Harry Potter and the Evil Adverbs - Comments Page 2

You may think it's rather rich to accuse a woman who hasn't a qualm about publishing an 870-page children's book of being lazy, but...

The release of the title of the seventh and final installment to the Harry Potter series, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, must have been depressing to many people. First, there are the fanatics who are desolate to see their beloved series coming to an end, a few of whom have begun lighting candles for our favorite boy wizard. The word "deathly" doesn't bode well for Harry's longevity.…
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  • 26 - Sylvia Muffaleto

    Dec 27, 2006 at 11:53 pm

    You don't have to be a HP fan to know when someone doesn't know what they are talking about.

    "it is quite logical that one would conclude she is using "deathly" as an adverb."

    Actually that would only be logical if you didn't pay attention to the previous titles of the books, Kim. Feel free to keep grasping at straws, though.

    There also appears to be some confusion as to the definition of the word "nice" on this thread. Is there an archaic form where it means "ill-informed"? An article that gets its entire premise wrong is not good work.

    One has to wonder if the silent author intentionally wrote the piece just to drum up traffic.

  • 27 - Arlo

    Dec 27, 2006 at 11:59 pm

    Well, you've gone and done it now. Surely you know that taking any critical approach to Harry Potter that results in less than unadulterated praise is grounds for evisceration? At any rate I enjoyed it, thanks.

  • 28 - Danite

    Dec 28, 2006 at 12:39 am

    It's disturbing to me that you would suggest that Rowling read Stephen King's book "On Writing." I say this as one who has read the book. King isn't a particularly artful writer, but he grinds out good, if prolix, prose like an assembly line cranks out cheap cars. In other words, King is not a model of good writing, and the advice King gives about adverbs describing dialogue is borrowed from a piece by Elmore Leonard in any case.

    Rowling stood her ground to editors who told her that kids wouldn't read long books. And she did this in her first volume, before sequels became an issue. Rowling was right, and on the weekend when Deathly Hallows is released, I would hate to be the producer releasing another movie based on comic book heroes. As has happened with the last two books, the movie box office will decline because people are staying home, curled up with a book. A book.

    That's something that even Stephen King can't accomplish.

  • 29 - Danite

    Dec 28, 2006 at 12:46 am

    Kim, the use of the article shows conclusively that the word hallows is a noun. You may as well cop to making an error as silly as the writer's mistaking deathly for an adverb, rather than continuing to buttress your position.

  • 30 - Ron

    Dec 28, 2006 at 12:49 am

    Who the heck cares of JK Rowling uses a lot of adverbs or not? She's worth a billion dollars now thanks to these supposedly badly-written, full of adverbs books. How successful have you been Mr. MJ Ryan with your adverb free writing? Are you worth even 1 million? I don't think so. Coz you care more about whether or not your writing is free of adverbs (and I'm sure other gramatically stupidities), than whether or not you can write a good story, that will be loved by millions. Go f*** yourself.

  • 31 - STOpandthink

    Dec 28, 2006 at 12:58 am

    Come on! Those rules are meant to be broken. I would much rather read something interesting, than something written by the rules.

  • 32 - mystic monsieur

    Dec 28, 2006 at 1:12 am

    first of all u tell me, "what the hell do u think yourself?" you're trying to teach miss rowling! if she has been writing wrong all this years where does she get those awards from? u think a bunch of fools, sitting out there to award her excellence.
    miss rowling is incomparable. no one can compete or take her position.
    she is what we call as perfect.
    so better stop commenting her skills and potentiality....just go to hell!

  • 33 - Michelle

    Dec 28, 2006 at 1:22 am

    As a major fan of the Harry Potter series, I will be what seems to be one of the lone voices here who can be both polite and accusatory regarding the defense of Rowling's work.

    Firstly, Rowling writes for children. Yes, but those children are grown up. Some comments here seem to think that there is only a "spattering" of adult fans. Think again. Visit your local bookstore at midnight when the final book is released and you'll see a heck of a lot more adults than children! The Goblet of Fire film played to more adult eyes than child eyes. Adults read these books and enjoy them. So saying that Rowling's writing style is not mature enough for adults is ridiculous because I'm rather certain adults understand the plot more than most children and therefore get more out of the series.

    Secondly, the title: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - I'm sorry to break this to you MJ Ryan, but Deathly Hallows has to do with the Horcruxes. I can guarantee you that "deathly" is not an adverb as you say. I don't really even see how you could jump to thinking "deathly" was such. It clearly "describes" (what do adjectives do?) hallows, a pluralized noun. The "hallows" are the Horcruxes, sacred relics. Further evidence of this is due to previous trademarks on two titles, Harry Potter and the Hallows of Hogwarts, and Harry Potter and the Hogwarts Hallows. These were found to be previously trademarked as titles. It is a popular theory that these were the titles Rowling was considering and that the official title was the third one which occurred to her. It makes sense because the seventh book will be about Harry's quest to destroy the Horcruxes, but Harry Potter and the Horcrux Hunt sounds a little tacky.

    Thirdly, criticism of Rowling's writing - tut, tut, tut. Yes, Rowling uses adverbs . . . often . . . a lot. But who REALLY cares? Does the abundant use of adverbs somehow give the series a lack of quality? Would you TRULY feel that she's a better writer if she didn't always tell you whether Snape said something silkily or coldly? Because guess what? I think the adverbs add to the writing! Ouch, yes, that must hurt, I know. Breaking Rules of Writing! How terrible. But how is it that such a rule ever became a rule? When you look at the story and you take a character like Snape, it adds to his character when you know he's speaking to Harry quietly (but not menacingly) and when he's speaking to Harry silkily (taunting). There is a difference. The way Rowling describes Snape's actions at times is very much helped by the adverbs. The way he killed Dumbledore in Half-Blood Prince was very different - the way it was described as well as the way his character is described with the use of adverbs throughout that book, versus the other books, is a testament to how the adverbs add to the writing. And yeah, it is better than hearing every time someone speaks (which is often in the series), ". . . ," Hermione said, or, ". . . ," Ron said, or, ". . . ," said Harry. I like hearing that Harry said something sourly and that Hermione said something acidly and that Snape said something menacingly. It adds to the whole story. Rowling's writing is simply known for its adverb use, which is probably part of why her WRITING is so popular!! Because remember, it's not just the story itself, it's the WRITING!

  • 34 - John

    Dec 28, 2006 at 1:56 am

    I read the books and I never had the sense that using adverbs while dialouge can be any annoying. Few months ago, I read an article very similer to this one above complaining that Rowling uses too much exclamation marks while writing. Ryan, you know what they say about journalists, don't you? They are those who failed to become writers.

  • 35 - PersonPlaceorThing

    Dec 28, 2006 at 2:06 am

    Deathly can be used as either an adjective or adverb (adjective if it modifies a noun and adverb if it modifies a verb). The limiting factor here is "Hallows" which is and only is a transitive verb (check Websters). According to all the grammar references I have checked. Verbs are either transitive or intransitive. A transitive verb communicates action and is always followed by an object which receives the action. An object must receive the action of a transitive verb in order to complete the meaning of the verb. The object of a transitive verb is called the direct object if it receives the action directly from the subject.

    Nothing in the title of Harry Potter and the.... makes Hallows anything else but a transitive verb except....if "Deathly Hallows" is being used as a place name - for example if you called the local pub the Deathly Hallows (and I have seen some pubs that could warrent that moniker) - without a direct object upon which Hallows can act - this is a very incomplete phrase.

    BTW, I do agree with the use of adverbs being lazy.......but I love HP series anyway!

  • 36 - IgnatiusReilly

    Dec 28, 2006 at 2:07 am

    I can't wait for your next article, "E. E. Cummings and the Disobedient Punctuation."

  • 37 - Shannon

    Dec 28, 2006 at 2:12 am

    To those arguing that the word "Hallows" in the title is a verb: No. There is no possible way that "hallows" could be used as a verb when it's preceded by "the" and has nothing else following it.

    It's pathetic that people are defending the writer of this article in saying it's possible the word could be being used as an adverb. Obviously those defenders don't know a thing about the English language, either. ;)

  • 38 - PersonPlaceorThing

    Dec 28, 2006 at 3:09 am

    To Shannon - As you state - "There is no possible way that "hallows" could be used as a verb when it's preceded by "the" and has nothing else following it."

    I quite agree - as I said - "Nothing in the title...makes Hallows anything else but a transitive verb except if "Deathly Hallows" is being used as a place name" The use of "the" does not gaurentee that, but it is suggestive of it.

    Please read comments before saying that "defenders don't know a thing about the English language, either." The wink symbol you used does nothing to remove the barb from your written words.

  • 39 - Charlotte

    Dec 28, 2006 at 3:09 am

    Relax people. It's a free country. We are entitled to our opinions. Entitled to our critiques. Entitled to not like adverbs. Likewise, entitled to our adverbs as well as adjectives. It is true, however, that excessive use of adverbs is frowned upon and discouraged in the literary world.

    It is also very true that Rowling ignores that rule and many others and yet seems to succeed in spite or despite it. I think the point M. Ryan was trying to make is that Rowling is a skilled writer, a skilled crafts woman, if you would. Therefore, she does not need the adverbs or adjectives or whatever you choose to call them. I also agree that the title doesn't seem to fit or feel right to me. That doesn't really matter though, seeing how I want to read what is inside and could care less about the title.

    Stephen King does beg writers not to enage in the use of adverbs in the craft of writing. He also admits he is guilty of breaking that rule himself. I was very surprised when I first picked up a Rowling book to see how many times she broke that rule. I find them annoying, but due to her skill can easily ignore them and enjoy the rest of her book.

    It's a free country. It is OK to point out that someone is successful despite their blatantly ignoring steadfast literary rules. It is also OK to be irritated by excessive adverbs. It is OK to critique it. Especially if you appreciate her writing otherwise. So, take a chill pill HP fans! You take yourselves WAY TOO seriously. And, yes. You are also entitled to not like what I say. Life is short, though. Don't get all worked up over it.

  • 40 - Lawrence

    Dec 28, 2006 at 7:30 am

    It’s unfair ! Firstly, Rowling has a beautifully bewitching way of writing. If she has to use adverbs for it, so be it. Secondly, deathly in the title The Deathly Allows is an adjective, not an adverb. Quite a grossly evil mistake !

  • 41 - Dee

    Dec 28, 2006 at 8:23 am

    As one of Harry Potter's oldest fans, I have to say all this plather about writing wrongly, or rightly, is absurd! The books, by the way, are not children's books and were never written as such. The first two movies made the series for children but now that the books have gotten darker, most young children are not being brought to theaters in droves as before. (also, it's because the ones who were small at the beginning have grown with the movies). Why knock JK's writing? Who among us has written anything as popular or successful? Hands please! I thought not. If you don't like Harry Potter, fine by me, just don't think your ramblings will prevent me from seeing it through to the end...hacking my way through the Adverbial Forest is part of the adventure! And I have to comment on the awful spelling of most of the comments. If you're so proficient in grammer, you need to pay as much attention to spelling!

  • 42 - dc21

    Dec 28, 2006 at 8:58 am

    Please keep your simplistic, eighth-grade-English-teacher advice to yourself, especially in light of the fact that J.K. Rowling's writing is far superior to yours.
    Sure, adverbs are evil -- languages are known for keeping around an entire class of words that serve no purpose and should be purged. Condemning an entire class of words as "lazy" is the epitome of laziness. It's one of those moronic rules for better writing similar to "short sentences make for clearer writing." True quality in writing is far more difficult to judge and far more difficult to reduce to a set of nice and tidy rules that can be written on a postcard. And I howled when I saw that you actually use Stephen King's advice on writing to condemn J.K. Rowling? Are you kidding me? King is not terrible, but if ever there was a writer in dire need of an editor, it's Stephen King. First and foremost, he needs an editor to TACKLE him and keep him away from his word processor for a few months. Maybe if someone did that, King would actually put a little thought into his books rather than cranking them out like a factory machine.

  • 43 - Brent

    Dec 28, 2006 at 9:44 am

    I am utterly dismayed by the complete incompetence displayed by some people on the subject of the English language. I am talking to you, Natalie Bennett, Kim, and PersonPlaceorThing.

    In the title, "Hallows" is a noun. There is no sensible debate about it. It is preceded by the definite article (the). It is a noun. It cannot be a verb with "the" preceding it. End of story.

    "Deathly" modifies "Hallows". And what modifies nouns? Yes, that's right, adjectives, and not adverbs. The author is mistaken, and so are all the other dimwits who ran to their dictionaries for answers that it does not give. The structure of the title tells you everything you need to know.

  • 44 - Brent

    Dec 28, 2006 at 9:45 am

    And, uh, Dee, you mispelled "grammar".

  • 45 - Ferdushi

    Dec 28, 2006 at 10:52 am

    HUH!? Oh Lord please help this woman see the light and listen to us sane people who have written valid comments about JK Rowling and her books. The books are fantastic as is the author please see all above comments, Amen

    K that was sarcasm towards the author of the above article, the books are so good that I can't put them down and i wont speak on anyones behalf but just live and let live woman!

  • 46 - Janis

    Dec 28, 2006 at 11:08 am

    This article made me laugh at its absurdity. The author has erred in her indentification of the word "deathly" as an adverb. She makes the elementary school error of identifying a word as an adverb simply because it ends in the suffix "ly."

    Not every word that ends in "ly" is an adverb. In this case, "deathly" most assuredly is functioning as an adjective. When one speaks of a "deathly pallor," it is clear that "deathly" is an adjective modifying the noun "pallor." It is exactly the same in the title "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows."

    As for Stephen King's comments about effective writing, what works for one author does not necessarily work for another. Rowling's style is filled with fascinating elements of linguistics, taken from a deep appreciation of history and culture. These elememts add a special richness to her books. Furthermore, King praised Rowling's writing in their joint appearance in New York City.

    I would not change her title for a moment. In fact, her choice of the word "deathly" as opposed to "deadly" (also an adjective) is significant. I understand it to mean that the "Hallows" are deathlike in appearance, but not necessarily something that will cause death.

    As for "Hallows" referring to Halloween, that is possible, but it is also possible that "Hallows" refers to the Thirteen Hallows of Britain found in the Arthurian legends or the Hallows of Hogwarts which are undoubtedly relics representing the power and magic of tht institution. Another possibility lies in the use of the word to mean a time when the veil between the worlds of the living and dead is at its thinnest. With such a complex word, Rowling has given her readers a puzzle to consider while waiting for the publication of the final book of the septology.

  • 47 - julie

    Dec 28, 2006 at 11:17 am

    hey lets all string her up from the nearest tree for writing an OPINION in her BLOG!

    really people, have some decency. if you don't like it, don't read it. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, factual or not.

  • 48 - Andrea

    Dec 28, 2006 at 11:48 am

    Sorry, but this proves something about blogs and other online publications: No decent magazine appearing in print would publish this review - it would reflect too badly on them. A book critic who cannot tell an adjective from an adverb simply is not very likely to ever appear in print. To avoid misunderstandings: I am very glad about the technical possibilities today, but this shows that one has to think before believing, even more so if it appears somewhere on the web.
    To the author (and anyone interested) a few examples form my English Learners' Grammar:
    daily meetings - we meet daily
    their early arrival - they arrive early
    our monthly meeting - we meet monthly
    (for the last ones in confusion: the examples show the use as an adjective - as an adverb)

  • 49 - Matthew T. Sussman

    Dec 28, 2006 at 11:52 am

    I don't think this has been pointed out yet, but deathly is an adjective.

  • 50 - Victor Plenty

    Dec 28, 2006 at 12:12 pm

    Thanks for noticing, Sussman! Good to see someone finally saw fit to mention that.

    To those putting forward the silly argument that "hallows" must be a verb in the context of Rowling's title, (and I'd thought Natalie Bennett of all people would be far too perspicacious to perpetuate such an egregious error) I shall point out the alternate phrasing for the name of Halloween, which is also sometimes called All Hallows' Eve.

    Look it up. Go ahead, I'll wait.

  • 51 - Michelle

    Dec 28, 2006 at 2:05 pm

    Firstly, I'm not going to enter this little battle thing starting in here, I'm just going to restate what I'd said earlier: The "Deathly Hallows" refers DIRECTLY and CLEARLY to the Horcruxes. There isn't a doubt in my mind that Rowling means Horcruxes; "Deathly Hallows" is NOT an adverb and verb! Would it even make sense if you made it as such? Think about it people; use some sense rather than "rules". How would "Hallows" as a verb fit into the story - what the heck would it even mean in the context of the books?

    Furthermore, to the person above who claims he's "the oldest of the HP fans out there" - guess what, so am I, and I can guarantee you that Rowling specifically published Sorcerer's Stone for children. Read her website, she says she writes for children; or rather, she wrote for an age group of kids who have now grown up and she understands that her writing is now much more adult because her audience is now grown! As is her main character! I was 11 when I first read Sorcerer's Stone, found it in a Scholastic book order catalogue from my middle school. Now I'm at university. Also, Rowling has admitted that her publisher won't let her include strong swearing in the books because they are aiming the books still at kids (Amazon.com lists Half-Blood Prince for 8-12-year olds). And yes, while the first two films were so sacchrine and pathetically childish, it's due to the fact that the director, Chris Columbus, is a hack and he and the studio wanted to make kid films.

    Thirdly, I have to agree that quality writing cannot be judged by simple rules and regulations which I agree are lazy. I believe quality writing, true quality, comes from the ability to bring the whole story to life and to create such fleshed out characters, create a whole kind of world just through words. Rowling by far has done this, better than any writer I've come across thus far. There are some "classics" of "literature" I've read which have the rules and the regulations and the stylistic approach and the qualification of "art" and such and they don't do a thing for me! How is it that a book which is not all that interesting and doesn't draw you in and is simply confusing and has no understandable plot (unless you have a reading guide to supplement it) can be considered superior to something like Harry Potter or White Oleander or Tuesdays with Morrie? I'm basically referencing a book like Billy Budd which I felt was rather pointless for it to be considered a classic, yet someone pretends to call it BETTER than Potter? I find THAT ridiculous!

  • 52 - Scott K

    Dec 28, 2006 at 2:11 pm

    Dear PersonPlaceorThing,

    You state, "Nothing in the title of Harry Potter and the.... makes Hallows anything else but a transitive verb except....if "Deathly Hallows" is being used as a place name," but that's not correct. The article "the" means that what follows it a noun--in this case a noun phrase (adj-noun). Never do verbs follow articles. I'll agree that it is unclear whether Hallows is used as the name of a place or as a gerund (a verb being used as a noun), but in either case, grammatically, it is a noun in the title. Hallows is a noun in this title; there is no ambiguity there.

    I think Shannon was just pointing out that people, others not just yourself, are defending the author saying that Deathly can be used as an adverb. While Shannon was more abusive than than he/she should've been, he/she is right. There is no question that Deathly is an adjective in this title. People who only look up words in the dictionary and see that Deathly "could be" an adverb and that Hallow "is only" a transitive verb concluding that Deathly is an adverb show their ignorance. Like Shannon said, the defenders don't know their English grammar.

  • 53 - Michelle

    Dec 28, 2006 at 2:11 pm

    Just wanted to add that I think in 20 or 30 years Harry Potter will be considered literature and that it will be taught in classrooms and universities. Maybe it won't be considered on the same level as Virginia Woolf or The Scarlet Letter or what have you, but it will have far more prestige later on.

  • 54 - KeithS

    Dec 28, 2006 at 2:30 pm

    Surely this is just another example of the fact that Americans simply don't understand adverbs (or can't even tell them apart from adjectives sometimes), and thus dislike and fear their use. Please let a British writer write in English.

    Lord, she's be using semicolons soon!

    "Doing good?" anyone?

  • 55 - Josh

    Dec 28, 2006 at 3:24 pm

    Uhhh....deathly is an adjective...

  • 56 - Scott K

    Dec 28, 2006 at 3:32 pm

    Thanks, Josh. We'll include you with all the others that the public school system has failed.

  • 57 - Mike

    Dec 28, 2006 at 3:42 pm

    Deathly is not an adverb in the title because there is no verb in the title. It isn't modifying another adverb OR an adjective, so in the title of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Deathly is an ADJECTIVE!

    I hope you see this, because your whole article is based on nothing now.

    And to your rant about adverbs in a story, they give flavor and details to the reader. If you just said, "Pete picked up the book," you've been told nothing about Pete.
    But if you insert an adverb, you tell the reader what condition Pete was in when he picked up the book. If you say "gingerly," then we know Pete is hurt. If you saw "quickly," then we know Pete is in a rush.

    Seriously, what kind of writer are you? Adverbs are necessary for writing full and complete stories.

  • 58 - Matthew T. Sussman

    Dec 28, 2006 at 3:46 pm

    I could be wrong, but in this instance "deathly" is used as an adjective and not an adverb.

  • 59 - Deano

    Dec 28, 2006 at 3:55 pm

    First congrats to MJ for kicking off the longest thread on adverbs I've ever seen. Nice post!

    Second - to all the JK Rowling fans who seem to be having a collective fit over someone deigning to critique The Sacred Writings....why do you care? JKR won't sell a whit less books due to this posting and MJ is hardly the first reviewer to note that Rowling is less than a literary writer. Given a choice between selling a million copies as a moderate wordsmith and selling 3,000 as a literary wunderkind, my choice would always be the million copies, so please lose some of the vehemence and personal attacks on the post author, it is silly.

    Lastly I will point out that grammar is a set of rules and breaking those rules is not a capital offence. William Shakespeare was forever making up new words, coining new phrases and generally playing games with the language to suit himself, his stories and his audience - not worrying about pleasing or offending some grammarian. It was part of what makes his works unique and powerful.

    Adverb, adjective or noun, I'm looking forward to reading Rowlings next opus.

  • 60 - duane

    Dec 28, 2006 at 4:17 pm

    I snidely think that the real question here is: What part of speech is the word 'deathly'? Does anyone snidely know?

  • 61 - musician

    Dec 28, 2006 at 5:30 pm

    hahahahaaa

    This is lovely, I think. Bloody wonderful. See, you'd think, perhaps, that in this sort of discussion the literary critics would be the knowledgeable ones, and sweep the floor with the silly little Potter fans, but nooo... It turns out, tis the Potter fans whom are knowledgeable... :P (go us!!)

    Honestly, everything's been said about 50 times now, so just to sum up:

    Deathly: Adjective and adverb, adjective for sure (very obvious) in this case...
    Hallows: Very obviously in this case a noun (plural!!... wooow... oh really? there's a world outside of Internet dictionaries you say?? King Arthur.. who?? hehehe...)

    Do some research and think for two seconds next time...

  • 62 - Dave

    Dec 28, 2006 at 5:45 pm

    MJ, what are you talking about? You think you know everything about this topic when you really do not know anything at all. Maybe you should think first (and maybe take an IQ test) before you start commenting negatively about the style of writing of one of the best authors of all time. And yes, negatively is an adverb. Personally, I do not see anything wrong with using adverbs in writing. They are used to add description to the writing. If they were not meant to be used, they would not be a part of speech. All I'm saying is that you should not pretend to know ore about writing than JK Rowling.

  • 63 - Jayne

    Dec 28, 2006 at 11:47 pm

    As the article has already been thoroughly (hehe adverb) thrashed I will comment on the comments. First, I am terrible at grammar so when even I notice how moronic it is to say that "'Deathly' is an adverb" in this case, its pretty bad. Second, I strongly (ooo another adverb) agree with all those who who've said that the adverbs add to Jo's writing. The books are far from being "Adverb Hell". Third, I've never been taught that adverb usage is lazy but then again, I went to a public elementary school in Florida so that may explain some things. Whoever said that this person has a right to say what they think and all those who disagree should just leave them alone must not be aware that we have equal right to disagree and say what we think. Finally, I completely agree with Michelle.

    Oh, and just because i dont think its been said enough, deathly,in this case, is an adjective.

  • 64 - Kristie

    Dec 29, 2006 at 12:46 am

    As most of the others replying have stated in the context of this book title "Deathly" seems to be used as an adjective, not an adverb. And as Janice stated in her reply the word "hallows" has a number of definitions that refer to it as a noun. However, since none of us really know exactly what JKR's particular meaning of the title might be (is it a place name, or does it refer to the horcruxes?) do we really have any business bashing her for it?

    Also, in reply to Michelle's comment thatJKR writes for children I'd just like to say that in an interview Ms. Rowling stated that she had never intended Harry Potter to be a children's book. She wrote it as a book initially, with no particular age demographic in mind, but that because the book is about a child the publishers who chose it felt it would be marketable as a children's book.

  • 65 - ohmagolly

    Dec 29, 2006 at 11:00 am

    Well, personally I think the fact that all you die hard Potter fans have been so vicious in your attacks on MJRyan proves a point. You don't care how Rowlings writes, or what. You will defend her to the death just because you don't have a life outside of Harry Potter! A good critic doesn't care what you think of the review - the purpose of it is not to stroke the fans, it is to cause people to think. But wait - I forgot. You CAN'T think for yourselves, you ARE Harry Potter!

  • 66 - Victor Plenty

    Dec 29, 2006 at 12:07 pm

    If I'd known I was Harry Potter, I'd've known "deathly" was an adjective.

  • 67 - jay

    Dec 29, 2006 at 12:44 pm

    1. Deathly in the title is an adjective. If you are going to bash someone else's writing and grammar, get it right yourself please

    2. I totally disagree that JK's writing is over done. Remember she's still trying to write books that are child friendly, even if it's older children. There's a certain writing style that goes with that and it includes such 'spelling out' of feelings etc.

    3. Hallows is a term that means holy and as someone mentioned is probably a reference back to the Horicruxes, the loss of which would spell the complete and final death of Voldy. But the word when said outloud sounds a lot like Hollows. 5 will get you 10 that this is on purpose. Why? to remind us of Godric's Hollow, the place where it all began. And it's only appropriate that the end would take place there as well.

  • 68 - cjk

    Dec 29, 2006 at 1:28 pm

    "the purpose of it is not to stroke the fans, it is to cause people to think"

    It did make me think. I thought, "Anyone who can't tell that Deathly is used as an adjective in the title is an idiot, and their criticism isn't worth much." Thanks for the thought-provoking article, MJ Ryan.

  • 69 - musician

    Dec 29, 2006 at 1:59 pm

    Come on "ohmagolly", Harry Potter-fans don't just read Harry Potter, and, well, who the hell are you to say people you don't know don't have a life? I love the books for what they are. The story is really good, it strings together very well and it happens to bring up important topics as well, without throwing them openly into your face. Also, the story clearly has connections to many of those books we consider the greats, and to mythology, and just because they are easy to read books this doesn't mean that they are trash. Being artful for "artfulness'" sake is being bloody big-headed really.. But if that's what you want to be, really, to base the attempted bashing of Harry Potter that this article was on a book by Steven King (-there's a popular writer if there ever was one, though once again, a good story teller) is really pretty silly...
    I'm a Harry Potter-fan. I also enjoy books by Dostojevskij, Zola, Hesse.. to name but a few... I do not raise Rowling above these authors, I recognise her writing is completely different, but I don't see the point of turning your nose up to a good story and being pretentious... You'll only miss out... I am a thinking person. I am not, as you put it, Harry Potter. I love the books, but I am also a writer, a musician and an artist. What you say about a good critic is true. It is not the purpose of a critic to try to please anybody, but again, as you say, if their purpose is to make people think, don't you think it would be a good idea for the critic to do a bit of thinking as well?

  • 70 - Felicity

    Dec 29, 2006 at 5:55 pm

    In Lord of the Rings, Tolkien used the word “Hallows” in the sense of “sacred sanctuary” to refer to the City of the Dead (the burial place of Gondor’s kings and stewards), and he also used the word “hallow” in the sense of “depression in the earth’s surface” to refer to an area on the side of Mount Mindolluin where a sapling of the White Tree was found growing at the end of the book. Rowling has said in interviews that she read LOTR when she was 19; moreover, she and Tolkien share a love of arcane words and a gift for coining new ones, so I expect she was paying close attention to his word choices (if indeed, she wasn't already aware of those usages).

    It’s a safe bet that Rowling takes her definitions for arcane words from the Oxford English Dictionary. There are three entries in the OED for "Hallow" as a noun, two entries for "Hallow" as a verb, and two miscellaneous entries; "Deathly" has four definitions as an adjective and two as an adverb. It’s absurd to think that interpretations of "Deathly Hallows” must be limited to the definitions found in standard American dictionaries (let alone the entries in lightweight online dictionaries).

    It’s obvious to me that “Hallows” in the title "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" is a noun; therefore, “Deathly” is an adjective.

    Oxford English Dictionary entries:

    Hallow, Noun (1)

    1. A holy personage, a saint. (Little used after 1500, and now preserved only in All-Hallows and its combinations, q.v.)

    2. In pl. applied to the shrines or relics of saints; the gods of the heathen or their shrines. In the phrase to seek hallows, to visit the shrines or relics of saints; orig. as in sense 1, the saints themselves being thought of as present at their shrines. Cf. quot. c1440 in 1.

    3. hallow- in Comb. (chiefly in Sc.) is used for All-Hallow- = All Saints'-, in Hallow-day, Hallow-e'en, Hallowmas, Hallow-tide; also hallow-fair, a fair or market held at Hallowmas; hallow-fire, a bonfire kindled on All-hallow-e'en, an ancient Celtic observance.

    Hallow, Noun (2)

    A loud shout or cry, to incite dogs in the chase, to help combined effort, or to attract attention.

    Hallow, Noun (3)

    Obs. The parts of the hare given to hounds as a reward or encouragement after a successful chase.

    Hallow, Verb (1)

    1. trans. To make holy; to sanctify, purify.

    2. To consecrate, set apart (a person or thing) as sacred to God; to dedicate to some sacred or religious use or office; to bless a thing so that it may be under the particular protection of a deity, or possess divine virtue. arch.

    3. To honour as holy, to regard and treat with reverence or awe (esp. God or his name).

    4. trans. To keep (a day, festival, etc.) holy; to observe solemnly.

    Hallow, Verb (2)

    1. trans. a. To chase or pursue with shouts. b. To urge on or incite with shouts. c. To call or summon in, back, etc. with shouting.

    2. intr. To shout, in order to urge on dogs to the chase, assist combined effort, or attract attention.

    3. trans. To shout (something) aloud.


    Hallow, int.

    Obs. An exclamation to arouse to action, or to excite attention.


    Hallow: obscure form of Hollow


    Deathly, Adjective

    †1. Subject to death, mortal. Obs.

    2. Causing death, deadly.

    3. Of the nature of or resembling death, deathlike; gloomy, pale, etc. as death.

    4. Of or pertaining to death. poetical.


    Deathly, Adverb

    †1. In a way causing or tending to death. Obs.

    2. To a degree resembling death.

  • 71 - anonymous

    Dec 30, 2006 at 2:31 am

    So. Let me pose a question to the people who are get all heated up about this article. Just because someone is a famous writer, it means no one is allowed to critique his/her work from a literary standpoint? Get a grip people.

    Rowling's creative writing is superb. Her literary writing is good/fair. Have I seen better literary work as far as the "craft" or literary part goes? Yes. There are better writers in the CRAFT of writing. But Rowling is one of the best where it COUNTS. That is: in the creative and compelling part of writing (you know- where it matters most).

    The point is we like her books regardless. I'd rather read someone who has vivid creative writing with compelling plot lines who (regarding gramar/literary) writes in a mediocre fashion than read a perfect literary piece of work that is drab and boring. (And, yes- that was a run on sentence. Suck it up people).

    On a side note, here: the grammar/adverb thing- let her EDITORS deal with it. That's what they're paid the big bucks for. If they let her slide on this stuff, who cares?

    Furthermore, Ryan was giving an OPINION so get off her back. And who cares if it's an adjective or adverb? Stop with the stupid argument people. Adjective. Adverb. You're above that nonsense. We love Rowling and we're going to read her stuff anyways, right? So loosen up and let a critic do her thing- critique. (I will not be held responsible for any grammar/spelling errors- so get off my back too).

  • 72 - Kristie

    Dec 31, 2006 at 12:03 am

    "So. Let me pose a question to the people who are get all heated up about this article. Just because someone is a famous writer, it means no one is allowed to critique his/her work from a literary standpoint? Get a grip people."

    anonymous, no one here is disputing the fact that MJRyan has the right to critique JKR's writing from a literary standpoint. What people are objecting to is the fact that the person doing the critiquing clearly doesn't even know basic grammar. It seems a bit presumptuous of her to hold herself up as an authority on writing and grammar when she can't even tell an adverb from an adjective.

  • 73 - j.k. Too

    Dec 31, 2006 at 12:14 am

    M.J. could be right, but she could also be wrong. J.K. could be right or wrong also. But my bet is on J.K.

    According to the Dictionary, "DEATHLY" is defined either as an ADJECTIVE--Of, resembling, or characteristic of death: a deathly silence.
    Causing death; fatal.

    OR

    As an ADVERB--In the manner of death.

    And HALLOWS according to Oxford is either a verb--To make holy; consecrate, honour as holy.

    OR

    As a noun--(archaic) A saint or holy person.

    Sounds like J.K. is covered either way. Besides she likes to make us think.

    j.k. Too


  • 74 - Dave

    Dec 31, 2006 at 12:38 pm

    hey ohmagolly, what a frickin' babyish name, and also, go f*** yourself.

  • 75 - Felicity

    Dec 31, 2006 at 4:39 pm

    JK Too-

    The phrase Deathly Hallows is preceded by a definite article (the), which means Hallows must be a noun and Deathly must be an adjective. The meaning of "the Deathly Hallows" is ambiguous, but the parts of speech are not.

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