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Ted Sorenson, John F. Kennedy's advisor and speech writer says, "Obama reminds me in many ways of Kennedy." Okay, all well and good. However, Obama's poll numbers are still in the 30% range while Hillary Clinton's are still in the 50% range. A set of new Newsweek polls (July) seems to indicate that whites would in fact vote for Obama if he were the party's candidate, and qualified. This is worrisome because with more and more comparisons between Jack and Barack, the math is not adding up.

Why? Because Obama has yet to poll "as most likely to win" the presidency in numbers anywhere near JFK's lowest poll ratings at 58% in 1963, according to Newsweek's list of low ratings for presidents. But don't get me wrong, I understand why Sorenson would compare Barack to Jack. They have both garnered scads of covers in popular magazines long before they have been nominated for anything!

I have been writing articles about Obama for a few months now. And after I wrote "The Obama-Drama Meter" and got overwhelming response I knew I was on to something big. Basically I was asking, and did ask, "Is Obama black enough?" While at the airport July 12, I spied a Newsweek, and inside it, too, posed the exact same question. So I have to ask – drum roll – where are the poll numbers to match this man's mega-money multipliers via the Internet? I mean come on, he should be like the bull stock market: shutting out, or having some of the others ready to pack it in. But that does not seem to be the case. Hence Oprah? Not sure. What about the other candidates? John Edwards is getting anxious for other candidates to leave the field so that the remaining "serious ones" can get down to brass tacks. He does not think he should be one of them obviously.

I am confused now after seeing the black and white issue raised by Newsweek. And frankly was left scratching my head and thinking that "maybe all black people are bipolar, don't know, but black commentators absolutely did not agree with my raising that question, and disagreed strongly with me." Fine, he is a black man living in America, and hence African American, more African than American maybe. That was my conclusion.

My doubts grow greater everyday about the chances that Obama could win the nomination and the election. His Secret Service code name is "renegade," for God's sake. That word is way too close, when looking at the letters, to "nigger" for my taste. They said "don't read too much into it." Oh no, don't think so. The other candidates get code names that are from nature or animals. And with the racism that I experience as a woman every day and every time I step outside the door, despite having nearly three degrees and being a certified science teacher, I think – no, I know – that whites will go into the voting booth, look down, read the names and "Barack who?" could be the likely response.

If the logic that blacks folks must remain in their place in the white world is sound, then my foregone conclusion has to be that Barack Obama is sure as hell out of his place. And hence is destined to get the real WWF smack-down real soon. Forgive me readers, Heloise is feeling jaded today. But seriously, I really think that Obama's name will be written with something akin to invisible ink for most whites come voting day.

But does that mean we the people can't get him into high office? No, not at all. If the desire to vote reaches critical mass and people vote with their feet by going to the polls, then come election day, he won't need a rich daddy, vote buyers, book buyers, or ghost writers, if he becomes the party's candidate. But will he?

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  • Arch Conservative

    Poor poor Barack.

    Let’s get a couple of things straight here……..

    First of all, Obama is not black, he is half black, half white, and if his skin were a couple of shades lighter he wouldn’t even be considered black at all by anybody.

    Second…the whole post suggests that the only reason anyone would vote against Obama is because he is perceived to be black. That is absolute horseshit and completely ignores pretty much all of the more pertinent and valid factors regarding Obama’s candidacy that those who are much more seriosu than this post’s author take into consideration. Things such as…..what does Obama actually believe and stand for? What has he doen in the past that shows he would make a good president? What direction would he lead us in as a nation.

    The reason I would NEVER vote for Obaama has nothing to do with the color of his skin and everything to do with the fact that he’s a run of the mill liberal. He’s an empty suit with no real experience and all of this talk about his vision for America and his ability to unite America is a joke. You cannot unite two sides that don’t want to be united. I guess the left’s idea of unity though is to have their guy elected and then pretend that everyone loves him and that there is something worng with those who don’t.

    I didn’t vote for Kerry and sure as shit ain’t voting for Hillary. I will always refuse leftist ideolgy regardless of who’s trying to force it upon me. Anyone who feels the need to label me a racist or sexist can fuck off!

  • http://adreamersholiday.blogspot.com Lee Richards

    “renegade…is way too close, when looking at the letters, to “nigger”, for my taste.”

    A slight bit of over-reaching, perhaps?

    Or do you read something nefarious into “Santa” & “Satan”, too?

    Racism is too serious (as you know better than I) to be used in such a silly context.

  • Ben Caswell

    Obama is not polling like Hillary because of only ONE THING:

    NAME RECOGNITION.

    As more and more and more people learn the measure of the man, more and more and more will join forces with this gathering momentum.

    Whoever writes this blog strikes me as someone more interested in creating a controversy than recognizing what is so. As a science teacher myself, I am surprised at the bluster.

  • moonraven

    Obama is not polling well because he is capuccino out of the jar.

    US voters are singularly unconscious (and it’s really cost them, with the price continuing to rise), but maybe even unconsciously they would like to see The Real Thing?

    As for the comparison of Obama with JFK–I can see that: nice looking, superficial thinkers, glib (they both have what we call “facilidad de palabra” in Spanish), young.

    I campaigned for JFK in a rabidly republican district–but that’s because the alternative was so creepy–as folks fpound out later when they did vote him into office and re-elect him. Yeah, the Nixon Trip shows just how unconscious US voters were even Back in the Day….

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    6 months before a single primary ballot has been cast, polls are not very meaningful…they’re certainly subject to change. Democratic voters may in fact go for Clinton overwhelmingly in the primaries, but nobody knows that yet, just as Giuliani doesn’t have a lock on the GOP nomination just because he leads in early polls.

    For Democrats who want badly to win the next election, the nagging fears that 5% or 10% [or more] of the population are not yet ready to vote for a black president or a woman president are very real considerations – this could change the result in a close fall election. But how this will affect the nominating process is unknowable at this point.

  • Baronius

    That renegade/nigger thing might be the funniest line I’ve read on blogcritics in years.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    The fact that Obama has raised money from far more individual contributors than any other candidate in either party [including, according to Dave Nalle, the most donations from military personnel] is interesting. I don’t think all those people are rabid leftists, either. He is the freshest face among the major candidates, with less baggage.

  • moonraven

    handyguy,

    You make him sound like Jimmy Carter.

    Too bad he ISN’T….

  • Baronius

    The Carter comparison is interesting.

    I’m convinced that this will be another 1976. There are so many people running. There’s not going to be a first tier / second tier, which is the way the press is describing it. (Rule of thumb: whatever trend the press perceives is false.) Instead, pretty much everyone is going to get some attention along the way. One of the “minor” candidates could easily win a nomination.

    Boy, that was jumbled. Let me say this better.

    Usually, there are 2-3 likely candidates, and a few others with little name recognition. One of the likely candidates wins. This time, the campaign cycle is longer, and there are more free media. Both factors will help the less-known candidates to get their names out. Both factors also increase the likelihood of a macaca moment for the major candidates.

    In a way, Obama is a beneficiary of the long campaign cycle. He’s gotten more attention than a 1/2-term senator normally would. But the cycle may be too long for him. He may be boring by next year.

    So I wouldn’t worry about name recognition or racism.

  • REMF

    “But the cycle may be too long for him. He may be boring by next year.”

    Wrong, sorry. Obama is our next president.
    – MCH

  • REMF

    “The reason I would NEVER vote for Obaama has nothing to do with the color of his skin and everything to do with the fact that he’s a run of the mill liberal.”
    – Arch/Bing

    But you voted for a Deserter…twice (?)

  • moonraven

    Obama is NOT your next president.

    I will bet you a hundred bucks. Right now.

    (Like taking candy from a baby….)

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Obama is NOT your next president. I will bet you a hundred bucks. Right now.

    Marthe – care to lay $100 on the sun rising in the east tomorrow? I got the C-note, but I wanna check with my bookie first…

  • moonraven

    I AM your bookie.

  • zingzing

    “And with the racism that I experience as a woman every day and every time I step outside the door, [blarblarblar,] I think – no, I know – that whites will go into the voting booth, look down, read the names and “Barack who?” could be the likely response.”

    ok–this makes no sense. if racist whites don’t know who barak obama IS, how are they going to know that he is black?

    “But seriously, I really think that Obama’s name will be written with something akin to invisible ink for most whites come voting day.”

    bah. anyone who follows politics at all–be they black or white–knows who barak obama is. and a large majority aren’t going to vote against him because he is black. that’s just silly. they’ll vote for a lot of other reasons. maybe they want to vote for experience, or a woman… who knows. some small percentage might vote because a certain way because they hold racist attitudes, but i’m sure that’s true for black people as well. some black people ARE going to vote for obama simply because he is black. that’s not necessarily racism, it’s just voting for someone who represents your views.

    is a man voting against hillary automatically sexist? is a woman voting for hillary sexist? no. it’s not even sexist if her sex is the reason why a person votes for or against her. it’s just voting for your interests.

    same with obama. some white farmer in idaho might vote against obama because he’s an african american from chicago. chicago doesn’t know diddly about idaho, and white farmers in idaho probably don’t even know more than two or three black people.

    that’s what voting is about: representation. you overstate racism to an extraordinary degree in this case. it’s only one of a ton of different things going on here, and it’s a much smaller hurdle in middle america for obama than his inexperience or his urban (meaning “city”) background.

    really, his race may be his biggest plus. maybe only 5% of the white population (probably none-too-liberal anyway) are going to vote against him because of his race. but, he’ll get more of the black vote, more of the other minority vote, probably a bit of the female vote, a bunch of the liberal vote… the positives that come out of his race outweigh the negatives for his campaign, i believe.

  • REMF

    You’re on, moonraven!

  • Baronius

    Zing, it’s the definition of racism if someone votes for/against a candidate based on their race. Ditto with sexism. I don’t see how you can call it “voting their interests”. OK, to be fair, if a person thinks that voting for his type will help people of his type, then I guess he’s thinking of his vote as in his interests. I just don’t think that’s why people would vote for their type. They want to see one of their own succeed, and that’s whateverism.

  • moonraven

    Here we call that egoism(o).

    REMF:

    Gee, I almost hate to take your money.

    But I will, anyway….

  • zingzing

    baronius: “Zing, it’s the definition of racism if someone votes for/against a candidate based on their race. Ditto with sexism.”

    not if they don’t do it solely for the reason that they hate a certain skin color or a certain sex. people vote for who they want representing them. people vote for those with similar intersts. if a female candidate shows that she is only interested in women’s issues and has no time for the nation-at-large, then it is not sexist for a man to say, “well, i want a president who is going to be interested in things other than women’s issues,” that is not sexist. if a woman votes for a woman because “she’s looking to take care of my interests, being a woman,” that is not sexist either. not in any negative sense at least. it’s just voting for someone who is looking after your interests.

    same thing for race.

    that’s what i’m trying to say. of course there are those who will vote for or against a candidate solely because of what race/sex they are. voting for someone just because they look like you is… silly. voting against someone because they are different is “whateverism.” voting for someone because they back up your issues (which may be dependant upon their race or sex) is not a bad thing at all, in fact it may be smart.

  • moonraven

    Right–All women’s issues are inherently separate from those of the other (not quite) half of the human race.

    Women’s issues–like stopping wars, having the right to choose, educating children and adults, growing businesses, preventing violence against their gender and against children, equal pay for equal work.

    You know–stuff that degrades men.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Obama is not polling like Hillary because of only ONE THING:

    NAME RECOGNITION.

    So…once all of America knows the name “Barack Hussein Obama” they’ll be rushing to vote for him?

    Bwahahahahahahahah!!!

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    ok–this makes no sense. if racist whites don’t know who barak obama IS, how are they going to know that he is black?

    Uh, cuz his name is “Barack Hussein Obama” …

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    some small percentage might vote because a certain way because they hold racist attitudes, but i’m sure that’s true for black people as well. some black people ARE going to vote for obama simply because he is black. that’s not necessarily racism, it’s just voting for someone who represents your views.

    ROTFL!!!

    So…whites/hispanics/asians who vote against Barack Hussein Obama simply because he is “black” (even though he is half-black and half-white) “hold racist attitudes” … but blacks who vote for Barack Hussein Obama simply because he is “black” (even though he is half-black and half-white) are “just voting for someone who represents [their] views” …

    ROTFL!!!

  • IgnatiusReilly

    “Ted Sorenson, John F. Kennedy’s advisor and speech writer says, “Obama reminds me in many ways of Kennedy.” Okay, all well and good.”

    So is Sorenson saying Obama reminds him of Heloise, since she claims to be Kennedy? I am confused.

    “And with the racism that I experience as a woman every day and every time I step outside the door”

    When did women become a race unto themselves? Are you sure you don’t mean sexism? Also, your reasoning is very unclear. Assuming someone does hate you for your sex (or race), why would the awareness of your schooling abate their hatred?

  • zingzing

    moonraven: “All women’s issues are inherently separate from those of the other (not quite) half of the human race.”

    don’t be an idiot. it’s fucking obvious that by “women’s issues” i meant stuff that ONLY APPLIES TO WOMEN. and it was JUST AN EXAMPLE! just like there are men’s issues, there are women’s issues. for fuck’s sake, grow up.

  • zingzing

    “like stopping wars,”

    yeah, that only applies to women.

    “having the right to choose,”

    i think we’ve seen how abortion is a problem for everyone, not just women.

    “educating children and adults, growing businesses,”

    yeah, ok. shut it.

    “preventing violence against their gender and against children, equal pay for equal work.”

    well, there you go! now, if a presidential candidate stated that these two issues were the only ones she was interested in, hell, we’ll throw in abortion as well, i’m not sure that that would make a great presidential candidate. a good presidential candidate would be working towards stopping violence, in and out of the home. a good candidate would be looking to promote equality in all walks of life. women’s issues are important, but if the PRESIDENT is totally focused on those issues, a lot of things will fall by the wayside.

  • zingzing

    rj: “Uh, cuz his name is “Barack Hussein Obama” …”

    oh yeah, that name just SCREAMS african american.

    “So…whites/hispanics/asians who vote against Barack Hussein Obama simply because he is “black” (even though he is half-black and half-white) “hold racist attitudes” … but blacks who vote for Barack Hussein Obama simply because he is “black” (even though he is half-black and half-white) are “just voting for someone who represents [their] views” ..”

    no. read for once. i said, if you vote against someone ONLY because they look different from you, you are a racist. if you vote for someone because they are like you, you may be “silly,” or you may be “voting for someone who represents your views.”

    and your “hussein” bit is really childish. who gives a fuck what his name is? is every adolf in germany hitler? what’s your name? there’s probably a serial killer with that name. you fucking murderer. hope you fry. see how stupid you sound?

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com/ Michael J. West

    Uh, cuz his name is “Barack Hussein Obama” …

    What really gets me is how some people think that using Obama’s middle name is somehow clever, creative, amusing, subversive, or even the slightest bit revealing about Obama.

    Insisting on calling him “Barack Hussein Obama” every time you mention him says a lot more about you, RJ, than it does about Obama.

    Namely, it makes you look so desperate to slander the guy, and so hard up for anything of substance to say against him, that you’ll use even the most pathetic and worthless tidbit you can find.

  • IgnatiusReilly

    MJW, it sounds like this is your first time reading rj.

  • Heloise

    “”bah. anyone who follows politics at all–be they black or white–knows who barak obama is. and a large majority aren’t going to vote…”

    Wow, do you think voters really follow politics? They are woefully ignorant of politics and what makes the Dome go around. That’s how we got Bush.

    I ask people all the time, black, white whatever, and only politically savvy people recognize his name immediately, outside of the state of Illinois.

    Heloise

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com/ Michael J. West

    Not at all, Ignatius. Just my first time trying to appeal to him sensibly.

  • Heloise

    Ig, I should have said black woman. But I experience, let’s see: ageism, racism and sexism on a basis that has to do with getting a job, period.

    Yes, I was JFK for your information. I am paying the price for it too. But that’s another story.

    Anyway blackness problem has one huge element, or should I say elephant? Blackness is associated with poverty. I am working a summer job at a major accounting firm. They think I am good enough to edit their accounting books. I told someone I live close enough that I just ride my bike here. This old white woman assumed I lived near the homeless crowd and said I should be careful. I said Huh? What area are you talking about? I live down the street no where near where she was speaking of.

    But that is really, really the big reason that blackness has a Harry-Potter curse attached to it: We are perceived, rightly so according to stats, as being poorer and less educated. I just don’t fit the mold.

    And to the poster who said my renegade line was funny…he gets Heloise. Thanks

    Heloise

  • http://wp.blogcritics.org John

    the author wrote: “I really think that Obama’s name will be written with something akin to invisible ink for most whites come voting day.”

    Quite a bigoted statement and another reminder that racism isn’t monopolized by one skin color.

  • Arch Conservative

    “Women’s issues–like stopping wars, having the right to choose, educating children and adults, growing businesses, preventing violence against their gender and against children, equal pay for equal work.”

    The last time I checked there were millions of American women who are pro-life. Therefore being pro-life is just as much a women’s issue as trumpeting infanticide under the guise of “choice.”

    Does refusing to buy into the leftists rhetoric about the infanticide issue make one less of a woman in your opinion Moonbat?

    With regard to Obama being our next president. Kepp dreaming. Everyone knows it’s going to be Mitt Romney or possibly Fred Thompson.

  • zingzing

    heloise: “Wow, do you think voters really follow politics? They are woefully ignorant of politics and what makes the Dome go around. That’s how we got Bush.”

    my point exactly. a person who has no knowledge of politics (to the point where they don’t even know who the major candidates are) is not a racist because they don’t recognize barak obama’s name.

    “I ask people all the time, black, white whatever, and only politically savvy people recognize his name immediately, outside of the state of Illinois.”

    so, it’s everyone (except the politically savvy and people from illinois) that are going to say “barak who?” not just racist white people… so just because white people don’t know who he is doesn’t make it racist. like you say, some black people don’t know who he is either.

    my point is that you are overstating racism completely in this article.

    “Yes, I was JFK for your information. I am paying the price for it too.”

    it’s driving you crazy…

    archie: “With regard to Obama being our next president. Kepp dreaming. Everyone knows it’s going to be Mitt Romney or possibly Fred Thompson.”

    just like the republicans won the ’06 midterm elections, right archie? you’re not the best odds maker for political elections… i doubt obama will be the next president as well, but romney or thompson? ha. oh my. romney’s overspending and thompson just looks evil. i wouldn’t be so foolish as to predict who will be the next president, but i would look at a whole lot of things other than who YOU are going to vote for.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    and your “hussein” bit is really childish.

    Mentioning his full name is “childish”?

    who gives a fuck what his name is?

    Then why are you upset that I typed his full name?

  • Nancy

    Mitt Romney? Mr. Flip-flop? Oh, Arch, you are such a dreamer. Well, well…dream on, if it makes you happy. Mitt ain’t even gonna get the GOP nod, kiddo. He’s too iffy, & the GOP has a tough struggle this time around, what with Dubya destroying any credibility or positive public perception the GOP ever had. They can’t afford to run someone like Romney. I don’t know, right now it seems like the GOP is in a tight place, candidate-wise, while the Dems are faced with the looming certainty of Clinton, more’s the pity.

    Heloise, I doubt there are very many persons of any color who are going to vote for or against anyone because of his or her color. From what I see & hear, people who use that criteria are about as common these days as the dodo, thank God. On the other hand, what with the prevalence of Muslim violence, the “Hussein” part of his name is what might – might – be the stopper, IMO. However, having seen the man in person as well as in the MSM, I think most are going to think he’s a nice, good-looking young man who’s still just a tad new this time around, if they object at all. And objections, as Arch says, will be based far more on perception of issues than on race or any other superficial aspect of the candidate.

    I personally am wary of those who won’t come out & say what their position is, or who waffle all over the map on issues, or lie about what their past positions have been.

    As for Obama not being voted for because of rampant racism, I think you’re looking for communists under the bed, so to speak.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “it makes you look so desperate to slander the guy”

    Typing the man’s full name is now “slander”?

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “oh yeah, that name just SCREAMS african american.”

    You know any white guys named “Barack” or “Hussein” or “Obama”?

  • moonraven

    Nancy–good to hear from you.

    Hope you are feeling better.

    With all the hatred directed against women on this site, I applaud your decision to return.

    SCing–this is the second time you have completely lost it on this site. I think it’s time you checked into a rehab facility and colled down.

  • moonraven

    Nancy–good to hear from you.

    Hope you are feeling better.

    With all the hatred directed against women on this site, I applaud your decision to return.

    SCing–this is the second time you have completely lost it on this site. I think it’s time you checked into a rehab facility and colled down.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    i still wanna see all this “hatred against women”

    i don’t see it

    a lot of dislike for Individuals, but hell…no one around here really knows who is a man, a woman or an emu for fuck’s sake

    i think some confuse dislike for their persona with larger Issues when the connections are tenuous at best, and ludicrous for the most part

    your mileage may vary

    Excelsior?

  • Dr Dreadful

    What really gets me is how some people think that using Obama’s middle name is somehow clever, creative, amusing, subversive, or even the slightest bit revealing about Obama.

    It’s pure cynicism – straight from the Karl Rove School of Political Besmirching.

    My suggestion is this: every time someone insists on saying or writing ‘Barack Hussein Obama’, respond by making a point of using the middle names of all the candidates until they shut up.

    So, to help you load your arsenal (and without wishing to waste too much time on Wikipedia), here are the full names of the other main presidential candidates… some of them are quite a hoot in themselves:

    Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton
    Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
    John Sidney McCain III
    Johnny Reid Edwards
    Willard Mitt Romney
    Frederick Dalton Thompson
    William Blaine Richardson III
    Ronald Ernest Paul

  • Heloise

    Good comments here. Barack has been in Texas twice for rallies. Both times unable to get there. He will be in Dallas next week if I want to pay 250.00 to see him up close. I have the money, but I am cheap.

    I think that we are saying what needs to be said. THen the big media will be echoing us like before.

    Heloise

  • Heloise

    Hmmm, no racism in the ranks? Sen Durbin just called Osama, Obama!!
    Here’s the video

  • Nancy

    Heh heh heh … THAT was a freudian slip, I guess, on his part!

    As for “hatred against women” on this website, I’ve encountered only one person who was hostile to women – no, actually, there was another on another thread, but not one of the regulars. Otherwise, I haven’t had anybody dis me as a woman per se, altho I have been trashed as a Leftie, a Dem, or a Liberal, & MR trashes me for various perceived sins as the mood strikes her … but that’s to be expected & doesn’t count.

    As for my ‘return’, well…I only went AWOL for a few weeks. I must, from time to time these days. At least I don’t change my name when I return.

    Anyway, aside from that one person (who is, I understand, now banned from BC) I haven’t had anyone give me any grief about either my race or my gender, nor have I seen any given to anybody else, either.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “every time someone insists on saying or writing ‘Barack Hussein Obama’, respond by making a point of using the middle names of all the candidates until they shut up.”

    Uh, I don’t think that will make me or anyone else “shut up” … but your idea sounds like fun nonetheless!

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I’m with RJ on this one…why is using someones full name bad? I can remember people doing it to uncle Ronnie only to point out that all three names had six letters in them…

    In this day and age he’ll never get elected specifically because of his name, whether everyone knows his middle name or not…

    …and to try and pretend that rove is the only evil person in politics is misinformed to say the least!

    As I recall…in the last election there was a dem candidate that raised unbelievable amounts of money over the internet…just like hussein obama…I like that, I’m gonna keep using it…and where is he now? Oh yeah…he’s running the whole party…only in America can you lose and end up a winner…just like Dean!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    heh.. “Willard Mitt Romney”…anybody remember this film?

    just some Fun…

    Excelsior?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    the original was so much better than the remake!!!

  • Nancy

    I think possibly the use of middle names has a bad connotation because when one is young, if an adult uses all your names you’re invariably in hot water.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    unless you’re lucky like me and don’t have a middle name…although the military gave me 3 initials

  • Dr Dreadful

    No middle name?!?!? I can see how that would generate a “does not compute” from the military machine… Fancied yourself a nonconformist, did ya, soldier???!

    We must stop this no middle name nonsense before it becomes a scourge on society! Next thing you know, even presidential candidates will start thinking they don’t have to have one!!

    Bah!
    (signed)
    Dr Osama Hussein Dreadful III

  • REMF

    and don’t forget ol’ George aWol Bush…

  • REMF

    “As for my ‘return’, well…I only went AWOL for a few weeks.”

    Hey Nancy, that’s considerably less than GW Bush’s two years of AWOL…

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    they gave me 3 though…NMN…

    …it helps to identify useless stuff in the mail…if it comes with a middle initial it’s garbage!

    No middle name, but I do have 3 names on my birth certificate…

  • Clavos

    Andy,

    Back when I was in the army, a loooooong time ago, they used NMI, and the guys who were assigned it were told it stood for for Not Much Intelligence.

  • zingzing

    rj: “Mentioning his full name is “childish”?”

    yes, constantly refering to him by his full name takes time, and it is obvious that you have some sort of motive. plus, that’s what fox news does. there is an obvious political motivation. he’s not ashamed of his name. what’s your full name?

    “Then why are you upset that I typed his full name?”

    i’m not. it’s just getting old. it’s an obvious attempt at connecting this african american from chicago to an evil dictator in iraq, when no such connection applies. you aren’t so stupid as to not know your own motives, are you? (then stop acting like it.)

    “Typing the man’s full name is now “slander”?”

    nope. but it is an attempt. what connection do you see between obama and hussein? is it really just his middle name? really? or is politically motivated bullshit? yeah, i thought so.

    “You know any white guys named “Barack” or “Hussein” or “Obama”?”

    how many black guys do you know with those names? now how many muslims? his name doesn’t sound like an african american name. it sounds like a muslim name, you tool. what planet are you from?

    andy marsh: “I’m with RJ on this one…why is using someones full name bad?”

    for fuck’s sake. you two are so dense. it’s just a name, but THIS IS POLITICS. IN AMERICA. most of us can figure out that barak obama is not a dead iraqi dictator. but the conservatives KNOW that a certain part of the population (um… dumbass hick conservatives) won’t know the difference. you can’t possibly be this dumb.

  • Clavos

    “but the conservatives KNOW that a certain part of the population (um… dumbass hick conservatives) won’t know the difference.”

    Hmm.

    Maybe it’s aimed at the “dumbass hick liberals,” since the “dumbass hick conservatives” wouldn’t vote for a democrat under any circumstances?

    Oh, wait, I forgot. If you’re a liberal you couldn’t possibly be a dumbass, and you certainly wouldn’t live anywhere but the city.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Everybody getting pissed at the wrong people here…blame his parents!!! They named him!

    Has anyone done a geneology study on this and verified that he’s not related to the former dictator???

    I don’t know where I fit in that demographic…I live in Va…but I live in the largest city in VA…

    that was a pretty nasty comment there zing…dumbass hick conservatives…you really believe that some of the young folks that MTV draws in with their rock the vote campaigns are all that intelligent??? Just wondering…are people that get their news from The Daily Show that much smarter than the rest of us???

  • zingzing

    “Maybe it’s aimed at the “dumbass hick liberals,” since the “dumbass hick conservatives” wouldn’t vote for a democrat under any circumstances?”

    well, that’s a good point. still, most people who would identify themselves as “liberal” aren’t going to hate on a man just becasue of his ethnic name. but people like rj are. (we liberals do hate the name bush, however, so we are just guilty of different things.)

    and i wasn’t pointing out WHO it was aimed at, i was pointing out that it is politically-motivated manipulation from the right. of course, the only ones who are going to fall for that are idiots in the sticks who don’t know shit about shit. like the people who voted bush in again–i.e., conservative hicks.

    “Oh, wait, I forgot. If you’re a liberal you couldn’t possibly be a dumbass, and you certainly wouldn’t live anywhere but the city.”

    living in a city doesn’t preclude hick-ness. and there are plenty of dumbasses everywhere. but yeah, cities are more liberal than rural areas. #1, they have to be. #2, they have some experience in diversity that rural areas wouldn’t. so yeah, as a liberal, you probably wouldn’t be a dumbass IN THIS WAY, and you probably would live in a city.

  • zingzing

    andy marsh: “Has anyone done a geneology study on this and verified that he’s not related to the former dictator???”

    it’s his fucking MIDDLE NAME! he is not related to the dictator.

    “that was a pretty nasty comment there zing… dumbass hick conservatives”

    yeah well, people who want to deride a person and manipulate politics based on SOMEONE’S MIDDLE NAME deserve it.

    “you really believe that some of the young folks that MTV draws in with their rock the vote campaigns are all that intelligent???”

    who said anything about “rock the vote?” and who watches mtv anymore?

    “are people that get their news from The Daily Show that much smarter than the rest of us???”

    well, they certainly aren’t going to make fun of someone’s middle name for political gain. and yeah, at least the daily show admits it’s fake. fox news doesn’t even do you that service.

  • Dr Dreadful

    Reality check.

    Both the above-mentioned “dumbass hick liberals” and “dumbass hick conservatives” are misnomers because:

    1. Dumbass hicks are usually oblivious to the fact that an election’s going on;
    2. Even if they aren’t, they couldn’t find their way to the polling station;
    3. Even if they could, they wouldn’t have an earthly notion of what Obama’s party affiliation is.

    Labelling such politically unaware plebs (sorry, George) as liberal or conservative is futile. All any party propagandist can do is to feed them enough bullshit and hope they’re barely literate enough to put their X in the right box.

  • Dr Dreadful

    Has anyone done a geneology study on this and verified that he’s not related to the former dictator???

    I assume you’re kidding.

    Hussein is one of the most common names in the Muslim world. It would be a bit like trying to find out if Will Smith (the rapper/actor/comedian) is related to Ian Smith (the former prime minister of Rhodesia).

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I was

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    OH sure…like Smith is some kinda common name or something!

  • Dr Dreadful

    😛 !

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    The middle-name stuff just allows water-muddiers like RJ to chortle “har har” as he makes what he thinks is clever trouble for those he disagrees with. His disingenuous response to having this pointed out doesn’t fool anyone. It’s like insisting on saying “Democrat Party” – gets a guaranteed rise out of us.

    But hearing “Hussein Obama” over and over again might have some sort of cumulative negative effect on people who aren’t otherwise paying a lot of attention to politics and candidates. I think it’s made some sort of impression on my mom, who usually votes for Democrats.

    zingzing’s unfortunate resort to name-calling [“dumbass hicks”], and inaccurate name-calling at that, spoils an otherwise good point.

    But, Clavos, Obama does not only appeal to leftists, although conservatives like to tell themselves so. He has a wide, ideology-free appeal as a ‘breath of fresh air.’ Whether he deserves to have this can be debated. But he does have it.

  • zingzing

    “zingzing’s unfortunate resort to name-calling [“dumbass hicks”], and inaccurate name-calling at that, spoils an otherwise good point.”

    sigh… it’s part of that “guaranteed rise” you talk about.

    but what else would you call a person who falls for such infantile manipulation? (connecting obama to hussein, i mean… not falling for their bait like i did.) i would call them a dumbass hick, and probably conservative at that, and would not feel i was in any way inaccurate in using the term.

    plus, i was just calling rj (and, by extension, andy) dumbass hick conservatives. they should take pride in it, if they stand behind the things they say.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    I see that RJ has contributed perfectly reasonable comments, not based on insults or bomb-throwing, elsewhere on here, as in the current article on the ‘You Tube Democratic Debate.’ Possibly he just enjoyed tweaking your nose on this point.

  • zingzing

    it’s true. possible he was just trying to tweak someone’s nose and i’m the one who took the bait. but rj has been doing the “hussein” thing for a while, and i was in no mood yesterday (or today) to let it slide again. also, rj and i clash quite a bit on political issues. but notice i don’t bash on him until he pulls this bullshit.

    and rj can be as insulting as the rest of us. see our exchanges on global warming. there, he also refuses to call china anything but “red china.” it’s childish. china is anything but communist these days. in fact, i’d say it’s more consumerist than america.

    and it’s true that i’ve been in an argumentative mood lately around here. mostly, all i’ve done is go after moonraven (and now, rj).

    i have no special love for obama, and i probably won’t vote for him. i’m hoping something better will pop up in the democrat(ic) race.

  • IgnatiusReilly

    You mean the same perfectly reasonable RJ who calls the former President BJ Clinton because he’s apparently fixated and jealous that he can’t get a girl to give him one?

  • Clavos

    meh

  • zingzing

    oh yeah. forgot about his “bj” bit. maybe “rj” stands for “rim job” anyway.

    and to moonraven–perhaps you missed nancy’s number 46, which states, in part: “As for “hatred against women” on this website, I’ve encountered only one person who was hostile to women – no, actually, there was another on another thread, but not one of the regulars.”

    you can go on trying to find hatred everywhere you look, but any you see is just stuff you are projecting (as you are well known to do). you’re the only regular here who bashes people based upon race, sex and nationality. except richard brodie. wow, what company you keep!

    ask any woman you find on here. go ahead.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “yes, constantly refering [sic] to him by his full name takes time”

    Maybe 1.5 seconds. I type fast.

    “it’s an obvious attempt at connecting this african american from chicago”

    By way of Indonesia…

    “how many black guys do you know with those names?”

    One: Barack Hussein Obama.

    “his name doesn’t sound like an african american name. it sounds like a muslim name”

    Hmmm. Might that have something to do with the fact that his biological father was a Muslim?

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “china is anything but communist these days.”

    Tell me, which political party has a monopoly on elections in China?

    If you said the Communist Party (you know, the Reds), you’d be correct!

    Red China can be as capitalist as it wants, but as long as the Communist Party rules over 1.3 billion people with an iron fist (and as long as there is another, separate, non-Communist Chinese government in Taiwan), “mainland” China will remain Red China to me.

  • moonraven

    Zing,

    There is only one other woman posting here–and she’s got round heels with men in order to feel approved of.

    There are no other women because you have insulted and degraded them and driven them away.

    This bird is a bit tough to chew for you wimps….

  • zingzing

    rj: “Red China can be as capitalist as it wants, but as long as the Communist Party rules over 1.3 billion people with an iron fist (and as long as there is another, separate, non-Communist Chinese government in Taiwan), “mainland” China will remain Red China to me.”

    taiwan is not china. therefore, you don’t have to differentiate, now do you?

    and what “iron fist?” have you ever been to china? do you know what the fuck you are talking about? i guess not, because if you did, you’d realize what your are saying is really, really stupid.

    if you were to go to china–don’t worry, you won’t get arrested for your freedom–you would notice that no one gives two fucks about the communist gov’t. you would notice that the people have changed and that communism is a lame duck over there. i went to backwater china and saw nothing-NOTHING-but shopping, shopping, shopping. everyone has a cell phone. any unoccupied corner is a shop. people rent out their home computers to anyone to use the internet. internet cafes are constantly full (and huge). there’s a mall on every corner. technology is everywhere (and ahead of the usa).

    the communist party is the communist party. nothing has changed there. but it’s a shadow of its former self. it’s not even communist anymore. they realized that a capitalist economy makes them more money, and they are running with it. private enterprise is so separated from the govt that there is ABSOLUTELY no govt control over it. shit, there should be. look at the crap they send us. 100% of all toys that were recalled in usa last year came from china. they can’t even send us dog food that we would approve of. the govt is having to step in in order to continue their capitalistic trade agreement with the usa.

    yes, the “communist” party still is in power, but they are no longer communist in anything but name.

  • zingzing

    moonraven: “There is only one other woman posting here–and she’s got round heels with men in order to feel approved of.”

    so now you’re hating on the only other woman here? oh, moonie… stop bashing women. nancy does what she wants. i’m sure she’d be offended by your suggestion that she does things to please us men.

    “There are no other women because you have insulted and degraded them and driven them away.”

    nah. not me. maybe you… but not me. whatever you might say, i (and the vast majority of people around here) don’t give a fuck about gender and have never said anything about it.

    i’ll bash on someone for their views, but not because they don’t have a penis. it seems to arbitrary to me.

  • moonraven

    I do not believe a word of it, zing–you seemed VERY comfortable with using politically incorrect language–like your support of the use of the offensive term, “BULL DYKE”.

    That is equally as offensive to women of the lesbian persuasion–and to those who are not–as using the word “NIGGER” would be in reference to the topic of this thread.

    When all those women who are invisibly posting here agree with you, I will be skating on the ice floes of hell.

  • zingzing

    “I do not believe a word of it, zing–you seemed VERY comfortable with using politically incorrect language–like your support of the use of the offensive term, “BULL DYKE”.”

    hmm. when did i say that? um, never.

    but i am very comfortable using politically incorrect language. i just don’t use such language about women.

  • zingzing

    “When all those women who are invisibly posting here agree with you, I will be skating on the ice floes of hell.”

    well, when one woman actually agrees with you, i’ll admit that they actually did agree.

    when you call for a woman to agree with you AND THEY DON’T, why don’t you just admit that that one woman has her own point of view instead of bashing her as some sort of puppet dangling by some imagined male conspiracy?

    you’re a nut. not a male or female nut. just a nut. wait, are nuts female in any aspect? just ignore that part of it.

  • zingzing

    you find where i said “bull dyke.” i think you’ll find that gonzo said it.

  • Nancy

    Zing, I don’t always agree w/you – say, on illegals – but I agree w/you fully on this one. So now I spend all my time currying favor w/the men on this website? That’s a new one. I guess it would bother me if it had even a grain of truth in it, but since MR spends most of her time projecting her own predilictions on others, it doesn’t.

    I have only seen hostility to women now from – THREE people on this website, & I’ll have to say, one of them is MR. What a sorry thing to have to say of a sister woman.

  • moonraven

    I ain’t your sister, Nancy. I have made it very clear what my opinion is in regard to you. Only feminists are in the sisterhood–and you ain’t one.

    Zing–I am aware that the WRITER of the offensive term, BULL DYKE, was gonzo. But you supported it.

    And I still waiting for my fucking burger, kid….

  • Dr Dreadful

    #82 -> #84 -> #85:

    zing, you are prophetic…

    Actually, not so much. That one was kind of a no-brainer.

  • Clavos

    5…4…3…2…1…

  • zingzing

    moonie: “I am aware that the WRITER of the offensive term, BULL DYKE, was gonzo. But you supported it.”

    how exactly did i do that?

  • zingzing

    “And I still waiting for my fucking burger”

    you’re a strong woman. go get it yourself. do you really need a man for that?

    lalala.

  • zingzing

    chris, i’m not offended by moonraven’s “you work at mcdonalds” schtick. it says more about her than it does about me, and i know others can see it… so, she’s really just insulting herself… and that’s not against the rules, right?

  • Clavos

    Meh

  • Dr Dreadful

    Clav, careful where you say “Meh”. Stan might accuse you of being a New Zealander looking for love!

    😉

  • Clavos

    Not if I’m wearing me titfer…

  • STM

    And what a wonderful titfer it is too. Beats them Kiwi woolen beanies hands down.

    It’s also got a Crown on it:) Actually mate, that worries me a bit y’know. Theoretically, you could still be arrested as a traitor for wearing the Queen’s uniform in the US I’d think.

  • Clavos

    Nah, mate. Last i checked, you blokes were on our side, so wearin’ it’s officially a gesture of solidarity.

    And though the Kiwis ARE good blokes, them beanies are bloody poofy.

  • Dr Dreadful

    Stan, I can hear Clavos’s Aussie accent getting stronger by the minute. Good work.

    Now we just need to get him to fly the Royal Ensign from his boat… :-)

  • STM

    All part of the flag plot DD. I might even punt him up to head that bizarre royalist separatist mob in West Florida who want to return to the Crown whilst somehow still remaining a part of the US … despite Her Maj not replying to ANY of their correspondence.

  • STM

    Boys: here is their wonderful and perfectly reasonable and plausible manifesto for the return of West Florida to the Crown.

    Please note also the really excellent flag with single white star on red background and importantly, in fact most importantly, the very American and almost pre-1776 Grand Union-style rendition of the Union Jack in the corner (but with the cross of St Patrick included) :)

    It’s good to see there are still sane people in America.

  • STM

    Make that without the Cross of St Patrick

  • Clavos

    Mate,

    My brother-in-law and his family live fair dinkum in the center of the DBWF; in the city of Pensacola.

    I’ve sent him the link.

    And here’s one for Stan and Doc

  • STM

    Clav, see if you can get him to join up or call them and give us a bit of a bloody report. I love it, of course. But although it looks serious, I suspect it’s all a bit of a gee-up. Nevertheless, it does look like fun.

    I think you need one of those authentic-looking Dominion of British West Florida citizenship certificates (complete with crown and British coat of arms) to go on the wall next to the Aussie titfer :)

  • STM

    And here’s the good oil folks: if the whole of America joins West Florda in its bid to be reunited with the Crown, and the Crown accepts, you get an immediate return to genuine representative democracy and the end of all your problems in relation to the political polarisation of America.

    Worth thinking about, particularly as it would also likely involve getting a proper flag in the corner of yours to replace those silly stars.

  • STM

    Clav, is that our boat mate?? Looks good, if so. Pity I’m not getting to acapulco … I could have headed over to DBWF for a state visit as the Australian representative and we could have had an official cruise :) Doc could’ve come too in his capacity as unofficial UK ambassador to Fresno.

  • http://www.robot-of-the-week.com Christopher Rose

    Stan, that appears to be a duff link. If you can check it out and email me a good ‘un, I’ll fix it for ya…

  • STM

    Rosey … the DBWF link is working fine for me. Are you talking about Clav’s boat??

    I couldn’t get out of there when I went on.

  • STM

    Rosey … the DBWF link is working fine for me. Are you talking about Clav’s boat??

    I couldn’t get out of there when I went on.

    If not, this goes straight to the DBWF home page.

  • Clavos

    Stan,

    I just checked both links (your first one to the DBWF, and mine to the boat) and both worked fine, BUT your second link to DBWF home page did not.

    Here’s another.

    Chris, which link didn’t work for ya?

  • STM

    Clav: My second link to the DBWF doesn’t work. Never mind.

    I’m definitely up for one of their citizenship certificates. I’m just worried that injudicious use of a borrowed golf cart at three o’clock in the morning in Miami might disqualify me, although seeing as it was in enemy territory (East Florida), I’m hoping they might think the whole escapade was a rather dashing affair and they’ll ignore its allegedly nefarious nature (I can’t tell you whether it was or wasn’t).

    Perhaps they’ll recognise that such sterling effort deserves just reward :)

  • http://www.robot-of-the-week.com Christopher Rose

    I fixed Stan’s faulty link but none of them work for me, I just keep getting “Firefox can’t find the server at http://www.dbwf.net“.

  • STM

    Can you google it Rosey?

    It’s worth a look old boy. It’s a hoot mate, and they’ve done their research too.

  • STM

    Dreadful picture of Her Maj though Rosey – an absolute Barry Crocker.

  • http://www.robot-of-the-week.com Christopher Rose

    I’ve tried Google too and still get the same thing. Irritating? I should coco! Incidentally, my sister, her Welsh husband and their Yankee kids are in Tallahassee. Is that in the DBWF too?

  • STM

    Nah, mate, doesn’t look like it according to the map. It stretches from the Florida gulf coast all the way to Louisiana.

    Mind you, you’d think they could set up a DBEF wouldn’t you, and get the whole bloody place involved.

    Perhaps not, though, if your brother-in-law is Welsh :) He’s probably glad to be shot of it all.

    I should probably also take the opportunity here of apologising to Heloise for buggering up her thread, but I do think it’s relevent as this plan has the potential to heal all America’s political wounds and current ills.

    And imagine how good the flag would look.

  • Dr Dreadful

    All right, Stan and Clav: clearly I’ve been absent from this thread for way too long… you two have been getting up to all sorts of mischief.

    Stan: I wouldn’t be surprised if you made up this whole Dominion of British West Florida yourself… It bears all the hallmarks of your handiwork!

    It’s a great idea, though – my one concern is that even if one could convince Congress, the Seminole Nation might have a thing or two to say about it…

    Clavos: What are you doing with my boat?

    (Actually, that’s my boat’s dinghy. I was just trying to be modest.)

    😉

  • Clavos

    Well, Doc, if that’s the size of your dink, I VERY much want to have the opportunity to sell the mother ship for you when the time comes (and it always does!).

    My wife took that pic. I put her in the dink with the digital and drove in circles around her (I’m good at that – it’s the story of my life) for about half an hour while she shot pictures.

  • Dr Dreadful

    Well, Doc, if that’s the size of your dink, I VERY much want to have the opportunity to sell the mother ship for you when the time comes (and it always does!).

    I’ll keep you in mind, Clav, although Donald Trump has first option on it… he wants to turn it into the “biggest, fastest, most luxurious vessel afloat… it’s gonna be UGE!”

    My wife took that pic. I put her in the dink with the digital and drove in circles around her (I’m good at that – it’s the story of my life) for about half an hour while she shot pictures.

    Er… Clav… she’s not still out there, is she?

    [In Florida, a man leaps to his feet, grabs keys and dashes from the room, the word shiiii….! still hovering in the air above his still-revolving office chair…]

  • Clavos

    I tried, Doc, but that little dink gets up on a plane and hits 22-23 knots. She overtook me in about two minutes flat.

  • Clavos

    The Donald has his work cut out for him.

    He’s going to have to beat out Paul Allen.

  • Dr Dreadful

    Pfhui! A mere canoe compared to my HMS Barfbucket

  • Clavos

    Heh.

    You part (at least!) Irish, Doc?

  • Dr Dreadful

    Not in the slightest, as far as I know.

    But I have kissed the Blarney Stone.

  • Clavos

    Just kissed, huh?

    You sure you didn’t swallow it?

    BTW, did you notice that Octopus is 1M longer than HMS Britannia? (Which, for many decades was the largest yacht in the world, until the dotcom boom)

  • Dr Dreadful

    As a young sprat, before I became aware of HMS Britannia, I always thought a yacht was just one of those sailboats you saw pottering around on the horizon when you went to the beach. I had a yacht – a little toy one named Monty, which infallibly capsized every time I put it in the bathtub. But this… Define yacht! I suddenly thought. Where does something that size get off being a yacht?!?!

    But she was a grand old tub. Now sadly retired as Her Maj became more cost-conscious, and (I believe) now moored as a floating museum on the Clyde.

    (The Britannia, not the Queen.)

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