under my skin. GOOD OBSERVATION! :) I can't wait till this thing is over!
407 - RJ
After the election, did anyone else notice that Newsweek finally printed the truth about Kerry meeting with Vietnamese Communist terrorists in Paris while still a member of the US military?
Could that be considered a mid-November belated surprise? ;-P
408 - RJ
John Kerry wasn't too thrilled about the results of the Iraqi election.
Well, who could really blame the guy for being a little hesitant to praise election results! ;-)
409 - HW Saxton
Elvis f**kin' Christ! Will ya ever lay
off the John Kerry remarks, R.J.?
I'm no fan of the man or George either
for that matter, but talk about beating
a dead horse,sheesh.You've been making
snarky comments(some deserved, some not)
about the guy for well on a year now.
Don't YOU yourself get tired of it?
410 - RJ
"Elvis f**kin' Christ! Will ya ever lay
off the John Kerry remarks, R.J.?"
Does anyone else remember that SNL skit where the guy wins election, but still runs TV ads humiliating his defeated opponent in stark terms? Well, I am that guy...
Seriously, I would probably lay off the John F. Kerry stuff if he would just STFU. I mean, he apparently thinks of himself as the "leader" of the Democrats now, and he keeps speaking out and saying idiotic things. You know, that there was supposedly massive "disenfranchisement" in urban precincts of Ohio, or that the recent Iraqi election is only kinda positive.
As soon as he stops saying stupid shit, I'll stop writing about the stupid shit he's saying...
411 - RJ
THK just refuses to STFU!
412 - RJ
Kerry in 2008?
What do YOU think?
(I think Hillary will get the nod...)
413 - RJ
John F. Kerry - Shitty Student...
Funny. He gets a D in history, a D in political science, but a C in French!
414 - Dawn
Considering Kerry had the almost identical grades to Bush, I guess that makes them both shitty students, wouldn't you say?
415 - RJ
Pretty much.
But the thing is, Bush's grades were publicly available BEFORE the election. Kerry's weren't.
Also, Bush never claimed to be super smart. Kerry's supporters endlessly praised his intellectual superiority...
416 - MCH
Hey Dawn,
Good luck trying to reason with R.J. (Bobby) Elliott. Don't forget this is the same guy who wrote "Kerry voters are fucking communists" on BC on July 31, '04.
417 - Dawn
I think more accurately, Kerry supporters attempted to portray Kerry as more "intellectually curious" and "articulate."
But it's all semantics when you are closed-minded and unwilling to listen to the other side.
Right?
418 - RJ
Why has the media been so silent on THK since the election?
I thought she was, you know, a brilliant, witty, strong woman with a lot of relevant things to say...
Or was she only those things when the MSM thought she might become First Lady?
I guess now she's just an insane old rich broad, wildly rambling to a non-existent audience...
419 - RJ
Will Kerry vote to confirm Roberts? I'm guessing no...
420 - Pesho
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