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These collective last minute sexual complaints against Arnold Schwarzenegger are SO utterly bogus. For starters, this last minute sliming constitutes just exactly the kind of nasty politics of personal destruction that the Democrats claim to hate- especially all the anonymous charges.

However, even defenders of Arnold in the press generally start out by conceding that these are “serious charges.” Even being totally unfair to Arnold by assuming for the sake of argument that the factual claims of these charges are pretty much all true, these are NOT serious charges.

People accuse him of “sexually harassing” women, and even of criminal wrongdoing, “sexual assault.” These are vague terms that do not describe his actual supposed actions. Using “to sexually harass” as a verb is bogus because it does not describe any action.

What he has been accused of actually doing basically is feeling women up. No one to my knowledge has even accused him of anything like rape. Unlike the former POTUS, no one has even accused him of whipping out the penis without permission. Apparently he does take no for an answer. He’s just jumping a couple of steps in how he’s asking, stealing second as it were. Getting grab-handy isn’t necessarily very nice, but it’s nonsense to try to trump it up into criminal charges.

The most appropriate response to such an unwelcome advance would generally be simply for the woman to slap his face and tell him to get lost. End of story.

Instead, women are encouraged now to decide to feel traumatized and victimized by any minor bit of unwelcome attention. If someone grabs you and drags you off behind the bushes, THAT is a rape. It’s a violent act intended to cause suffering. It dilutes and thus discounts the significance of real sexual violence to call copping a feel a “sexual assault.”

Now it would perhaps be getting to some meaningful use of the words “sexual harassment” if Arnold was pressuring women with professional considerations. If he was telling women that he’d get them fired from their jobs if they didn’t put out, then that would be significantly abusive. If the woman told him to get lost, and he kept following her around, that would start getting significantly bad pretty quick.

However, I’ve seen nothing suggesting such behavior from Arnold, nor would I expect to. It’s not like he would NEED to do crap like that. Most women would WANT Mr. Universe to make advances. Even by dragging $100 bills through every trailer park in the country, the media and Democrat machine has only managed to come up with less than two dozen women to accuse Arnold of unwanted advances. That suggests that 99%+ of his intended playmates were pleased by his attention.

Being Mr. Universe, a millionare businessman AND a movie star, I’d be disappointed if Arnold hadn’t been humping everything in sight. What a waste that would have been.

I don’t particularly care about Schwarzenegger one way or the other, but extreme liberal hypocrisy on sexual issues does annoy me. On the one hand, they tend to promote all kinds of “tolerance,” in practice really not just accepting but actively encouraging all stripes of sexual promiscuity and deviance.

On the other hand, when men actually ACT on these messages, the pinkos are ready to throw cops and lawyers on them. Hey, humping everything is just good clean fun, but even LOOKING at a woman the wrong way and time now can get you a million dollar lawsuit and cops called on you.

Arnold is obviously pretty aggressive at getting what he wants. He’s super competitive.

However, he is not violent or even particularly ill-tempered. He’s never been accused of rape, nor even, say, punching out paparazzi. You’d be hard pressed to come up with him so much as yelling at someone.

By the standards of his time and place, he may understandably have thought that he was simply being, as he puts it, “playful.” These boundaries are legitimately confusing, especially to a young man with ultra-high levels of testosterone flowing through him. The normal thing for male mammals to do is to jump on a female and start humping.

Humans have developed considerably more refined sensibilities, however, so this is not appropriate civilized behavior. We have to figure out more appropriate boundaries. Grabbing at women unannounced is not good. You can’t really expect men to go around carrying ink pens and consent forms as some fools seem to want, but some modest courtesy should prevail.

Arnold seems to have about the right response. As a personally more mature older man in a more sensitive time, he recognizes that those old ways aren’t getting it. Again unlike the former POTUS, he didn’t go on some search and destroy mission against his accusers. Instead, he has accepted the responsibility for his inappropriate behavior. He has publicly apologized. That should be the end of it.

And Arnold copping a feel on a movie set ten years ago has what to do with being governor?

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  • http://www.tude.com/ Hal Pawluk

    “However, I’ve seen nothing suggesting such behavior from Arnold, nor would I expect to.”

    Do you actually know him well enough that you would have seen the behavior?

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    So the deal is that we should now assume that he’s probably guilty of stuff he hasn’t even been accused of? What kind of Orwellian crap is that?

  • http://www.tude.com/ Hal Pawluk

    Apparently you didn’t understand the question, as your response is a total non sequitur.

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    I’m somewhat appalled by Al’s line of reasoning here, but his response is not a non sequitir. You asked a question and rather than replying he questioned the basis of your question. Evasion, sure, but not a non sequitir.

  • http://www.well.com/~srhodes Steve Rhodes

    How would you like it if someone grabbed your cock against your will? Or grabbed the breasts of a woman you cared about?

    How do you know these are bogus charges? Have you investigated them? Talked to any of the women? Even read the LA Times stories.

    If you had read the stories, you’d know one of the charges is Arnold got undressed in front of an assistant director on Twins when she told him to stop.

    And what about the extreme conservative hypocrisy of the people who attacked Clinton (who I thought was a thug and never voted for), but say the charges against Arnold must be bogus? And use some of the same rhetoric against these women that Clinton supporters used against the women who accused him?

  • http://www.makeyougohmm.com/ TDavid

    I don’t agree with Al on subjects like Black Sabbath, but I actually do agree with some of what he is saying in this article. Careful now, I said some of.

    Best article I’ve seen on this whole Arnold thing and I believe I’ve read them all here. Now don’t get your head swelled, Al, because I still think you got a long way to get that hex off your library desk.

  • http://www.tude.com/ Hal Pawluk

    “Evasion, sure, but not a non sequitir.”

    It is a non-sequitur, as the content of his response does not follow from my question.

    It is evasive, too, of course.

    It’s a technique often employed deliberately to redirect and/or deflect an argument. More often it’s just a fallacious argument.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    Hal, no one has accused you of sexual relations with farm animals. How do you respond?

    My knowledge of Arnold comes from the media, same as yours. I’ve never claimed otherwise. I’m not going to believe everything I hear in the press, and I’m certainly not going to start believing a bunch of bad stuff that hasn’t even been alleged.

    I fail to see how I’m evading anything. There’s nothing here to evade. Do you deny the charges? What charges? We’ll think some up on the way down to the station.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    Thank you, TDavid. Perhaps if I agree to get a pentagram tattoo Ozzy will let me have my computer back.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    I disagree with a lot of your arguments, but I’ll comment on just one point. You said:

    “The most appropriate response to such an unwelcome advance would generally be simply for the woman to slap his face and tell him to get lost. End of story.”

    That’s easy for a man to say, and it’s the type of response a man might give to another man. But women, for good reason, are taught to *avoid* physical confrontation and to just get away quickly. Women just can’t hit a guy and expect it to have a positive effect, no matter what he might have done to deserve it. And that’s with men of normal size and stature. I would never hit a man for doing what Arnold is accused of doing, although I’d want to. And hell would have to freeze over before I’d physically confront a guy of Arnold’s build. No way. Nuh uh. Never. Nope.

  • Eric Olsen

    I believe Al is coming from a relatively chivalrous place where men don’t hit back when they are slapped for good cause. But surely no one can count on that anymore. And who knows how a person would respond who had shown the bad manners and lack of respect toward women Arnold apparently did.

    Al is minimizing, the left is maximizing, but Arnold would have to go a lot further down the road of repentance and amends before I would absolve him.

  • Dawn

    He is of the appropriate size for a nice swift kick in the nads though. Although his are probably a little shrunken and recessed from all of the “roid” action he has seen in his life.

    I am sure Arnold is a womanizer and has crude behavior that most women might find offensive. I think it comes from A.) being European and B.) being a celebrity, but I doubt he is vicious or malevolent. He just seems really dopey and wants to show off, like every other pumped up bodybuilder I have ever known.

  • debbie

    Al,

    I’m disappointed in you, you say:

    “Getting grab-handy isn’t necessarily very nice, but it’s nonsense to try to trump it up into criminal charges.”

    I say:
    The offense includes a sexual touching when the offender knows or has reasonable cause to believe the touching is offensive. In this regard, if the person engaging in sexual contact has no reasonable grounds to believe his conduct is offensive to the object of his attentions, or if the person touched is not in fact offended, there is no offense. The section also prohibits sexual contact when the victim’s judgment is obviously impaired, or when the victim is unaware of the touching. Further, the section forbids sexual contact when the victim is in early adolescence and the offender is age 18 or over and 4 or more years older than the victim.

    Since the offense is of a type which may be particularly susceptible to abuse in prosecution, the section specifically provides that there can be no conviction based solely on the uncorroborated testimony of the victim.

    Sexual imposition is a misdemeanor of the third degree.

    You also say:
    “Being Mr. Universe, a millionare businessman AND a movie star, I’d be disappointed if Arnold hadn’t been humping everything in sight. What a waste that would have been.”

    Do you have the morals of a dog? Why is it automatically assumed that “men” can’t control their actions, that they can’t be faithful family men? Why would anyone applaud that?

    You say:
    “Grabbing at women unannounced is not good. You can’t really expect men to go around carrying ink pens and consent forms as some fools seem to want, but some modest courtesy should prevail.”

    I say: It is more than just “modest courtesy”, you do not have the right to touch me, I am not a “thing” nor am I a personal “toy”. I am a person, with the same rights as you, I do not have to allow nor tolerate someone groping me in any manner and there is legal redress for that type of behavior. It is illegal.

    I don’t know what the situation was with these women but to have you just treat it as “boys will be boys” really does a disservice to women. He is not a boy, he is a man and he is expected to act like one. That means that bad conduct will not be excused and he will not get a free pass on it.

    When a man walks up and “gropes” a woman do you really think that it is not about power?

    That being said, I don’t know if the allegations are true or not, I don’t know what the situation was or how long ago they took place. If it was recent, and it actually involved physically touching women and not just crude jokes and winks, then it would show something about his character. If he would already feel powerful enough to “feel up” women now, what would he feel powerful enough to do if he were governor?

    But to be honest, I think that most of this was a smear campaign on Arnold, I don’t think that most of it is true. I think that the charges are “serious” in that it would show some serious character flaws.

    The bit about Hitler, was crap….

  • http://www.curmudgeonlyclerk.com/weblog The Curmudgeonly Clerk

    Barger writes:

    Getting grab-handy isn’t necessarily very nice, but it’s nonsense to try to trump it up into criminal charges.

    I can only assume that Barger is not a lawyer, because he has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to the law, criminal or otherwise. Schwarzenegger’s conduct was, in fact, criminal if true as alleged.

  • Celeste

    ” But women, for good reason, are taught to *avoid* physical confrontation and to just get away quickly. Women just can’t hit a guy and expect it to have a positive effect, no matter what he might have done to deserve it.”

    Wow. I wasn’t raised like that at all. My mother taught me that good girls didn’t cuss, spit, or let men touch them without permission. She also taught me that if they did, I should fight back – hard – with every dirty trick I could think of, and that there was nothing too low or too painful to use to get a guy to stop.

    She taught me that, because she worried that if something did happen, not fighting would be interpreted as having given consent.

    I got in trouble for it in school a time or two – I had a few teachers who seemed to think that I should sit quietly while guys tried to feel me up rather than raise a fuss – but even though I’ve been violently assaulted by men a couple of times, they’ve never succeeded in raping me.

  • http://chronotope.com filchyboy

    It’s pretty well known around here that you just don’t let your wives, mothers, daughters work for Arnold. None of this is new. Too bad it took the media so long to catch up to what those of us who live around here know so well.

    Here’s a pic of the little one and I doing our best to support Arnold!

  • http://chronotope.com filchyboy
  • Eric Olsen

    Hey Filchy, you are most humorous.
    The link on #16 is working fine.