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Barry Minkow and The White Don King

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Tired of your dead-end job? Why not become a convicted fraud felon and sell your secrets to the FBI!

Seriously. Meet Barry Minkow at his FDI site. (Yes, FDI, not FBI.)

Here’s a guy who once went to prison for schlepping hundreds of millions of dollars from consumers in the 1980s. He even once bunked with a convicted murderer, and his biography claims that he spent seven years in prison among many of the “nation’s leading white-collar criminals.”

Apparently, they taught him how to play the PR game to the hilt. It seems these days that most people convicted of some sort of crime tend to find God or some religion when all else fails. Folgers Coffee drinkers – take heed – you’ve got competition with Insta-Religion and Insta-Credibility poured in for good measure.

As always, to best perpetuate fraud, it requires that you establish some form of credibility with your victim. I don’t know Minkow, but his FDI website looks conspicuously like the FBI in terms of acronyms. It does sound a bit misleading. I imagine the fun I’d have if I worked at the FDI:

“FREEZE!! YOU’RE UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE FDI!!”

“Wha- the… ?”

“Nah, man! Just joking with you! I said FDI! Not FBI! Didn’t you catch that?”

“Uhh-”

“You ok? Buddy, you ain’t looking too good. You need a what? A heart – oh, a heart attack? You’re having a heart attack? What’s the name of your church? I’ll investigate them! Don’t worry, if you die, I’ll be sure to investigate the hell outta them! Here’s my card. Praise Jesus.”

I read a bit more into the FDI website and found that Minkow thrives on killing Christian churches, even though he leads his own church. Wow! Talk about eliminating competition! Minkow has got it down pat! Jailhouse rules seem to apply to Minkow: to survive, one must eliminate the competition. Included is a "frauds gone wild" video segment on the FDI website. Imagine half-naked, barely legal girls dancing and frolicking for accountants during tax season.

The Wall Street Journal recently reported his latest target is a vitamin supplement distributor, Usana Health Sciences. Reading his responses to Usana’s defamation lawsuit had me wondering what Minkow does for a hobby. The whole website, as I mentioned previously, is one giant Minkow self-promotional blog – even if it’s hidden under the pretenses of being some institute of fraud – and I find the whole Usana vs. Minkow to be less about consumers and more about Minkow.

The odd thing Minkow does in his press release is try to laugh at Usana for picking a personal fight. The guy had to know that Usana (or anyone) Minkow went after would first point out the fact that Minkow is a fraudulent convict, and still hasn’t repaid his restitution. He claims it doesn’t matter, because the crux of the issue is that he found fraud at Usana and even offers his prison ID number, and I can’t help but wonder if Minkow is feeling nostalgic about his time in prison. Maybe he wants to go back and bunk with his buddy, the convicted murderer?

Except it does matter. To not find fraud would represent the loss of untold man-hours and money spent poring over financial documents, hiring CPA’s and other accounting people to find “clues”. It would also represent the loss of potential income for Minkow and the mirage that is known as FDI.

In simple terms: no fraud is equitable to no money. To find fraud would mean to create a huge windfall, especially for consulting fees, such as Minkow utilizes with the FBI. But what happens when no fraud is found and bills must be paid, such as massive restitution fees?

Create fraud, or at least the appearance of it! Supposing that, ultimately, no fraud is found on the part of Usana, and the defamation suit presses forth and Usana wins, then Minkow will lose much of his credibility and ability to demand exorbitant consulting fees. That would be an unacceptable option for a man as deeply in debt as Minkow. If you create the appearance of fraud, you’ve got some time to sell yourself as an expert and demand higher fees for consultations. Plus, if at a later date, someone within Usana became convicted of fraud – even if Minkow had nothing to do with it – then kudos could be heaped upon Minkow simply for throwing the word “fraud” at Usana officials.

In short, Minkow has only two options: to find fraud or create it. It’s that simple. Additionally, the court papers filed by Usana suggest that Minkow rushed in his haste to financial glory.  I don’t know. Something sounds fishy. I’m still drawn back to his FDI website and I chuckled to myself because of the acronymic similarity to FBI. Then I remember something I read somewhere a long time ago, “the best lies always have a figment of truth to them.” I’m not saying Minkow is a liar, but much of the FDI website offers generalities and few specifics. He could quite possibly be deceiving people because he claims to have never missed a restitution payment, but fails to mention if he always paid $5,000 a month or just $50 per month. Either way, it’s ambiguous at best, and misleading or downright fraudulent at worst.

Moreover, the idea of private fraud “discovery” organizations existing solely on the premise of offering consultations and investigations seems unethical in this case. It seems unethical because Minkow is obviously money-driven, and as people know, money is rarely a good motivator for ethical conduct.

Who’s to know if Minkow is motivated entirely by greed? Suppose he wants to be rid of the restitution fees that he still owes, even to one victim? What if he needs more money because he wants a bigger house? Relying on Medicare-addicted, 98-year-old Granny, who feels cheated because her prayers weren’t answered at her church and hired Minkow to investigate her unanswered prayers seems counterproductive and hardly represents any opportunity to garner any significant fees for Minkow. Maybe there is a reason why he’s an expert at elderly fraud.

Relying on elderly people to fund his crusades is not a proper theory; in fact the contending theory is that Minkow wants fame and fortune now. You do realize that it’s been 20 years since Minkow was caught stealing people’s money, and maybe that’s what it is: Minkow wants to celebrate the once-good-lifestyle he had. The best way to do that? Make a huge splash in the media. So far, so good.

Still, the best part about Minkow’s deal is that he’s not even licensed to be a fraud investigator, even though FDI itself is a licensed investigator. If anything, that sounds fishy to me. Who needs licensing when the organization can be licensed? I should ask certain people back home about licensing and how organizational licensing seems to defeat the whole premise of licensing individuals.

I don’t want to go to prison. I don’t want to be somebody’s bitch in prison – especially a convicted murderer’s. I think I’ll take a page out of Minkow’s book and tell people that I’ve been to prison before (but of course, I’ll omit the fact that I went for a college class field trip) and that I’m a born-again Christian (I was once, but am now an atheist), and create an organization called Fight Back Institute (FBI) and be paid exorbitant fees so I can live the good life.

I’m giving up my MBA degree. I don’t need any stinking degrees anymore. I’ll claim fraud within any organization and hope that soon, someone will be accused of fraud and then be convicted and then I can claim that I did it all and that it was my expertise that started the chain-reaction and that I’ll be writing a book shortly afterward – and that I’ll be training more idiots on fraud prevention, and converting all that publicity into money so I can live lavishly, because … well … I can. Just like Minkow.

I don’t know if Barry Minkow is still a fraud these days. The FDI website looks a bit shady, if nothing else, because it’s entirely self-promotional and all about Barry Minkow. I’m even surprised that Minkow himself doesn’t refer himself in the third person. And the fact that the FDI contains the “FRAUDS GONE WILD!” videos suggests that Minkow is more about sensationalism and material greed than the ethical, honest and integrity-driven pursuit of the truth.

Fraud or not, Barry Minkow sure knows how to fool people. And, he knows how to milk PR for every cent its worth, too. Whether he’s misleading people or simply pursuing the truth, his track record reminds me of an old proverb:

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Whatever happened to Don King, anyway?

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  • JustOneMan

    So Paoti…how long have you been working for Usana Health Sciences? Not sure what point your making? Guy served time now he’s using some great PR techniques to promote his book and vanity site…stope being so jealous!

    JOM

  • http://bizop.ca Michael Webster

    You should take the time to read the entire 500 page report.

    It addresses important legal issues regarding the regulation of the entire mlm industry.

  • http://www.sandiegocbc.org/love/app/hdis/blank.html?min_id=50 Steve Logan

    Michael (above) is right. You should take the time to read the entire report and address the Message instead of attacking the messenger.I am not defending Minkow’s criminal past, but just because someone did wrong in the past does not make them incapable of doing right in the future. In fact, to the Liberal way of thinking, isn’t that the whole basis for “rehabilitation” instead of “punishment” in our prison system. (by the way, I don’t buy into this whole “rehab” thinking, but the liberal media seems to embrace it wholeheartedly). Also, you mention the “Frauds Gone Wild” video series that Minkow produced and now sales, and in doing so you inferred that “half-naked, barely legal girls dancing and frolicking…” were involved and shown in the videos, proves that your research of Minkow is as fraudulent as you claim him to be. These videos are to help people from being duped and there is no mention or visual of any loose women or risque behavior. I think that JustOneMan may be onto something when he asked “how long have you worked for Usana?”

  • Justin Tyme

    Mr. Minkow says that he found Christ in prison. Which version of “Christ” did he find? Even putting that aside, he states that his life is about finding “redemption”. Well, to me, he’s going about it entirely wrong and doing untold and ever expanding harm in the process. To me, redemption would be about helping something perform or function better! For example, in the case of USANA, it would have been far better and appropriate to have offered suggestions on how to have USANA be an even better company. Instead, he chose to do the same old thing he’s always done which is to try to be the “King” and control (i.e., manipulate and exploit) others, stock, etc only this time he’s doing it cloaked in the “self-righteous” clothes of “religion”, “God”, the “FBI”, so-called “good guy” finding the “bad guys”, etc ad nausem. He hasn’t changed! He’s still being dominated by an inferior “super-ego” and out to draw attention to himself so he can make all kinds of money “legally”, which is fine, but he’s doing it “unethically” in my book.

  • Justin Tyme

    An additional comment! Mr. Minkow says that “in the spirit of full disclosure” he states he’s been paid to do the investigation. That is obviously and blatantly NOT full disclosure.

    Full disclosure would be to state in clear and complete detail everything about “who” paid him, why, how much, for how long, what the money will be used for, and so on leaving out absolutely nothing. Did he do this? Absolutely not! Smells funny to me!

  • Jose_Noway

    I’ve read the whole 500 page report, and its half truths and opinion. The funny thing is that the guy obviously knows nothing about MLM companies or USANA, evident by when he’s not talking off a script. Instead he goes and gets the most anti-MLM people out there and has them feed him his lines.

    I don’t do MLMs, I just found this one funny because its in my new hometown of SLC, and I studied Minkow in school (I’m a CPA). He’s obviously just, as one author put it about Minkow, “the most convincing criminal I’ve ever met”. Every argument he’s made, save the one about Waitley (reknowned speaker that USANA didn’t make, but used and had on their board), has holes in them that he’s intentionally leaving out. He’s just a fraud of man.

  • Justin Tyme

    Has anyone watched the video clips of Mr. Minkow? Reminds me of the stereotypical “used car salesman” completely with dodgy eyes, exaggerated body movements, hyperactivity, unsettledness, hype, etc. I just don’t get that he is an honest well-meaning man. In fact, just the opposite.

    Also, it seems fishy to me that someone born into a Jewish family engrained in the Jewish religion would “go bad” then find “Christ” in jail, then become a “minister”, the start a church, and then set out to “redeem” himself by trying to find organizations, companies, individuals, etc who look like they are doing the same thing he did for which he spent several years in jail for and was ordered to pay multiple millions in restitution fees. Me thinks that his “spots” have not changed. In fact, he’s doing the very same think only trying to cloack/hide it under the umbrella of becoming a “bad good turned good” as a result of “finding Christ”. And what an effective way this formula has been to get back into the graces of fellow Christian religionists who tend to overlook and not recognize a wolf in sheeps clothing!

  • TC

    To read the 500 page report on Usana and not comprehend it’s implications, speaks to the cult-like dynamic of it’s members, that takes place in MLM, the denial of the scam and ignorance on securities laws. Other than comparing the wrong kind of vitamins, chemical vitamins to the whole food vitamins, the report has merit, otherwise the SEC would not have opened an investigation. I know I have been regulated by the SEC for 18 years. The price is still high compared to other whole food organic vitiamins. This company has crossed the line. When the SEC charges them with securities fraud the top will crumble and the stock will fall. And Dr. Myron will be out of the country on a pile of cash. Attack and defend the message not the messanger. Who better than a former bad guy turned good cop to expose the truth. Just like Frank Abagnale Jr and the FBI. The reason Usana is attacking the messanger is they cannot defend against the truth.

  • Lisa

    Minkow is deceptive. The statistics that he points out are taken out of context.

    He claims only 14% of sales are to customers. Not true. Minkow was only looking at customers that are on a monthly autoship program, called “preferred customers”. He does not count any single product orders. Very deceptive.

    Also, many “would be” preferred customers sign up as associates instead ($20 one time fee), so they can earn a commission check here and there for referring a few people. My dad, sister, and mother in law are examples. This artificailly inflates the stated number of associates. This helps explain why only 37% of “associates” earned commissions in 2005.

    USANA actually did a survery 2 years ago of 43,000 associates and asked why they joined the business. 75.69% said it was primarily to improve their health. Only 24.31% said it was primarily to improve their financial future. Of those 24% some said they wanted to make a couple hundred a month extra and some said they wanted to replace their income.

    This is not to say that everyone who wants to make money does. Some people do not do the work that it takes to be successful. Others aren’t trained adequately. But the situation is not as dire as the statistics make it seem when they are taken out of context.

    Lisa

  • http://diizy.com diizy

    hey guys, if anyone knows Usana, then everyone knows Sterling. Biggest associate there is, he’s told me about Minkow’s ways, and hes still a fraud.

    He’s taking Usana’s stock and making millions of it dropping. (It’s gone down I think $40 in the last 90 days). This guy has to be stopped, once a scam ALWAYS A SCAM.

    Don’t ask me to recite my sources because I wont give you them, I know Sterling Ottesen and he’s getting screwed over by this guy. The whole company is… this is uncalled for and unecessary. Why not go after Ameriplan or 4life or some crappy MLM. I’ll try my best to expose this guy.

    Ps. I’m not a Usana associate either.

  • Juntin Tyme

    Mr. Barry Minkow’s newest D-Grade, self-made, video is simply mind-boggling and absolutley riddled with inaccuracies, leading questions, guided response, etc. To someone with even the slightest bit of experiential knowledge of network marketing would be able to instantly spot his shyster tactics. His few cherry-picking questions asked to evoke certain pre-calculated responses ought to be illegal enough to put him back behind bars. Any intelligent responsible human being could ask the couple he interviewed a few direct and simple questions that would expose quickly how they didn’t take responsibility for educating themselves about the business; they apparently didn’t closely read the “Policies & Procedures” and other material that they should have read since it was “their” business; that they quit early which is why they didn’t make any money; they “blame” others and the company and everything and everyone else for their “failure”; they didn’t take advantage of the legal tax deductions and write-offs which would have saved them thousands of dollars; plus much much more! It was obviously an extremely prejudicial shoddy video aimed painting a negative picture of USANA when all it really does if you watch it closely is reveal the dark side of Mr. Minkow and the lack of self-responsibility on the part of those being interviewed. And why would anyone spend $6,000 on their business? That’s so stupid! What were they thinking? I think they made up that figure to appear “victimized” so those watching the video would feel sorry for them rather than see how stupidly they went about building and taking responsibility for having their business be successful.

    And to think that Mr. Minkow “represents” Jesus Christ and the Christian Religion. Well, as the old saying goes, “Even the Devil can quote scripture!” and “Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing. This is the way they’ll enter the Church!” “They come to destroy, not to reveal and honor the truth!”

  • http://usana.com Steve

    I feel sorry for the couple in Minkow’s video who failed at their Usana business. I also feel sorry for my neighbor who failed as a salesperson at a local Lexus dealership in my area. The stars of the Minkow video didn’t have a clue about how to succeed in Usana just as my neighbor didn’t have a clue about how to sell a Lexus to upscale customers. But one of the crucial questions to ask in the Minkow-Usana matter is: who’s paying Minkow to carry this ball and how much is he being paid. Secondly, why did he short sell Usana stock and then come out with his report. Minkow is what he is…a convicted stock fraud felon, a make believe preacher an a self serving, self promoting guy who’s in debt for what’s been reported to be about 19 million dollars.

  • Al

    What about all the share holders Mr.Minkow hurt with his lies about Usana. What about the profits he made by making those remarks and causing the stock to drop for his own personal gain. He is only looking out for himself. But one day he will have to answer to the almighty. Mr. Minkow is just a wolf in sheeps clothing

  • Justin Tyme

    Below is a copy of an article written by an acquaintance of mine who is NOT affiliated with USANA. I believe it is well worth reading very closely!

    Justin

    “Minkow’s USANA Attack: Why The Industry Should Take Note!

    Because of my intimate knowledge of USANA, I have had several phone calls about the company and several asking for my opinion on the current dispute between USANA and Mr. Barry Minkow from the Fraud Discovery Institute.

    In response to the inquires, I’ll take the next few posts to outline my opinions and to invite others to provide me with their insight and perspective.

    WHY DIRECT SELLERS FROM ALL COMPANIES SHOULD BE CONCERNED!

    During a recent call with a Wall Street Analyst, I was asked, “Why do you think Minkow is doing this? How is he profiting if he has shorted only a few hundred USANA shares?”

    My answer is “I have no idea,” but if I were investigating this I would see how many other direct selling companies Minkow has shorted. In other words, if I am Minkow, I know that everyone will ask “how many USANA shares are you shorting?” BUT, would they ask me, “How many Mannatech shares, NuSkin Enterprises shares, Reliv shares or shares of Nature’s Sunshine are you shorting?” — probably not.

    You see, investors who are putting money in this industry are often watching the reports and activities of the whole industry to get clues as to the direction their investment might be heading. Reports of delays in China from one company, usually causes analysts following that company’s competitors to reassess their projections based on the likelihood that their company may also experience the same delays.

    USANA is one of a handful of the publicly-traded network marking companies with significant good will among institutional investors on Wall Street. (If you don’t believe me look how many of the analysts have stuck with the company through these charges).

    In fact, I have personally spoken with analysts about the company and know first hand how they view USANA. Therefore, an attack on USANA is likely to impact all of the network marketing public stocks.

    Indeed, Minkow’s attack on USANA should be a concern to all network marketing companies (public or private) for the following reasons:

    1) If Minkow convinces the FTC to take a closer look at network marketing practices, the industry could lose significant ground gained from years of good behavior and consistent education led by the Direct Selling Association (www.dsa.org). No matter the industry, significant changes in government rules and regulations have an negative impact — that impact is magnified in this industry with so many independent agents who lack the comfort of a corporate legal team.

    2) USANA has one of the industry’s best reputations for ethics and truthfulness — if Minkow convinces Wall Street that USANA has systematically withheld the truth, I believe that Wall Street is likely to lose confidence in the broader industry which could lead to the loss of billions of dollars of institutional capital currently invested in network marketing companies. This capital has also been available to private companies and has funded the acquisitions of several companies (Herbalife, Body Wise, Arbonne International,etc.).

    3) There is no reason to believe Minkow will stop at USANA — it seems apparent that he has partnered with individuals who have an issue with the whole industry. Any network marketing company could be the next to receive virtually the same set of complaints and attacks as Minkow has leveled against USANA.

    4) FDI’s claims create uncertainty for potential distributors. While some will interpret this as a USANA specific issues, others will view the claims as an indictment on the whole industry and all direct sellers will be forced to begin anew to recreate the credibility earned over more than 10 years of notable ethics improvements.

    WHAT SHOULD YOU DO IF YOU ARE A DIRECT SELLER?

    Direct Selling is characterized by companies and individuals who have always been willing to share information, but have rarely actively defended a company called into question. While USANA must stand alone in answering questions about the company’s representations — all of us can actively engage in educating our distributors, regulators, and the general public about the misrepresentations Minkow is using to describe the network marketing distribution channel.

    AND we can all do our part to continue to improve. We know there are misrepresentations (often innocently made under the stress of being in front of a public crowd) and we need to continue to make sure we insist on complete honesty.

    We need to continue to push for more retail sales, and greater number of consumer sales. Our products should deliver true value to the end consumer and we should have customers in our portfolio who purchase the products because they want them — not because they want to earn a commission. All of us should be actively engaged in monitoring the market, and in making sure our products are priced according to competitive benchmarks.

    I will take time over the next few days to do my part to bring some clarity to the issues highlighted in this dispute and I invite you to give me your comments as well.” (End of article!)

    To repeat what I mentioned in a previous post of mine, Mr. Minkow is NOT “redeeming” himself in my view. How could he (or anyone) call it redemption to try to destroy an extraordinary opportunity to live life more fully in health and financial freedom for hundreds of thousands, if not multiple millions of people worldwide? That is NOT redemption. That is criminal and it sure isn’t what Jesus Christ was all about. He said that He came to give “Abundant Life”, which is precisely what USANA is about.

    Mr. Minkow and his minions, in my view, are doing the exact opposite. And to make matters supremely worse, they are doing it in the “name” of God, but not the “Spirit”. Again, even the Devil can quote scripture!

    Justin

  • Justin Tyme

    Here’s a copy of another blog article!
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    USANA POWERED BY NATURAL ‘MOMENTUM’
    In an industry that talks a lot about momentum, USANA has found a way to capitalize on the natural momentum of the jet stream.

    Congratulations to Dr. Wentz, David Wentz and the USANA management team for taking action to do their part to reduce dependency on fossil fuels.

    According to an article in the Salt Lake Tribune,
    USANA Health Sciences Inc., a West Valley City manufacturer and direct seller of nutritional supplement and personal-care products, has made a large renewable energy purchase from Rocky Mountain Power.

    The company is buying 75,000 kilowatt-hours of Blue Sky wind energy per month, which is enough to offset 900 tons of carbon dioxide emissions each year.
    *****************

  • Justin Tyme

    Here’s a copy of an article from another blog!

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    Does USANA have products with consumer value?

    If an alien visited Mill Creek Junior High to watch its (the alien’s) first and only basketball game, the alien might conclude “ALL BASKETBALL PLAYERS ON EARTH ARE SHORT AND WHITE.” That headline would get a chuckle out of those of us on earth who have experienced March Madness.

    Well, Mr. Minkow (who is somewhat of an alien to direct selling) visited USANA and somehow got fixated on one or two products and has conveniently forgotten the dozens of other products in USANA’s line. His headlines reflect the small sample size of his study, and his conclusions have left those of us on earth chuckling a bit. Fortunately, I actually spent a year of my life studying this is exact issue and here are the facts:

    1) The USANA HealthPak 100 — delivers convenience — not necessarily the lowest price. Believe it or not, it is expensive to package the vitamins in daily dosages and USANA charges a premium for the convenience of the pack. USANA’s HealthPak 100 was never designed to be a retail product (in other words it was not designed to be resold), but rather to be purchased direct from the company. Fortunately, USANA has a Preferred Customer program which allows those who would otherwise be ‘retail’ customers to place their order from the company, be serviced by the company, and still allow their friend or family member to earn commissions on their purchases. Welcome to network marketing in the 21st Century.

    2) USANA actually spent tens of thousands of dollars to conduct a pricing study. They acted on the information they collected (from current, previous and non-customers) and dropped their prices considerably in the spring of 2000. It was called the “Price Value Initiative” and it was a painful era for the company (by the way — it was a calculated pain pill the company took and I believe it has paid off in the long run). For those who want to build a retail business and mark up the products, you would choose to use one of a dozen products packaged in bottles and made available at much lower prices than the HealthPak 100 and with plenty of room for a retail mark-up.

    3) Pricing is a positioning tool, not just a measure of value. The world is full of brands for which consumers are willing to pay a premium. USANA has made an effort to get out of the commodity pricing of nutritional supplements by increasing quality and packaging services around the supplements. So even if its costs were lower than its competitors, it would use its price to establish in the minds of consumers the quality of its brand (and the brand includes the bundle of services that accompany what some might call the commodity in the package — this bundle includes educated sales associates, personal selling, 800 call center, customer service and support, conferences and workshops, quality control, etc., etc…). USANA is not looking for the customer who wants to buy their vitamins at Wal-Mart for the best possible price — they appeal to the discriminating consumer who is willing to pay for panache — and there are hundreds of successful, profitable, companies who have built a business in other channels, with different commodities.

    The GOOD NEWS: USANA has tons of research and significant consumer feedback to prove to any analyst, any judge, any regulator, or any customer that they care about delivering value and made difficult business decisions to respond to customer pricing concerns.

    The BAD NEWS: I know of many direct selling companies who have not been so sensitive. This is an opportunity for improvement for the industry, and I invite all companies to engage in a rigorous analysis of their pricing to make sure that there is a legitimate consumer value proposition.

    Direct sellers must constantly balance the value they are able to deliver to the end consumer with the business costs entrepreneurs must incur each month to qualify as a legitimate ‘distributor’ of the company’s products.

    [End of article!]
    *********************************

  • Justin Tyme

    USANA CELEBRATES ANOTHER RECORD YEAR

    *Unparalleled financial results
    *Paid out more than $800 million in commissions to-date
    *Increased Million Dollar Club to 73 Associates
    *Surpassed $374 million in sales
    *Achieved record-setting growth for the 18th consecutive quarter (4 1/2 years)

    Recognition from respected national experts

    *Ranked #12 on Forbes’ “200 Best Small Companies” list, and the only direct sales company to make the top 20 for the last three years in a row (Nov. 1, 2006)
    *Voted “People’s Choice” for nine years running by NetWork Marketing Today & The MLM Insider Magazine
    *President Dave Wentz named Chairman of Direct Selling Education Foundation & Vice Chairman of Direct Selling Association
    *Listed in The Wall Street Journal’s “Smart Money Stock Screen/Efficiency Experts” (April 20, 2006)
    *Named one of Utah’s “Best Companies to Work For” by Utah Business magazine (Nov. 2006)

    Products unequalled in quality

    *USANA Essentials™ received highest ranking for a nutritional supplement in North America by Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements
    *Awarded Utah’s Best of State 2006 medal for dietary supplements for a record third year
    *Received NSF International certification for successfully meeting all listing criteria for Dietary Supplement Standards
    *Manufacturing facility received dietary supplement Good Manufacturing Practices registration by NSF International
    *Selected as official nutritional supplement supplier for Sony Ericsson WTA Tour (Women’s Professional Tennis)

    Making a difference worldwide

    *Donated more than $3 million to Children’s Hunger Fund since 2001
    *Treated more than 7,000 people at Dr. Myron Wentz’ privately funded medical center in Uganda and broke ground on second facility in Cambodia
    *Established an environmental policy to help USANA conserve energy, reduce waste, and lessen impact on the environment
    *Received the Environmental Protection Agency’s Green Power Partnership Certificate
    ***********************
    Imagine how better our world would be if Governments and other businesses and corporations worked this well and ethically! And the above is just a partial listing of USANA’s accomplishments and recognition. Shame of Mr. Minkow and his minions for wanting to destroy USANA.

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    Justin Tyme: This is a comments space. Either make your own remarks or provide a link to those of other people but STOP pasting in this “borrowed” content. Any more will be deleted.

    Thank you.

    Christopher Rose
    Blogcritics Comments Editor

  • TC

    What is this a commercial for USANA. Doesn’t anybody know how to think for themselves.

  • http://usana.com Steve

    Regarding The Above Post. No, these comments aren’t commercials for USANA. They’re thought out statements backed by fact and third party verification. Could it be that USANA is a company manufacturing and distributing top quality nutritionals while providing a world-wide distributor team with a real chance at creating financial success? Think about it. (Sorry for the commercial)

  • Justim Tyme

    Hi TC,

    What was posted by me was NOT a “commercial” for USANA, as Steve so accurately stated. They were “completely and easily verifiable facts” and presented exactly that way so they would NOT be construed to be “mere opinion” and “made up stuff”.

    As for “thinking for oneself”, personally speaking, that is what all of my posts have been. I think for myself and part of that is to pass on or share “facts as opposed to merely serving up opinions based on “knee jerk” reactive, emotionally laden, prejudicial, biased, vested interest kinds of thinking that plague most lists and blogs, indeed even so-called reporting in magazines, journals, newspapers, on TV, etc.

    Oh, by the way, I am NOT a Usana Distributor. Nor do I own any Usana stock. I simply recognize a “wrong” posting as doing something “right” in the “name of the most holy” disguised in the “pretend cloak of redemption” and have chosen to toss in my 99 cents worth! (Obviously this is my *opinion*.)

    Justin

  • http://www.marketwaveinc.com/FDI-Rebuttal.pdf Justin Tyme

    Here’s a rather lengthy fascinating, enlightening, revealing article well-worth reading for those you want to seriously understand and gain insight into what’s happening!

    Justin

    [Justin, please don’t post raw urls and it’s not necessary to post them twice. Thank you. Comments Editor]

  • http://www.marketwaveinc.com/Response-MinkowRebuttal.pdf Justin Tyme

    Hi,

    To all of you who have open listening ears and hearts, click on and closely read the document the above URL points to.

    Cheers!
    Justin

  • Steve

    Len Clements of Marketwave.com has written a 28 page rebuttal to Barry Minkow’s Usana attack report. Minkow’s response to it is nothing short of pathetic. Mr. Clements is not only a court certified expert witness concerning MLM cases, but is also an MLM industry advocate who has himself gone after MLM companies who acted in less than honorable fashion. The man is objective to say the least. For some nice insights, read Mr. Clement’s report and then pick up Minkow’s response to it on his FDI sight. Pathetic. Isn’t it strange that the blogs are not picking up on the Clement’s rebuttal or updating their coverage of the Usana situation as more and more supporting evidence of Usana’s legitimacy is being published. I invite the owner of this site to review the Clement’s report, and if he deems it an authentic piece of objective analysis them PUBLISH IT!

  • steve

    CORRECTION: Len Clements’ rebuttals are at marketwaveinc.com I mistakenly listed it as marketwave which is an unrelated site. Go to marketwaveinc.com for honesty and clarity regarding Mr. Minkows misguided accusations against Usana

    My apology for the typo

  • http://www.bizop.ca Michael Webster

    Steve;

    I wrote an analysis of Clements v Minkow.

    But, frankly I think that Mr. Clements has not provided sufficient information about the attrition rate at USANA. He seems to accept at face value much of what USANA suggests, including the infamous “we took a survey” but did not tell our shareholders that most of our distributors aren’t in it for the money.

  • TC

    Dear Justin,

    There is nothing substantive to what you are saying. What explains your fasination with USANA? Are you part of any MLM group now or in the past? Do you profit from any MLM activites or support activities? Do you have friends or relatives in the business? If you have no inside experience with USANA or any invovlement, how do you know what the truth is? Do you understand the legalities of the situation? If so, what are they? Frankly Justin, everything you are acussing Barry Minkow of, you are doing as well. Until the SEC reports it’s finding, I would with hold your cheerleading judgement. This is a lot of hoopla for vitimins that should be sold over the internet.

    Best Regards,

    TC

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi “TC”,

    See my comments inserted inside your email below preceded by **** so you can easily spot them.

    Justin

    Dear Justin,

    ****You don’t know me well enough to refer to me as “Dear”, nor do I believe I am “dear” to you in any way!

    There is nothing substantive to what you are saying.

    ****And what, pray tell, do you mean by “substantive”? That comment was uttered to simply dismiss everything published by Forbes, Motley Fool, AG Edwards, dozens of scientific organizations, scientists, main stream scientific journals, Olymic athletes, dozens of huge organizations such as ATT&T, Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola, Microsoft, etc who are all engaged in MLM.****

    What explains your fasination with USANA?
    ****It is YOU who say I’m “fascinated”. And I’m telling you that I am NOT fascinated!

    Are you part of any MLM group now or in the past?
    ****Nope! Not at all!

    Do you profit from any MLM activites or support activities?
    ****I support a rigorous, honest, and ethical investigation of what the facts are devoid of “personal agendas” such as those put forth by Mr. Minkow.

    Do you have friends or relatives in the business?

    ****Yeah! Who the hell doesn’t?

    If you have no inside experience with USANA or any invovlement, how do you know what the truth is?

    ****I never said I know what the “truth” is, so wake up! I’m simply encouraging facing “facts” without ulterior motives!

    Do you understand the legalities of the situation?

    ****Not in their entirety, nor do you! Besides, it’s not necessary to understand them fully to see that Mr. Minkow is harming (and has harmed) tens if not hundreds of thousands of people, both those involved with USANA and those not. And by extension, million of people worldwide. If you cannot see how, then I’ll explain it to you!

    Frankly Justin, everything you are acussing Barry Minkow of, you are doing as well.

    ****Give me some graphic examples as opposed as still spewing out an accusation!

    Until the SEC reports it’s finding, I would with hold your cheerleading judgement.

    ****There you go, name-calling again! You ought to know better but since you don’t, shame on you anyway! Besides, I’m not “cheerleading”. I’m simply sharing documented facts! Just because it shows USANA in a “good light” doesn’t mean I or anyone else is cheerleading!

    This is a lot of hoopla for vitimins that should be sold over the internet.

    ****Where the hell have you been. USANA’s vitamins are sold over the internet. How could you have missed that? By the way, did you know that they are significantly less expensive that four of the other nutritional supplements that were also rated “Best of the Best” out of nearly 2,000 products in all of North America evaluated by an INDEPENDENT (Let me repeat that again!) INDEPENDENT Researcher and Highly Respected Biochemist.

    Best Regards,
    TC

    ****No why do I think that you don’t wish me the best? —- Justin

  • http://www.bestofstate.org Justin Tylme

    “USANA Health Sciences Wins Two Utah Best of State Awards”. April 30th, 2007

    USANA will be recognized on May 19th, 2007 with two (2) Utah Best of State Awards. USANA will receive an award for the best dietary supplements in the state of Utah along with an award for best personal-care products.

    Recognition for having the best dietary supplements in Utah is especially meaningful because of the numerous supplement manufacturers located in the state. According to the Utah Natural Products Alliance, Utah has more than 100 dietary supplement companies generating estimated revenues of $4.4 billion.

    This is the fourth time USANA will accept a Best of State award for dietary supplements. The company also received Best of State awards for dietary supplement in 2003, 2004 and 2006. In addition, this year USANA will receive its first Best of State award for personal-care products. USANA’s revolutionary Sensé™ skin-care line is valued by customers for its nourishing ingredients and exclusive technologies including patent-pending self-preserving formulas.

    “For 15 years now, we’ve been advancing the standards within our industry,” said Dr. Tim Wood, USANA’s executive vice president of research and development. “Our mission has always been to provide our customers the highest quality science-based nutritional and skin-care products possible, and it is gratifying to be independently recognized for excellence.”

    According to the Utah Best of State Awards Web site, the awards program was created to recognize outstanding individuals, organizations, and businesses in Utah. More information on the Utah Best of State awards can be found by clicking on the URL above.

  • Justin Tylme

    “2006-2007 Best Companies in MLM”
    – by MLM Insider. April 28, 2007.

    Once again, USANA has been chosen as the #1 Network Marketing Company among the “Distributor Choice Award Winners”, and Denis Waitley was chosen as the 1st Place Winner in the “Distributor Choice – Best Trainers” category.

    To quote MLM Insider Editor Corey Augenstein…“USANA Health Sciences continues to grow and affect network marketing in a positive way by setting a stellar example of how a company can and should be run in network marketing. As I have said many times before, everything about this company comes off first class and the company [USANA] seems to be a shoe-in every year for the editor’s list and the reasons are simple.

    USANA is a company that represents: quality not quantity; ethics not schemes; and excellence not mediocrity.

    For the 9th year in a row it has won the “The Distributor Choice Award Best Company” for 2006-2007, and for the lucky 13th year in a row appears as an MLM Insider Editor’s Choice for Best Companies in Network Marketing.”

  • steve

    JUSTIN You obviously know a lot about Usana’s achievements. And legitimate achievements they are. I’m sure there are many who appreciate your rapid postings of the facts. I feel certain that in the end, when all the cards are face up on the courtroom table Usana will be able to hold it’s head up high. One suggestion though. Don’t waste your energy engaging in lengthy email battles with people who know nothing about Usana and who obviously have the mentality of drooling accident scene watchers. The more you refute their out-of-touch ravings the more they’ll feel compelled to respond, and you’ll respond and around and around it goes. I guarantee you that tomorrow someone will post some mud-toss informing us all know that Usana won the two Best of State Utah recognitions because the fix was in! Cheer up! Usana’s future is brighter than ever

  • TC

    Hey Justin,

    Thanks for your response. It answers my question. Your nuts that’s all.

    TC

  • Justin Tyme

    To Steve, post #31. In essence I agree with your post about going tit for tat with ignorami on this list. On the other hand, putting accurate info “out there”, one way of which is to post it on this list, seems OK and preferable to me than remaining silent.

    To “TC”, post #32. Your resort to name-calling doesn’t really speak highly of you.

    However, I’m glad you got your questions answered but at the same time there’s something “fishy” about your post.

    Yeah! I’m absolutely “nuts”, and I keep great company with other “nuts”! You just gotta be clear and cautious about what caliber of nuts you hang out with!

    Remember not to put new wine in old wineskins if you know what I mean! By the way, who are you keeping company with? In other words, what kind of nuts?

    Justin

  • Justin Tyme

    USANA Health Sciences Receives U.S. Patent on Exclusive Self-Preserving Technology for Skin Care and Beauty Products “Technology Offers Long-Sought Alternative to Artificial, Paraben Preservatives.” – May 8th, 2007 –

    USANA Health Sciences, Inc. [Nasdaq: USNA] received notice of an official patent, to be released at 10:00 am EST from the United States Patent & Trademark Office, for its exclusive self-preserving technology currently used in the company’s Sensé –beautiful science® skin and personal care product line.

    This patent covers Sensé formulation for manufacturing the Sensé skin and personal care product line so that they are capable of maintaining an industry-standard, two-year shelf life without the need for added chemical preservatives. Sensé now-patented “self-preserving” technology utilizes a variety of proprietary blends of purifying botanicals, antioxidants, and other active ingredients in protective liquid crystals to keep the product fresh naturally.

    The Sensé line maintains its shelf life without the use of parabens, formaldehyde releasing ingredients, or other chemical preservatives commonly used in almost all other cosmetics and skin care products. Sensé has utilized this self-preserving technology since September 2004 on a patent-pending basis, and it is the only skin care and beauty care product line in the world to implement this scientific advancement.

    Sensé scientists believe this patented process represents a significant innovation in the skin-care industry, as self-preserving technology will allow users’ skin to receive all the benefits of pure, natural, and healthy ingredients without the use of chemicals or potentially harmful preservatives.

    “This patent is the result of nearly 10 years of research and development by USANA scientists, and it is an important milestone in our company’s drive to become a leader in the skin and beauty care industry”, said USANA President Dave Wentz. “USANA’s self-preserving technology has changed skin and beauty care in a meaningful way by allowing for the formulation of healthy, all-natural products.

    Our customers rely on USANA’s high-quality products to enhance their quality of life. Just like our pharmaceutical-grade supplements, USANA’s Sensé skin and beauty care line offers the best – and healthiest – products available. Consumers can now enjoy healthier skin and the peace of mind that comes with safe, self-preserving technology that does not rely on artificial, chemical preservatives.”

  • steve

    TO JUSTIN: Please don’t misunderstand what I was suggesting. Posting accurate Usana information is always a positive thing. Usana products are valuable in maintaining optimal health. Personally I’m a Healthpak 100 customer. What I was suggesting was simply not to engage in email exchanges with people with people who are clueless and are out just to pick a fight. PS…I was glad to see you were on top of the latest patent. But be assured someone somewhere is going to fling a mud-toss at it.

  • Yarnod

    Everyone should be suspicious. Also, people should check the facts before they publish stuff. OK, Barry Minkow is a public figure, so he’s fair game. But accuracy is still paramount.

    I challenge anyone to investigate Barry Minkow and see if it’s really true that:

    Barry Minkow receives any money from anyone for his investigations.

    That there is no licensed private investigator or lawyer associated with the Fraud Discovery Institute.

    That Barry Minkow has control over any of the financial aspects of his church.

    That Barry Minkow “found” religion in prison and not long before he was indicted.

    That Barry Minkow has any outstanding restitution obligations.

    If you need help investigating him, you should check with the Assistant United States Attorney that prosecuted him and the U.S. District Court judge who convicted him.

    The one truth to the commentary about Barry Minkow is that he’s a shameless self-promoter. Of all of the traits Barry Minkow could have retained from his ZZZZ Best Carpet Cleaning days, I think this one is the least damaging.

    But I agree that it’s wise to be skeptical. Skepticism should be followed by investigation before publication.

  • steve

    Barry Minkow has stated that he launched his anti Usana report on behalf of a paying client. That client’s identity will shortly be exposed in the “discovery process” of the trial. Re-read the report and the WSJ coverage. As far as the restitution matter is concerned it’s all out there on the web. This post, in response to the one above is not meant to begin a back and forth debate concerning Barry Minow, just to add a little clarity.

  • http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/marketsite_about.stm Justin Tyme

    USANA’s President Dave Wentz will be ringing the ceremonial NASDAQ Stock Market closing bell on Wednesday, May 9th starting at 3:45 PM Eastern Standard Time.
    Dave, along with other members of the USANA family, will mark the close of the NASDAQ day of trading at the NASDAQ MarketSite in New York City.

    This significant event marks USANA’s 11th year of being listed with the NASDAQ as well as our incredible growth as a company during that time. USANA recently announced its 19th consecutive quarter of record sales.

    The NASDAQ Market Closing ceremony can be viewed live on May 9, beginning at 3:45 p.m. (EDT) by clicking on the URL link provided above. Scroll to the bottom of the page to access the MarketSite Live Webcam link. A range of television networks that cover NASDAQ’s closing bell ceremony will also broadcast the event. Please check your local listings for more information.

  • steve

    Dave Wentz and company at today’s Nasdaq closing bell…Well done Usana Health Sciences!!!

  • http://www.saltlakecity.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bid=2000510 Justin Tyme

    In response to Mr. Minkow’s latest “Grade Zzzzzz Worst” video about USANA, I offer the following.

    First of all, the fellow he showed snippets of came across as having been “fed” statements to say by Mr. Minkow. Why do I think so?

    Because they were precisely the same phrases uttered in a previous video Mr. Minkow made. They stood out like a sore thumb because the fellow was 1) clearly unknowledgeable about the USANA business, 2) didn’t know about, let alone take advantage of, USANA’s product return policy, 3) didn’t know about or take advantage of the home-based business tax benefits which would have outweighed (and legally so) the amount he spent on becoming a USANA Associate, 4) he blamed others for his “failure” rather than taking responsibility for reading the “Policies and Procedures”, among many other things he neglected to do. In fact, it seemed that he never asked a single question about the business, what he had to do to be successful, how long it might take him, and so on!

    Mr. Minkow also touted a young fellow (who’s probably never had a network marketing business) come across as though he is a world expert, which he obviously wasn’t!

    The fellow, much to his credit, did NOT mention USANA (most likely because he didn’t know anything about the company and products); or he didn’t want to come across as appearing ignorant (or worse); or wanted to avoid being held liable for slander, libel, etc!

    At any rate, Mr. Minkow said that USANA was not a member of the Better Business Bureau…as if the BBB is some kind of “legal” agency…which it is NOT; or some source of “proof” as to the legitimacy of a business.

    [Note: As far as I could tell, I’ve not been able to find where the “Fraud Discovery Institute” is a member of the “Better Business Bureau.” Maybe I wasn’t using the correct “keywords” when doing my search.]

    Mr. Minkow’s vehement insinuation is that by not being a member meant that “something was wrong or illegal” about USANA, which, as you will see upon reading further, the report the BBB has on USANA on their website states just the opposite!

    I could go on and on but you get the point!

    Oh, by the way, Mr. Minkow has never “fully disclosed” who his partners are in his extremely biased and fault ridden attack on USANA, even though he uses the words “In the spirit of full disclosure” more than a few times. What this is is simply “cheap talk” and “no action”!

    Nor will he ever fully disclose until forced to by legal authorities is my best guess.

    Meanwhile, how much money has he really made by placing “puts” on the USANA stock? Also, who else might he be in partnership with who have also placed “puts” on the stock? How much money have they all made? Not to mention the untold damage that has already occurred, and will reverberate out for who knows how long, in terms harming the health and financial well-being of untold hundreds of thousands of people…and most several millions who shy away from taking the USANA products and/or choosing to do it as a business? In my view, his actions are unforgiveable and the motives behind them are dispicable!

    Furthermore, notice how Mr. Minkow dodges addressing any of the nearly 100(and increasing) questions posed to him by credible experts on network marketing.

    Nor does (or will) he mention the press releases and other highly respected sources that “discredit” Mr. Minkow’s allegations against USANA, finding them to be “unwarranted”; “twisted”, and “taken out of context”! Now I wonder why that is?

    Below is a snippet from the “Better Business Bureau’s” report on USANA that Mr. Minkow tried his darndest to say put USANA in a bad light…when it actually does the exact oppostite! [See URL to BBB under my name!]

    *********

    The Better Business Bureau’s statement on “Customer Experience” relative to USANA Health Sciences, Inc.

    Based on BBB files, this company [i.e., USANA Health Sciences, Inc.] has a satisfactory record.

    BBB Definition: Satisfactory Record – A business identified in our report as satisfactory has, based on Bureau files, been in business for at least one year, and has voluntarily provided the Bureau with all information requested about the business and its product or service.

    If any complaints have been received about the business, their number has not been considered by the BBB to be extreme, given the nature of the company’s business and the volume of business transacted.

    Complaints are also generally typical of what might be expected for this type of business. A business stated to be satisfactory has not been the subject of any recent law enforcement actions concerning its dealings with the public.

    If the business has been contacted by the BBB about its advertising or selling claims, it has modified or substantiated its practices to the Bureau’s satisfaction. In addition, the BBB has a clear understanding of the company’s business, and the business is not in an industry which has raised significant marketplace concerns.

    The company does not have an unusual volume of complaints, or any government actions involving its marketplace conduct. The Bureau understands and has no concerns about the company’s products, services and type of business.

    When considering complaint information, please take into account the company’s size and volume of transactions, and understand that the nature of complaints and a firm’s responses to them are often more important than the number of complaints. [Note: USANA Health Sciences, Inc is in 15 countries worldwide with tens of thousands of “active” distributors and nearly 100,000 Preferred Customers who simply purchase the product for personal use. This does not take into account the tens of thousands of “inactive” distributors.]

    The Bureau processed a total of 7 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period. Of the total of 7 complaints closed in 36 months, 0 were closed in the past year.
    ************************************

  • http://www.saltlakecity.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bid=2000510 Justin Tyme

    Read the URL above. Far from “proving” that USANA is an illegal or disreputable company as Mr. Barry Minkow insinuates, the “Better Business Bureau” report says just the opposite.

    Also, the “BBB” is NOT a “legal” or “governmental” agency. It is simply an organization that collects data and provides information about companies and business.

    Justin

  • http://bizop.ca Michael Webster

    Why don’t you take issue with what the FDI claimed were red flags regarding MLMs?

  • steve

    MICHAEL…Your one line reply to Justin’s latest and well detailed post is myopic at best. Justin points out that Minkow’s latest “Usana Victim” had limited, if any understanding of how to manage a Usana business and I believe that anyone with business building skills and sound start up strategies would find that obvious.

    Secondly, the representative of the BBB never mentioned Usana by name. In my view this fellow was used by Minkow. To juxtapose his statements, to inter-cut them against the rambling failure statements of this crashed distributor is an attempt to use video editing in a deceptive and transparent way. A true cheap shot. One wonders if the BBB rep had any idea of how his generalized statements were going to be used. But lets not forget that the video was produced by a true Master of Fraud and Deception.

    Lastly, you questioned Justin why he didn’t comment on the MLM red flags in the Minkow report. Well, Michael, give us a break, that wasn’t the point of his post. That’s not what he was responding to! But yes, there are legitimate red flags concerning MLM and many other types of opportunities. And it’s the responsibility of the one ready to make an investment to discern them.

    PS. Enron was not an MLM.

  • http://www.marketwaveinc.com/articles/Taylor-Rebuttal-1.pdf Justin Tyme

    May 27th, 2007

    For any of you following Barry Minkow’s attack on Usana (which is actually an attack on MLM backed by the Pyramid Scheme Alert organization), check out Dr. Jon Taylor’s response to Len Clement’s rebuttal, and Len’s rebuttal to Dr. Taylor’s response by clicking on the URL link just underneath my name above!

    Justin

  • steve

    JUSTIN… I read Len Clement’s response to Taylor yesterday. Usana is fortunate to have Len responding to the Minkow, Fitzpatrick, Taylor and Conenan smear-Usana campaign. However, The Destroy Usana Crew will not relent or give up an inch unless a court orders them to. If you have any information regarding the SEC investigation or the progress of the case in the Salt Lake City Federal Court please post it.

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Steve,

    I have no information about the SEC investigation other than to have heard a “rumor” from someone in USANA that the SEC will soon (whatever that means) announce that everything is above board. Obviously, it’s a “wait and see” kinda thing!

    Justin

  • jim

    justin, are you saying that usana is leaking communications between the SEC and itself, to you?

  • http://bizop.ca Michael Webster

    I don’t know about the SEC’s policy of disclosure, but anyone with a pacer account can determine what is happening the USANA libel suit.

    Nothing.

    There hasn’t been a docket entry since March 21st, 2007.

  • steve

    JIM. Where does Justin say Usana is leaking information to him. He states he heard a rumor. A rumor, Jim. Does someone need to define the word rumor for you. You see Jim, the problems is that someone can write something that’s clear and simple, and then another person, in this case you, Jim, read something into it that’s just not here. Jim, it’s about reading comprehension, which is an acquired skill. You catch my drift, Jim??

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Jim,

    In regards to your question below, the answer is “NO! Absolutely NO ONE is leaking info to me from the SEC. Holy Crap! How’d you come up with that?” All I said is that I heard a rumor as Steve pointed out. The rumor was from a friend of mine in USANA who is NOT a Usana employee let alone on staff at the corporate level!

    I hope this clears up this nonsense!

    Justin

    “Jim wrote: justin, are you saying that usana is leaking communications between the SEC and itself, to you?”

  • Trock

    If anyone can actually believe anything Minkow says knowing his background and cunning, you have surely been duped by one of the best conmen in recent history. As far as MLM, you get what you put into it. If you think your going to make 6 figures your first week or hope for some heavy hitter to do the work for you, your an idiot. Its a business and has to be treated like one.

  • http:blogritices.org Waddlo

    Minkow purchased put options on USANA stock and then released a report that would cause the stock prices to plummet (which it did) thus causing him to make a whole lot of money. Isn’t this kind of like insider trading? Isn’t that against the law?

  • steve

    Waddlo: I don’t know if it qualifies as insider trading, but it does shine a spotlight on what Minkow is all about; deception and criminality. This guy’s a bad player, and I believe he’d play anything or anyone to serve his own twisted agenda. Take a look at his website, then google in on his role as a church Pastor in California. This guy is so internally conflicted he’s got more loose pieces than a jigsaw puzzle.

  • Justim Tyme

    As I think (and sure hope) everyone knows, it is so easy, so very easy, to destroy something, anything, that one simply wants to. What makes it even worse is that thought can and will “justify” doing this by using any reason or whim at its disposal. Furthermore, people will justify doing it in the “Name of the Lord or God”, etc.

    I can easily understand why some things need to be destroyed, such as old and dangerous buildings, roads, etc. But it bugs the hell out of me when people attempt to destroy something that has helped hundreds of thousands of folks all around the world improve the quality of their lives, health, and financial well-being such that USANA and its founder Dr. Myron Wentz has done and is doing.

    He has built one of the world’s most advanced and only 5-Star fully accredited Integral Medical Hospital where my life has received treatment for Lupus and has learned how to successfully manage it for the past 2 years without the use of any prescription medications whatsoever. Hundreds of others have gone to this facility and also learned how to restore their health.

    Dr. Wentz also built (and freely donated) a multimillion dollar Medical & Research Center in Gaba, Uganada over a year ago and is currently building a second facility in Cambodia. Again, free of charge. These are the first two of many to be located around the world to serve as role models for how to prevent disease and restore health.

    He’s also donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to other organizations, one of which is the Children’s Hunger Fund which provides food, clothing, shelter, and other services to children worldwide. This fund was rated the #1 non-profit charitable organization by Forbes since over 99 cents of every dollar goes toward providing the services I previously mentioned,

    In passing, he has never taken a salary from being the CEO of USANA nor from running the integral medical hospital.

    USANA, the integral medical center, hospitals, and other projects Dr. Wentz has set in motion (and will be developing in the future) should NOT be subjected to such dispicable shennanigans, lies, and innuendos that Mr. Barry Minkow and his minions have been indulging in. They represent, in my view, one of the lowest and nastiest traits in human nature, and that is what needs to be destroyed, if anything at all.

    Again, it is so extremely easy to destory. But it takes an enormously big, generous heart and mind of vision to create the things that have (and will continue to) beneficially impact the lives of millions of people worldwide far into the future…rippling out to touch everyone on this extraordinarly unique and pricessless planet we live on.

    Yours in true & lasting health and well-being!
    Justin

  • Justin Tylme

    During the past couple or months I’ve noticed hundreds of untruths, what appear to be deliberate lies, twisted figures, and so on ad nauseum about USANA. One which a few integrity challenged individuals seem to keep harping on “as if” what they’re saying is true concerns the education and credientials of Dr. Tim Wood, Ph.D., Executive Vice-President of Product Research & Development at USANA Health Sciences.

    So, as an attempt to clear up and confusion about it, I offer the following copy of a statement made under oath by Dr. Wood.

    Dr. Wood says, “During the past several weeks, some questions were raised about my academic credentials, and I want to take a minute to set the record straight.

    First, let me assure all of you that I and the rest of the management team are completely comfortable with the way that my education has been described in the past.

    That said, I believe that the questions raised about my Doctoral Degree warrant some clarification so that you can be confident in answering any questions your team members may have.

    I earned my Ph.D. in 1980 from Yale University. I was enrolled in the Yale Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, where I conducted my doctoral research under the guidance of a professor who was on the faculty of the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies.

    My doctoral dissertation—entitled “Biological and Chemical Control of Phosphorus Cycling in a Northern Hardwood Forest”—involved a field of study termed biogeochemistry (a real mouthful). That field is commonly considered a branch of biology. Furthermore, my research and class work while earning my Ph.D. were focused in biology. For these reasons, my academic credentials as described in the USANA proxy materials and elsewhere reflect this specialization.

    It is also important for all of you to understand that I was hired at USANA in large part to coordinate the company’s technical departments—Research and Development, Quality Assurance, and Regulatory Affairs. My qualifications relative to this role include not only my education, but also my professional experience. Prior to joining USANA, I spent 15 years with a biotechnology company in Salt Lake City, first as a Senior Scientist, then as a Research Manager, and finally as the company’s Vice President for Research and Development. Moreover, during those years, I earned an MBA to augment my management skills. In short, I was hired at USANA because I had the background needed to get the job done.

    I am proud of my academic and professional credentials. I am proud of the fact that I have been able to put them to work in helping to grow our great company. Most of all, I am proud to work with all of you. Let’s keep this company growing. The entire world needs to hear our message of True Health.

    Thanks so much for your support.

    Sincerely,
    Tim Wood, Ph.D.
    Executive Vice President of Research and Development”

  • Justin Tyme

    USANA Health Sciences’ Founder Dr. Myron Wentz, Ph.D. Receives Albert Einstein Award

    USANA Founder Dr. Myron Wentz was honored Monday, June 25th, 2007 at a special ceremony in Jerusalem with the Albert Einstein Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Life Sciences.

    The Albert Einstein Award, given by Global Capital Associates, salutes leaders whose vision and commitment have contributed to the critical advancement of vital life-saving and life-enhancing technology to benefit mankind. Dr. Wentz received the award in recognition of his contributions to nutritional science, as well as his many humanitarian endeavors.

    “I am honored and humbled to receive an award that bears the name of Albert Einstein,” Dr. Wentz said. “As both an extraordinary scientist and dedicated humanitarian, he serves as a great inspiration for my life’s work, helping people lead healthier lives through nutritional science.”

  • Justin Tyme

    Have you ever noticed that when Mr. Minkow does his “interviews” with those “poor poor victims”, he never asks them such absolutely pertinent questions such as…

    1) Did you thoroughly read “USANA’s Policies & Procedures” and abide by them?
    2) Did you return your products in “usable” condition within 30 so you could get a 100% refund? Or within the year to get up to 90% refund?
    3) Did you keep accurate detailed records about your business expenditures, meals doing business, driving to business meetings, attending business meetings, transportation to the Convention, business equipment related expenditures, phone calls when making business calls, etc, etc, etc, and turn that information over to a CPA or other certified professional financial expert so you could legally save thousands of dollars in tax deductions?
    4) Did you take advantage of working with a team of seasoned professionals, several of which are available in every state of the union and 14 other countries worldwide?
    5) Did you access the dozens of weekly USANA conference calls, internet groups, and internet webcast presentations?

    And the list goes on!

    If he would have asked these questions, it would have put this whole matter in a totally different light!

    Justin

  • Steve

    If Minkow would have asked those questions he would have been working in opposition to his own goals which is to destroy the credibility of the company.

  • T

    How could it possibly be in Minkow’s best interest to create fraud? It’s safe to say that if they are found innocent of the allegations being made against them Minkow’s going to be totally obliterated by their defamtion lawsuit and he’ll probably go to jail for stock manipulation (or something similar). It would be in Minkow’s best interest to not move forward with any allegations unless he’s certain he’s found an instance of wrong doing. That being said, this does not mean he’s necessarily correct. Also, your comment about “eliminating the competition” regarding christian churches is completely off base if you’re refering to Nu-Way Christian Ministries which he discovered to be running a scheme. While he was in jail previously and has bilked people out of millions of dollars, it should also be remembered that since he’s been out of jail he has helped to expose a number of businesses running scams.

    Your comment “I don’t know Minkow, but his FDI website looks conspicuously like the FBI in terms of acronyms” is really just filler. How can the FDI website look “conspicuously like the FBI in terms of acronyms?” Seriously, what does that mean? All you really wanted to say was that the acronymn FBI and FDI are similar, but is that really evidence of anything?

    Also, who cares that his former bunkmate was a murderer, what does that have to do with anything?
    Sean Penn spent a night in jail in the cell right beside convicted serial killer Richard “The Nighstalker” Ramirez, does that mean we should keep our eyes on what Penn is up to as well? Does this mean he’s going to be doing any kidn of shaddy backdoor deals in the near future?

    In regards to the posting above about Wentz winning the Albert Einstein award I found the following comment on another site which raises some interesting points

    “Has anyone done any research into where this award comes from? The GCA holds seminars to connect over seas business to those in Isreal
    and charges for attendance. People pay $18,500 to attend this seminar and while there’s suppossed to be 50 spots open, only 17 people attended this year (Excluding the 4 Chairs from the GCA). Of those 17 who attended 9 got awards. Looks to me like this is the sort of recognition you can buy. Previous years have had as many as 23 winners, so I sincerely question the worth of the GCA’s awards. Looks more like a cheap (or should I say $18,500) publicity stunt.
    If this is such a big deal, why such low attendance?”

    If you’re all for Usana on this, that’s great, but at least give them the benefit of writing a clear and concise defense instead of random comments which offer no evidence and lead nowhere. I realize blogs are about opinions, but at least try and deliver a sound argument to what you believe.

  • Steve

    T: You ask how could it be in Minkow’s best interest to create fraud? Take a look at his web site. Then Google up his church activities. This guy is so internally conflicted he has more loose pieces than a jigsaw puzzle. Then, have you ever stopped to consider that he could have been used or manipulated into the role of hit man against Usana. Could be that the fraud legend himself got blind sided? Possible?

    Think about it.

  • http://bizop.ca michael webster

    Steve; Since Barry appears to get complimented by law enforcement and attorneys on a regular basis, it is doubtful that he is “creating fraud”.

  • Justin Tyme

    In regards to “T’s” statements about the “Albert Einstein Award” being given by “GCA”, I went to their website and clicked around. T’s number of attendees, etc do not accord with my count which were much higher in EVERY category. Then, the more I browsed around, the more impressed I became as a result of getting clear on the source and vision and purpose of GCA; who they are working with; the high quality of people who are involved; and so on.

    As somewhat of an aside, I think that Mr. Minkow and his minion want to make a name for themselves by throwing dirt and causing an uproar. Another benefit is making tons of money by placing “puts” on the stock, hoping/intending that it go down. Very dispable intentions/actions for a “Man of God”! Again, even the Devil can quote Scripture!

    Justin

  • Steve

    If you think T’s statements concerning Usana are a distortion check out the Yahoo Usana message board. It’s a parallel universe where the psychotic is deemed sane. I call it Opposite Land. In Opposite Land all truth is transformed into lies. And all lies are transformed into truth. It’s a bad dream neighborhood in the worst section of the twilight zone.

  • Steve

    Michael. Minkow being complimented by certain law enforcement officials and attorneys is basically meaningless. Many enforcement agencies work closely with the lowest of the low because these scam artists understand how the darker side operates. And every so often Minkow tosses them a bone which makes them look good. It’s a part of the scam. A part of the drama. At the end of the day Minkow is going to get slammed for naked short selling and deformation. No doubt about it. He’s finished.

  • http://bizop.ca michael webster

    Yes, police do work with informers, who squeal to get lower sentences. Minkow is not in that position -he has served his time.

    Naked short selling – what evidence do you have of this? There is nothing wrong with buying a put, announcing a research report explaining your put: it is up to the market to evaluate it.

    Defamation? I assume you mean this -we will see, but I doubt it.

  • Justin Tyme

    Steve,

    How do I check out the Yahoo Usana message board you mentioned in a previous post so I can enjoy “Opposite Land”? :-) Is there a specific group or section?

    Thanks!
    Justin

  • Steve

    Justin: Google Usana Message Boards. It’s in the list. One word of advise. Don’t engage them. It’s a waste of time. But if you read the posts for a few days you’ll see that many of them are promoting naked short selling of the stock and the destruction of the company. It’s about idol worship and Minkow is their god. Poor fools!

  • Steve

    Michael. Sorry About the spelling error. As far as naked short selling read that board. Go all the way back to May, June and July and then tell me that these people aren’t putting out false and misleading information about Usana and short selling the stock for the obvious reason of destroying the company. It’s as obvious as a chip in a cow pasture.

  • Cameron Layce

    I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.

  • Justin Tyme

    In recent blind studies, USANA’s products were evaluated and approved by three leading providers of independent test results and information in lthe field of nutritional supplementation—ConsumerLab,com, LLC, Informed-Choice, and HFL.

    In the ConsumerLab.com study, CL purchased and evaluated lutein and zeaxanthin products from various nutritional supplement manufacturers to determine whether they contained the amounts of the compounds as stated on their labels. Upon completion, CL announced that USANA’s Visionex™ had “met [its] label claim and ConsumerLab’s standards for lutein and zeaxanthin products,” qualifying Visionex™ to carry the organizations coveted Seal of Approval.

    Working in conjunction with United Kingdom-based HFL, Informed-Choice conducted extensive testing on USANA supplements *Active Calcium™, *Procosa II®, *Chelated Mineral, *Poly C ®, Mega Antioxidant, and *Body Rox™. All were examined and found to be free of the contaminants targeted by Informed-Choice from the World Anti Doping Agency (WADA) list of prohibited substances, qualifying the products to carry the highly respected Informed-Choice logo.

    Dr. John Cuomo, Executive Director of Research and Development for USANA, said, “We are proud to obtain this certification from Informed-Choice. USANA Health Sciences always strives to produce the highest quality nutritional supplements available. Our goal is to provide products that are safe and effective for both athletes and the general public. We take great pride in the quality systems and manufacturing practices we have established. This certification by Informed-Choice is yet another demonstration that USANA truly lives up to its reputation as Nutritionals You Can Trust.”

    According to its website, the Informed-Choice testing specification was developed based on the analysis of thousands of supplement samples over a six-year period, as well as research into supplement contamination levels and analysis of positive drug tests within global professional sports.

    HFL is the only laboratory in the world engaged in both sports drug surveillance and contract research. They test athletes and racing animals as part of forensic doping control processes and provide research and testing services on behalf of pharmaceutical, food, consumer products, and healthcare clients.

  • Rob Last

    Interesting to see your comment:
    “I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.”
    Can you elaborate. What are the charges?
    Both Tracy Coenen and Barry Minkow and some others went very, very quiet recently.
    After all the lies they made up and wrote about Usana, I would not be surprised to hear that they committed serious offences.

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Rob,

    Sorry, no details were told to me. I was simply sent an email from a friend who in turn has a friend who works for the FBI who told him that there’s an ongoing investigation on the parts of the FBI, SEC, IRS, Attorneys General, etc of Mr. Minkow, Ms. Coenon, Mr. Fitzgerald, and quite a few others (along with the organizations they are involved with) who have been making “allegations” about USANA.

    Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!

    Justin

  • Steve

    If Minkow and Coenen were called into the FBI for a sit down, then the meeting needs to be substantiated. Who, what, where, when and why. It needs to be made public. These folks are attempting to bring down a company and if their motives are for-profit or any other reason it needs to be made public ASAP.

  • Rob Last

    Cameron. Did you mean Robert Fitzpatrick when you said Fitzgerald. Fitzpatrick just like Coenen was a contributor to Minkow’s report. He is a known MLM hater just like Jon Taylor and Tracy Coenen. And do you know who the “others” are.

  • Jon

    Justin,

    I looked over what T said about the Albert Einstein award and I have to agree with him/her. Subtracting the Chair People from the event and eliminating duplicate names in the attendees section leaves you with 17 attendees. This number is including the “Special Guests” category, which I, personally, would also eliminate since they were probably compensated for showing up. That leaves you with only 11 attendees at the event (That’s how I’d view it personally). 9 Awards were given out this year and they were dispersed amongst the Special Guests and the Attendees. Below is what I tabulated (excluding duplicate names). Names of awards are provided in abbreviations beside the name of recipient

    Chairs
    Dr Sol j Barer
    Richard A Edlin
    Robert L Grossman
    David G Nance

    Special Guests
    John Ashcroft
    Ambassador L Paul Bremer III – KD’07
    Robert Liscouski
    Gale Norton – FZ’07
    Governer Rick Perry – FZ’07
    Dr Andrew Von Eschenbech – KD’07

    Attendees
    Michael Gooch – TH’07
    Barry Greene
    James Kimsey – AE’07
    Solomon Lox
    Terry McGuire
    David G Nance
    Henry Nordhoff – AE’07
    Greg Raskin MD
    John Rheuban
    Dr Una Ryan – AE’07
    Dr Myron Wentz – AE’07

    Here is the link where I got information regarding the attendees and you can find the award winners under the honorees link.

    Also, here is the link to the 2005 recipients of the Albert Einstein awards where there were 23 people who received the award. If you find your numbers still differ, please respond.

  • Jon

    Justin,

    I’m sorry, I forgot to post the link where it mentions the cost and the number of attendees.

    I’ll quote it here

    “Who will attend:
    An elite cadre of 50 executives in homeland security, gas and oil, biotech, finance and technology.

    Cost:
    $18,500 per person – includes all meals, transfers, touring, hotel accommodations, and VIP customs and transfer upon arrival and for departure; airfare not included.”

    As stated by T it costs $18,500 to attend and there are supposed to be 50 attendees. If you want to include everyone (Chairs and Special Guests etc.) you still only get 21 for 2007, or less than half.

    Do you have numbers which contradict this? You stated in your post that all your numbers were much higher. Does that include cost as well ;)

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Rob,

    I’m unaware of whom the “others” are. That’s the wording that was conveyed to me. And yes, it should have been “Fitzpatrick” and NOT Fitzgerald.

    Justin

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Jon,

    Since I wasn’t personally at the Awards Presentation, nor were you, I’m sure, then neither of us actually know how many people were present. Could it possibly be that more were in attendance yet weren’t counted? Or preferred NOT to have their names appear on the list or in the report. And what possible difference would it make anyway how many folks were there? Maybe they weren’t able to make it due to family emergency, business crisis, health crisis, or were attending to more important matters involving national security, etc, etc, etc that being at an awards ceremony. After all, quite a few actors don’t go to the Academy Awards presentation…even though they have won an Oscar!

    Just food for thought so as to help prevent “jumping to an unfounded conclusion” and then acting “as if” one’s “opinion” is “fact”.

    Justin

  • Steve

    The award ceremony was in Jerusalem. A location which, perhaps many who would of liked to attend, found somewhat difficult to get to.

    And as someone who has lived in Jerusalem I can assure you that while the city is absolutely fantastic it is a dangerous place to say the least, which may have caused many people to think twice before making plans to attend.

  • Jon

    Justin,

    You are correct that there could be a number of possible reasons to explain what T was saying, but that doesn’t discount the possability that he/she might actually have a point. Also, you haven’t clarified on how your numbers are different.

    As for jumping to conclusions, you make a good point, but you’ve jumped to the conclusion that the award is worth the paper it’s printed on.

    Finally, do keep us informed about any forthcoming information from your anonymous unnamed source who’s a friend of a friend who works at the FBI. I wouldn’t want to jump to any more conclusions without hearing what they have to say.

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Jon,

    How familiar are you with all of Dr. Myron Wentz’ background, worldwide (and verifiable) contributions and accolades, his building and donating free of charge multimillion dollar hospitals in 3rd world countries, his donating millions to non-profit charitable organizations around the world, his setting the “gold standard” for developing viral/infectious disease diagnostic tests/assays; that he’s never taken a salary from running USANA or one of the, if not the, world’s most advanced and only 5-Star fully accredited Integral Medical and Health Restoration Hospital he built in ’98?

    Also, it’s never been a “secret” that he renounced his US citizenship many years ago and explained why (which is what a number of top wise and compassionate scientists and others interested in “global peace and well-being” have done! What, pray tell, have you accomplished matched to this, or are participating in such a way that things like this are perpetuated and enhanced? Not “judging”! Just asking?

    Without seeing the “whole picture”, all comments about a “fragment” of anything (especially USANA in this case) run the nearly 100% risk of being misunderstood and perceived as being “true” when they are NOT.

    It is so damnably easy to “destroy” anything as opposed to building, maintaining, and enhancing somethng as breakthrough wonderful as USANA is.

    I suggest wholeheartedly (and even state adamantly) that USANA, Dr. Wentz, and his friends and co-workers and visionaries have built and are offering an unprecedented “opportunity” for people around the world to improve their health and financial situation if they would be responsibile, honest, compassionate, and do the work it requires to accomplish this instead of indulging in childish, immature whimpering, whining, complaining, and nursing at the teat of a cultivated “welfare mentality” and “victim” mindset hoping to get something for nothing.

    Justin

  • Jon

    Justin,

    First off, is it Justin or Cameron? You seem to be answering questions posed to the poster with the name “Cameron Layce” so I’m a little confused about who I’m talking too. Are you posting under more than one name? Not “judging!” just asking.

    I believe you might be “jumping to conclusions.” (Funny how that happens) You see, at no time in any of my previous posts have I ever attacked Usana or Dr.Wentz personally, but instead have merely pointed out that some of what I have been reading has caused me to question the prestige of simply ONE of the many awards that I’m certain have been bestowed upon Dr.Wentz in his many years.

    Also, there has been no point where I brought up anything regarding Dr.Wetnz’ citizenship. I find it kind of funny that you’d feel the need to defend it to someone who’s never even brought it up. Is this a sensitive issue? I can’t help but feel that your “passions” have got the better of you since you posted a very powerful message which managed to, yet again, avoid answering my question. Of course, the other possability is that you’re trying to avoid answering the question, but I don’t think you’d do that. Either way I’m still curious as to whether or not you still have different numbers regarding attendees of this years GCA event. I’m not interested in theories to explain away why the numbers are what they are, but simply wondering if, upon again reviewing the web-site, you still find that your numbers conflict with those arrived at by myself and T.

    Oh, btw a friend of mine has a source at the FBI who says that they (the FBI) are investigating Usana. Well, it’s not really a friend, it’s Forbes Magazine, but here’s a link anyway

    Jon

  • Rob Last

    What’s the point you are trying to make Jon?

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Jon,

    Please see my comments “inside” your email below preceded by *****

    Justin,
    __________________________

    First off, is it Justin or Cameron?
    You seem to be answering questions posed to the poster with the name “Cameron Layce” so I’m a little confused about who I’m talking too. Are you posting under more than one name? Not “judging!” just asking.

    ***** I’m not sure how that mixup came about. Confused me too. I’m posting under one name only, namely (no pun intended, “Justin”).

    I believe you might be “jumping to conclusions.” (Funny how that happens) You see, at no time in any of my previous posts have I ever attacked Usana or Dr.Wentz personally,

    ***** I never said you were attacking. And my replies were to “clarify” some of the stuff being posted on this blog and elsewhere. Also, to point out that things published in Forbes, Wall Street Journal, etc seem to often be taken as “fact” or seen as an “authority” when they are not. In other words, to encourage people to think and find out for themselves as opposed to simply stating what they read as if that were true!

    but instead have merely pointed out that some of what I have been reading has caused me to question the prestige of simply ONE of the many awards that I’m certain have been bestowed upon Dr.Wentz in his many years.

    ***** I also question things, just to find out, not to “doubt”. I’ve known Dr. Wentz for over 13 years and this is why I’m “defensive” as you put it…not so much as to “defend” him as it is to clarify matters as best and as accurately as possible.

    Also, there has been no point where I brought up anything regarding Dr.Wetnz’ citizenship.

    ***** I probably tossed that bit it because most folks, it seems to me, automatically assume that just because someone gives up their citizenship that they are trying to hide something or get away with something illegal, etc. So, to help counteract that “tendency”, I offered up the “real” reason!

    I find it kind of funny that you’d feel the need to defend it to someone who’s never even brought it up. Is this a sensitive issue?
    ***** See above!

    I can’t help but feel that your “passions” have got the better of you since you posted a very powerful message which managed to, yet again, avoid answering my question. Of course, the other possability is that you’re trying to avoid answering the question, but I don’t think you’d do that. Either way I’m still curious as to whether or not you still have different numbers regarding attendees of this years GCA event.

    ***** I’m not avoiding answering your question. I did in a number of ways. I simply don’t know for sure how many people were there, and I suggest that you do not either because you weren’t there taking notes! Put aside the “awards”, take a look at the verifiable accomplishments and recognitions by the scientific community, his published research, etc.

    I’m not interested in theories to explain away why the numbers are what they are, but simply wondering if, upon again reviewing the web-site, you still find that your numbers conflict with those arrived at by myself and T.

    ***** Whether my count of the “supposed” (vs the “actual”) number of people who attended jives with yours or not is completely irrelevant to me. Why the big deal? Would it really matter, as I mentioned before. It’s like someone finding a “typo” in a scientific paper published by Linus Pauling or Jonas Salk or Martin Luther King. No big deal! Look at the “big” picture, the “spirit” of the message, vision, and accomplishments of USANA and Dr. Wentz. Again, it is so easy to “destroy, make wrong, find fault” than it is to construct, maintain, and enhance something that is proven to be improving the health and well-being of people all around the world. Am I “defensive”…nah, “protective” is a more accurate word. Wouldn’t you be too of your loved ones?

    Justin (not Cameron)

    Oh, btw a friend of mine has a source at the FBI who says that they (the FBI) are investigating Usana. Well, it’s not really a friend, it’s Forbes Magazine, but here’s a link anyway

    Jon

  • Jon

    Justin,

    You have not yet answered my question in anyway, it seems as though we keep “dancing” around it. Below are direct quotes from three of my posts where I ask you to respond to how your numbers are different then those arrived at by T and myself.

    First Post
    “Do you have numbers which contradict this? You stated in your post that all your numbers were much higher. Does that include cost as well ;)”

    Second Post
    “Also, you haven’t clarified on how your numbers are different.”

    Third Post
    “I can’t help but feel that your “passions” have got the better of you since you posted a very powerful message which managed to, yet again, avoid answering my question. Of course, the other possability is that you’re trying to avoid answering the question, but I don’t think you’d do that. Either way I’m still curious as to whether or not you still have different numbers regarding attendees of this years GCA event. I’m not interested in theories to explain away why the numbers are what they are, but simply wondering if, upon again reviewing the web-site, you still find that your numbers conflict with those arrived at by myself and T.”

    You responded to T’s post by stating

    “I went to their website and clicked around. T’s number of attendees, etc do not accord with my count which were much higher in EVERY category.”

    I have arrived at the same answer as T regarding the number of attendees “listed” on the web-site and I am asking if, based on that same web-site, your numbers are still different. I’m not asking you to offer possible theories as to why the numbers are the way they are, but instead asking to respond with how many attendees you counted as being listed (excluding duplicate names) on the web-site. I’ll make this extremely easy to avoid any further confusion by placing my results down in the same way I’d like you to respond

    Jon’s Results
    Chairs – 4
    Special Guests – 6
    Attendees (Excluding Chairs/Special Guests) – 11

    This is what I have been trying to get you to respond to since you said that the answers you came up with were “…much higher in EVERY category.” I’ll fully acknowledge that this may not, in fact, be the list of “actual” attendees, but it is the list from which you state you have different answers. I’m calling your account into question because I wish to know what numbers you arrived at and how you arrived at them, so if you wish to demonstrate that you’re a fair minded individual who’s willing to take the time to point out the errors of others, or are mature enough to admit when you are wrong you will respond to this post in the format I requested.

    To Rob,

    The only point I’m trying to make is that everyone should try and provide as full an answer as possible. In this singular case I am simply interested in having Justin explain how his tabulated results differ from those of T and myself. This should be extremely simple because we’re all relying on the same web-page. I’ve already said my “piece” about the award and I’m well aware that Justin does not share my skepticism and that is no longer the issue, because I’m certain neither of us would get anywhere going back and forth over it. To put it simply, Justin said his results are different and I think it is a fair thing to ask him what his results are.

    Jon

  • Rob Last

    I find this discussion about exactly how many people attended, rather tedious.

    It was obviously a small gathering and the attendees and honorees seemed to have been carefuly chosen/invited to meet some important business leaders and decision makers in some selected areas.
    It was a small, EXCLUSIVE meeting and the fact that Dr Wentz was included, invited and presented with an award made it very special, much more special than if it had been a big meeting attended by hundreds.

    The presence of people like Paul Bremer or Dr Andrew von Eschenbach at the Mission really says it all. Dr Wentz was there in a really good company!!!

    Rob

  • Jon

    Rob,

    I can understand why this may seem tedious to you, but I’m just trying to figure out what numbers Justin has arrived at and how. I have asked several times, but we seem to continuously be misunderstanding each other (maybe I have an accent ;) ).

    I would agree that it was a small gathering, but there is nothing which suggests they were “carefully chosen/invited”. Nothing points to the fact it was exclusive. From what I’ve seen there is no reason to believe that anyone, aside from “Special Guests”, was selected to attend this meeting, but instead it is an open forum that anyone willing to make the trip and pay the fee is allowed to attend.

    I simply want to see how Justin’s account differs from that of T and myself, in terms of numbers, not opinion, and how he/she arrived at them. Why do I care so much? Because if Justin can demonstrate to me that his numbers are “… much higher in EVERY category” then I’ve clearly made a mistake and I will adjust my opinion to reflect this. From what I’ve read Justin has a lot of faith in Usana, so I’m certain he’d like to take this opportunity to remove some of my skepticism regarding this ONE matter and, if it turns out his numbers are not “… much higher in EVERY category” based on the web-site we have all been looking at I think he should admit to his error in his response to T in regards to the numbers only. I do not expect him to renounce his opinion of the Albert Einstein award, but I think he should at least explain how he arrived at these different numbers in case there are more confused people out there. After all, it’s so damnably easy to say “My account is different”, but sometimes it’s hard pointing out how.

    Jon

  • Anne

    #75
    Robert Liscouski was a prior “Friend of Zion” award winner. He was paid to get the award back in 2003 and paid to go in 2007. He treated both as a vacation and received numerous gifts in 2003.

  • Jon

    Anne,

    I can see that you go beyond my skepticism regarding this award, but I think comments such as yours should still include references. Simply stating something is great or worthless doesn’t really win me over and I’m still mainly interested in how Justin can claim to have numbered the attendees mentioned on the web-site as being higher than what myself or T were able to come up with and, if possible, demonstrate why his are higher. I want to know if I’ve made a mistake and I would like him to directly answer me in the format I presented in my previous post so that there is no more confusion and if, upon review, finds that his numbers are no different I’d merely like him to state so.

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Jon,

    Listen up! This matter of the “count” is boring and irrelevant except to one who has an obsessive fixation on minutia…which I sure don’t. I much prefer to look at the overall picture of USANA dating back to at least 1939.

    Why you, or anyone for that matter, would focus in on a tiny fraction and blow it all out of proportion suggests to me that such a one would have an ulterior negative motive or agenda s/he is pushing. Reminds me of Svengali’s who distract attention in order to trick people! Great for amusement, but horribly unethical and immoral in my book when done with the intention to harm someone or something.

    As I’ve mentioned before, and this is the VERY LAST TIME, I have NOT, repeat NOT, avoided answering your question, but you seem to be addicted to your viewpoint that I have.

    Neither I nor you actually know for sure how many people were present, why they were present, etc. Sure, plenty of guesses can be offered….however ALL OF THEM come from guesses and by automatically accepting the printed word from various sources, etc…and NONE OF THAT is based on personal direct unmediated first-hand, I-was-personally-there, I knew all the people involved, as well as who arranged the meeting and why certain people were presented various awards, etc, ad infinitum.

    Your posts, and some of a few others, remind me of the basic difference between the “Oriental” and “Occidental” way of viewing the world.

    The “Oriental” way is when looking at a pure white wall with one tiny speck of black on it they will focus on and appreciate the 99.99% pure white.

    Whereas the “Occidental” way ignores the 99.99% pure white and zooms in on the .01% black spot and say how dirty the wall is, it isn’t perfect, it’s impure, it’s horrible…..thereby magnifying that infinitismal iota all out of proportion, effectively turning lemonaid into lemon.

    So, by me stating that my count was higher in every area, I still stand by that….and, at the same time, as I’ve mentioned ad nauseum now, it doesn’t matter what my count or point of view is.

    As I’ve said, no one knows what it is for sure and it is completely irrelevant to me. I might as well be asking you why the second toe on your right foot is “misshaped”. No big deal. Look at the “whole person”.

    If you or anyone don’t do this as a result of being addicted to (and self-imprisoned by) the “perceived need” to be “right” at all costs you automatically deprive yourself of a myriad of endless blessings that are being delivered to you on a silver plater as you are reading this. They’re all yours (and everyone’s) for the taking if you/they have enough “room” inside themselves for these blessings to flow into!

    Justin

  • Steve

    This entire discussion of how many people did or did not attend an award ceremony is ANAL. Jon reminds me of a totally anal fool who posts on the Yahoo Usana message board under the screen name Non-A-Mous.

    Am I on to something?

  • Julie

    Also, is Jon, Jon Taylor? That would explain his obsession with this topic.

  • Jon

    Justin,

    Still haven’t answered the question champ.

    Jon

  • Steve

    Perhaps you haven’t received an answer because your inquiry is so absurd it doesn’t deserve a reply. Get over it. Move on to something that’s important!

  • http://www.bizop.ca/blog2/multi-level-marketing/ michael webster

    Jon’s questions seems fair. What is the answer

  • Steve

    Michael. If you’re asking me, I don’t have a clue I wasn’t there. Find someone who attended and ask for the head count. Why does this matter???? What’s the relevance? What’s the point? It’s a childish pursuit of an air-headed issue. If it was anyone other than Myron Wentz no one would be talking about it. No one would care.

  • Jon

    Steve,

    Here’s a thought, you tell me what you get. Here’s the site

    Watch out for duplicate names ;)

    Jon

  • Steve

    Jon. I can’t now. I’m counting butterflies.

  • Justim Tylme

    Hi Jon,

    Here’s my FINAL answer. I don’t know. You don’t know. I don’t give a drek. I’ve given you too much of my precious time, as have others in giving you feedback. Move on to something relevant and life enhancing…assuming you still know what that’s all about! End of topic!

    Justin

  • Justim Tylme

    Michael Webster wrote, “Jon’s questions seems fair. What is the answer?”

    Well, Michael, in my view all questions are “fair”…it’s just that this particular question, which seems to me to be a “fetish” with Jon, is, as Steve pointed out, “absurd”. I would add also “ridiculous” and “meaningless.” Suppose he and I agree on a certain number of attendees, whatever that amount is. So what? Will that change anything or will his persnickety obessiveness with this vanish to make room for another obession with minutia surface and off we go on another wild goose chase? I personally think that is what would happen. I also think he has a “perceived need” to be “right” and “in control” which is a sad, tight, dark, and stressful place to hangout, let alone live in and as! By the way, that’s NOT an attack, it’s simply an appraisal of what might be the case. Nothing personal involved at all!

    In addition, since when did the “number” of people attending anything really indicate directly the ‘importance’ of an event. Witness the long long lines of people standing in line for the iPhone and all the excitement. And then when it comes to the Presidential (and other elections), you can’t get people off their lardy butts who prefer watching TV instead of voting for someone who wouldn’t have nearly destroyed this country financially, environmentally, justified killing 670,000 citizens of another country and 4,000 US soldiers, taken away civil liberties, and so on ad nauseum.

    Jon’s fixating on who and how many people attended a gathering suggests to me that he is looking for “ammo” to promote his own hidden agenda and ulterior motives which is definitely not the highest quality a human being could express.

    Justin

  • Jon

    Justin,

    Who’s more of the control freak, the person who asks for clarification or the person who refuses to give it? For that matter who’s the one more obsessed with being right, the one who says he’s open to hearing anothers argument, or the one who refuses to discuss his argument for fear of being wrong? Just food for thought big guy.

    Jon

  • Steve

    Jon. UFO’s. What do you think. Real? Not real? Quantum event? What’s your take?

  • Jon

    Steve,

    After re-reading your posts I’ll concede that there probably is life on other planets, but I wouldn’t say it’s intelligent. Get around to counting those attendees yet?

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Dear Jon Letter,

    In regards to all of your previous [Personal attack deleted] remarks, let’s just say that you get to be “right” at the expense of experiencing aliveness, wellness, and a chance to make a positive difference in the world by “being” one!

    All you’re going on is what appears on a website. Did it ever occur to you that there might have been more attendees there, plenty of whom didn’t want their names to be listed? Wake up, dude! Join the human race!

    Your obsessive/compusive addiction to this “count thing” may be something that you might very well seriously consider receiving treatment for! And soon!

    Justin

  • Jon

    Justin,

    It’s not about being “right”; it’s about your obvious attempts at avoiding straight forward questions. I now honestly believe you didn’t even take the time to look at what T was saying. Instead you blindly said “well I found different” without doing any investigating in the hopes that it’d go away and that’s the real issue here. You’re not willing to engage in an open discussion; instead you resort to rambling speeches and preachy comments which totally avoid answering questions no matter how direct they are.

    The comments in your second last post lead me to believe that you’re totally paranoid. You said that you thought I was looking for “ammo” to promote a “hidden agenda.” Are you that afraid of an open debate? I wasn’t out to gain ammunition with which to attack your belief (we already went through what we believed), and was even willing to concede that no one really knows for sure. What I was trying to do was see how your account differed and if it did not whether or not you were honest enough to admit to it. If I’m going to spend the time to read your posts (which, like every ones, is merely opinion) then I want to know that you’re someone who is open-minded and rational and I now feel that you are neither.

    Sadly, I find that you’re behaviour is entirely biased and contradictory. One small example is that you referenced Forbes magazine in, I believe, 3 of your posts praising USANA. However, once I pointed out Forbes has a source which says the FBI is investigating USANA, the magazine was something to doubt. You encourage people to think for themselves and to find things out, but you can’t hack it when people do and come up with something you don’t agree with.

    Here’s a thought, how about you take your little speech about the “Oriental vs Occidental” way of viewing things and apply it to your view of Barry Minkow. He may have a “spot” (A rather large one admittedly) in his past, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have some valid points.

    In short, it’s not about the count; it’s about your blind devotion to USANA, your contradictory approach to both your research and your professed outlook on life, your blatant attempts at avoiding direct questions and your paranoia. That’s the gist of it, so good luck with that! I’m going to miss our little chats, but I’ll be sure to check in when I get back.

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Dear Jon (aka: OC Candidate par excellence)…

    See my comments “inside” your diatribe below preceded by ******, and this time….please pay attention, OK?

    Justin

    It’s not about being “right”;

    ****** Yes it IS about YOU having to be “right”. There is no way to ascertain an absolutely accurate count. So, if it will help you feel “superior”, then I’ll roll over and let you be “right” about the count. There, you have it. You are RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT! Now can we move on to something relevant and constructive?

    it’s about your obvious attempts at avoiding straight forward questions. I now honestly believe you didn’t even take the time to look at what T was saying. Instead you blindly said “well I found different” without doing any investigating in the hopes that it’d go away and that’s the real issue here.

    ****** Hey, YOU, wake up! How could I comment on your posts if I didn’t read them. You’re enveloped in a “non-sequitor”.

    You’re not willing to engage in an open discussion; instead you resort to rambling speeches and preachy comments which totally avoid answering questions no matter how direct they are.

    ****** Again, wake up! I’ve replied to your innane fantacism several times, as have others and address your question in multiple ways, all of them direct. Sheesh!

    The comments in your second last post lead me to believe that you’re totally paranoid. You said that you thought I was looking for “ammo” to promote a “hidden agenda.” Are you that afraid of an open debate? I wasn’t out to gain ammunition with which to attack your belief (we already went through what we believed), and was even willing to concede that no one really knows for sure. What I was trying to do was see how your account differed and if it did not whether or not you were honest enough to admit to it. If I’m going to spend the time to read your posts (which, like every ones, is merely opinion) then I want to know that you’re someone who is open-minded and rational and I now feel that you are neither.

    ****** You clearly need to read my post again. I never accused you of collect “ammo”. I was positing a possibility and now, here you come, claiming I accused you. Who is the paranoid one? If you feel I’m neither open minded or rational, please don’t bother posting questions designed to pursue the irrelevant. I think everyone reading this blog will be relieved…especially me!

    Sadly, I find that you’re behaviour is entirely biased and contradictory. One small example is that you referenced Forbes magazine in, I believe, 3 of your posts praising USANA. However, once I pointed out Forbes has a source which says the FBI is investigating USANA, the magazine was something to doubt. You encourage people to think for themselves and to find things out, but you can’t hack it when people do and come up with something you don’t agree with.

    ****** Nah! That’s YOUR interpretation. I was, and I stated I was, simply posting information that could easily be checked out by anyone so they could educate themselves on “both” sides of things. I really don’t give a drek if you or anyone agree with me, especially your obsessive/compulsive nonsense!

    Here’s a thought, how about you take your little speech about the “Oriental vs Occidental” way of viewing things and apply it to your view of Barry Minkow. He may have a “spot” (A rather large one admittedly) in his past, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have some valid points.

    ****** I never said Minkow did or didn’t have “valid points.” That’s YOUR stuff you’re trying to lay on me.

    In short, it’s not about the count; it’s about your blind devotion to USANA, your contradictory approach to both your research and your professed outlook on life, your blatant attempts at avoiding direct questions and your paranoia. That’s the gist of it, so good luck with that! I’m going to miss our little chats, but I’ll be sure to check in when I get back.

    ****** Well, Jon. I hope you feel better now that you’ve ranted, raved, attacked, accused, and done everything else but honestly inquire for yourself. I’m sure you will check when you get back. How could you not? You won’t be able to help yourself.

    By the way, as long as we’re both “telling the truth”, what IS your last name? Do you have any ties with Barry Minkow or anyone associated with him? Do you go to his church? If you know him, how long? Did you buy and sell any USANA stock? Inquiring minds want to know!

    Justin

  • Steve

    Justin. Why are you communicating with this guy? He’s an intellectually pathetic clown. Probably a reject from the Yahoo Usana message board. Launching a debate about the number of people at an awards ceremony is strictly third grade. Guy just probably hates Myron Wentz. Ignore him, he’s a fool.

  • Justim Tyme

    Hi Steve,

    The main reason I am “communicating” with “that guy” is to keep providing him the opportunity to vividly demonstrate how innane his addiction to focusing on something trivial, irrelevant, and immaterial his obsession is. :-))

    Justin

  • Steve

    Justin. If you really want to see some real innane stupidity expressed in the most biased and vicious manner you’ve got to check out the Yahoo Usana message board. One of the more prolific anit-Usana posters once posted a prison rape video and suggested that the victim was Dave Wentz. John and his obsession with award ceremony head counts is minor league compared to the Yahoo crew. It’s like a message board version of a snuff film.

  • Jon

    Justin (aka Cameron Layce),

    Of course I’d be back, I said I would. Drop the arm chair psychology, you don’t have the education for it.

    Let me say this again, it’s not about being right. It’s about your avoidance of a DIRECT QUESTION. The reason you won’t give me a DIRECT ANSWER is because you don’t have one which goes along with your “higher count” story. You claimed to have a different count because you didn’t like what T had to say. You won’t provide a DIRECT ANSWER because you’d have to show where you got it from. If avoidance is now you handle open discussions I’m willing to bet that your story about a friend who has an anonymous timpster at the FBI is just reliable as your count. Which is to say, not much.

    Now on to your questions, and I’ll be as direct with you as you’ve been with me (For those of you just tuning in this is known as parody and most of it, but not all, is combed out of Justin’s “direct answers” to my question).

    What is my name?
    Does it really matter Justin? Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? By locking yourself into this narrow mindset of worrying about something as miniscule as a name you automatically deprive yourself of a myriad of endless blessings that are being delivered to you on a silver platter as you are reading this. They’re all yours (and everyone’s) for the taking if you/they have enough “room” inside themselves for these blessings to flow into!

    Do you have any ties with Barry Minkow or anyone associated with him?
    Why do you have this overwhelming fascination with Barry Minkow? Why you, or anyone for that matter, would focus so much on one single persons past misdeeds and blow it all out of proportion suggests to me that such a one would have an ulterior negative motive or agenda s/he is pushing. Reminds me of Svengali’s who distract attention in order to trick people! Great for amusement, but horribly unethical and immoral in my book when done with the intention to harm someone or something. Wake up, dude! Join the human race!

    Do you go to his church?
    Since when does going anywhere indicate the importance of anything? Witness the long long lines of people going and waiting in line for the iPhone and all the excitement. And then when it comes to the Presidential (and other elections), you can’t get people off their lardy butts to go vote for someone who wouldn’t have nearly destroyed this country financially, environmentally, justified killing 670,000 citizens of another country and 4,000 US soldiers, taken away civil liberties, and so on ad nauseum. Wake up, dude! Join the human race!

    Did you buy and sell any USANA stock?
    It’s never been a “secret” that Myron Wentz renounced his US citizenship many years ago and explained why (which is what a number of top wise and compassionate scientists and others interested in “global peace and well-being” have done! What, pray tell, have you accomplished matched to this, or are participating in such a way that things like this are perpetuated and enhanced? Not “judging”! Just asking? Wake up, dude! Join the human race!

    BTW Justin a direct answer would be a “WHOLE NUMBER” with an explanation/link to where you got it from to show how your count differs from T’s, but hey, whatever.

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Just when you thought there was some sane space and breathing room, and up pops Jon still stuck on a head count as if anyone in the entire world knows the exact number of people present and what really went down.

    Consider this my final “Dear Jon” post!

    Jigoku Ike

  • Jon

    Justin/Cameron,

    I’ve said numerous times before, I’m not asking for an EXACT count of who was there because I’ll admit that neither of us attended. HOWEVER, you stated you got a DIFFERENT count than T, but you have repeatedly AVOIDED answering how your number is different or where you got it from (An exact number and a source anyone can verify). Just admit that you’re full of it, you didn’t find anything different than T or myself and that’s why you can’t answer.

    I can’t help but get annoyed when someone makes posts on a web-board acting like some sort of moral compass by pointing fingers at the behaviour of others, but has no problem making things up in the hopes of strengthening their argument.

    BTW, Jigoku Ike? Are you trying to pass that off as your name? Are you trying to pretend like you’re not afraid to show who you really are? Are you trying to tell me your parents named you “Go to Hell?” I sincerely doubt that. I take that as a veiled personal attack against me. What a surprise that you’d try to avoid being up front and direct about it. No, seriously, I’m shocked! Tsk tsk tsk Justin, where are your morals?

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Dearest Jon!

    Isn’t it interesting that you won’t reveal your < last name yet focus so much attention on names? Why, you apparently don’t even know for sure who you’re posting to! Is it to me…or is it to Cameron (who definitely is not me)!

    Jon Wrote…< Justin/Cameron,

    < I’ve said numerous times before, I’m not asking < for an EXACT count of who was there because
    < I’ll admit that neither of us attended.
    < HOWEVER, you stated you got a DIFFERENT count
    < than T, but you have repeatedly AVOIDED ,
    < answering how your number is different or where < you got it from (An exact number and a source < anyone can verify). Just admit that you’re full < of it, you didn’t find anything different than T < or myself and that’s why you can’t answer.

    Have it your way, Jon! As I mentioned in my previous email, I’ll roll over just to please you. You have the “final word” on the irrelevant count. Hope this will allow you to sleep better so you can go on another rant and feed your addiction by focusing on another slice of nonsense.

    < I can’t help but get annoyed when someone makes < posts on a web-board acting like some sort of < moral compass by pointing fingers at the < behaviour of others, but has no problem making < things up in the hopes of strengthening their < argument.

    It’s quite obvious to me and several others on this board that you aren’t able to help yourself!

    < BTW, Jigoku Ike? Are you trying to pass that < off as your name?

    Interesting that you picked up on that. Why? Because it was my nickname when I was growing up since my mother is Japanese.

    < Are you trying to pretend like < you’re not afraid to show who you really are?

    Nah! Guess again since you’re so fond of guessing!

    < Are you trying to tell me your parents named < you “Go to Hell?”

    Yep! That’s what I just mentioned above!

    < I sincerely doubt that.

    I’m sure you do doubt that because you’re full of doubt which is why you overcomensate by pretending to “know” and be an “authority”!

    < I take < that as a veiled personal attack against me.

    It doesn’t surprise me that you would “interpret” it as a threat since that’s where you come from and would like to think! That way you can use it as “ammo” to attack whatever you focus your sights on!

    < What a surprise that you’d try to avoid being up < front and direct about it. No, seriously, I’m < shocked! Tsk tsk tsk Justin, where are your < morals?

    Nah! You aren’t shocked or surprised. You’re just trying to put me down in a condescending manner. As for “morals”, you best look up the definition ’cause they vary from one situation to another, one culture to another, ad infinitum. So get off your preacher act and join the human race for a change! Try it! You might like it!

    As I’ve mentioned before, it’s so easy to “destroy” something, anything. But to build something that has been helping hundreds of thousands of people all around the world improve their lives and well-being, well….now that’s damn hard! And I sure don’t see YOU participating in any way, shape, or form to facilitate that happening.

    Signed:
    Justin “Jigoku Ike” Tyme! :-))

  • Jon

    See my comments below after the %%%%%

    Dearest Jon!

    %%%%% Dear, sweet, Justin!

    Isn’t it interesting that you won’t reveal your < last name yet focus so much attention on names? Why, you apparently don’t even know for sure who you’re posting to! Is it to me…or is it to Cameron (who definitely is not me)!

    %%%%% I answered your questions about my name just as directly as you responded to my questions, so I can’t think of what could possibly be bothering you or why you find it so interesting. Also, I know exactly who I’m posting to, I’m posting to someone who has used two separate names while posting in this forum. Also, you can stop trying to pretend like Justin Tyme (just in time) is your actual name, I don’t think anyone is going to buy it.

    Jon Wrote…< Justin/Cameron,

    < I’ve said numerous times before, I’m not asking < for an EXACT count of who was there because
    < I’ll admit that neither of us attended.
    < HOWEVER, you stated you got a DIFFERENT count
    < than T, but you have repeatedly AVOIDED ,
    < answering how your number is different or where < you got it from (An exact number and a source < anyone can verify). Just admit that you’re full < of it, you didn’t find anything different than T < or myself and that’s why you can’t answer.

    Have it your way, Jon! As I mentioned in my previous email, I’ll roll over just to please you. You have the “final word” on the irrelevant count. Hope this will allow you to sleep better so you can go on another rant and feed your addiction by focusing on another slice of nonsense.

    %%%%% You’re not rolling over “just to please” me, you’re rolling over because you lied originally and have nowhere to go. The “slice of nonsense” I’m focusing on is whether or not you’re a valid source of information. You’ve made some pretty big claims here, (knowing Wentz personally, having a source at the FBI (You know, the claim you made under the name Cameron Layce)), but of course no one can verify any of this. However, your continued refusal to answer a simple question and the countless ways you avoided answering it, demonstrates you’re not an honest person. When this originally started, I really wanted to know what I had missed, but as it progressed I came to realize that you had no intention of answering me, because you were lying in the first place. Lets be honest here, you don’t know Wentz and you don’t have any relation to anyone at the FBI. You’re just trying to defend USANA in whatever way possible. You’re as trustworthy as a USANA resume!

    < I can’t help but get annoyed when someone makes < posts on a web-board acting like some sort of < moral compass by pointing fingers at the < behaviour of others, but has no problem making < things up in the hopes of strengthening their < argument.

    It’s quite obvious to me and several others on this board that you aren’t able to help yourself!

    %%%%%Oh, isn’t that cute, but you’re still a liar.

    < BTW, Jigoku Ike? Are you trying to pass that < off as your name?

    Interesting that you picked up on that. Why? Because it was my nickname when I was growing up since my mother is Japanese.

    %%%%%Childhood nickname, right! Why would you possibly get the idea to sign your post with a childhood nickname your “Japanese mother” gave you. How convenient that it also means “go to hell.” Oh wait! It’s not convenient at all, it’s just more crap. It’s not interesting that I’d pick up on it, it’s the sort of crap I figured you’d pull.

    < Are you trying to pretend like < you’re not afraid to show who you really are?

    Nah! Guess again since you’re so fond of guessing!

    %%%%%I don’t think I really need to guess again, pretty sure I got it right the first time.

    < Are you trying to tell me your parents named < you “Go to Hell?”

    Yep! That’s what I just mentioned above!

    %%%%%No, they didn’t. I doubt your mothers even Japanese. There’s no logical reason for you to randomly decide to sign your post with a childhood nickname. This is just more bull.

    < I sincerely doubt that.

    I’m sure you do doubt that because you’re full of doubt which is why you overcomensate by pretending to “know” and be an “authority”!

    %%%%%I’m only full of doubt because you’ve demonstrated that you’re full of s#!t.

    < I take < that as a veiled personal attack against me.

    It doesn’t surprise me that you would “interpret” it as a threat since that’s where you come from and would like to think! That way you can use it as “ammo” to attack whatever you focus your sights on!

    %%%%%There he goes again with the “ammo”

    < What a surprise that you’d try to avoid being up < front and direct about it. No, seriously, I’m < shocked! Tsk tsk tsk Justin, where are your < morals?

    Nah! You aren’t shocked or surprised. You’re just trying to put me down in a condescending manner. As for “morals”, you best look up the definition ’cause they vary from one situation to another, one culture to another, ad infinitum. So get off your preacher act and join the human race for a change! Try it! You might like it!

    %%%%%Of course I’m neither shocked nor surprised and I assumed you’d recognize a condescending tone, you use it so frequently yourself. “Get off my preacher act” Why, are you afraid of the competition? Do you have a monopoly on preaching in this web-board? Come on Justin, join the human race!

    As I’ve mentioned before, it’s so easy to “destroy” something, anything. But to build something that has been helping hundreds of thousands of people all around the world improve their lives and well-being, well….now that’s damn hard! And I sure don’t see YOU participating in any way, shape, or form to facilitate that happening.

    %%%%% Do you know what’s easiest of all? The easiest thing of all is making things up in an argument so you can pretend like you’re an authority on the issue. Saying that you know Wentz, that you have a connection to a source in the FBI who just happens to be aware/connected to the whole USANA thing, saying that you have different results than someone else, but repeatedly avoiding explaining how or where you got them from. Also, of course YOU don’t see me “participating in anyway”, you DON’T SEE me at all.

    Signed:
    Justin “Jigoku Ike” Tyme! :-))

    %%%%% You forgot to include “Cameron Layce”

    Jon :P

  • Justin Tyme

    Jon,

    I posted a lengthy rebuttal to your stuff citing error after error after error….a total of 10 of them; as well as false logic, assumptions, your self-projections, etc….however, apparently it wasn’t “accepted” by the moderator of this blog. I haven’t the desire to recreate it…so let’s just wrap all this irrelevancy up by me saying that you get to feel “right” in your eyes…but not really!

    Justin (and most definitely NOT Cameron…even though you won’t believe me!)

  • http://www.robot-of-the-week.com Christopher Rose

    Justin, I am the comments editor for Blogcritics and I can assure you that we don’t block comments unless they are personal attacks or spam, stuff like that. I am unaware of any of your comments being blocked at all.

  • Jon

    Justin/Cameron

    Is “the monitor blocked my post” the adult equivalent of “the dog ate my homework”?

    We’ve already gone through why you’re the same person. You posted as Cameron about the FBI investigating Minkow and then responded to all further queries under your usual “handle” Justin Tyme (not “Handle”, not “Real Name”).

    As for your long rebuttal “citing error after error after error” I’m surprised that you “haven’t the desire to recreate it”, that doesn’t sound like the Justin Tyme I know (Guess what tone I’m using!) If I have to trust either you or the someone claiming to be the editor about your “rebuttal” then I’m sorry champ, but I’m going to have to go with the editor.

    Funny thing happened the other day while I was reading more about USANA and their current troubles. I came across an blog with a post by someone using the name Justin Tyme who responded to an article which was discussing the numerous credential problems USANA was found to have. I’ll post the response here
    “1. And pray tell, what are YOUR credentials? Have you ever “lied” or “exaggerated” on your resumé? Or when applying for a job? Or cheated on an exam in school? Or lied to your parents? Or lied to someone whom you wanted to have sex with or get to do something you want? It’s sooooo easy to throw stones and destroy things isn’t it? Just toss out opinionated, biased, agenda-riddled BS. That’s cheap and easy to do and you’re guilty of doing just that! So why not cross over to the other side and try building something of importance that will contribute to the well-being of others? My guess is that you don’t have the integrity or the ethics or empathy or will to do that! You’d rather keep yourself enslaved to the dark forces. Hopefully I’m mistaken! So, I invite you to prove me wrong.

    Justin
    Posted at 4:45PM on Jun 12th 2007 by Justin Tyme”
    The entire blog/rebuttals can be found here.

    So Justin, were you trying to say it’s okay to lie provided you’re “building something of importance?” You slammed Minkow above for going to the FBI stating that “in the case of USANA, it would have been far better and appropriate to have offered suggestions on how to have USANA be an even better company.” You even stated that Minkow is “doing it “unethically” in your opinion in regards to how he’s pursuing this subject. What would be ethical in your opinion? Out of curiosity, IF USANA is, in fact, guilty of fraud, how many hospitals will they have had to build for it to be ethical?

    Also, if you’re trying for the “appear to be the bigger person act by simply agreeing with the person you’re talking to” you normally don’t add in “… but not really!” Oh well, I guess you just can’t help yourself. Don’t “keep yourself enslaved to the dark forces” Justin, “Join the human race!”

    Finally, has there been any more word from your associates contact at the FBI? No wait, let me guess! You have a cousin that has an associate that works at an iHop and they overheard Barry Minkow confess that his report against USANA is really a giant scheme to steal Christmas! Will you be alerting the press, or should I?

    Jon ;)

  • http://www.robot-of-the-week.com Christopher Rose

    Jon, your comment was snaffled by the anti-spam system. The solution is NOT to repost it multiple times but have a little patience. Otherwise the Comments Editor gets hacked off.

    Comments Editor.

  • Jon

    Christopher,

    My mistake, I thought the problem was at my end since I kept getting a blank page and when I returned to this post nothing was updated. Well, at least I know now for sure now that you are, in fact, the comments editor of this blog. I apologize for being so hasty and next time I’ll be sure to wait it out.

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Jon :P

    Below are my comments preceded by §§§§ so you can easily spot and misunderstand them!

    Justin/Cameron
    §§§§ I told you that I am NOT Cameron. I repeat, I am NOT Cameron, nor have I ever been. Why do you insist on persisting that I am or ever have been. Give it up, dude!

    Is “the monitor blocked my post” the adult equivalent of “the dog ate my homework”?

    §§§§ Nah! That’s just another snide remark on your part! I think, however, you can now perhaps believe that my post did not go through since apparently one of your previous ones did NOT either as evidenced by you submitting, resubmitting, resubmitting, etc it again and again and again and then apologized when the moderator explained the situation. So, I could ask you, “did the dog eat your posts?”, but I won’t!

    We’ve already gone through why you’re the same person. You posted as Cameron about the FBI investigating Minkow and then responded to all further queries under your usual “handle” Justin Tyme (not “Handle”, not “Real Name”).

    §§§§ I did not post as Cameron. So either produce the evidence or quit insisting I did. Otherwise, you are perpetuating a lie.

    As for your long rebuttal “citing error after error after error” I’m surprised that you “haven’t the desire to recreate it”, that doesn’t sound like the Justin Tyme I know.

    §§§§ First of all, you don’t know me! (Guess what tone I’m using!)

    §§§§ I don’t have to guess what “tone” you’re using…I can smell it from here!

    If I have to trust either you or the someone claiming to be the editor about your “rebuttal” then I’m sorry champ, but I’m going to have to go with the editor.

    §§§§ Of course you’ll go with the editor as that serves your biased agenda! And you don’t “HAVE TO” trust…you GET TO trust…but I don’t think you’re used to working that kind of heart muscle!

    Funny thing happened the other day while I was reading more about USANA and their current troubles. I came across an blog with a post by someone using the name Justin Tyme who responded to an article which was discussing the numerous credential problems USANA was found to have. I’ll post the response here
    “1. And pray tell, what are YOUR credentials? Have you ever “lied” or “exaggerated” on your resumé? Or when applying for a job? Or cheated on an exam in school? Or lied to your parents? Or lied to someone whom you wanted to have sex with or get to do something you want? It’s sooooo easy to throw stones and destroy things isn’t it? Just toss out opinionated, biased, agenda-riddled BS. That’s cheap and easy to do and you’re guilty of doing just that! So why not cross over to the other side and try building something of importance that will contribute to the well-being of others? My guess is that you don’t have the integrity or the ethics or empathy or will to do that! You’d rather keep yourself enslaved to the dark forces. Hopefully I’m mistaken! So, I invite you to prove me wrong.

    Justin
    Posted at 4:45PM on Jun 12th 2007 by Justin Tyme”
    The entire blog/rebuttals can be found here.

    So Justin, were you trying to say it’s okay to lie provided you’re “building something of importance?”

    §§§§ Nope! That’s not what I was saying or even implying! You really have to become aware of and then be accountable for how to take things out of context and twist them to suit your agenda!

    §§§§ In reference to the following, I didn’t “slam” Minkow (that is YOUR word and tweaking). I merely strongly voiced my opinion!

    You slammed Minkow above for going to the FBI stating that “in the case of USANA, it would have been far better and appropriate to have offered suggestions on how to have USANA be an even better company.” You even stated that Minkow is “doing it “unethically” in your opiniom in regards to how he’s pursuing this subject. What would be ethical in your opinion?

    §§§§ Notice just above I stated it was “my opinion”. Do you have a problem with people expressing their “opinions” or are you a certified member of the “thought police”?

    Out of curiosity, IF USANA is, in fact, guilty of fraud, how many hospitals will they have had to build for it to be ethical?

    §§§§ What the heck kind of non-sequitur statement/question is that. First of all, it starts out with an “If”…which means “NOT FACT” so the rest of what you wrote is irrelevant. Secondly, you question (which is not really a question but a statement and judgement made which just happens to end with a question mark, is an accusation….and really, in my mind, it comes across as “guilty before proven innocent”.

    Also, if you’re trying for the “appear to be the bigger person act by simply agreeing with the person you’re talking to” you normally don’t add in “… but not really!”

    §§§§ Nah! You missed the point again! I’ve tried my very best, even when a nubmer of other people on this blog say I’m wasting my time, to answer all your questions but nothing satisfys you, or will, in my view. So, I said that you get to be “right”…but “not really”. Why did I add “not really”…’cause in my view “you’re not really right or correct”! That’s not hard to figure out is it? Sheesh!

    Oh well, I guess you just can’t help yourself. Don’t “keep yourself enslaved to the dark forces” Justin, “Join the human race!”

    §§§§ Nah! You missed the issue completely yet again! Dark Forces “destroy” and take delight in it as if they’re the messenger(s) of the truth! I think you can easily understand that!

    Finally, has there been any more word from your associates contact at the FBI? No wait, let me guess! You have a cousin that has an associate that works at an iHop and they overheard Barry Minkow confess that his report against USANA is really a giant scheme to steal Christmas! Will you be alerting the press, or should I?

    §§§§ Nice try at “humor” but I give it an “F” Minus! However, it does demonstrate the sinister workings of your mind. My sense is that you are a glad and willing participant in “alerting the press” with “allegations, innuendos”, “suspicions”, etc…in other words, anything but the facts.

    §§§§ Signed: “Justin” (aka: NOT and NEVER EVER Cameron). And yes, Justin is my “REAL” name!

  • Jon

    Dear Justin/Cameron, (You’ll see why below)

    Proof about the whole Justin/Cameron thing? Okay, here it is (It can all be found above)

    “#69 — August 2, 2007 @ 23:16PM — Cameron Layce
    I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.

    #71 — August 6, 2007 @ 11:58AM — Rob Last
    Interesting to see your comment:
    “I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.”
    Can you elaborate. What are the charges?
    Both Tracy Coenen and Barry Minkow and some others went very, very quiet recently.
    After all the lies they made up and wrote about Usana, I would not be surprised to hear that they committed serious offences.
    #72 — August 6, 2007 @ 14:23PM — Justin Tyme
    Hi Rob,

    Sorry, no details were told to me. I was simply sent an email from a friend who in turn has a friend who works for the FBI who told him that there’s an ongoing investigation on the parts of the FBI, SEC, IRS, Attorneys General, etc of Mr. Minkow, Ms. Coenon, Mr. Fitzgerald, and quite a few others (along with the organizations they are involved with) who have been making “allegations” about USANA.

    Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!

    Justin”
    My, my, my, that’s “Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!”
    Silly Justin, you can’t ask if “the dog ate my homework” because my post is still there. I don’t believe that your post didn’t go through because there’s no post to be found and even the editor said he hasn’t seen anything you’ve written blocked. My case proves that Christopher Rose is monitoring, so once again I’m going to have to go with what he says. Sorry Justin, that’s just the way it works.

    Of course I started my sentence of with “IF USANA, is…” because they haven’t been found guilty of anything. That’s why I capitalized the “if”, thought you’d appreciate that.

    As for “dark forces loving to destroy things”, you seem to delight in destroying anything which doesn’t outwardly express total adoration to USANA. You’ve questioned Minkow’s report, motivations, religion etc. Why do you feel compelled to “strongly voice your opinion” so?

    Let’s take a trip down memory lane to view another example of your fanatical pro-USANA views. You wrote this to someone who even said that they like USANA, but were merely worried about people who were in it to make money and how they might be hurt by the negative press the company is getting.

    “It seemed to me that you “tried” or “pretended” to sound “sincere and caring” in what you wrote so it came across to me as an attempt to benefit yourself at the expense of USANA Associates by playing on any potential confusion, fear, insecurity, etc they may be experiencing. My feeling is that what is being attempted by Barry Minkow and his minions is threatening ALL network marketing companies so you better be rooting with full force that USANA stays strong and blows the allegations away and once again emerges as the #1 network marketing company and opportunity with the best of the best products. Otherwise, you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot.
    Justin”
    That can be found here
    http://mlmblog.typepad.com/blog/2007/04/i_am_a_fan_of_u.html

    Justin, why so angry? Why do you feel the need to hide from anything which questions your view of USANA? Do you see evil everywhere (Except for where it could possibly be coming from USANA of course)?

    Jon

  • Jon

    Dear Justin/Cameron, (You’ll see why below)

    Proof about the whole Justin/Cameron thing? Okay, here it is (It can all be found above)

    “#69 — August 2, 2007 @ 23:16PM — Cameron Layce
    I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.

    #71 — August 6, 2007 @ 11:58AM — Rob Last
    Interesting to see your comment:
    “I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.”
    Can you elaborate. What are the charges?
    Both Tracy Coenen and Barry Minkow and some others went very, very quiet recently.
    After all the lies they made up and wrote about Usana, I would not be surprised to hear that they committed serious offences.
    #72 — August 6, 2007 @ 14:23PM — Justin Tyme
    Hi Rob,

    Sorry, no details were told to me. I was simply sent an email from a friend who in turn has a friend who works for the FBI who told him that there’s an ongoing investigation on the parts of the FBI, SEC, IRS, Attorneys General, etc of Mr. Minkow, Ms. Coenon, Mr. Fitzgerald, and quite a few others (along with the organizations they are involved with) who have been making “allegations” about USANA.

    Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!

    Justin”

    My, my, my, that’s “Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!”

    Silly Justin, you can’t ask if “the dog ate my homework” because my post is still there. I don’t believe that your post didn’t go through because there’s no post to be found and even the editor said he hasn’t seen anything you’ve written blocked. My case proves that Christopher Rose is monitoring, so once again I’m going to have to go with what he says. Sorry Justin, that’s just the way it works.

    Of course I started my sentence of with “IF USANA, is…” because they haven’t been found guilty of anything. That’s why I capitalized the “if”, thought you’d appreciate that.

    As for “dark forces loving to destroy things”, you seem to delight in destroying anything which doesn’t outwardly express total adoration to USANA. You’ve questioned Minkow’s report, motivations, religion etc. Why do you feel compelled to “strongly voice your opinion” so?

    Let’s take a trip down memory lane to view another example of your fanatical pro-USANA views. You wrote this to someone who even said that they like USANA, but were merely worried about people who were in it to make money and how they might be hurt by the negative press the company is getting.

    “It seemed to me that you “tried” or “pretended” to sound “sincere and caring” in what you wrote so it came across to me as an attempt to benefit yourself at the expense of USANA Associates by playing on any potential confusion, fear, insecurity, etc they may be experiencing. My feeling is that what is being attempted by Barry Minkow and his minions is threatening ALL network marketing companies so you better be rooting with full force that USANA stays strong and blows the allegations away and once again emerges as the #1 network marketing company and opportunity with the best of the best products. Otherwise, you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot.
    Justin”
    That can be found here
    http://mlmblog.typepad.com/blog/2007/04/i_am_a_fan_of_u.html

    Justin, why so angry? Why do you feel the need to hide from anything which questions your view of USANA? Do you see evil everywhere (Except for where it could possibly be coming from USANA of course)?

    Jon

  • Jon

    Dear Justin/Cameron, (You’ll see why below)

    Proof about the whole Justin/Cameron thing? Okay, here it is (It can all be found above)

    “#69 — August 2, 2007 @ 23:16PM — Cameron Layce
    I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.

    #71 — August 6, 2007 @ 11:58AM — Rob Last
    Interesting to see your comment:
    “I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.”
    Can you elaborate. What are the charges?
    Both Tracy Coenen and Barry Minkow and some others went very, very quiet recently.
    After all the lies they made up and wrote about Usana, I would not be surprised to hear that they committed serious offences.
    #72 — August 6, 2007 @ 14:23PM — Justin Tyme
    Hi Rob,

    Sorry, no details were told to me. I was simply sent an email from a friend who in turn has a friend who works for the FBI who told him that there’s an ongoing investigation on the parts of the FBI, SEC, IRS, Attorneys General, etc of Mr. Minkow, Ms. Coenon, Mr. Fitzgerald, and quite a few others (along with the organizations they are involved with) who have been making “allegations” about USANA.

    Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!

    Justin”

    My, my, my, that’s “Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!”

    Silly Justin, you can’t ask if “the dog ate my homework” because my post is still there. I don’t believe that your post didn’t go through because there’s no post to be found and even the editor said he hasn’t seen anything you’ve written blocked. My case proves that Christopher Rose is monitoring, so once again I’m going to have to go with what he says. Sorry Justin, that’s just the way it works.

    Of course I started my sentence of with “IF USANA, is…” because they haven’t been found guilty of anything. That’s why I capitalized the “if”, thought you’d appreciate that.

    As for “dark forces loving to destroy things”, you seem to delight in destroying anything which doesn’t outwardly express total adoration to USANA. You’ve questioned Minkow’s report, motivations, religion etc. Why do you feel compelled to “strongly voice your opinion” so?

    Let’s take a trip down memory lane to view another example of your fanatical pro-USANA views. You wrote this to someone who even said that they like USANA, but were merely worried about people who were in it to make money and how they might be hurt by the negative press the company is getting.

    “It seemed to me that you “tried” or “pretended” to sound “sincere and caring” in what you wrote so it came across to me as an attempt to benefit yourself at the expense of USANA Associates by playing on any potential confusion, fear, insecurity, etc they may be experiencing. My feeling is that what is being attempted by Barry Minkow and his minions is threatening ALL network marketing companies so you better be rooting with full force that USANA stays strong and blows the allegations away and once again emerges as the #1 network marketing company and opportunity with the best of the best products. Otherwise, you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot.
    Justin”
    That can be found here
    http://mlmblog.typepad.com/blog/2007/04/i_am_a_fan_of_u.html

    Justin, why so angry? Why do you feel the need to hide from anything which questions your view of USANA? Do you see evil everywhere (Except for where it could possibly be coming from USANA of course)?

    Jon

  • Jon

    Dear Justin/Cameron, (You’ll see why below)

    Proof about the whole Justin/Cameron thing? Okay, here it is (It can all be found above)

    “#69 — August 2, 2007 @ 23:16PM — Cameron Layce
    I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.

    #71 — August 6, 2007 @ 11:58AM — Rob Last
    Interesting to see your comment:
    “I just heard from an “inside source” who shall remain anonymous that Tracy Coenen, Barry Minkow, some guy named Fitzgerald, and a number of others affiliated with them are under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and FTC.”
    Can you elaborate. What are the charges?
    Both Tracy Coenen and Barry Minkow and some others went very, very quiet recently.
    After all the lies they made up and wrote about Usana, I would not be surprised to hear that they committed serious offences.

    #72 — August 6, 2007 @ 14:23PM — Justin Tyme
    Hi Rob,

    Sorry, no details were told to me. I was simply sent an email from a friend who in turn has a friend who works for the FBI who told him that there’s an ongoing investigation on the parts of the FBI, SEC, IRS, Attorneys General, etc of Mr. Minkow, Ms. Coenon, Mr. Fitzgerald, and quite a few others (along with the organizations they are involved with) who have been making “allegations” about USANA.

    Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!

    Justin”

    My, my, my, that’s “Kinda interesting, don’t ya think!”

    Silly Justin, you can’t ask if “the dog ate my homework” because my post is still there. I don’t believe that your post didn’t go through because there’s no post to be found and even the editor said he hasn’t seen anything you’ve written blocked. My case proves that Christopher Rose is monitoring, so once again I’m going to have to go with what he says. Sorry Justin, that’s just the way it works.

    Of course I started my sentence of with “IF USANA, is…” because they haven’t been found guilty of anything. That’s why I capitalized the “if”, thought you’d appreciate that.

    As for “dark forces loving to destroy things”, you seem to delight in destroying anything which doesn’t outwardly express total adoration to USANA. You’ve questioned Minkow’s report, motivations, religion etc. Why do you feel compelled to “strongly voice your opinion” so?

    Let’s take a trip down memory lane to view another example of your fanatical pro-USANA views. You wrote this to someone who even said that they like USANA, but were merely worried about people who were in it to make money and how they might be hurt by the negative press the company is getting.

    “It seemed to me that you “tried” or “pretended” to sound “sincere and caring” in what you wrote so it came across to me as an attempt to benefit yourself at the expense of USANA Associates by playing on any potential confusion, fear, insecurity, etc they may be experiencing. My feeling is that what is being attempted by Barry Minkow and his minions is threatening ALL network marketing companies so you better be rooting with full force that USANA stays strong and blows the allegations away and once again emerges as the #1 network marketing company and opportunity with the best of the best products. Otherwise, you’ll be shooting yourself in the foot.
    Justin”
    That can be found here
    http://mlmblog.typepad.com/blog/2007/04/i_am_a_fan_of_u.html

    Justin, why so angry? Why do you feel the need to hide from anything which questions your view of USANA? Do you see evil everywhere (Except for where it could possibly be coming from USANA of course)?

    Jon

  • Jon

    Justin,

    In all seriousness don’t you think that the weight of evidence might indicate that something is going wrong with USANA and they MIGHT be engaged in something which isn’t on the “up and up.” It’s clear that you feel very strongly about this company and are fully in their corner, but what about the people they’re harming if they are committing fraud? Don’t you think they have the right to know? This wouldn’t be a situation where they’re playing “Robing Hood” by robbing from the rich to give to the poor. The people who sign up to be distributors are most likely not very wealthy to begin with, but are instead looking for an opportunity to improve their lives. If USANA is running a pyramid scheme then they’re taking advantage of these people and getting rich in the process. Myron Wentz might never have received a salary for his time working with USANA, but his stock options are enough to see to it that he doesn’t have to worry about money ever again. The day prior to Minkow’s report being released he sold enough shares to net 5 million dollars. Building something which is meaningful is a noble pursuit, but not when it’s built by taking advantage of unsuspecting people who are trying for a better life.

    Jon

  • Jon

    Before you comment, I’ll openly admit that the word “evidence” is a poor choice of words considering our previous conversations. Instead lets just say that the number of controversies that have arisen recently might indicate that all might not be as it appears at USANA.

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Jon,

    For what it’s worth “again”, I an NOT Cameron or anyone else. I can’t account for the posts you posted as so-called “proof” that I am Cameron or posted under that name. I didn’t and either you’ll believe me or not. I don’t give a rat’s a** what you believe.

    In summary, if you knew what I know about USANA and the people who manage it, you wouldn’t say, let alone spout off, 99% of the things you have been. And “NO”, I’m not going to go into detail, get all caught up in tit for tat exchanges with you.

    All your “stuff” is merely opinion, guess work, false logic, ill will, and innuendo. You do not know what you’re talking about and, in my view, have no genuine desire to find out what is true!

    Why you worship Barry Minkow and his minions is beyond me! And thank goodness I don’t resonate with your life-negativity…even though you try to clothe it in “caring” who’ve gotten involved with USANA.

    You really do need to open your heart and take off the blinders!

    I know! I know! Now you’ll attack me yet once again with all kinds of things, put downs, allegations, misstatements, projections, etc etc etc ad nauseum. Let it go, dude! Take some “Centrum” and get over it!

    Give Jon Fitzpatrick and Tracey Coenon a hug when you see them!

    Justin

  • Justin Tyme

    Ooops! I meant to type Jon Taylor and Robert Fitzpatrick!

    Justin

  • Jon

    Justin/Cameron,

    I don’t need to “open my heart” and “take off the blinders” because I don’t pretend to know either way about this issue, unlike your. Most of what I’ve written is just to parody you because you are totally unable to take into consideration anything anyone says which you don’t like.

    If I wasn’t interested in finding out what the truth was, I never would have asked you a simple question in the first place. Remember, the one which you repeatedly ignored? Don’t worry about it though; I don’t care to try to get you to answer it anymore.

    As for Barry Minkow, I don’t see how you could come to the conclusion that I worship him and his “minions” simply by stating that there are plenty of reasons to be cautious about what is going on with USANA. I merely accept the fact that he’s not the devil incarnate and Myron Wentz is not the second coming of Christ. This is not to say he, Barry Minkow, is right, but you don’t find the “truth” by taking a “holier than thou” attitude with whoever asks you to re-evaluate your opinions even though this seems to be your preferred method Justin/Cameron.

    All my “stuff” might be “merely opinion, guess work, false logic, ill will, and innuendo” but at least I’m open for discussion and I don’t immediately dismiss something which goes against what I want to believe, something you should really look at working on with your own “stuff”*.

    You seriously need to get off your own high horse and accept that you’re word is not law and you can’t possibly know all the ins and outs of this issue.

    Please remember to tell Myron Wentz to take his vitamins next time you see him in whatever tax haven country he now has citizenship. He’s been looking a little rough since that 4th distributor lawsuit was launched. Oh, and how could I forget to say
    “Wake up dude! Join the Human Race!”

    Jon

    * Your stuff also includes “lies”

  • Justin Tyme

    Jon, Dear Jon, oh my Dear Jon…

    How you go on and on stating things that aren’t true. I answered your question about the number of people at that gathering and you just wouldn’t accept that that was my tally, accusing me of lying! Then you’ve never believed me when I said I am not Cameron…and yet you say you’re “open”? Not true! And then you say that Dr. Wentz has “…been looking a little rough since that 4th distributor lawsuit was launched”. Have you met with him before and during these pipsqueak welfare mentality, victim-hood, give-me-a-free-hand-out baseless lawsuits so you could see how he looks? He looked great to me the several times I saw him a couple of weeks ago!

    It is cleary obvious to me that you don’t read my posts closely or you couldn’t possibly say most of the things you do! I think you read them only to find something to take out of context, debate, etc. You aren’t interested at all in finding out the truth, in my view or you’d be asking “serious and genuine” questions as opposed to attacking the messenger (namely me in this case).

    You end your post with, “* Your stuff also includes “lies”. Again, what can I tell you that I haven’t already! I’m NOT lying about anything! Will you believe me? I’m quite certain you won’t! And my guess is that the reason you won’t (and can’t allow yourself) believe me is that you’d have to give up being “right” and that is simply something most folks (unfortunately) cannot even bare the thought of having happen…especially not ushering it in “voluntarily”. Nevertheless, I encourage you to try it. You might like it!

    And why do you mention the “Devil Incarnate” in reference to Barry Minkow and the “Second Coming of Christ” in reference to Dr. Wentz?

    No one posting here mentioned that, from what I recall. And I sure didn’t! I believe Mr. Minkow has one heck of an axe to grind and a maliciousness driving him to tear down USANA while at the same time drawing attention to himself. And I see Dr. Wentz doing the opposite. Building up people’s well-being around the world and NOT drawing attention to himself.

    Furthermore, by implying that Dr. Wentz is up to something “sinister” by having an off shore account and not being a US Citizen, well…let’s just say I’ve answered that. And if you knew what I knew, you’d also kow that that stuff means nothing! Did you know that he’s taxed way more heavily on his home in Europe than he would be in the U.S,?

    By the way, what’s IS your last name Jon? Care to share it with those of us posting and lurking here? I do hope you’ll tell us your “real” last name! If you refuse to tell us, let us know why…or we’ll most likely assume you’ve something to hide! Come out, come out, where ever you are!

    Justin (and still not, and never was, and never will be) Cameron or anyone else! Believe it of not! Your choice…..as always!

  • Jon

    Dearest Justin/Cameron/et al.

    I wouldn’t accept your tally? That’s an out right lie Justin/Cameron (but I’m used to it considering the source). How could I not accept what you repeatedly avoided offering? You’ve got a bit of paradox there champ. That was the first “serious question” I asked you and you choose to ignore it, so who’s the one that’s really hiding from the truth?

    As for my name, it’s just Jon, like “Prince”. My mothers a huge Prince fan. I know it sounds weird, but of all people I’m sure you know how crazy mothers can be, right Jigoku Ike?

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Jon,

    I recognize a lost cause when I see one. I gave you several chances to honestly inquire and you refused them all, preferring to contiue affirming your prevailing assumptions.

    My heart goes out to you!

    Justin (and still not Cameron or anyone else)

    P.S. Watch my next post and you’ll see how easy it is to think/assume/be convinced someone can post under another name!

  • Jon

    Dear Justin,

    I’m so sorry I ever accused you of not directly answer my question about the number of people who attended that meeting. I can easily see now how confusing it might be. Please forgive me for badgering you so much.

    Also, please forgive me for insinuating that you posted under a different name. I now realize that you’ve always only posted here using the name Justin Tyme.

    All my best,
    Jon

    P.S. See how easy it is to post “as if” you are someone else and then be attacked again “as if” it were true, Jon?

    [In the hope of moving this extremely fascinating debate along, as the Comments Editor for this site I can confirm that Justin has not, this one time excluded for obvious reasons, used another name to post his remarks. Thanks. Christopher Rose, Blogcritics Comments Editor]

  • http://www.robot-of-the-week.com Christopher Rose

    Jon, as you seem determined to ignore what i’m telling you, try ignoring this: I am deleting any comments in which you refer to Mr Tyme as Cameron.

  • Jon

    Christopher,

    Fine, but I would expect the same courtesy when he accuses me of suffering from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder for merely pointing out that he has routinely avoided answering direct questions. Or if he makes any further attacks on my character for that matter. I was willing to play nice originally, and if he can contain himself, I’ll play nice again.

    Anyway, Justin, lets talk openly and honestly about your “tally”, why have you never given me a DIRECT ANSWER about what it could possibly be besides asserting (on at least two occasions) that it’s higher than what T came up with. If it’s higher “in EVERY category” simply tell me how much higher and where you got your information from. Just a couple of numbers and a source.

    Jon

  • http://www.robot-of-the-week.com Christopher Rose

    There you go, Justin, some basic sanity and civility is restored. Now let’s try and move this fascinating conversation along. Please! I actually have to read all this you know…

  • http://www.marketwaveinc.com/articles/YouTubeResponse.pdf Justin Tyme (for real) :-))

    Jon,

    Attached is a recent (as of today, September 12, ’07) URL link to a “Response to YouTube Videos” and “Other Peripheral FDI Reports” – by Len Clements © 2007

    I wholeheartedly suggest that especially you (Jon) read this and all the other rebuttals written by Len Clements to the arguements, allegations, innuendos, assertions, etc made by Mr. Barry Minkow, Jon Taylor, Tracy Coenon, Don Bauder, et al very closely and thoroughly.

    In the spirit of fostering clarity of understanding!

    Justin

  • Jon

    Justin,

    I assure you that I will watch the Len Clements video (I’ve already read through much of what he’s said). However, please for the sake of an honest and truthful inquiry answer me about how exactly your count is higher than that arrived at by the previous poster and where on the web-site you found this information.

    JOn

  • Justin Tyme

    Jon,

    I heartfelty request that you give up revisiting the past irrelevant issue again and again and again ad naueum “as if” whatever the count is would make a friggin’ difference.

    Tell me, what difference would or could it possible make whether you and I agreed on a specific number of not….no matter what that number is?

    As I’ve pointed out, and you agreed with, there is no way to ascertain how many people were actually there nor who attended. So why the obsession with this thing?

    Whatever “peace” you imagine would await you if we hashed this thing out to the point of you’re being “satisfied” is available to you NOW simply by letting go of this trivial, meaningless, futile pursuit! I honestly recommend you take advantage of this opportunity, your innate ability to transform the quality of your life at any and all moments under any and all conditions!

    Justin

  • Jon

    Justin,

    Its pretty simple really, you say you want me to be open and honest to inquiry and in order to do that, I need to question people. I didn’t trust the original posters argument initially, but upon reviewd found their figures to be correct. However, you declared you have a different account of how many people have attended and have stated that on more than one occasion. I want you to show me how your count differs. What’s the harm in demonstrating your research?

    Let me put it this way, Gil Fuller stated that only something to the affect of 12% of people sign up to distribute USANA’s products for financial gain. If Minkow were to come out and say “I’ve found that the number of people who sign up for financial gain to be MUCH higher!” You’d want to see where he’s getting these numbers from.

    If it’s such an insignificant issue for you, then why continue to withold from me how your count is different and where you got the information from? After you answer this question (a number and a verifiable source) we can happily move on. I’m certain Christopher would appreciate it.

    Jon

  • Justin Tyme

    Jon,

    This is the “last and final” time I’m going to address this matter. You remind me of whiny little bratty kids who pester their parents and others to death ’til they give in. They’re referred to a “King Babies” and you are personifying that on this list.

    I don’t remember “my” count. I don’t care what it is. I’m NOT going to go back and count people again. It doesn’t mean anything to me nor is it relevant to anything except someone who is “obsessive/compulsive” and delights in wallowing in irrelevant issues that make no positive difference at all to the health and well-being of human beings…and indeed, all life on this beautiful, precious, ONLY, and endangered earth.

    So, let’s chalk it up (yet once again) to you being “right” at the expense of being “happy” and wholesomely contributory on this blog.

    Oh, by the way, I’m not surprised at all that you failed to mention that it was “clearly revealed” by the moderator that I (Justin) did NOT post as Cameron, etc. I find myself wondering how you felt when that came to light! Were you happy? Saddened? Shocked? Felt “wrong” and were upset as a result? Spare me of your reactive responses and justifications…they’re all trite and boring to me and of little or no significance! However, I’m sure you’ll do so anyway…so knock yourself out. You have an audience of one (yourself) reading them!

    See additional comments of mine below “inside” your post preceded by §§§§ if you care to read them! —- Justin
    *****************
    Jon wrote….

    Justin,

    Jon says: Its pretty simple really, you say you want me to be open and honest to inquiry and in order to do that, I need to question people.

    §§§§ Jon! Personally speaking, I “do NOT want” you to do anything. It was a simple “invitation”. You’re going to do whatever you do. I have NO attachment to your behavior…not control over it, not any real influence.

    Jon says: I didn’t trust the original posters argument initially, but upon reviewd found their figures to be correct.

    §§§§ You appear to have a great deal of “trust” issues.

    Jon says: However, you declared you have a different account of how many people have attended and have stated that on more than one occasion. I want you to show me how your count differs. What’s the harm in demonstrating your research?

    §§§§ No harm at all. Also, no good or difference either, except to you and to your way of thinking. I’ve already covered this matter half a dozen or more times. Poop or get off the pot with it!

    Jon says: Let me put it this way, Gil Fuller stated that only something to the affect of 12% of people sign up to distribute USANA’s products for financial gain. If Minkow were to come out and say “I’ve found that the number of people who sign up for financial gain to be MUCH higher!” You’d want to see where he’s getting these numbers from.

    §§§§ Nope! Wrong again! It wouldn’t interest me at all because it’s an arguement that cannot be won…just like the one that’s been going on between us…which is NOW OVER!

    Jon says: If it’s such an insignificant issue for you, then why continue to withold from me how your count is different and where you got the information from? After you answer this question (a number and a verifiable source) we can happily move on. I’m certain Christopher would appreciate it.

    §§§§ Nice try! I can see how you’re tried to “perfect the fine art of badgering people” with irrelevancies, distraction, deflection, etc. Now I guess that all that’s come to an end…at least with me, you’ll have to find someone else or resort to playing with yourself. I’m sure you’ll find either quite comforting…not worth much…but nonetheless comforting.

    Sayonara to Kiyotsukite!
    Justin

  • Jon

    My Dear Sweet Justin,

    Your loss of temper and venomous comments demonstrates that you lack of a level head or a sense of fairness when it comes to discussing USANA. You’ve never covered this matter because you’ve never provided a clear answer and continue to avoid doing so until this day. I stated my results openly and contributed links to where the information could be found so that anyone could check what I stated, you have not nor have you ever. This issue must be relevant to you because you took the time to look into it in the first place. How could this really be about me being “right” when someone else came up with the facts/figures and idea we’re debating over? The fact is this isn’t about me being “right” it’s about your inability to admit you either made a mistake, or out-right lied in the first place” This is the only option left to us since you refuse to discuss the matter openly and honestly.

    How did I feel when it was revealed you did not post under the name Cameron Layce? To be honest with you Justin I didn’t feel much different at all. Why? Because you still responded to questions “directed” at Cameron and in regards to what he/she said “specifically” in his/her post. You may not have posted as Cameron, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t pretend to be him/her. It’s kind of funny that you’d respond to questions for other people, but refuse to answer your own.

    In regards to your OPINION that I use “irrelevancies, distraction and deflection etc” I just have to laugh. If the issue was irrelevant, you never would have posted a reply to T in the first place and as for “distraction” and “deflection” you’re the one who writes epic speeches to avoid writing two-line direct answer. Remember your random outburst about Myron Wentz that had nothing to do with anything?

    I looked into Len Clements, but I have to say I’m not too impressed. He suffers from the same flaws in logic as Barry Minkow. Both of them use “A” and “C” and then theorize about “B” way too often for my liking. The only difference between the two is that Len Clements is standing all by his lonesome on this issue while sources I trust (Forbes, Wall Street Journal, National Business Review) say that Barry has some good points. That and the fact there’s no way Barry could avoid jail time if he screws this up, so why would he bother lyring? Your OPINIONS on Minkow aren’t ones I’d subscribe to, nor your OPINIONS on Wentz. He did do a nice little job promoting himself with that Albert Einstein award though, didn’t he? He sure did grab himself a lot of attention in the media, but we all know how I feel about that.

    This will probably be my last post (at least for a while), but just to give you something to think about aside from avoiding answering this question you’ve never have explained/commented on

    -Why you responded to questions that weren’t directed at you
    -Why Myron Wentz renounced his US citizenship
    -Why Barry Minkow has an axe to grind with USANA
    -Why you said Minkow shouldn’t have gone to the FBI even if he was right (think about the distributors being lied to)

    Before I go I should probably mention that I noticed you posted a response to Don Bauder under the name “Jason Williams.” (So much for Justin Tyme being your only handle). Out of curiosity, did you feel the need to change your name because I was searching you out in other blogs and posting your comments here? Silly Justin, tricks are for kids.

    Good-bye and I’ll be sure to watch out (for over-priced vitamins and failing pyramids schemes)

    Yours Truly,
    Jon

    P.S. Helen Malmgren did a 6 article feature on USANA in the National Business Review, you should check it out!

  • Steve

    What a waste of blog space! Engaging in childish rank-out exchanges over such near-irrelevant nonsense as Barry Minkow, pyramid schemes and how many attended an awards ceremony. Imagine those in restricted societies, those who don’t dare open their mouths or set pen to paper, those without any forum for free expression, what would they think if they knew that an open uncensored space like this was being suffocated by such meaningless absurd discourse. Think about it !

  • http://www.marketwaveinc.com Justin Tyme

    Go to the URL accompanying this post and click on “Rebuttals” on the left side of the page and read closely to see what’s really going on in regards to the “attack” on USANA in particular and MLM/Network Marketing in general.

    Justin

  • Klaus Fix

    This is an excellent article on Barry Minkow. He is probably desperate for money but also glory and fame.

    I wonder why so much of his website is focused on USANA? He claims that he was paid to investigate USANA, but refuses to name his client. We all know that Network Marketing (MLM) still has the perception from some people of being an “illegal” pyramid scheme. The government has accepted this form of free enterprise as a legitimate trade practice. It is now taught at some universities, such as the University of Illinois, by Professor Charles King and Tim Sales. Because it’s misunderstood, it’s feared. This was the case with franchising in the 1960’s and almost illegalized.

    Why did Minkow choose USANA? He could have aimed at any other company with similar compensation plans, lesser reputation and/or questionable business practices. USANA has accolades and third party references coming out of their ying yang! It leads one to believe that there is some sort of hidden agenda. Could it be a competitor that was tired of seeing USANA’s 18 straight quarters of higher then expected growth, a person who wanted to see USANA’s stock drop, so they could buy low and reap the benefits of a USANA rebound, a lazy past associate who was upset that the pennies were not falling from heaven after their sign up or disgruntled ex-employee….who knows?

    But by all accounts Minkow’s ship is starting to smell more and more like a #$%^house door on a tuna boat. And the interested writers are starting to tire of the recycled “crap” he is feeding them.

    All aboard or abandoned ship? You decide.

  • Klaus Fix

    This is an excellent article on Barry Minkow. He is probably desperate for money but also glory and fame.

    I wonder why so much of his website is focused on USANA? He claims that he was paid to investigate USANA, but refuses to name his client. We all know that Network Marketing (MLM) still has the perception from some people of being an “illegal” pyramid scheme. The government has accepted this form of free enterprise as a legitimate trade practice. It is now taught at some universities, such as the University of Illinois, by Professor Charles King and Tim Sales. Because it’s misunderstood, it’s feared. This was the case with franchising in the 1960’s and almost illegalized.

    Why did Minkow choose USANA? He could have aimed at any other company with similar compensation plans, lesser reputation and/or questionable business practices. USANA has accolades and third party references coming out of their ying yang! It leads one to believe that there is some sort of hidden agenda. Could it be a competitor that was tired of seeing USANA’s 18 straight quarters of higher then expected growth, a person who wanted to see USANA’s stock drop, so they could buy low and reap the benefits of a USANA rebound, a lazy past associate who was upset that the pennies were not falling from heaven after their sign up or disgruntled ex-employee….who knows?

    But by all accounts Minkow’s ship is starting to smell more and more like a #$%^house door on a tuna boat. And the interested writers are starting to tire of the recycled “crap” he is feeding them.

    All aboard or abandoned ship? You decide.

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Klaus,

    Actually, USANA has had 20 consecutive quarters of record breaking earnings. That’s 5 straight years! Amazing! Especially considering that after Barry Minkow fired his rockets, along with his copy catters, USANA had their best quarter ever.

    Currently, from what I understand, a deposition has been filed that “forces” Mr. Minkow to reveal who “hired him” and “who paid him” to write the stuff he did. The results, according to Len Clements, should be revealed in a “few days”. Personally speaking, I can’t wait!

    My best guess is that Mr. Minkow – along with strong support by Tracy Coenon, Jon Taylor, Mr. Fitzpatrick, et al wanted to target USANA because of it’s exceptional success. Who better to attack and as a result get extreme attention? Also, what better target to attack, given it’s super stock performance, in a way that “guarantees” that the stock goes down, especially when you have “puts” on it which will result in Mr. Minkow, and who knows how many others of his ilk, will benefit financially to the extreme. Remember, Mr. Minkow owes millions of dollars due to his past folly. I’ve also heard were his “church” in San Diego is in (or recently was in) financial trouble…which, if true, is another “motive” for Mr. Minkow, et al to place puts on USANA stock, etc.

    As I’ve mentioned a number of times, it is so very very easy to “destroy” or “attack” something with “allegations, innuendos, suppositions, theories, guesses, etc”…all with ill will and life-negative energy….and “profit” from it.

    However, it is extremely difficult to build and maintain something, such as Dr. Wentz has, that’s helping (and has helped) hundreds of thousands (and ever increasing) number of people improve the quality of their lives and health.

    My wife is alive, thanks to Dr. Wentz. She was on her death bed dying from Lupus and now she’s healthier than ever without the need to take any prescription medications whatsoever. And I know of dozens of others who can say the same!

    I could go on and go but I think the point has been made!

    Justin Tyme

  • Klaus Fix

    Hey Justin, I too am a prosumer of USANA. It seems that I have gotten under the skin of Tracy Coenen’s blog at Sequence Inc. She will not accept my counter balance replies to the anti USANA rhetoric(quite a compliment actually). I’ve managed to get a few in before I was cut off.

    My daughter was battling multiple viruses and almost lost her vision early this year. I credit the USANIMALS and Proflavanol for her ultimate recovery and of course the intense love and support of my wife and I, family and friends.

    So encourage your friends to help counter this negative anti-USANA campaign!

    Here is the blog that I was attempting to counter. How desperate is an auditing firm for clients when it proudly takes on a client like Usana Health Sciences???

    SALT LAKE CITY-(BUSINESS WIRE)-USANA Health Sciences Inc. (NASDAQ:USNA – News) announced today that it has appointed PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP (PwC) as the Company’s new independent registered public accounting firm.

    “We are pleased to engage PwC, a global leader in the accounting profession, as our independent auditors,” said Ronald S. Poelman, chairperson of the USANA audit committee. “The audit committee had the opportunity to review proposals from several top accounting firms, and we greatly appreciate the efforts of those firms. Ultimately, we chose to engage with PwC both because of their expertise and their global resources. PwC is an ideal match for USANA, given the Company’s sustained record of growth in 13 international markets.”

    “PwC has a history of bringing top-notch talent and professionalism to each of its assignments, and we look forward to working with their team,” said Gilbert A. Fuller, USANA’s executive vice president and chief financial officer. “We are pleased to be in a position to appoint an independent auditor befitting our status as a global leader in the manufacturing and marketing of high-quality nutritional supplements.”

    PricewaterhouseCoopers is expected to immediately begin reviewing the Company’s financial results filed in USANA’s Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2007. Once these results have been reviewed, USANA expects to file an amended Form 10-Q with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

    The Company will also file a Form 8-K containing additional information on the engagement of PwC.

    Note to PwC: You could still get out of this with your dignity and reputation intact. Drop Usana as fast as you can and start apologizing for your blunder. The sooner, the better.

    Comments
    4 Responses to “PricewaterhouseCoopers apparently desperate for clients”

    john doe on September 5th, 2007 5:10 pm Tracy, remember what the P in PWC stands for. This could not have come cheap for Usana

    Tracy on September 5th, 2007 5:19 pm You mean it’s one more way that Usana management is spending shareholder money???

    Klaus Fix on September 15th, 2007 2:39 pm There is so much hate here for USANA, it’s almost a joke! I truly believe in the “SECRET”. I know without a doubt, that USANA will be redeemed. For all this trash talk against a well meaning company and people, such as Dennis Waitley, Ladd MacNamara (who was an MD and still has knowledge about medicine and health care) and many other people in USANA. USANA has been a very respected company with 15 years of nothing but accolades, no complaints from any BBB Branches. I believe that what goes around, comes around and who is behind this investigation of USANA will be exposed and deeply embarrassed..

    I know that USANA will have its redemption from all this “crap” and innuendo once Minkow is finished in court and USANA lets it’s investors know that it will bounce back from all this “crap”. Then USANA and it’s investigators will find out who paid Minkow to start all this “crap”, because he could have gone after any other nutritional supplement MLM/NWM company and it would of been the same old “crap”. Minkow still hasn’t revealed who paid him to look into USANA. Maybe a pharmaceutical company, a competitor, or maybe a previous lazy associate who thought that the pennies would start falling from heaven…. who knows!

    Christiane Northrup, MD is also a USANA Associate and may I say very respected in the Medical Community and in general. She appears regularly on public TV and talk shows. She knows how good USANA and their products are.

    Ms. Bernice King, daughter of the late Martin Luther King, says this about Dr. Wentz, founder and CEO of USANA; “I have finally met someone whom I think has the key to true health and wellness,” said King. “A phenomenal man, Dr. Myron Wentz of USANA Health Sciences brings us a holistic approach to provide the most comprehensive nutritional products available.”

    Tracy, if you went to the USANA head offices and sat down with Dr. Wentz and Dave Wentz, you might just get a different picture of these men and the company, instead of listening to third party innuendo. Dr. Northrup and Ms. King did.

    By the way, Dr. Wentz just received the Albert Einstein Award for his contribution to world health. So much for the so-called demise of USANA.

    Jon on September 18th, 2007 9:49 am The Albert Einstein Award is “crap”. Look into it before assuming it validates USANA. Below is info posted by another and additional comments from myself.

    “The GCA holds seminars to connect over seas business to those in Isreal and charges for attendance. People pay $18,500 to attend this seminar and while there’s suppossed to be 50 spots open, only 17 people attended this year (Excluding the 4 Chairs from the GCA). Of those 17 who attended 9 got awards. Looks to me like this is the sort of recognition you can buy. Previous years have had as many as 23 winners, so I sincerely question the worth of the GCA’s awards. Looks more like a (or should I say $18,500) publicity stunt. If this is such a big deal, why such low attendance?”

    Of those who didn’t win award this year several are winners from previous years (maybe all, I didn’t check through everything). Also, out of the 17 who attended 6 of them were Special Guests leaving with you a remainder of only 11 regular Attendees. At best they had 21 spots full out of a possible 50, at worst only 11 spots (Depending if they count Chairs/Special Guests in their 50 openings). If anyone has a different account, post the link and exact number. Your opinion could be that they didn’t list all attendees, but why would they want their attendence to appear smaller? Or, why would people not want their name associated with this event? I’d say USANA/Wentz opened their wallets for some quick good press.

    Jon

    Justin, This was the reply I attempted to insert. It’s not going to be accepted. No freedom of speech at Tracy’s blog.

    Nice try Jon (Jon who?), you’re cherry picking….. Now I am sure that the family of Albert Einstein would not appreciate you calling an award named after him “%$#@”. I’m also certain the family of Albert Einstein looked very hard at what credentials are needed to win an award named after a very respected figure in US and World history. Now let’s see you call this 3rd party endorsment “crap”:

    1) Christiane Northrup MD chose to be an independent USANA associate.
    2) Bernice King, Daughter of the late Martin Luther King Jr., endorses USANA.
    3) US and Canada Olympic Speedskating Teams.
    4) Sony Erricson Woman’s Professional Tennis.
    5) Utah Best of State for Personal Care, Nutritional Supplements (over 100 such companies in the state of Utah alone) Mormon’s love companies that promote health and well-being as it matches their values. They give tax incentives to such companies.
    6) 3 years in a row in Forbes best small caps.
    7) 2 years in a row for Business Week.
    8) SportMedBC, (voice of Amateur and professional athletes in the Province of British Columbia, Canada) chose USANA as a partner.
    9)GMP Pharmaceutical . Grade Allowing one of the very few nutritional supplement manufacturers to be listed in the Physician’s Desk Reference (US), Pharmaceutical Compendium (Canada) and NIMS (Aust/Asia).
    10)No Major complaints about USANA in 15 years of business with any BBB branch (US/Canada)that was not resolved.

    Bottom line: Like any business, treat it like a hobby it’ll pay you like a hobby. Treat it and work it like a serious business it’ll pay you like a business. What you put it, you’ll get out of it. Just like any business! You also get to consume the best nutritional supplements in its class.

    Barry and Tracy still have not revealed who initiated this witch hunt on USANA. After Minkow is finished with his law suit by USANA, he’ll owe even more then the $26 million plus he has ripped off from honest hard working people. This unknown person better have some very deep pockets to bail Barry and his ship-mates out of a fast sinking ship. You just don’t pick fights with a good guy, ’cause the good guys usually always win in the end.

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Klaus,

    As much as I appreciate your accurate and timely input about USANA, etc….I’m afraid it’s falling on “deaf ears” when it comes to the likes of Jon (who has no last name, apparently), Tracy Coenon, Mr. Fitzpatrick, and heaven knows whom else. They’ve already made their mind up thereby vividly demonstrating the heights of arrogance and one of the lowliest traits of a human being. They actively search for anything at all which they can portray “out of context” and bathe in “innuendos, suggestions, negative associations, etc”. They do not stand for the truth and facts…nor do they actively look for it. Again, it’s so easy to destroy what’s “good” but would it ever occur to them to build what’s “good”. Nah! I don’t think so because it requires hard persistent work and the help of like minded people. As my grandfather used to say, “One bad apple spoils the barrel full.” Looks like Mr Jon, Mr. Minkow, Ms Coenon, Mr. Fitzpatrick, and others of their ilk are “bad apples”. Sometimes I pause to wonder that if their health were to decline (and I am NOT wishing this on them), would they resort to taking the USANA nutritionals? Or would they take a cheap over the counter product?

    Justin

  • Klaus Fix

    Well I figured out who Jon is. It’s Tracy Coenen’s “Male Alter Ego”. You see, she responded to my list of 10 posted on this website on her own website. But I couldnt post it and it doesn’t show up. So it looks like Jon responded to a ghost! There are only 2 items that I bring up on her blog, but jon responds back to back to 10! Kinda funny huh.

    A blog schitzo…what a novelty. I hope all of Tracy’s blog family is happy.

    You know…once USANA is cleared of all these visious rumours and innuendos, I can’t wait to see how the cockroaches and rats that created this mess run for cover when they are exposed to the light of truth.

    It’s starting to happen. People are moving back to USANA. It was at a low of $28 and it’s over $40 now. It is my feeling that it will get back over $60, but I hope only honest stakehoders and investors will benefit from this.

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Klaus,

    Jon’s been quiet, which is unusual. Wonder what’s up? Is he gearing up for another barrage or irrelevancies; gathering with those of kindred spirit to revamp their next onslaught of innuendos, allegations, deflection, etc? Oughta be interesting. Again, I wonder if Jon, Trace, Barry, et al were to ever become sick, would they take the USANA products or Centrum? I wonder what they would give to their children? Gummy Bears that had “lead” in them, or the USANA products guaranteed to be free of all contaminants and substances banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Would they dare risk their own, as well as their loves ones’ health to the lowest bidder! I hope they decide to get off their “righeous judgement” seat and opt for the best!

    Justin

  • Klaus

    I noticed something else. Barry’s got some kind of obsessive-compulsive behaviour. On his home page, it’s almost all dedicated to USANA! And that’s not all, look at his News Page, all articles and videos are USANA! That is a very strange don’t you think. Could it be a sign of desperation perhaps, or maybe a lack of clients? This must be a very big payoff for Barry if this is all he’s got. At least Tracy’s has other issues on her sight.

    Another thing Tracy Coenen (or Jon) and Barry Minkow talk allot about is the Health Pack 100. Well I know that it is a very popular item with USANA Associates and PC’s, but it is not even close to being the “Top Seller”. It’s still the Essentials! And at $39 US it will give one all the “Optimal” essential nutrients you need to supplement your diet. So, with the focus on the Health Pack 100, it skews the reports as to how much an Associate and PC purchases for consumption. I have always used the Essentials and so has my wife. My kids use the Usanimals; we also have Nutrimeal for breakfast with some fruit. We use Sense for personal care and all this for the price of 2 Health Pack 100.

    So you see, USANA is more then just the Health Pack 100 as Barry, Tracy et all would have their listeners believe.

    Have you noticed that USANA has primarily just ignored Barry, Tracy and the rest of these nay Sayers and just focused on taking care of business. Business continues to grow and USANA stock is rebounding. I have talked to many Associates in Canada and US, at first it was a concern, but quickly passed. Why? Because a great company, its associates and customers know who they are and what they stand for. If you have integrity and care about your people, you have nothing to fear.

    You see Barry, Tracy et all tried to create fear (False Evidence Appearing Real) in the investors and stakeholders with USANA. But the law of the universe will correct this misdeed. I know it, and so do those who have the knowledge about USANA Health Sciences.

    So in closing, I think I will close this negative chapter with Tracy along with her schizophrenic blog family, Barry and the bandits and move on to more important things, like taking care of my family and making my part of the world a healthier and happier place to live.

    Chao

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Klaus and other interested and non-interested others!

    It always pays to take the “High Road”….as USANA has wisely chosen to do from the very start and is wholeheartedly dedicated to doing so continually!

    Justin

  • Justin Tyme

    Looks like no one is posting anymore! Has this blog come to an end? Anyone there? What happened to Jon [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

    Justin

  • Klaus

    Hey Justin,

    Start going after the Minkow FDI – You Tube Videos. What a joke they are. I’ve been posting rebuttals, but you have to keep it to 500 characters or less. If neccessary, post back to back to make your point.

    Klaus

  • http://www.geocities.com/terminatedramp/ Myron Bentz

    Go to the URL accompanying this post to see what’s really going on with USANA. Actual info, not just mindless chatter!

    Go ahead and cry over your pyramid scheme losers!

  • Rob Last

    I like Paotie’s article “Barry Minkow and The White Don King”. It’s turning to be quite prophetic. The following has been posted elsewhere and is very interesting. Read on.

    The court proceedings have hardly started but Barry Minkow, convicted fraud felon, has already managed to get himself in trouble during his latest encounter with the legal system.
    Barry has just been ordered to pay $$$ THOUSANDS to repay ALL the fees and costs incurred by the Usana legal council in the prosecution of the motion to compel. The detailed statement of costs is available to view in the court records.
    Not only Usana was recently awarded expedited discovery in spite of all of Minkow’s attempts to avoid it, in the short period of a few weeks Minkow managed to get himself sanctioned http://www.marketwaveinc.com/articles/usana/MinkowSanctioned.pdf for UNRESPONSIVE, EVASIVE RESPONSES and failing to make all the required disclosures as ordered by the court. Now Barry has to answer all Usana’s interrogatories, produce all requested documents and also pay big bucks for trying to play cat and mouse game with the law. It looks like Barry has not learnt anything from his disgraceful past.

  • Klaus

    Looks like Minkow is starting to show his true colours! I can’t wait to see who his partners are in this external stock manipulation skam. He has hurt many people, of which include me, many friends and associates.

  • Justin Tyme

    Wow! Am I ever glad to stayed up late and decided to read Rob Last’s post and the pdf flyer Len Clements posted! I’ll sleep much better tonight…and I believe many others will too! I can see the creep crawlies that come out only in the dark squirming for cover and trying to deny what the Judge ruled. I wonder what imbecilic “reasons” they’ll invent in order to feel “right”? Oughta be interesting to see what happens!

    Justin

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Rob,

    Where did you find the URL to the “PDF” on Barry Minkow being “sanctioned”?

    Justin

  • Rob Last
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    And this item on Usana’s SUCCESSFUL bid to have the court sanction Barry Minkow for not responding, as ordered.

    It is quite clear that the guy has been trying to avoid the discovery at all cost. So the obvious question now is WHAT IS HE TRYING TO HIDE?

    ——————————–
    Note: I had to split the info into three posts as the site does not allow several links in a single post.

  • Klaus

    Now Minkow is getting desperate. He is trying to discredit USANA in China. I guess because he is not being listened to in the US and Canada, he’s now going after China. Now here is a so called “Born Again Christian” dealing with the Chinese Government. Now we all know how the Chinese feel about any religion and the Dali Lama. Basically there is no freedom of religion and secondly NWM/MLM. In China, direct sales is only allowed commssions on the first level.

    Well Minkow should know that USANA is already following and complying with those guidelines in Malaysia. Secondly, What’s wrong with telling a Mainland Chinese Citizen, that if they want to start a USANA business, they need to start it in a country/territory that it is licensed, like HK or Taiwan?

    Minkow is trying to say that USANA is doing business in China, circumventing the system by registering their business in Hong Kong and Taiwan. He even claims that he has some secret insider informantion on this practice, it’s all a bunch of BS!

    Minkow is trying to divert attention away from his illegal stock manipulation trading partners as witnessed by his latest setback with the courts. He’s afraid to comply with the court action to expose his partners in crime.

    USANA is winning the court battles and taking the high road by avoiding the MUD SLINGING PR GAMES that MINKOW is an EXPERT at. Well, It will not be long until we find out who the money bags are behind Minkow’s latest charade and fraud. I mean the guy still owes $26 million to his last victims, he had to find a way to pay them off, get that gorilla of his back and USANA was a great mark in his eyes as well as his backers.

    His website is comical with 80% aimed at USANA (NO OTHER CLIENTS MINKOW?) and now he has the new Chinese website attached dealing with the alleged USANA illegal business practices. The calls are a joke, you can clearly hear that it is a bad case of a Chinese accent from a white anglo saxon protestant asking (how can I make big downline like friend in China and make big money?)….have a great laugh!

  • http://bizop.ca Michael Webster

    You should probably read all the Court documents. USANA has accused Minkow of naked short selling. Based on these mere assertions, the Court ordered an expedited discovery.

    Minkow claims that there was no naked short selling, and rather some USANA insiders lent their stock to facilitate the short sellers. He now seeks discovery on an expedited basis against USANA.

    Now this will be fun to watch: who is right? Did Minkow sell short stock that he didn’t have or borrow, or did USANA’s own insiders make a buck or two lending their stock to short sellers?

  • Klaus

    Michael, You have vast knowledge of law in both the US and Canada. If Minkow has nothing to hide why will he not tell the courts who his client is? What is he hiding? Was Minkow paid by his client to find the perception of fraud and feed the press bad news?

    Why did Minkow use Taylor, FitzPatrick and Coenen for his reports? That trio is well known for it’s very biased view on network marketing. They will never see the pros but definitely the cons. They have a disdain for all network-marketing companies.

    Hypothetically, this does have a smell of external stock manipulation, short selling/put options. It’s speculative, but does have a reasonable ring to it.

    In all my 10 years with USANA as an independent associate, they have always been very hard-lined about compliance, conducting business in a legal and ethical manner. USANA has severed ties with many high level associates, who compromised building their business in an ethical manner, while some other companies would look the other way.

    USANA is a legal network marketing company, which prides itself on high quality nutrtionals. It has always been a product-focused company. Prior to USANA, Dr. Wentz and Gull Labs came out with the very first commercially available test kit for the Epstein Barr Virus. He is a doctor first and foremost. He wanted to switch his focus from diagnosis and cure to nutrition and prevention. He could have retired years ago in comfort. He supports with passion the Children’s Hunger Fund, Sanoviv, a state of the art hospice and care centre. He is active and working constantly. Also, it is not unusual for wealthy people to have their investments in a tax haven, where they pay fewer taxes. I understand Wentz lives pretty much full time in the Mediterranean, while not travelling the world. He does promote the Mediterranean diet as being one of the healthiest on earth.

    Bottom line to me, is why will Minkow not let us know who is paying him to go after USANA? What gain is in it for the client to hit on USANA?

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Rob,

    Thanks for posting the URL links to Adobes pertaining to the District Court of Utah rulings against Barry Minkow. I’ve visited Len Clement’s website at marketwaveinc.com but can’t find them there. How did you come across them if I may ask?

    Thanks!
    Justin

  • Rob Last

    Hi Justin. The links were sent to me by a friend.

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Rob!

    Understand! No more need be said!

    Appreciatingly yours!
    Justin

  • http://bizop.ca Michael Webster

    Klaus wrote: “Michael, You have vast knowledge of law in both the US and Canada. If Minkow has nothing to hide why will he not tell the courts who his client is? What is he hiding? Was Minkow paid by his client to find the perception of fraud and feed the press bad news?”

    Having read the complaints, orders, and various affidavits, my view is that Minkow believes that USANA is on a fishing expedition with their charges of naked short selling. He is probably right, since the allegations of naked short selling are bare allegations.

    Minkow has now asked USANA for similar details about insiders loaning or shorting their USANA stock.

    Since the public float, the available USANA shares to short, appears to have been less than the amounted shorted, then there are (3) possibilities: a) Minkow shorted the stock without having borrowed it first, b) insiders shorted their own stock, or c) insiders lent their stock to some short sellers.

    That is the current issue which is playing out in the Utah Courts. If anyone wants any of the Court PDF files, email and I will send them to you. They are public documents. If there is sufficient demand, I will post them on my website.

  • Justin Tyme

    Hi Michael,

    What is the URL to your website? I’d love to see the Utah Court pdf files!

    Justin

  • Rob Last

    Hi Klaus. You said in your post:

    “Minkow is trying to say that USANA is doing business in China, circumventing the system by registering their business in Hong Kong and Taiwan. He even claims that he has some secret insider informantion on this practice, it’s all a bunch of BS! Minkow is trying to divert attention away from his illegal stock manipulation trading partners as witnessed by his latest setback with the courts. He’s afraid to comply with the court action to expose his partners in crime.”

    You are absolutely right. Usana is squeaky clean and this whole China thing was another Minkow’s stunt. The guy is so desperate. Soon I will post a link HERE where the TRUTH will be told. Oh boy! It will make REALLY interesting reading. Be patient my friend.

    Regards
    Rob

  • Rob

    Paotie was very right in his article on top of this page.
    Since my last post everyone now knows that Barry Minkow is a fraud and it turned out that Usana is squeaky clean. The SEC completely exonerated Usana and the lawsuit has been dropped. Jon Taylor and Tracy Coenen went very quiet as they probably realised the have been supporting a fraudster all this time. These two now really look absolutely stupid as it is clear that they were just used by Minkow!
    In addition it was revealed that Sam Antar (another convicted felon) has been working with Minkow all this time. He funded Minkow’s report to the tune of (at least) $250,000.
    The report, videos and all the negative publicity was all about Minkow, Antar and their accomplices running a “short and distort” racket, wanting to stuff their pockets with money made on greed and deception.

    And there is more. If anyone is interested what is REALLY going on and about manipulation of Usana stock, read the amazing article by Judd Bagley that examines what’s been happening to USANA over the past year.

  • César Cárdenas

    In spanish from Peru. En efecto, dear Paotie, is not convinient to judge Mr. Minkow for his past. Usana and Herbalife has caputured the 50% of the pharmaceutical market in the world, with natural and balanced nutrition. This is a true, and our companies (I’m herbalife distributor) SIEMPRE DEBEN HABLAR CON LA VERDAD, WE MUST TO TALK WITH THE TRUE ALWAYS!, esa será su única fortaleza. The MLM has produced a revolution in the way of the marketing.

  • Chris

    Barry should practice what so called “jesus” taught and stop buying stock from a company he is about to do a bad press release on for financial gain.

    Nuff said about Barry, don’t like what he is doing. Also, he is selective about which MLM he goes after. I noticed he was speaker and pastor at Rocky Peak, where many, many of the church goers are MLM associates of another supplement company.

    Very interesting how he protects himself, the coward, and yet goes after money in the name of exposing fraud.

    The only good I see about Barry is that he raises into question how to make an MLM company better for the average distributor, even though he doesn’t raise that question himself.

    Barry is a type A personality that has to explain it all himself in the spot light; but not the solution.

    In conclusion, if he didn’t make a profit off of shorting publicly traded companies after exposing something about them, then I’d respect him as a past felon and liar who turned his life around, the Jesus thing??? That doesn’t count. People are accountable no matter what religion.

  • Courtney

    I’m going to have to disagree with some of the previous posters who argued that USANA is squeaky clean. While they were let go by the SEC the same could be said for Bernard Madoff. Further more USANAs lawsuit against Barry Minkow had poor results with 4 of their 5 claims being thrown out be the courts for violating California’s Anti-SLAPP laws. Perhaps most enlightening was USANA twice failing to show how their products are superior to less expensive store bought vitamins. Michael Webster seems to be correct when he commented that USANA seemed to be fishing with their allegations of Naked Short Selling since they never made any attempts at moving forward instead offering Minkow a deal. While conditions of the deal are closed it has been floated around that this turned out to be another payday for Minkow with USANA paying him in order for him to agree to the removal of his critical reports that he was legally allowed to keep up.

    I’d like to point out that the link that Rob is supplying is to antisocialmedia.net a web-site run by Jud Bagley who is the “attack dog” of perennial loser Overstock.com. Overstock.com has run a campaign of blame against everyone except themselves to explain their poor performance and failure to turn a profit. This has included Sam Antar who was involved in Barry Minkows reports against USANA. Whatever you read on that site you should take with a heaping spoonful of salt.

    Whether you think Barry Minkow is reformed or not doesn’t really matter. The fact of the matter is he’s smart enough to know what targets to go after. If he’s signaling out USANA has a pyramid scheme I’d say he’s on the money. He’s too smart to risk going to jail again by pointing the blame a finger at the wrong company.

  • Klaus

    Courtney or Tracey, What a load of @#$%! Bill Clinton, Robert Kiyosaki, Donald Trump and the list goes, from lawmakers to private business people. Network marketing is a viable and legal way to do business. USANA choose Network Marketing (a form of Direct Sales) as a way to promote and distribute their products…It’s that simple. USANA is rolling along with great partnerships and business is fantastic!

  • anon

    Klaus the fact that Robert Kiyosaki and Donald Trump take a pay cheque by endorsing this shaddy business doesn’t mean d!ck.

    USANA choose network Marketing because their products are over-priced garbage. You can’t sell them to end consumers so instead you have to sell “the dream.”

    Everyone drops out of USANA and practically none of their sales go to end consumers. Remove the mandatory sales quota and the business would fold in a matter of weeks.

    It may be a legal way to do business but it’s a pyramid scheme none the less.

    BTW “Justin Tyme” I googled your name with the word USANA. Very interesting what you’ve been up to.

  • Klaus

    An update on Minkow; Once a con, always a con. He had to give in to his greed eventually and was caught with his hands in the cookie jar. I guess it’s a case of what goes around, comes around. He was nailed on an illegal form of short selling and puts, while in cahoots with other like-minded people, who’ll no doubt deny their relationship. See the article dated March 24, 2011: BARRY MINKOW CHARGED, BY THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY’S OFFICE, WITH CONSPIRACY TO MANIPULATE COMMON STOCK OF FORTUNE 500 COMPANY

  • A further update

    Not only did USANA fail in their attempt at clearing their name against Barry Minkow’s allegations, but they also ended up paying him $200,000 to go away (Not including the money they had to reimburse him for his legal costs).

    It seems that’s what the behind the doors deal was attempting to cover up. Minkow had them dead to rights and USANA bought him off.

    Looks like they’re both scum.