Writing articles about Paul and the Paulistas is rather like picking at a scab. It's painful and disgusting, but somehow impossible to resist.

Dave

McCain not pro-war? He voted FOR THE WAR. That's about as pro war as you get.
McCain and Bush hate eachother? Umm what world do you live in? McCain IS RELATED TO LAURA BUSH. I dare any of you to check that fact.
Pull your heads out of the sand and stop acting like good lemmings. Stop selling your country down the river.
Ron Paul is the first honest true patriot to run for president in our lifetime. His knowledge of the economy among other things related to the office puts all the other candidates to complete shame.
I dare you to let Paul debate Obama and/or McCain. He would make them look like the puppet monkeys they truely are.
Wake up you fools.

If a candidate accepts campaign or lobby money from corporations who profit directly from military activities, they are considered "pro-war." If a candidate does not, they are considered "anti-war."

Get it? Not too difficult.

Therefore McCain and Obama are considered "pro-war" by those with a functioning brain, willing to accept the truth.

Ron Paul does not accept lobby money or campaign money from war profiteers OR commercial media whore who promote the war.

And, yes. Those commercial war media companies are the same ones who have said "Ron Paul can't win" since BEFORE ANY debate, or ANY poll. They knew their newscasts wouldn't be as valuable if we weren't at war 24 hours a day, so they shut him down.

It intellectually disingenuous to say that the media's exclusion and vilification of Ron Paul didn't have a lot to do with his failed campaign.

The War in Iraq is over? Did you happen to ask the Americans dying and the Iraqis and insurgents killing them every day about that? I'm in the Air Force and our leadership tells us all the time that we are at War.

And Ron Paul is ignorant of foreign policy? I suppose you believe that the policies of using the CIA to overthrow dictators and fund warlords while turning a blind eye to their perpetrations of egregious human rights violations has served us well.

Whether McCain wins or not will be irrelevant in November. There isn't much doubt that the Democratic party will sweep most Congressional seats into their column. In the face of a Democratic Congress, McCain will just "cooperate" with Democrats, to attempt to win a second term. That will be McCain's main goal in office, more power. I hope your McCain wins, so you can see what happens to liberty, under him. Obviously, you have given up on natural rights. We are all slaves to our government. Your politicians must decide, the best for us. Liberty is just a word to you. You don't have any idea, that you are a prime proponent of socialism, as most Republicans and Democrats are. We already have socialism, it's only a matter of time before an American Pol Pot takes charge.

I agree, no letter is going to change the GOP's mind at this point. However, by signing this letter, you are telling the GOP that they have lost their way and, in so doing, losing voters. This, combined with the embarrassing % of primary/caucus votes McCain has lost to Ron Paul, may affect some positive changes in the GOP platform. Like it or not, the revolution has begun.

Is there any way I can get off of this planet? Is there some room on the next shuttle flight? This fucking place is going to socialist hell in a hand basket.

Dave, as you know I'm no Paulite, but I think you miss something regarding McCain. While some of your beliefs regarding the presumptive Rep nominee may be correct, many of the issues raised by the Paul letter are, in fact, how McCain is perceived by many of the voting public. He is perceived to be a Bush clone. He is perceived to have a short fuse. He is perceived to be pro-war (although, here, I must echo Dan's query - The war is over???)

In politics as in advertising image (perception) is everything. I'd say Johnny has his work cut out for him in knocking down those perceptions. I hope he doesn't manage to fly off in a hissy fit in the effort.

Should Obama prevail in November; if Congress takes on a far more bluer hue, I'll endeavor to put together some capitalist care packages to send off to you and other bereft Libertarians.

If anyone has any suggestions as to what would be good to include in such a package, please let fly here.

Another note: The Paulites sound a great deal like died-in-the-wool born again christians warning of the dire consequences of not heeding their call. Just as with the fundies, the Paulites appear to be about four nickels and 3 pennies short of a quarter - leaving them with only their two cents worth.

B-tone

Sigh. Once again Dave Nalle puts on his little reporter cap and taps furiously away at his keyboard, pretending to be "Scoop Nalle; Ace reporter". If it weren't so pathetic, it might actually be funny. But it's not funny. Just sad.

Dave, I'm sure that your mother is still proud of you anyway. Keep trying dude, maybe someday you'll finally amount to something.

This, combined with the embarrassing % of primary/caucus votes McCain has lost to Ron Paul,

Just to set the record straight, McCain has lost zero primaries to Paul.

may affect some positive changes in the GOP platform. Like it or not, the revolution has begun.

I'll give you that this is the upside. Once the movement sheds Paul and grows up it can have a very positive effect on the GOP.

Dave

That was just a plain weak argument against Dr. Paul. The GOP has changed and will do absolutely nothing to stop the spread of socialism and at the same time fascism in the USA.

Government will get bigger, nothing will be done about the deficit, military intervention will increase, but somehow McCain will help buy us some time?

If a candidate accepts campaign or lobby money from corporations who profit directly from military activities, they are considered "pro-war." If a candidate does not, they are considered "anti-war."

Get it? Not too difficult.

But it makes no sense. Who is it that considers them pro or anti war on this basis? Why is that the only consideration? If a candidate took money from defense contractors and then never voted for a war he'd still be pro war? Twaddle.

Therefore McCain and Obama are considered "pro-war" by those with a functioning brain, willing to accept the truth.

But Obama didn't vote for the Iraq war and doesn't take money from defense contractors. Even by your criteria he's not pro-war.

And 'thinking people' can tell the difference between someone who is in favor of maintaining a strong defense and someone who thinks wars are great and we should be in them all the time. There's no indication that McCain is in favor of military adventurism.

Dave

I think at this point, Dave, you're just trolling the Ron Paul supporters...what is this, four Ron Paul articles in two weeks?

Man I do not envy you! McCain is an Very poor choice and you are defending the only survivor of "The Keating Five". I watched this man tell the MIA families to get stuffed. Perhaps you do not know what an MIA is, so all I will say is McCain has no love true the Military but he know how to make believe that he does.

All of the other Senator President Wantabes are poor choices too. They all share total responsibility for the current condition we are experiencing. 5.00 dollar a gallon fuel, 10% inflation, Soaring Fuel costs and the coming CDS crisis.

Did you ever hear of McCain Fine-Gold (SP) or how about Mr. White's enormous good natured behavor in the Senate. He has the reputation of begin a very poor loser and a down right mean ass. I have seen the behavior first hand and you can to on Youtube.

McCain can not remember what happened 45 minutes ago!

Mcain losing it

Media attacking his comments, statements and general screw ups.

I have heard him give great credit to all his Economic advisors to counter the FACT that he stated that he is not expert on the Economy. Did you know that the main one is personally responsible for lobbyist who pushed Congress to successfully remove the controls that enables investment banks to make sub-prime and CDOs the new get rich trick and now we have the MORTGAGE BOMB.

So I challenge you to prove that McCain is the a good choice to manage the government sponsored efforts to do anything. We ask out business executives to be the best of the best and here the GOP force feels us a senior dim wit that is to old for government service and a self admitted rubber stamper with a bad temper.

I will spend every penny I have to oust the GOP leadership and lay waste the proponent of the Politics of Fear. The Patriot Act must be repealed and the Government Reigned in NOW.

I got as far as the "John McCain is not pro-war" paragraph and "the actual war in Iraq is over", to see that this article is simply a hit piece on Ron Paul. More spin from a misled and dis-illusioned journalist.

Maybe you should tell the continuous flow of dead and wounded soldiers and my 23 y/o cousin, that was just sent to Iraq, that "the war is over".

You write the same propagnda as the people that wrote it during the Viet Nam war. I lost an Uncle in that one.

This is a pitiful article and you should give much more consideration to the good people that read this. Your condescending attitude towards Ron Paul supporters is wrong and not based on facts, just your emotions. Not good writing, with all due respect.

Mike S.
US Army
Disabled Veteran

Excellent article, clearly a McCain supporter wrote it. His own party is turning on him. I just came from a dinner party, where Republicans can't defend him and have a good political dinner debate. McCain is the Media's choice, just look at the way they excluded Ron Paul from the debates and marginalized him. They did that for the purpose to paint him as unelectable for a reason, to weed the garden of the good candidates and select McCain the weakest of all GOP Candidates. Now look at who is unelectable. I have a bet going that McCain doesn't make it through the GOP Convention. The bottom line, if you don't reassess your position and quickly, you are looking at the Next Global President, with Obama taking orders from the United Nations, no more USA. Did you hear about Obama's United Nations TAX on all Americans to combat Worldwide Poverty? Bill S 2433, Global Poverty Act

I'd submit that Ron Paul supporters wouldn't know a true Republican belief if it bit them on the ass. Their anti-corporate, anti-capitalist populism is totally alien to the traditions of the GOP. They're more like anarcho-socialists than Republicans or even libertarians.

Are you serious????!!!!! "Anarcho-socialists????!!!!!" You do realize that is an oxymoron....right? And not just any oxymoron, the most intense, brain exploding oxymoron that has ever been written. Holly crap man! You are an absolute fool! At least we know not to count on you for accurate definitions of political philosophies.

2000 - Bush subverted voting in FL, stole election
2001 - we all know what happened, and who did it.
2001 - America invades Afghanistan
2001 - Bush drops bomb on America with the Patriot Act.
2002 - Bush at a NATO summit declared that; "should Iraqi President Saddam Hussein choose not to disarm, the United States will lead a coalition of the willing to disarm him.
2003 - Shock and awe is underway in Iraq
Fast forward...
2008 - John McCain comes from nowhere and becomes the "presumptive nominee." (Is this a mystery to anyone else?)
My prediction?
McCain's cronies will buy the election for him because he is playing ball. The legion of Obama supporters being disenfranchised will riot like it's 1992. McCain's first order of business? To declare marshal law to get the rioting under control. His 2nd order of business will be to invade Iran.
The moral of this story? We're all fucked. Pack a lunch cause it's gonna be a long 4 years.

Here's how I see it:

Ron Paul can't win, although if he did, the direction of the country would improve for the better (overall; I disagree with him on some things).

John McCain may win, or he may lose. But even if he wins, he's going to start acting like a "moderate" Democrat the moment he takes office, as the Democrats will have a 40-50 seat majority in the House and a 5-10 seat majority in the Senate. He'll be little more than a rubber stamp for the Democrat majority in the Congress (except with regards to Iraq).

Either way, conservatives/libertarians/Constitutionalists are going to lose in November.

@ #12 -- June 8, 2008 @ 22:34PM -- RJ Elliott
Exactly RJ. That's why I didn't write anything in response to the "article" mr. Nalle "wrote". This "article" was meant as a poke in the eye to Dr. Paul and those who appreciate freedom and our Republic. I simply went straight to the core and addressed the real issue of mr. Nalle's lack of purpose, skill and his menial intelligence. As you may have noticed, he didn't respond to my initial post due to my hitting so close to the target.

He is perceived to be a Bush clone.

I find it hard to believe that more than a fraction of the public could be this simpleminded and uninformed.

He is perceived to have a short fuse.

Well, that's different from Bush, anyway. I find it bizarre that one group can fault him for being too accomodating while another faults him for being too rash. Contradictory.

He is perceived to be pro-war (although, here, I must echo Dan's query - The war is over???)

Sheesh, we've been over this before. By any normal definition, the war ended within a matter of a few months. Since then we've been involved in dealing with insurgents and terrorism and maintaining or creating peace. Soldiers still die in that kind of action. It can be damned dangerous. And it has certainly dragged on way too long. But with no defined and organized enemy army it's really not a war. We've gotten way too lazy with calling everything a war anyway.

Dave

"There's no indication that McCain is in favor of military adventurism."

What the hell are you talking about? The guy sang "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran"!

"Is there any way I can get off of this planet? Is there some room on the next shuttle flight? This fucking place is going to socialist hell in a hand basket." -Baritone

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"Another note: The Paulites sound a great deal like died-in-the-wool born again christians warning of the dire consequences of not heeding their call." -Baritone

=WTF Mate?!?!

That's the fucking envy of all contradictions if I've ever seen one. Anything to add Baritone? The world is going to end...... but anyone that says so is crazy!!!!!

it seems like the writer of this article is the one who needs a reality check. mccain is a total embarrassment as are the people who blindly support him. the GOP needs and deserves to go down after forcing this unpresidential CFR tied boob on the american people. he like obama is bought and sold and will lead us down the same path of destruction that bush has. if a huge lack of integrity, amnesty for illegals and yes war monger is what you want in a presidential candidate then it appears that you have your man. you might try looking at the bigger picture. the NAU/SPP, the CFR, the NWO and the FED.

I think at this point, Dave, you're just trolling the Ron Paul supporters...what is this, four Ron Paul articles in two weeks?

I've got two more in the works then a whole state convention to report on which will have some Ron Paul news in it.

It's kind of fascinating - like poking an ant mound with a stick. It's worth doing just to see the drones pour out of the mound in single-minded determination.

Dave

I think someone is just trying to justify their votes for McCain when they know they're wrong. Just my opinion

This is how McCain will win...this is not a joke. Everyone needs to see this if they haven't already.

Are you serious????!!!!!

Sometimes, not always.

"Anarcho-socialists????!!!!!" You do realize that is an oxymoron....right?

No, it's a standard political definition for a specific philosophy.

I refer you to the Wikipedia entries for Social Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism. I wouldn't go so far as to say that all Ron Paul supporters fall in this category, but some clearly do, and some of this ideology has definitely tainted the 'movement', with its emphasis on anti-war militancy, hostility towards capitalism and nativist/protectionist elements.

Dave

I've got two more in the works then a whole state convention to report on which will have some Ron Paul news in it.

What you "write" is not "reporting".

It's kind of fascinating - like poking an ant mound with a stick. It's worth doing just to see the drones pour out of the mound in single-minded determination.

I bet it's just driving you nuts not being able to respond when someone pokes back and reveals just what a waste of time, space and air you are.

I think someone is just trying to justify their votes for McCain when they know they're wrong. Just my opinion

I've never voted for McCain in a primary and never had the opportunity in a general election. I held my nose and voted for Ron Paul in the GOP primary. In the fall I won't be voting for Obama. Beyond that I want to see how McCain shapes up. I'm relatively positively impressed with Bob Barr, but I just don't see him winning coming out of the LP.

Dave

RM. I'm a writer. I write straight news and I write editorial material. This article is an opinion piece, though it contains factual material. See my second most recent article for a factual news piece on a Ron Paul related issue. I even write fiction and poetry.

Since some people - you included apparently - can't tell the difference between News and Opinion, Blogcritics provides a convenient tag at the top of each article to TELL you if it's news or opinion or something else.

Dave

"The actual war in Iraq is over"

How do you figure that, if I may ask? I mean, I suppose you could say that the war has been over since May of 2003, when the daring 'mission accomplished' speech was delivered. In that case, though, I'm not really sure why Americans have been dying on Iraq's desert battle fields for the past five years. Hm...

And you know where else I've heard the phrase 'mission accomplished'? From John McCain, in that same year. So much for hate...

RM. I'm a writer.

Yes, yes. I'm sure that your mommy keeps telling you that. Everyone else just sniggers under their breath. No worries, it's not like the ladies take you seriously anyways.

Hey dude - thanks for doing a report on www.lettertogop.com, the signature count is now at 5500, I'm sure you brought some traffic to the site yourself...welcome to the r3VOLution.

I believe there are a great number of "simple minded" voters out there. They managed to elect a simple minded president - twice.

These same simpletons are certainly capable of espousing contradictory positions.


"We've gotten way too lazy with calling everything a war anyway."

I disagree. What constitutes "war" has changed dramatically since Vietnam or even Korea. The government persisted in referring to the Korean conflict as a "police action." The nature of warfare hardly resembles that we came to understand through WWII.

And the Bushies never fail to remind us that we are in fact "at war." If people are deployed to a foreign nation and incur hostilities from an organized enemy, or enemies, that, for my money, constitutes war.

It seems that most commenters here assume a McCain victory in November. I guess even typing out the words 'President Obama' is just too much for all you conservative, Reps, Libertars, or Paulites to bear.

I'm still looking for some "conservative care package" suggestions.

B-tone

"I refer you to the Wikipedia entries for Social Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism. I wouldn't go so far as to say that all Ron Paul supporters fall in this category, but some clearly do, and some of this ideology has definitely tainted the 'movement', with its emphasis on anti-war militancy, hostility towards capitalism and nativist/protectionist elements."

If you read through those articles you linked, you would see that the description of those "philosophies" are just as contradictory as their title suggests. It is silly to use them to make any serious point.

"This equality and freedom would be achieved through the abolition of authoritarian institutions and private property,[2] in order that direct control of the means of production and resources will be gained by the working class and society as a whole. Libertarian socialism also constitutes a tendency of thought that informs the identification, criticism and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of social life. Accordingly libertarian socialists believe that "the exercise of power in any institutionalized form - whether economic, political, religious, or sexual - brutalizes both the wielder of power and the one over whom it is exercised."

Is it even possible to abolish property rights without exercising institutional power? If you don't see the silliness in that description, I am sorry. If you use that to describe Ron Paul supporters, you know nothing of this movement.

I believe by just these sorts of articles prove the impact on the Republican Party. To be honest the Republican Party bosses aren't worried about that letter as much as their worried about being thrown out of their leadership roles. This election doesn't mean anything to hardcore Republicans but the Ron Paul movement definitely does.

The letter has 4,000 signatures, which is a lot? Over two million people in the U.S. are suffering from schizophrenia today, not to mention bipolar and other serious mental illnesses. It should be easy to find over 4,000 people to sign that Ron Paul letter.

I quit reading once you tried to convince me it was a lie that McCain was pro-war. I'm not a big fan of satire really.

NALLE- WE TRUE PATRIOTS IE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS SEE THROUGH YOUR FASCIST RANTS TO YOUR ROLE IN THE JEW BANKER CONSPIRACY THAT IS RUINING THE COUNTRY. PRESIDENT RON PAUL WILL PUT THE WHITE MAN BACK IN CHARGE OF THIS CHRISTIAN COUNTRY. YOUR DAY WILL COME, JEW-LOVER. YEE-HAW!

ok, please don't tell me that i was the only one nauseated by that.

Perhaps not, RM, but you may have been the only one not to get the satire.

Off his meds, too...:>)

You need the reality check. It's a waste of time responding to your points. The bottom line is that Ron Paul had no media coverage and his percentage in recent primaries has been rising up to almost 25% against someone who was the presumed nominee... How can you explain such grassroots support? Open your eyes and wake up. The neocons and McCain are for war (Iran is next...). What a wasted article. This country has no choice come November unless Ron Paul's name is on the ballot.

Check out: McCain: Mr. Straight Talk

Al B. is welcome to shamelessly promote his rather interesting blog article on my comments thread anytime.

Dave

america is in great shape, let's not try to make it better

McCain is not Pro-war?? I am laughing so hard right now my side is hurting. McCain thinks we should be in Iraq for 100 years, remember that little remark? Not to mention he is a liberal who supports Al Gores Global Warming Plan. The Paul supporters are the most active people putting forward the most effort and competing in every way possible including the local level. I am inspired by these great people and I have decided to join them. If this was just a presidential run to become president Ron Paul would just quit. This is a movement and it will outlast the Ron Paul legacy. It is the idea we support not as much as the man. That is what you neocons don't get were not just going to give up. The fight has just begun.

Liberty is Calling!

I'm sixty years old. Not an old man, but certainly not a young one. I didn't "dodge the draft," but I drew a 'big number' in the lottery and never got drafted. However, I never had a problem with anyone that left the country because of the draft. I figured that as an American we have sole ownership of ourselves. I still do!

I find it interesting that this discussion seems to be pivoting about "war" in some fashion or another. I dare say that I believe that most everyone commenting has no "firsthand knowledge" about whether or not we should be "at war" with the Iraqis. I'm also "sure" that most of you never stop to contemplate the horror that a war represents to the Iraqi people.

I see a lot of bickering back and forth, and it reminds me of high school debate. There does not seem to be any solid philosophical positions taken by those opposed to Dr. Paul.

I guess I have to ask the question: Is it better to trade with your neighbor or to overpower him and capture his goods?

"It's an interesting document, because it encapsulates in a nutshell a broad selection of the misinformation and delusion on which their campaign is based, and it also exposes some of the ways in which their John Birch Society inspired agenda deviates substantially from traditional libertarianism." - D.N.

I read and re-read the letter three times, and I still can't see how the above sentence relates to it at all.
Also, since Ron Paul is a member of the republican party, how could his deviating from traditional libertarianism be an issue? He's a conservative!

McCain is not Pro-war?? I am laughing so hard right now my side is hurting. McCain thinks we should be in Iraq for 100 years, remember that little remark?

Be in Iraq, not be at war in Iraq. Vital difference. A long term presence in the region is not the same as being at war there. Might even be a way NOT to be at war.

Not to mention he is a liberal who supports Al Gores Global Warming Plan.

Never said he was perfect, just that he's better than Obama.

The Paul supporters are the most active people putting forward the most effort and competing in every way possible including the local level. I am inspired by these great people and I have decided to join them.

I still give them limited support. I just can't sign on for the craziness which goes with all the good stuff.

If this was just a presidential run to become president Ron Paul would just quit. This is a movement and it will outlast the Ron Paul legacy.

Once the movement gets past Paul I think it stands a chance of getting something done. I doin't see that happeneing yet.

It is the idea we support not as much as the man. That is what you neocons don't get were not just going to give up. The fight has just begun.

You need to learn who is and is not a neocon before you're going to make much progress. Calling real libertarians neocons just makes you look ignorant.

Dave

Well, let's just stop pretending that McCain is an antidote for what ails us. He's more of the same, Bush III, or whatever you call him. The Republican Party, lost in the haze of WWII glories and remembrances, old and fatigued, is ready to die. Through Bush I and II, the Republican Party has relished the Cold War, the Iraq Wars, and the embrace of rampant colonialism throughout the world. The Republican Party is a top-down, Stalinistic organization that bows to the masters of multinational businesses and corporatism, and seeks out the most base elements of American society (fundamentalists and warmongers) to complete its mission. Yes, McCain will do well with these groups.

But the game is up. Many people are tired of anything that smells like Bush and the idiotocracy that he has created. I am not pro-Obama, but it looks like anything different this year will sell.

Also, since Ron Paul is a member of the republican party, how could his deviating from traditional libertarianism be an issue? He's a conservative!

But..but..but..his followers all claim he's a (small l) libertarian. But you've hit the nail on the head. He's not a libertarian and he's not a republican (again, small r). He's something else.

Keep an eye out for my future article..."Ron Paul is Not a Libertarian."

Dave

This piece is probably the most un-objective amount of information I've ever read. Mc Cain is completely pro-war, to say he isn't pro-war because he isnt for starting new wars is ridiculous. Your argument, first off, isnt even compatible because he wants war with Iran, he's joked about bombing them and advocates a policy of intervention, he has even stated he would prefer their government to be overthrown, etc. You are a moron and people who read this should treat these lines of information typed from your fingers as they are, another way to divert attention from the real issue as to why Ron Paul supporters despise Mc Cain. We hate Mc Cain because he doesn't represent our country. 70% of the American people want us out of Iraq, Mc Cain doesn't want us out. Research something before typing, I know it's hard for people like you, but please do. Thanks.

I just wish I could understand why I'm considered a "drone". I'm certainly not "an idle person who lives off others" nor am I "a loafer". I have to assume that you mean more like a blind follower. However, even if that's what you meant you missed by a mile. Contrary to popular belief I think that most Paulites are much more discerning in their political leanings. For myself I tend to follow up on statements that politicians make and I've found Dr. Paul to be pretty consistent.

Another thing I don't understand is the common belittling of Dr. Paul's insistence on following the Constitution. Is there something wrong with doing so? Is he misreading it somehow? I never seem to get an answer to that one, like its some secret that's closely held by a benign group of elders who just don't want to upset me.

McCain's poor control of his temper has been pretty well documented.

I understand your reference to the "actual war" being over but when a country has 140k+ troops controlling a country and many of the residents don't like it I think we could classify it as pretty much a war.

And I think its safe to say that he is in favor of military solutions to political problems. He considers the Iraq war "necessary and just" even though we know that the invasion of Iraq was neither necessary nor just. He has also joked about bombing Iran. Not your crispiest cookie in the pack.

I think that most Paulites are reasonable people who are tired of unreasonable behavior by politicians. We see that in general our government has simply gone to far in most things and we would like to downsize it to a reasonable level.

"'Anarcho-socialists????!!!!!" You do realize that is an oxymoron....right?'
No, it's a standard political definition for a specific philosophy.

I refer you to the Wikipedia entries for Social Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism."

Point of order.
Social Anarchism, even as defined by wikipedia, a source no academic takes completely seriously, is in no way "Socialism" as in government enforced and sponsored redistribution of wealth.

But sure if you want to be diluted and think that they are the same philosophy, be my guest. Just saying it's better to check your "factually based" opinions on something other then wikipedia, saves on the embarrassment, if being from Texas wasn't enough of one.

One thing I do agree though is we shouldn't be lazy and define every thing as WAR, Iraq is an extended military police action. And we should define it as such, as by that definition it is clearly a violation of our constitution. You know that thing that also forbids foreign intervention except in the case of a war on our soil.

Point of order.
Social Anarchism, even as defined by wikipedia, a source no academic takes completely seriously, is in no way "Socialism" as in government enforced and sponsored redistribution of wealth.

Wikipedia draws those entries from reputable sources. Check the footnotes. As for anarchism and socialism, the fact is that they are NOT incompatible. If anarchism gets rid of ALL property and ALL wealth, then socialism no longer involves redistribution of wealth because there is none. Socialism only involves redistribution of wealth in a capitalist society with property ownership. Get rid of that and it all changes.

But sure if you want to be diluted and think that they are the same philosophy, be my guest.

Of course they're not the same, but the reason you apply a hyphenated name is that elements can be combined to produce a hybrid of the two.

Just saying it's better to check your "factually based" opinions on something other then wikipedia,

I didn't need to check Wikipedia. I just linked to it to make it easy for you. My years as a libertarian, my reading in political philosophy and my time as an academic make me more than cognizant, off the top of my head of what the terms mean and how they relate.

saves on the embarrassment, if being from Texas wasn't enough of one.

Ron Paul is from Texas, remember?

And we should define it as such, as by that definition it is clearly a violation of our constitution. You know that thing that also forbids foreign intervention except in the case of a war on our soil.

You need to actually READ the Constitution sometime. Your first point is debatable and the SC has ruled that your interpreation is wrong and that the AUMF is in fact a declaration of war. And your second statement is pure bollocks.

The one valid point is that the AUMF under the Constitution should not have been allowed to have a term of more than 2 years, but the argument there is that subsequent acts have effectively renewed or reissued the AUMF.

Dave

"the idea that McCain has close ties with Bush is just something they want people to believe and not supported by the facts. McCain and Bush actively hate each other."

So you are going to analyze a piece on the facts and then state "McCain and Bush actively hate each other." Do you realize how that makes everything you say not credible. Anybody who reads your piece needs to realize you are no better than the letter they support.

Go to college and learn a skill.

TJ, what actual evidence do you have that Bush and McCain are bosom buddies? Would it be Bush's use of a rumor that McCain had a black baby against him in the 2000 election? I bet that's a great way to start a longtime friendship. Or perhaps it was McCain's active opposition to Bush's efforts to circumvent FISA and the Geneva Convention? Bush loves people who try to screw with his plans. I bet they held hands after that.

Please, don't be a tard. It's politics. They'll work together because the alternative is worse. Doesn't mean they like each other.

Dave

you wrote, "McCain has never presented himself as 'pro-war' -- that's just their interpretation."

let me remind you of that little ditty he sang, I believe it goes: "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." You've heard it.

And, why is it necessary to "interpret" his stance on war? Don't you think we've had enough of that crap? How about someone who says it like it is? Someone with INTEGRITY and HONESTY for a change?

you added, "The actual war in Iraq is over and McCain is not currently advocating any other new wars."

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? The war in Iraq is OVER? Wow, I gotta get me one of them time machines too. "...not currently advocating any other new wars..." see above.

What saddens me the most is that this is all very simple. So simple, a monkee can understand it. Really. Our country has LAWS. If they are violated, it is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to make noise about it. Unless of course, you are unamerican. DUH.

Ok, if everyone is through watching mr. Nalle stroke himself in this mental masturbation that he likes to think of a "journalism". You just encourage him by responding to his "points", and it post-pones his getting a life.

let me remind you of that little ditty he sang, I believe it goes: "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." You've heard it.

Why do the Paulistas bring that up again and again? Is having a sense of humor illegal now? Or is it because they have no sense of humor that they find McCain having one offensive?

How about someone who says it like it is? Someone with INTEGRITY and HONESTY for a change?

Sounds great. Can I add that he not be a racist, homophobe or religious nutcase?

What saddens me the most is that this is all very simple. So simple, a monkee can understand it. Really. Our country has LAWS. If they are violated, it is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to make noise about it. Unless of course, you are unamerican. DUH.

Seig Heil! Obey the law! Obery ALL the laws! Obey the PATRIOT ACT! Obey the MCA! Obey FISA! Obey Real ID! Obey, obey. Don't think, just obey! If Congress passes it then it must be good. Obey!

Dave

what a tool

He killed 167 sailors on the USS Forestal when he wet started his airplane and his admiral daddy had him transferred before the smoke cleared. Then he got captured and "songbird" McCain gave away information that killed countless others. He should get a noose instead of a political seat; however, I'm not an American and I hate American's so, you deserve him.

You said he is not advocating new wars hmmm ok. Did you forget already of his speech which he said there will be more wars. Oh and lets not forget the 100 years in Iraq statement he made. Try again buddy.

Sir you are delusional, and you are doing a great disservice to this country by promoting John McCain, if you love your country ,love your children and are concerned about their future, you will vote Ron Paul, please stop with this nonsense journalism.

"let me remind you of that little ditty he sang, I believe it goes: "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." You've heard it.

Why do the Paulistas bring that up again and again? Is having a sense of humor illegal now?"

There is nothing funny about a candidate for the United States singing about bombing another country. This would not be acceptable for any other world leader and certainly not for the President of the United States. The fact that you think the war in Iraq is over, that McCain is not pro-war and that singing about bombing Iran is funny destroys completely your credibility in writing about politics.

Honestly this article has too many mistakes to even spend time correcting you on it. Ron Paul's policies are the same as Bush's in 2000 and Reagan. Reagan helped Ron Paul get elected. It's a shame people like you get a forum to which you can post drivel like this. Your obvious man love for McCain is clearly clouding your vision. He is a liberal and a flip flopping liar. It's hard to even know what McCain believes in because he says different things depending on who is listening. Honestly, Hillary would have been a more Republican candidate than McCain is. You clearly have shot yourself in the foot, but don't worry McCain will take that gun away as soon as possible....look at his voting record. Conservative.....HA!!!

He killed 167 sailors on the USS Forestal when he wet started his airplane

Multiple eyewitnesses said he wasn't even IN his plane when it happened. Perhaps they were all lying. Of course they were. It's a conspiracy, right?

Dave

It's a shame people like you get a forum to which you can post drivel like this.

Indeed, let's start rewriting the Constitution by getting rid of the first amendment.

Your obvious man love for McCain is clearly clouding your vision.

Love of the truth is all it takes, McCain is just in the right place at the right time.

Honestly, Hillary would have been a more Republican candidate than McCain is.

Wow, you really are deranged.

You clearly have shot yourself in the foot, but don't worry McCain will take that gun away as soon as possible....look at his voting record.

That would be the voting record where he voted against the Brady Assault weapon ban and against shutting down gun shows and against magazine size limits, right?

Dave

Let's take a look. Ron Paul gives a large part of his federal compensation package back to the Treasury or does not spend it (our money, folks).
John McCain will not even follow his own campaign finance law. Who is more honest? I'll take a chance on the guy who speaks truth. McCain has shown he is nothing but a whore of a politician, willing to say or do ANYTHING to get elected, as will most of our elected reps. Dr. Paul just repeats his message. At least we know where Paul stands. McCain will do whatever the polls or his CFR handlers require. Lots of mininformation in this article. So sad for our country. Am reading the book "The Forgotten Man" about the '20's, '30's and '40's. Amazing how little politics has changed over the years. Hoover and Roosevelt really moved the "governmnet can fix your ills" mindset forward. Unforeseen fallout from these programs still poison us to this day. Check my facts, but I believe during this time that American Aluminum was targeted as a monopoly or with higher taxes and it was reporesented to the people as a large company taking advantage of employees and the consumer. This despite the fact that the price of aluminum fell during the twenty years prior to this government imposition? Folks, our government has become too large and is now dictating to US, rather than us dictating to THEM. We have created a class of professional politicians that do not have the best interests of the county at heart. My suggestion is to vote out all incumbents in almost every election cycle. One should not be able to have a career based on deceit and taxation of one's countrymen. I mean, John Warner, Ted Kennedy? Over 40 years in congress for each of them is way too long. I am no fan of term limits but we also should not put up with a rigged election game that gives incumbents all the advantages.

Ron Paul's lack of knowledge about foreign policy?
What? Did you really say that? He's the ONLY candidate that when he talks about foreign policy he uses details AND he is right: we are resented in the middle east ( and western europe ) because we occupy their countries. How many foreign countries have military bases in the U.S.? ZERO. Why? Because we'd never allow that crap! We'd be fighting mad if China tried to set up camp in the Gulf of Mexico for example. It's not really rocket sceience. What is McCain's reasoning? They hate us because we're free and prosperous? Then why dont' they hate Switzerland and the nordic countries and Canada? Oh that's right. McCain said once that they hate us because we are THE MOST free and prosperous. Who are the brain dead morons that hear that and go "that's right!"?

I grew up under Reagan, voted for Bush Sr., voted Libertarian when my party ran Bob Dole, voted for Bush Jr. twice and have supported Republicans at every level of government from local to state to national. I'm a Conservative first and a Republican second. I say all this to prove my credentials and put the leadership of the Republican party on notice. I will NOT support McCain or any other RINO in the future and nothing you wrote in the article will change it. The Neo-cons and RINO's have control of the party and they have destroyed it by not governing by the principles they supposedly believe in. Not only am I not voting McCain, I will influence every Conservative to do the same. If the Republican party is not punished for saying one thing and then doing the opposite, just pray tell how will the party be forced to change? McCain epitomizes every thing wrong in the Republican party.

This sums it up nicely!

Mr. Nalle:

You would not recognize a real Conservative republican because you are poisoned by neocon lack of principle.

Dr. Paul is the most principled legislator in DC-dare I say, the most principled politician this country has seen in years.

I will not feel sorry for you later when you regret that you maligned a true Republican and patriot who loves America.

Wow! Dave, if you're going to title something like this a "reality check" you might want to get a better grip on reality.

I wish I had said this but Jack Hunter does a good job of beating me to the punch on this one.

The dividing line on the Right these days IS foreign policy and war. How come someone like Sean Hannity will kiss a technocratic, socialized medicine-loving moderate like Mitt Romney's ass, even calling him a "conservative?" Because Romney supports an interventionist foreign policy. Why did Hannity spend the early part of the primary heavily promoting Rudy Giuliani? - an anti-gun, partial birth abortion supporting social liberal, who is to the left of Hillary Clinton on gay marriage and a host of other issues? Because Rudy wants to stay in Iraq and wants to start bombing Iran.

Despite McCain/Feingold, his amnesty proposal, his signing on to stop "global warming," and a host of other liberal misdeeds, most Republicans will vote for McCain over Obama for one reason and one reason only - foreign policy. They vote for McCain because he's good on the "War on Terror." It's all he's got - and McCain's entire candidacy is that of the war candidate. Jack Hunter sums it up nicely!

Dave Nalle you are corrupted journalist, and therefore ANTI-AMERICAN.

Shame on you!!

Carlo C.
Miami, FL

This is little more than a weak hit piece. If the good docter were so irrelevant, I wonder why so much effort is expended calling him and his supporters names.

Well, James. I take the time to write about Ron Paul and his supporters because I'm tired of fanatics. I've had enough of people who use ideology instead of reason, and the Paulistas are just another group for me to add on to my list along with the religious right and islamic radicals and earthfirsters and various forms of dogmatic socialists.

Some Ron Paul supporters do manage to think for themselves and want to move beyond the hate speech and divisiveness to actually improve and reform the GOP. I stand right with them. But as demonstrated in the responses to this and other articles, most of them - the ones I call Paulistas (Paulbots being played out) are the worst kind of irrational sheep repeating meaningless mantras from JBS leaflets and generally polluting the political environment.

So repeat your more palatable talking points here, and then send me your real thoughts in email about how the jews are secretly controlling the administration and McCain and the media and the banks. Your own hate and irrationality damns you in the eyes of rational, freedom-loving people everywhere.

Dave

Why is there even a debate here?

It doesn't matter who's pro-war and who's anti-war; who will follow the constitution and who is the better foreign policy wonk.

JOHN MCCAIN IS THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

RON PAUL LOST.

HE IS NOT THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

NOT ENOUGH REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR HIM; HE'S FINISHED, DONE.

IT'S OVER.

Dave, once again your analysis is flawed. This time semantically.

You opine that by "any normal definition, the war ended within a matter of a few months." My dictionary defines of war as a "state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties."

Most sensible people would agree that the dictionary definition is accurate.

Therefore, to any sane and coherent observer, the Iraq War, which has cost the US more than 4000 military deaths and half a trillion dollars, has still not ended. And this enormous cost is mounting daily!

You disappoint me Dave, but then I'd guess that war is merely an abstract term to you. You've obviously never served in the armed services and never fired a shot in anger.

Let's just see how many Republican votes he gets in November, Clavos. If the leadership of the Republican party throws the evangelicals and the libertarian, constitutionalists under the bus and tries to replace it with independents and democrats, see where it will end up. I predict a huge loss for the Republicans.

"and the reprehensible 9/11 Truth movement"

Firstly, just to be clear, much of the 9/11 truth movement supports Ron Paul because he is open to limited government and government transparency. NOT because he believes 9/11 was an inside job (which he does not).

That said, Mr. Nalle, and considering that you think the 9/11 truth movement, of which I am a proud member, is "reprehensible", what I want to know is when are you going to write an article about us?

Come on, I know you want to. You probably even have your little Popular Mechanics book with a bunch of highlighted portions ready and raring to go . . .

Eloy Gonzalez II
9/11 truth activist

So, if I understand your reasoning correctly, you believe that a bloc of voters 1.1 million strong is a "fringe". Lol. You are pretty dumb.

If the leadership of the Republican party throws the evangelicals and the libertarian, constitutionalists under the bus

Makes no sense. If they were to throw the evangelicals under the bus they'd win over a lot of the libertarians they'd otherwise lose.

Dave

That said, Mr. Nalle, and considering that you think the 9/11 truth movement, of which I am a proud member, is "reprehensible", what I want to know is when are you going to write an article about us?

I already have. Several of them in fact.

So, if I understand your reasoning correctly, you believe that a bloc of voters 1.1 million strong is a "fringe".

Less than 1% of the electorate? What would you call it?

Dave

This November we will have the usual false choice between Left Wing Socialism and Right Wing Socialism. Take your pick, flip a coin, whatever.

Ron Paul is certainly not perfect, but he's not a socialist, and that's why so many of us supported his candidacy.

"Let's just see how many Republican votes he gets in November, Clavos."

No argument from me, Chuck. I didn't say the Repubs would win the general, only that McCain is their nominee, so debate about who's the better man between Paul and McCain is pointless.

Obama is the next prez. he will be even if the Republicans were able to resurrect Abe Lincoln as their nominee.

And I hope the Republican party does throw the evangelicals under the bus; that should have been done long ago.

Makes no sense...ok Dave, Answer this then.

and also this today.

You think I'm not making sense? Am I unreasonable to deduce this from these articles that the direction of the McCain campaign is not exactly what I said.

Riigghhtt!

Why don't you McCain supporters come on out of the democrat closet and quit pretending to be conservative. Hehehe.

While the Constitution is used as toilet paper by both so-called mainstream parties,the Republicans and the Democrats; we blog and argue and fiddle while the republic burns. How sad!

I enjoyed the blogging. I agree with some of your statements and disagree with others. For brevity sake I will use your own words to illustrate the main difference of opinion I have with you.

Dave says:

"We all want change for the better and would like to have a nation which honors liberty and individual rights as a first priority. The hard truth is that you can't accomplish those goals with every branch of the government under the control of a Democratic party dominated by socialists and internationalists. They'll throw away our sovereignty and our rights and there will be no one to stop them."

The only problem with this statement is you fail to point out that the Republican party is dominated by socialists and internationalists too.

Truth bit me in the ass. I'm voting for Dr. Paul no matter what. It's better than staying at home doing nothing.

The Republicans need war to divert our attention away from the taxing, spending and lack of respect for the rule of law.

Dave, accepting money from any industry that kills or spies for the Department of Defense is "pro-war," regardless of how one votes. Votes don't talk. Money talks. Nobody said it was the ONLY consideration, either. Just the main one.

Obama didn't vote for the war, but voted FOR the "Patriot Act." thus benefitting all of the contractors who support him.

More importantly, Obama received the MOST money from war contractors - do your research. You have no business writing about politics if you didn't know that.

Do you think it was any coincidence that Obama met with AIPAC the same day he locked the nomination? The same day Israel starts rattling sabers against Iran?

Even the Hollywood liberals and San Francisco activists complain about the "Jewish-run media." Do you think an Obama/AIPAC neverending war in the middle east might help the media both profit AND brainwash the masses? How about McCain's 100-year war? Yup, media benefits again.

Ron Paul and that boring old peace and liberty will never sell commercials on the war media channels. But, he seems to generate lots of traffic to free media like your blog. Hmm... Go figure. A bit ironic, eh?

But, again Dave, you failed to acknowledge that the media DID play a part in that. Just like you're doing now. Accentuate the negative, eliminate the positive.

As for McCain and his "military adventurism," I can sum that up in just two of his quotes ... "I hate the gooks," and "Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb Iran." This guy was locked in a dungeon for crying out loud - his perspective does NOT represent America.

Ron Paul is the only person in politics that has actually voted against the socialists and internationalist you correctly point out, Dave.

BTW...The lettertogop.com sig count is now almost 6,000. Keep spreading the site around and I predict alot more sigs.

Dave,
I would just like to thank you for responding, and to pardon my self for the dig on Texas, and I am aware that Ron Paul is from there. But I'm not saying if that detracts of exacerbates the embarrassment of hailing from the long horn state. You assumed, brashly and incorrectly, that because I hold certain opinions about your government's constitution, which I have read, that I must be an ignorant paulionian. When the truth is I'm a American Student/Instructor who lives in Costa Rica, and as far as ignorant I do hold a bachelors in Political Science, a BA in International Business/Latin American Studies,and BS in Geological Science from San Diego State University. I also will be completing my thesis for in Soil Sciences this summer and graduating from California Poly-technical University, San Luis Obispo.
But obviously no one knows as much as you. So I bow to your brain.

Mr. Nalle,
Voted for Ron Paul in PA. I don't believe a word that comes out of McCain's mouth or Obama's. They both the wear the same empty suit but just have a different tie. I do believe that the GOP has lost its way and is unlikely to return to its senses. Since turning 18 in '97 I have consistently voted republican. This will be the first time that I will look into third party candidates and write in's.


I really do not know what you represent as Ron Paul's "wacko" positions. Name them and reveal your own ignorance or extremism.

I think Ron Paul and all Americans that are awake enough to see that his message is correct, are getting swcrewed. Even an idiot can see, that when Dr. Paul speaks, what he is saying is the truth. We need this man desporatly in the white house to put this country back on the right track. If anyone votes for a Dem or Rep. just because that is thier party, then we deserve exactly what we get. This man won every debate, raised more money than anyother candidate, and has the nation at heart. Do somthing right, just ounce in your life and live free like we should be.

I have lived in this country as a natural born citizen for 62 yrs. I have seen this country get worse every elction year because the people that run for election, only tell you what they think you want to hear, just to get elected. Same old message year after year, come on people wake up...can't you see that the Ron Paul message is different than the rest. I have been hearing that same message my whole life and no change. Lets do it right, lets make the government go by the constitution again and horness thier power and do it right...we are going down big time if we don't...The value of dollar alone will tell you that...C'on, Please wake up...Please.

"McCain has never presented himself as 'pro-war' -- that's just their interpretation. The actual war in Iraq is over and McCain is not currently advocating any other new wars. That McCain supports keeping troops in Iraq until the country is past its current troubles is more of an anti-war position, since our presence there reduces the level of violence and the risk of Iranian invasion and a full-scale war."

This is classic! Thanks a lot PoliSci professor. "since our presence there reduces the level of violence" I had to re-quote it was so good.

Do you pay any attention? The only reason there is fighting in Iraq is because we are there, if we leave, the violence stops, said by their ambassadors to our congress last week. But its tough to watch the news when you have all these convictions clouding up your mind...

WORST ARTICLE EVER

I just signed the letter.

Bait, switch. Bait, switch.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for adding the link to the letter! I've now signed it and passed it on to those I know as well. It has well over 5000 signatures at the time of this writing. I don't know what the point of your article was supposed to be - another slam against our Constitution and those who support it, I suppose. But the net effect is the mass circulation of the letter to the GOP and signatures from many who would have never otherwise seen it. A good many of us plan to write in Ron Paul anyway in November. This letter will help solidify that fact in the minds of the GOP elite who are unwilling to acknowledge the Constitution, Ron Paul's leadership and the thousands of his supporters that will NOT vote for John McCain. Thank you once again! -dixon cannon

Hmm, Dixon Cannon - nice name! Sounds like a character from a 1950s pulp novel...

'Dixon Cannon: Private Eye.'

:-)

As with Ross Perot, Ron Paul's supporters will decide who wins this election. The rest of the Republicans can either embrace Ron Paul or lose. Their choice. I'm guessing as they're the 1 of 4 idiots in this country that continue to support Bush, they won't be smart enough to change course. So it looks like a wrap for Obama to me.

It seems a waste of time to nitpick all the blighted and manipulative statements in this article.

Why don't we all encourage a Paul-McCain debate?

That's something both sides should agree on, right?

It seems a waste of time to nitpick all the blighted and manipulative statements in this article.

Why don't we all encourage a Paul-McCain debate?

That's something both sides should agree on, right?

"Writing articles about Paul and the Paulistas is rather like picking at a scab. It's painful and disgusting, but somehow impossible to resist.
Plus, it gets me all kinds of hits when I'm feeling very lonely and empty inside.

Dave"

There, fixed it for you...

OMG .. I got all the way to page 3 and then you called Ron Paul "anti-capitalist". You are the dumbest, most ignorant, uniformed retard to ever attempt political commentary. You haven't a clue what Ron Paul advocates. He is the best defender of Capitalism ever to reach this level of exposure in my lifetime. You had a couple okay points in retaliation to the letter from Paul's supporters, but you really need to get your head out of your ass and pay attention. 20 years from now after you are a proud citizen of the USRA (United Socialist Republic of America) why don't you take a moment and read Ron Paul's book to learn a little bit about capitalism and what it is supposed to look like. Until then enjoy your two party system of Democratic socialism/fascism (Democrat/Republican).

Ahhh! The old "lesser of two evils" argument!!!

These two parties depend on that argument for survival. "We have to elect McCain because he's a little bit better!" This explosion of bureaucracy will continue under either administration.

I agree with your points about electability, but come on, Ron Paul advocates "anti-corporate, anti-capitalist populism"? Are you out of your mind? He's the only candidate who understands capitalism. It is not anti-corporate to put a check on how much influence can had on policy by corporations with enough money to get a seat at the table. That is why the authors of the Constitution warned against the existence of a Central Bank. Capitalism demands a seperation between government and the economy. You are well misinformed on this.

Ron Paul may be flawed as a candidate, but you miss the point. His candidacy is about less government. Not no government. How is that not republican? What's republican about increasing the size of government 27% in 8 years? Since the war is over, what exactly needs to happen for us to get out? How long can we afford to maintain this foriegn policy of nation building? How can we justify paying interest on our government's debts to a privately owned Central Bank? These are valid questions that no one else is asking.

You offer a lot of misrepresentations Dr. Paul's positions and attack him personally. The letter is certainly flawed, but your response to it makes you sound misguided and misinformed.

The Iraq people dont even want us there so why are we. And terrorism isnt a gender or a nationality, its a way of thinking, you cant just have a genocide, therefore you will never rid the world or even a single country of terrorism. You cant destroy a way of thinking. There have been terrorist attacks since the begining of estabished countries. Anyone who is still in support of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is pro-war. We need an imediate withdraw. They cant take care of themselves, they have a president dont they? Dictator whatever you want to call it, let him deal with it. If this was honestly a real war, it would have been over the week it started. This is The United States. They are a raindrop compared to us. If they were a real threat we'd blow them up like nothing. They dont have nething on us. But its not a real war we are their for oil and power, we arnt fighting their army we are fighting them. People are coming out of their houses to kill our soldiers. If some other country came here to "help" like we do for iraq. Then we would be the ones coming out of our houses to fight, not because its a legit war but because its an aggressive invasion. There are a million more points i can make but im tired of typing now but I could go on for hours on why we need to leave. The bottom line is anybody who is still for the war is not capable of running our country. If you cant acknowledge the main problem this country is on a downfall then you have no right stepping foot into the whitehouse. and for those who think we cant pull out right away, you think that because the administrators have told you (not personally probably from cnn or fox or something) it will be a disaster and they wont be able to stand by themselves, well those people are the same people who said it would be a cake walk, why should we listen to them they have been wrong the whole time. Im not saying vote Ron Paul, im just saying you do have a brain and i wish some to think for themselves and put the logic togather enough to vote smart. John McCain is the dumbest vote you can cast.

Ron Paul's supporters will decide who wins this election.

As of last count Paul had gotten what, less than 1 million popular votes?

Lots of loonies posting on the internet doesn't actually mean lots of real support.

Dave

The thing I like best about Ron Paul is that his very existence rankles someone in this "sinister cabal of superior writers."

That has to be worth a vote or two.

I think hes at a littl over 1.1 million. And you have to remember that like 14 states or something like that had caucusses and not primarys. and caucusses only show like 10% of the population. So if every state had a primary and not a caucuss he would probably be around 1.7 million

thanks for writing about the letter, we are getting alot of signers from here;)

Read it,Sign it and Spread it www.lettertogop.com

you will have contact info when needed;) it hasn't even been released to press yet,the egg hasn't even been cracked open, SPREAD FAR AND WIDE

Mr. Nalle,

Your article is typical for a neocon. This is one republican voter you, and your presumed nominee McCain has not conned.

When I read this this is what I take from it. The last gasp of a Neo Con. It is written as to appear just plain reasonable. It is meant to come across as, " after all, we all know Ron Paul is wacky, and McCain is just a solid good guy" Its presumptious and transparent. This movement to get the Republican party back inline with the tennents of the original Republican party doesnt stop with this election. This globalist, interventionist, big government, frakenstein posing as the GOP is in it's last throws. And nothing will drive that point home better than when Obama beats the pants off of McBush. Neo Con, your days are over. We want our party back, and we HAVE JUST BEGUN!

dave open your eyes, you call ron paul supporters loony?? look in the mirror ;)

"Putting aside the fact that our trade deficits are smaller than they have been in decades" You are incredibly wrong. The trade deficit is over 5% of GDP and the modest improvement is 2007 has been completely wiped out by the rally in crude prices. Please leave the complex topics to the deep thinkers. You can return to watching pro-wrestling. Thanks

Please. Ron Paul people. Stop the insanity. Get professional help. Go back on your meds.

ron paul is an idea. mccain has no ideas.

Whether or not Mcain and Bush hate each other is irrelevant, the point is that they hold nearly identical positions on every issue.

Your contention that perpetuating the occupation of Iraq is somehow an anti-war position is truly delusional. The US invasion and occupation continues to strengthen Iran. They are laughing at us as we squander the precious blood of our young people and treasure of our nation while fueling extremism.

You and your fellow neo-cons have been full of predictions, every one of which has been proven false and has had disastrous consequences for our country.

It amazes me how proven failures and frauds are still spouting such ignorance. I hope you can smarten up before reality cracks you in the face.

I have resisted the urge to respond to your last few anti-Paul posts, but your "everyone is an ignoramus except me" attitude finally got to me. I see you jumped on the Ron Paul comment bandwagon, probably after seeing how high up in Google news search results NolanChart was rising. Anyway, your flippant dismissal of the Austrian school of economics demands rebuttal. How anyone can defend our current mainstream pseudo-classical/Keynesian theories of economics, with the simplistic assumptions of cause-effect and no thought to the fact that people are by and large motivated by their own diverse interests, and not simple, predictable reasons promoted by those esteemed economists is beyond me. Do you honestly believe inflation can be controlled by bumping the interest rate? Seems more like steering a boat by pointing at the wheel from across the room. My primary reason for supporting Ron Paul is his recognition of the fact that monetary policy has far more impact on the lives of average Americans than fiscal policy, yet NO ONE except Dr. Paul dares to even mention it, for fear of having their collar yanked. If the Fed was designed to keep a check on inflation, does their dismal track record not speak volumes? Any normal business that has done such a poor job (about 96% devaluation of the dollar) would have failed after far less than 95 years. That is just one example of a failed institution that politicians refuse to admit is past it's time, and our government is full of such institutions. When things don't work, we need to abandon them, not keep them for nostalgia's sake. Oh yes, there is that small group of bankers that makes all that money...

You defenders of the Faith in and of The State and its actions DONE IN YOUR NAME(with most of them(not of course the Executive Orders and Signing Statements and SPP agreements) voted FOR by you our your patriotic conservative OATHTakers promising to OBEY the limits and rules of the Constitution and your/their Bolshevik Party edicts and diktats-thanks for your Skinner Box mazeracing-like "defending". You will all get your promised reward of a bigger slice of cheese following the Republican Triumph in November.

In similarly conditioned response you AnimalFarm-ish bleat en masse(look at the numerous(mostly monosyllabic emotive rants and ad hominum inferences) that you PAULITES-TARDS-BOTS blahblahblahblah.....


Of course this last 2 years has NOT been about Ron Paul the DOCTOR or 10x ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE

It about the message of freedom so eloquently enunciated to oblivious GOPers and moderators of websites by Doctor Paul and his warnings of the consequences of the BIPARTISAN imperialism and fascism implanted on our country, culture, the families of the THOUSANDS of dead US servicepeople in that patriotic mission accompllished and Victoriously ENDED AUMF invasion and Soviet Like occupation and now bankrupt Treasury.

Our and Dr Paul's freedom message and warnings will NOT subside into sheeplike surrender to the McCain Matrix(or assimilation into the GOP Borg) and cease. We will continue our telling the American people about freedom and liberty.

We will use weapons of "journalistic" Mass Education on such non-vapid and essential "news? sites and "journalistic" havens of truth and honesty as Mr. Nalle's sinister cabal???????.

Until the collapse.

Chris in LElsinore CA
Not A Republican...again....4x time...oh well..

Excuse me, but you must reside in "Never Never Land"
Ask our troops who are on their 4th tour if the war is over....And as far as McCain is concerned...He is ready to blow up the world, and proud of it. Do some real homework!

I think it's outrageous that you think Ron Paul doesn't have a clue about economics or foreign policy.

There's too much power in Washington DC. John McCain is not the cure.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!! you have GOT to be f**king KIDDING me with this drivel you just spewed forth.

Thanks for the link - I just signed the letter

Another long article full of opinions on topics the author obviously has no knowledge in...but writing about Ron Paul is sure to boost the readership stats.

Disagreement is fine but come on man, you gotta base it on something other than your personal pet peeves or you're no better than the Paulistas you so delight in riding on the coat tails of.

If you want to get any respect at all you have to show some glimmer of insight, show that you cared enough about your article to make some effort to learn something valid about it rather than just parrot the same brain dead glop that comes from talk radio Republican programming. I'm guessing from your depth and maturity that you are still in High School so you still have plenty of time to find something you're good at or to make an effort at being good at this.
Jahfre Fire Eater

Wow this article is full of so much bigited Mis information it could make anyones head spin.
I always trusted this blog but wow this is a really dumb article.

Ron Paul is what America needs. he is perfect. Everybody would win under the policies he would put in place. just check him out at ronpaul.com


-Alexander P, PFC USMC

Reading this thread really drives home just how inferior the American public school system has become.

Omegis's litmus test for BS internet reporting: when ~20% of the comments are made by the author defending his own piece. So far you're at 16.8% with 19/113. Keep it up Dave. I'll write something a tad bit more serious when I get off of work.

www.lettertogop.com READ IT, SIGN IT and SPREAD IT:)

16.8% That's outstanding! That's what, at least 3 times the percentage that Ron Paul would pull in the general election!

I guess the internet is good for letting any idiot post their unsupported opinions. The Ron Paul letter and this article are proof positive. Incidentally, that is the only proof of anything you will find in either. Evidence seems to be in short supply.

That being said, I am not sure how anyone can really complain about limited government. But Dave Nalle has found a way. Don't worry--you will get your big government and we will all live happily ever after.

Kip-

a loss is a loss...at least uner Paul the party would have some principle to stand on

hahahahahahaha!!! What a pathetic retort on your part David. None of that neo-con magic is working any more buddy. Everybody knows the neo-con game is up and they are going to be crawling off under the slimey rocks they spawned from.

I was taught to always cite my sources; I just typed in my comment, listed several youtube videos as proof of my contentions, but your site won't let me post it that way. Therefore anybody who wants to check out the validity of what I say can go to youtube and search for videos by topic, okay.
You say Bush and McCain actively hate one another. Get real. There are several youtube videos of them hugging. Are they not related through marriage?
You say McCain is not "pro-war". Are you talking about Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran McCain? That video is available at youtube, as well.
You say his temper is limited to getting snippy with reporters. There are several youtube videos about his temper, including hitting someone, getting nose to nose with people, etc. And definitely view the one by former Senator Bob Smith who says McCain's temper puts our Country at risk...
And Nelson Linder of the Austin, Texas NAACP who has known Ron Paul for many years says Ron Paul is not racist--I think he would know. There's a youtube video about that!
And Ron Paul is an EXPERT on economics, okay. It's our current foreign policy that's isolationist in nature; Ron Paul espouses talking with, trading with , visiting other countries..but no tangling alliances, PER THE CONSTITUTION, something he took an oath to uphold and consistently does uphold. If only the rest of them were so honorable!
So, I'd just like to say your little propaganda tactics are not working, okay?
If anybody wants to know the truth about Ron Paul a good place to start would be with his book, "The Revolution, a Manifesto..."

That must be some GOOD stuff !

Everyone but Dave:

Dave is a shill. He has no journalistic merit. The only thing that his mindless neo-con rants prove is that we are right on point.

For a real intellectual exchange on these issues go to youtube.com and search for "Larry McDonald" a former congresman from Georgia. The 1983 CNN episode with Tom Braden is worth the 20 min.

At least CFR member Tom Braden is not a minor league wanna-be.

@#55

Garrett J Reed you expect anyone to take you seriously?

"Socialism" as in government enforced and sponsored redistribution of wealth.

Where do you get your ideas?

Bahahahaha.. the "s" word has finally been dropped. Congratulations, Robert. Continue the good fight against the CFR, the NAU, the 9/11 conspirators, Agent Smith, and whatever other fictional villains you're afraid of.

First of all lets remember this is no war, and there never has been. There has been a Military action but no war. A Declaration of war by Congress would not have allowed the U.S. to have more mercenaries in Iraq than we have soldiers. It would not have allowed the oil companies into Iraq, nor allowed them the great profits that they have now.

All you have to ask yourself is which candidates are telling you the truth on one simple issue. Why is the price of gas so high? Obama and Mccain both blame it on other countires where Ron Paul is the only one to tell you it is becuase of our debt and the value of the dollar. The other two canadidates are both willing to let million of americans suffer along with countless industries so they can keep spending our money. Ron Paul is the only one who wants to really give it back to us.

McSame is not pro-war? You must be joking. His entire existence at this point is about the current, and soon to be future wars.

Remember "bomb bomb bomb Iran?" Geez...

Why do the Paulistas say the same things over and over and over again. Whoever comes up with their talking points lacks imagination.

Let me sum up:

Stay in Iraq 100 years
bomb bomb bomb Iran
McBush/McInsane/McLame
Everyone is a Neocon but Paul and his drones

If that is the best they can come up with no wonder Paul is an also-ran.

Dave

First: It seems that better than half of the Paulistas commenting here are either illiterate or, at best, have no typing skills, or are just lazy. Why don't some of you us a fucking dictionary or use any of the hundreds of spelling and grammatical sources available on the net? Or do you all prefer to wear your apparent ignorance like a badge of honor?

Second: YouTube? People who discount Wikipedia as a source of information refer to YouTube as a place to get the truth? How idiotic is that?

Again, Dave and I don't agree on much, but I have found that he is far better informed about most political issues than about 98% of the people who post or comment here, often myself included. I may not agree with him, but I certainly don't doubt either his sincerity or his patriotism.

Most of you Paulistas who have attached