This latter aspect is most problematic when Stenger strays from the strictly scientific (e.g., what does the scientific evidence show about the validity of intelligent design) to the philosophical (e.g., the question of evil). In these cases, he tends to support his conclusions with rather broad strokes. For example, he writes that if religious experiences were as deeply significant as religionists suggest, "then data would exist that even the most die-hard skeptic could not ignore." Likewise, he asserts there is no independent evidence that "any" biblical prophecy has been fulfilled and there is no "incontrovertible physical data" confirming the events detailed in scripture.
Such an approach does not, however, specifically refute the arguments of theists that as much as we may prefer it otherwise, questions of God's existence are not always going to be the stuff of hard evidence. Stenger is prepared, though, noting that the fact such evidence should have been found produces the high probability necessary to draw a scientific conclusion that the God hypothesis has failed objective and scientific scrutiny. At bottom, though, it ultimately reflects the loggerheads between the two views.
Some may find Stenger's conclusion that "we are just a product of circumstance and chance" disconcerting, if not downright depressing. Apparently cognizant of that, Stenger's last chapter is called "Living in the Godless Universe" and he uses it to flesh out his position that belief in a deity is not a prerequisite to finding meaning, wonder and awe in life and the universe.
God: The Failed Hypothesis has its limitations and flaws. All things considered, though, it is a valuable contribution to a growing list of modern works that raise serious and legitimate questions about the basis of religion and its acceptance and impact in the 21st century.
Article comments
1 - Harry
Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are intollerant pie-holes who preach hate. Read their books and I suggest borrowing it from the library instead of lining their pockets with your hard-earned cash.
Sam Harris' claims of good torture and good war is freakin ridiculous. He even goes on to be descriptive by saying it is "good" torture to smear pre-menstrual blood on muslims. WTF!?!
Richard Dawkins is a money grabbing hate-mongerer. "Religions are viruses" and we need to de-religionalize people. What type of brainwashing is this jack ass endorsing. The next thing he'll reccommend is liquidating jews, retards, and homos. What a nice new religion this atheism has become... oh wait its been around for a while now endorsed by every crazy dictator around. Seriously, WTF!?!
I'm not speaking of behalf of all people who read this junk, I am only a source of information that has noticed the hypocrisies in these atheists messiahs. I bought these books to gain a better understanding of atheism and to gain respect for this idea. What I took away from it is a spiteful hateful piece of literature meant to degrade religions on a whole.
Stenger's book sounds good and I am keen on reading this as well, I just hope he provides more intelligent and less discriminatory messages in his work.
2 - Christopher Rose
Harry: You appear to be letting your blind faith get the better of you. The authors Harris and Dawkins are making serious points that they believe important - and without resorting to either the worryingly fractured thinking you seem to espouse or the extremely rude way you go about it.
There's nothing evil or malignant in believing that the gods of olden times don't actually exist, nor does it rule out a genuine reverence for the universal wonder of existence, a secular miracle if you like. If religion is false, then these people do all humanity a great service as we seek to deepen and enhance our understanding.
As to hypocrisy, that's a very human condition to which nobody is immune. Maybe we should stop getting so uptight about it..?
3 - john connore
Yo Harry, take a chill. The most intelligent people in the world are atheist, if you don't believe that then do a little research. You spew hatred, just like your religious extremist. After six yrs. of born again Bush, who was told by god to invade Iraq and simultaneously ruined this country, maybe it's time folks like you started to expand their mind and deal with reality. By the way which one of 5000 gods do you advocate.
4 - Natalie Bennett
This article has been selected for syndication to Advance.net, which is affiliated with newspapers around the United States. Nice work!
5 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
It is just impossible to prove G-d via a hypothesis. A working hypothesis is as far as one can get in the attempt.
One does not get to G-d without faith, or more specifically, trust. Therefore proving the hypothesis that G-d exists must fail.
The allegation that none of the prophecies of the Tana"kh have occurred is open to debate. The author is a physicist, not a historian. His history, such as it is, deals with billions of years before the first sentient creature on this planet stirred.
One can discover, as many scientists already have, that the universe has many aspects of Mind. But from a scientific point of view, one can only speculate as to the source of the Mind. That is as far as one can go within the discipline of science.
Of course atheists have dogmatic absolutists among them, just as theists do, as we have already seen in comments made above.
6 - Christopher Rose
Wrong again, Ruvy. It's impossible to prove anything that isn't true. Conversely, it's easy to prove true things.
You say it's impossible to prove the existence of god via hypothesis, a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations. Your empty assertion that one gets to god via faith is just faithist doublespeak that means nothing. The plain truth is there is no god at all.
Your next false trick is to imply that non-believers are dogmatic absolutists is another lie that is designed to imply there is something fundamentally wrong with the approach I espouse.
Sadly, you are the one that can not and, indeed, will not, accept any truth that flies in the face of your dogma. I however stand ready to recant at the first sign that I am wrong. Such simple human humility seems way beyond you and has lead you into an area of entirely dubious pseudo-intellectual constructs as you try desperately to maintain the illusion to which you cling so maniacally. What a pity and a waste of a good (secular) soul.
7 - Tim Gebhart
A British blogger who is into flow sheets has graphically summarized what Christopher and Stenger are saying.
8 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
"Wrong again, Ruvy. It's impossible to prove anything that isn't true. Conversely, it's easy to prove true things.
.....
The plain truth is there is no god at all."
Here we see the mark of the atheistic dogmatic absolutist.
Empty assertions with no ability to prove them.
9 - JR
Christopher Rose: Wrong again, Ruvy. It's impossible to prove anything that isn't true. Conversely, it's easy to prove true things.
Not all true things can be proven. That's actually has been proven.
10 - Christopher Rose
RUVY: Yet again you allow your lack of reason to turn things upside down. I'm not an atheist, I don't have a dogma and I'm not an absolutist.
Furthermore, it's you that is making the assertions without a single shred of evidence to back them up. I don't need anything except the refusal to believe your wild and improbable claims, which are entirely unsubstantiated. My view is entirely supported by the absence of evidence to contradict it.
JR: Fascinating as Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems may be, I don't see how they are relevant in the context of my discussion with Ruvy. Your link was not really helpful so feel free to refer to the two I included above.
11 - JR
Without a formal system, how would you prove anything? By making an assertion and repeating it incessantly and insistently?
12 - Brandon Marone
Victor Stenger has yet another major fallacy in this book. He makes the dubious attempt to be a historian, when, in fact, he is not. He makes several fatal historical errors in doing so. For example, his claim that there are no extra-biblical records of the darkness at crucifixion taking place. WRONG. There are, in fact, at least two records of such an event. Julius Africanus's quote on Thallus and Tertullian's corroboration.
Stenger also makes dubious use of the King James Bible when discussing the dragons in a city. First, the KJV Bible has already been shown to be highly suspect in its translations from the earlier texts. The modern translations have been shown to be MUCH more accurate in their translations. Second, he sets up the usual straw-man arguments by taking Old Testament scripture at face value.
The resurrection of Jesus Christ is a massive hurdle for skeptics. It simply cannot be overcome. If the resurrection is true, there needs to be a massive reformation of scientific theory in today's world. It kind of makes you wonder, what hidden agenda do skeptics truly have??
13 - duane
Brandon (#8) says:
If the resurrection is true, there needs to be a massive reformation of scientific theory in today's world.
OK, like what fer instance? (That's a pretty big "if" by the way.)
It kind of makes you wonder, what hidden agenda do skeptics truly have??
What does '??' signify? Just curious. Anyway, it doesn't make me wonder about agendas. Skepticism is not a symptom of any underlying cause. It is a stand alone frame of mind.
14 - Brandon Marone
Wow, I was retarded back then. While I indeed continue to be a Christian, my attitude toward scientific theory has changed. I now accept the theory of evolution as the best explanation for the cause of species. I no longer see any problem in reconciling my strong Christian faith with scientific theory, including evolution. And no Duane, that is not really a big "if" at all, and "??" signifies an emphasis on the question. But as I have stated, I have no problem accepting many scientific theories anymore. I also think it should be noted that the ratings of this book have dropped significantly since I posted that blog over a year ago, makes you wonder doesn't it?
15 - Robert
My grandma use to said, "Again, the donkey back to wheat".
Faiht: firm "belief" in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust.
Belief: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence.
Conviction: a strong persuasion or belief.
My parents wasn't genios, nor Christian believers, nor atheist, but they teach me a great value which I consider a catch 22.
"You either _believe_ or don't _believe_, in both cases you are making the same action which have no negative connotation unless you denied interposing "don't".
God is faith (from latin), believe, or pistis (in Greek). Even The Athenians were acquainted with the idea that there could be something divine beyond their knowledge.
Paul had observed that they had erected an altar "to an unknown god." But Paul also observed that given a choice between the known and the unknown, they chose the known.
This article and books are not the exception. All of them choose the "known" subject to denied the existense, but they can NOT prove the non-existing of God without evidence... back to scuare one (belief).
You can find the most far galaxy across the universe and you will have a complete trust (faith/believe) that is located 8 googol years light from earth, you might find a way to transplant
a human brain some day if you "believe" that can be posible, but you will never find the God who by nature cannot be known at all specially when "pistis/faith/believe" is not applied.
As all nations and great minds you choose to contradict their creator, and this is when all great nations start to fall apart.