Wow, Joe - this is much to take in one go; will come back to you tomorrow afer the "usual suspects" weigh in. Beautifully written, will check your links later today

Nice job, Joe. "The truth is out there", they used to say on The X Files. A friend of mine has been trying to bring similar truths to your countrymen for a decade and a half now, and when it is brought out, few people want to know.

They are too busy chasing status, money and sex, or watching whatever is the modern equivalent of the boob tube in their homes - or feeding themselves from the huge trough of bullshit that constitutes many blogging sites.

I live in the missile sights of HizbAllah along with several million other Israelis - and the denial is almost as strong among the prosperous chattering class here.

But here, the dictatorship is a little harder to deny, the wrongs are too obvious to be asserted as right, and the common folk understand what the hell is going on. And still, what they want is to be entertained, not informed.

This will only change when the enemy missiles start to fall, and I suspect that is what it will take to wake up your fellow Americans.

And now let me see if I can't find that thesaurus under my pillow.

I have a thesaurus here in my office, and I believe there is at least one more in the house, not to mention any number of - yes, I fear to admit - DICTIONARIES!

I think we should all come together and have a good old fashion book burning. Let's get rid of all those offensive, elitist thesauruseseses thingys, dictionaries, encyclopedias and other useless, mind numbing trash. Mind you, it's no coincidence that "thesaurus" sounds a lot like "dinosaur(us)." Huh!

Maybe we should take a cue from that Pol Pot guy and get rid of all them intilectials - docters, lawers, colig perfesers & such! Needel brane basterds!

B-tone

I wish I thought our government could be this organized about anything.

In Washington everyone looks out for number one first, and nobody can keep a secret. So they can successfully commit crimes, but not conspiracies. (Remember Nixon's try?)

I will rise to the defense of John Warner. He is an honorable gentleman who loves his country and supports its principles. He's not perfect, is a functioning politician, and makes mistakes. But I don't believe he has a nefarious agenda for us.

I'm not going to condemn this or that politician in the States. That's your job, Lee. But as for Senator Warner's bill, it hasn't become law.

In future, it could, but as of now, Sen. Warner is off the hook.

Ruvy - see Public Law No: 109-364

Got a link, Troll? It's been a while since I did legal research, and when I did, there were no computers to help....

Here, Ruvy.

thanks Clavos

De nada, troll. How's the back? You horsing around again?

(can't seem to kick the addiction)

This particular article is one of the best that I have seen on this milktoast website. It is well written, well documented and true. Instead of commenting on it directly, I think I will kick back for a few days and wait for the "liberty lovers" Dave, Bulldog Barger, and of course Davey's sidekick and partner in crime Clavy baby, come along and denigrate the article, being the "liberty lovers" that they are. Big smirk for all you so-called libertarians.

Pablo

As Lee suggests above, I have always been skeptical of most conspiracy theories as they would require a level of organization, discipline and loyalty that, frankly I don't think exists anywhere except possibly within Al Qaida.

It is difficult to believe in this day and age wherein most people are clamouring for their fifteen minutes of fame and/or owing to opportunism - the chance to make a buck, that such high level and complex conspiracies could survive for any meaningful length of time.

I've no doubt that there are people who would love to see this country come under autocratic rule. There remain enough people having essentially a fascist mindset to seriously consider the possibility of such a nefarious effort.

But, as with most such theories, too many people on too many levels both in and out of government would have to be working in concert and be able to keep their mouths shut for an extended period of time for anything so complex to even get off the ground.

Maybe Joe is right. If so, I guess all of us doubters will have to eat crow - before being hung, shot, gassed, burned at the stake or drawn and quartered, of course.

B-tone

There sure is a lot in this article that deserves a full debunking, but most of it is transparent enough for anyone with common sense to address.

Just a couple of my favorites - the most ridiculous things in here.

The supposed FEMA camps. Pretty amusing stuff. Alex Jones has been going on about them for years. I saw some first-hand photographs of the supposed camps. Most of them are world-war-two era facilities which have been shut down for decades and are completely unusable. Zero money or resources have been applied to rehabilitating them and their condition is such that most of them could never be used for the supposed purposes. And of course, using them is based on the assumption of the declaration of martial law under the dreaded series of executive orders listed on the website, all part of some great conspiracy. But of course, those exective orders, or ones like them, have been in effect since the 1940s and have never been used, and if you read the actual TEXT rather than the brief summaries linked to in the article, you'll see that the scope of the orders is extremely limited and that they include specific constitutional protections and limitations. The camps do theoretically have a potential existence, though most are in such bad shape they could never be used. And their purpose is transparent, not secretive. They're for housing evacuees in case of a major natural disaster, which makes perfect sense. In otherwords, the claims of some sort of conspiracy to install martial law in the nation is total bullshit.

I do love the video of the 'FEMA Camp' though. A clearly abandoned and totally unsecure facility with a chainlink fence and clearly unmaintained and undeveloped for years. Ironically, I think that's the camp in Oklahoma which was supposed to be used to house Katrina evacuees and was ultimately ruled out as being incapable of accomodating them and the evacuees ended up at a Baptist youth summer camp instead.

Then there's a link to the Wikipedia entry for the SPP, coupled with a claim that it's the beginning of the creation of the North American Union. Again, utter crapola. The SPP has none of the broad powers needed to do any of the things claimed for the NAU and no one in a position of authority is even advocating such a thing. The SPP is solely about trade and security against terrorists coming to the US from Mexico and Canada. Rather than reading the somewhat ambivalent 'neutral' Wikipedia article, read my article Get a Grip - There is No North American Union. It should help. In a nutshell the only person ever to actually endorse a NAU is a CFR weenie named Rober Pastor, and even the rest of the CFR disavows his ideas. Again, twaddle.

Links to people like Jerome Corsi, Lew Rockwell, Lou Dobbs and Ron Paul aren't going to convince anyone with enough sense to tie their own shoes. They're marketing fear and deception and every word they write lowers the nation IQ by several points.

But Joe - let me thank you. You've inspired me to action. I now own the domain name Idiowars.com and plan to launch a full-scale debunking and scoffing site in your honor.

Dave

Mr. Nalle,

In your enthusiastic over-haste to debunk one (actually several) of the greatest conspiratorial threats the world has ever faced, you omit to mention, let alone address, the best evidence that it (they) exist(s): Prescience and cunning secret planning. How else do you explain the fact that Mr. Hoover -- masquerading as a simple salesman for a household cleaning device -- knew more than a half century before it happened that President Bush would personally select commandos to crash two commercial aircraft into the Twin Towers? How do you explain the notorious executive orders issued, and the horrible FEMA camps created, during the 1940's? These conspiracies have been in existence and secretly nourished for many, many years.

Don't try to hide these facts, sir. We know all about them and your perverse efforts at concealment will not go unpunished.

Anonymous

Possibly the most irrational article ever. was this intended as some sort of parody of clinical paranoia? if not, what excuse is there for publishing such rubbish? an equal time policy for the mentally handicapped?

I hope Joe is generous enough to prepare large dishes of crow for you all to sup on when the time comes (and you will be supping on crow - it'll be the only thing available, aside from rat, coyote and horsemeat). The stuff is not kosher and even though I'm a veteran Burger King manager, I'm not prepared to attempt crow meat.

Love and kisses from Liberated Samaria
Ruvy

Ruvy, Ruvy, Ruvy. tse, tse, tse!

Why didn't FEMA take New York City (or DC or Boston) when it had the chance? For that matter, Florida, Mississippi, and Louisiana? Why not the midwest, now? There are droughts in California and it's probably hot in Arizona. If they've been building their plans since the 1950's, why don't they get on with it?

I'm not suggesting that you trust government in general, but the particular threats that you've pointed out have simply never come to pass. I hope that the greatest enemies to freedom are as lame and ill-prepared as FEMA.

I must agree with Baronius. FEMA!? Now there's an agency that knows how to get things done. FEMA can't get out of it's own way. It couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. If they are attempting to trying to detract us with ineptitude, then I must say, JOB WELL DONE!

B-tone

Baritone, FEMA may be harmless on its own, but wait until the trinational government takes over. Then FEMA will join with the power of the Canadian government and the efficiency of the Mexican government. Won't that be...something.

It'll be the reincarnation of the Axis powers. The trains will run on time! Uh, well, sometimes. I mean, if they're running at all. Eh, amigo?

B-tone

You guys laugh, belittle and make mock all you want, but I for one will be glad, I tell you, glad to see the NAU become reality, for then we Messicans will finally get our long lost and beloved Aztlan back!

So there!

#4 -- Lee Richards

"I wish I thought our government could be this organized about anything".

LOL.........a clasic of all one liners.

One thing that hasn't apparently occured to any of us is that at some levels, an NAU might be a fairly good thing. If the apparent early success of the EU is any indicator, a coming together of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico - at least in the economic community - could have positive results for all three countries.

I don't know about the rather nebulous Aztlan, but as far as I'm concerned, the "Messicans" can have Texas back. It's far too large, unwieldly and frankly has too many insufferable people far too impressed with themselves. ;-)

Just a couple of thoughts.

B-tone

Plus B-tone, have you ever driven across it on I10? It takes for ever!

When you're driving across country it's always good to hit state lines, it makes you feel like you're getting somewhere. If you head out from San Diego, heading for FL, you hit TX in El Paso and don't leave it until Shreveport, LA! It takes forever! And there's nothing to see!!!

Though it wasn't my first time there, when I moved to San Antonio in the early nineties, I'll never forget the sign on I-20, right after you cross the LA/TX state line, which said "El Paso, 762 Miles."

While I was living there, I remember one day when there was a simultaneous 80 degree temperature spread between San Antonio and Amarillo.

There's an old joke about the Texan who was bragging to an Englishman about how everything in TX is bigger and better. At one point he said to the Brit, "Why Texas is so big you kin git on a train in El Paso in the evening, head east, and next morning you'll still be in Texas!"

To which the Englishman replied, "I know what you mean, old boy. We have some very slow trains in England, as well."

I spent the better part of 2 years while proudly serving this great country of ours at Ft. Hood, TX.

Now this isn't exactly the garden spot of the state. (But then, what is?) I don't dislike Texas and Texans across the board - I can't forget my good friend and fellow BC blogger Dave.

A couple of places I liked were Austin and Padre Island. At the time - the mid 1960s - Padre Island was fairly deserted. I believe a great portion of it was used by the legendary King Ranch for grazing of their cattle. I once stayed on the beach for a long week-end by my lonesome and the only people I saw was a group of nuns in full habit playing in the surf.

Austin is a relatively liberal city owing, I suppose, to the presence of UT. A few of my Army buddies and I went to a German beer garden called Sholz' Garten where we got weinerschnitzel, red cabbage and dark beer. Sadly, Dave tells me that, while it still exists, it has become pretty much a dive serving pre-frozen crap.

But the area surrounding Ft. Hood - Killeen (the birthplace of Dave's wife if I am recalling correctly,) Belton (home of Mary Hardin Baylor College,) and, somewhat more distant, the town of Temple were hardly havens for a bunch of homesick post adolescent draftees in the mid 1960s.

I was a cook for about half my stint and one of my fellow mess hall compatriots was a bonafide Texan - a big, not too bright, honyok who believed that the ladies would assume that you owned a ranch if you walked around with horse shit on your boots. I don't know, maybe he was right.

Galveston was another place we spent several week-ends. At that time there remained a large concrete artillery bunker covered with earth along the beach which had been built to encounter German Uboats should they venture too close. Apparently, they did so on a couple of occasions and the large guns were fired. I don't believe any hits were recorded, though.

While the bunker remained, the guns themselves were, of course, long gone. But you could actually drive around to the rear of the emplacement and drive right down into where one of the guns once stood. We did so on one occasion with the thought of spending the night. Unfortunately, we discovered that it was also a favorite spot for mosquitoes. We gave that up quite abruptly.

Galveston was a fun place to go, though, although by mid-summer the gulf waters were far from being refreshing as the water temps usually were well above 80 degrees and the "surf" was laughable.

But, there was plenty of beer and usually a few gaggles of "wimmins" in bikinis and such.

Hey, maybe Texas isn't so bad afterall? Naw. It's still much too big, much too dry and much too hot for civilized human beings.

B-tone

I think the coolest thing I've ever seen in TX has to be the Marfa Mystery Lights. But the lights are strange and a pretty cool thing to see...

I was building fiber backbone along the border a few years back on highway 90, it runs along the mexican border, pretty much from El Paso to...hell I dunno! I went as far as Comstock or Del Rio, can't remember exactly.

I remember staying at the Comstock Motel and checking into my room. There was a full sized fridge in the room and when I opened it it was full of beer! I went back to the front desk and spoke with the old woman that owned the place and she said, Oh yeah, I forgot about that, it's mine, help your self!

So yeah, I have to agree, TX ain't so bad!

"But the area surrounding Ft. Hood - Killeen (the birthplace of Dave's wife if I am recalling correctly,)"

Actually, that's my wife. I remember mentioning it once before, about a year ago.

"It's still much too big, much too dry and much too hot for civilized human beings."

Plus, it's full of Texans. :>)

I knew a guy in the navy from Killeen, named John Henderson...married the same girl THREE times! From what I heard, the last one ended right after he gave her the clap!

Slow learner, was he?

That's an awful polite way of putting it!

Hey Clav,

Of course, it is your wife who hails from Killeen. Sorry. I guess there are worse things than having been born in Killeen. Let's see. Hmmm. Uh, I'll have to get back with you on that.

Now that I think about it, I don't even know if Dave's married. I guess he is as I know he speaks often of his kids. I suppose wifey references have crept into his posts or comments from time to time.

Yeah, unfortunately there are a lot of Texans in Texas. What's worse is that a number of them are also Boomers. Can you imagine?

It's sort of like what I heard someone on the tube say about a problem traveling abroad is that you encounter so many foreigners. I guess they were right about that one.

Just to get back to the original thread: I bet some of those Texas Boomers and a lot of those "foreigners" in other countries want to kill or enslave all of us god fearin' 'Mericans. So, hold onto your butts!

B-tone