Ruvy,

Your friend Senator Obama seeks to have backtracked just a little wee bit on his position since some folks didn't like it.

Oh, well.

Dan

I will take this opportunity to relay what the King James Holy Bible has to say about Samaria; and there is a big difference between the 20 or so versions that have been re-written over the years. The net effect of so many re-writes, obviously, is the confusion and rejection of the King James Holy Bible in its most accurate translation from the Greek/Hebrew. Most Christians of the latter America have never read any of the book, although they will claim they know all about it. The true Bible states that God forbids and disdain's people who juxtapose the sexual similarity between a man's body and a woman's body as the "same area". Deceivers and anti-Christs will explain that the meaning behind those verses mean the geographical region of Samaria. The language of the Bible speaks in metaphor and simile, known as Parable. The further meaning of the Parable explains how Same-areans, or uni-sexuals in modern heathenism, will return to the dirt they stand on for eternity. So, Sodom and Gomorrah America, have at it while you can.

Let's make Israel the 51st state, Iraq the 52nd, and Sodom and Gommorah 53 and 54.

Then we'll have a stronger military, more oil, and 2 more Disneylands for deceivers, anti-christs, uni-sexuals(?) and heathens.

While we're at it, let's offer to trade the Clintons for Bin Laden.

Problems solved, everybody happy.

Ruvy,

No other country gets the attention that Israel gets in American politics, from Obama or anyone else. What else do you want?

You are reaching with this one.

Also, why is it good to hold American politicians hostage; where people have to nervously kiss up like they are dealing with the mafia. The bullying is terrible and needs to stop.

Dream on, Ruvy... dream on.

Please correct your quote. Barrack said:

"And Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain uhm.... divided!"

Ruvy, if you were picking out an American politician for president who would be properly and genuinely supportive of Israel, who would it be?

#7:

Al,

Maybe Joe Lieberman? Or Abe Foxman?

I find it baffling that an Israeli Jew (and a former American citizen) would hold such a negative view of the US.

Bush recently traveled to Israel and basically pledged all of America's might in support of Israel. McCain has seemingly spent half his campaign denouncing Iran for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's lunatic comments about Israel. And even Barack Obama throws red meat to the AIPAC crowd.

The United States sends billions of taxpayer dollars in military aid every year to Israel. The United States is often practically the only friend Israel has in the UN, vetoing anti-Israel resolutions quite regularly.

And AIPAC is considered one of the most powerful lobbying groups in Washington DC.

What exactly do you want from us, Ruvy?

"(and a former American citizen)"

Not "former," RJ.

He plans to vote in November.

Said so right here on BC.

The other night.

Says so as the punchline of this very article, actually.

Okay. Change that to "former, long-time resident" of the US. Whatever.

Isn't dual citizenship sort of troubling, since it can create a conflict of interest in such voters?

No conflict of interest in Ruvy's case. His POV is articulated very clearly in the article and his numerous past comments about Obama.

"Isn't dual citizenship sort of troubling, since it can create a conflict of interest in such voters?"

Troubling to whom? I'm a dual citizen, as are both of my siblings; it's legal and recognized by both of the countries in which I can vote (Mexico and USA).

I vote my conscience; so far, with no conflicts (for me), though I'll admit some of my compatriots from either country might and do, look askance at some of my positions, but that would probably happen even if I only had one passport.

One cool thing about two passports: I get priority treatment entering both countries; I just use the right passport.

ROFLOL @#3 Lee

You've got my vote Lee.

One cool thing about two passports: I get priority treatment entering both countries; I just use the right passport.

Well, I don't have dual citizenship, but I do enjoy using my British passport at Heathrow and my permanent resident card when returning to the US... I get to use the quick line at both ends. Tee hee!

Also, to clarify, Obama was talking about Jerusalem, New York.

With that particular poster Cisco, but he's been re-banned after he slipped under the radar today.

Let the be peace across the landlll

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooooom

I've heard of praying to Gods, angels, spirits, animals, trees, idols, icons, deceased relatives and Elvis, but praying to a sermon??? Now I know the world has gone crazy. Oh my sainted aunt...

I dunno, Doc. The phrasing makes sense to me. Just as you sing along to a favorite song, you'd pray to a particular prayer. That's why you get the shouted "amens" during a sermon as you would at the end of a prayer. The sermon is a prayer.

As for dual citizenship, the idea has always bothered me. Ruvy has no loyalty to the US. His home is Israel. I don't understand why he'd want to be called an American. He anticipates a showdown between his two countries, and has no qualms about which one he'd support, so why retain US citizenship?

Third topic: Ruvy, you want to judge McCain and Obama as anti-Israel based on their associations. That's not fair. You couldn't assemble an advisory staff or a campaign without some variation of opinion. By your account, you can't assemble a government *in Israel* that's pro-Israel. No one's asking you to entrust Israel's fate to James Baker. Look at the candidates and decide.

Avi,

You don't pray to a sermon, you listen to it - it's like a d'rashá that a rabbi gives.

Beyond that, I have no clue what kind of prayers are recited at the Obamas' former church, but, if you are really curious, their web-site is in the article.

Dr. Dreadful can be picky with his English (so can I) and you did make a tiny usage error....

Hope you enjoyed Shavuot, aHí. Did you have some good cheesecake, at least?

Great comment, Howard.

The only problem with it is that the authoritative name of Samaria is Shomrón. The Hebrew is the authoritative version of the Bible, as it was written almost entirely in Hebrew with some portions of the Book of Daniel and the Scroll of Esther in Aramaic. Everything else is just a translation. Since you are likely Hebrew-challenged, I use Samaria for your sake. In Hebrew, "same area" is otó shétaH,, and "same aria" is otó shir.

Another Parable parabolically disposed of in the circular file....

I see I messed up yet another HTML code in the previous comment. Ce est la vie.

Moving onwards:

Brother Al asks, Ruvy, if you were picking out an American politician for president who would be properly and genuinely supportive of Israel, who would it be?

Assemblyman Dov Hikind of Brooklyn in the NY State Assembly.

Baronius writes,

As for dual citizenship, the idea has always bothered me. Ruvy has no loyalty to the US. His home is Israel. I don't understand why he'd want to be called an American. He anticipates a showdown between his two countries, and has no qualms about which one he'd support, so why retain US citizenship?

I worked a full forty quarters in the United States, and am entitled to Social Security. I don't really think I'll see a dime out of the money, but just in case I'm wrong, I don't want to jeapordize receiving it. We cashed in our pensions to move here. We've gone from economic security to economic insecurity. It's just a thin reed in the fire, but we are both entitled to receive the money, if it is still around....

I don't really want to be called an American, though. I'd be just as happy to be called a Jew and leave it at that. That's how I'm listed on my Israeli ID card.

after the standard complaints about how much the American government "gives" the State if Israel, RJ Elliot asks,

What exactly do you want from us, Ruvy?

I'll repeat the end of the article, so that maybe you will understand it. If you think that the American government "supports" Israel, you probably won't, but we'll try it again anyway. Miracles do happen.

If Obama wins the American election, though, he will be just what the doctor ordered for those of us who want to rid Israel of American puppets who ruin our lives threaten our security and ultimately endanger the Jewish entity that has finally arisen here after two thousand years of exile and persecution by foreigners.

McCain will glad hand and lie through his teeth - just like Obama did to AIPAC - and Israelis will believe him. He'll be able to carry the lie off a lot better. By contrast, Obama will be the personification of the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish policy of America's oil and banking establishment. And military reservists, the backbone of Israeli society, whose lives are endangered every time the IDF throws them into foolish assaults in Gaza, and misuses them in military offensives in Lebanon, while Israeli government power-holders hide in bunkers, will finally become disgusted with the thieves and incompetents who ruin their lives.

And they will finally do what is necessary to break the yoke of oppression on our necks, so that we can build our homeland in dignity, and with G-d's help, peace.

So, I'm not condemning Obama at all. I'll be voting for the guy. He is, ironically, "the great black hope".

Read it carefully, RJ. The thieves and incompetents who ruin our lives are puppets of your government, and will not be ousted without a "rising of shire". Ask Doctor Dreadful to explain that reference for you if you do not understand it.

I see what he was getting at now, Baronius. I just didn't read it that way for some reason. It's kind of like the verbal equivalent of that shadow picture which is a vase if you look at it one way and two people talking if you look another. You can't blame me. It seems pretty easy to get things wrong today. I also didn't get the memo about how it's now antisemitic to poke fun at someone's English. Crikey, now I think about it, I disagreed with Clavos over the weekend as well. D'you think I should get therapy for my irrational hatred of Mexicans?

Jet,

I read a whole load of JOM's comments in my inbox on e-mail, where the comment editors don't go, and for once he wasn't going after me. In fact, it appeared that he might have even been agreeing. At first. But as I started reading how the discussion deteriorated, I can see why he was re-banned....

Baronius,

A sermon may be the prayer of the priest before the congregants. You would know this better than I. If the congregants holler "amen!" obviously they are endorsing the prayer.

In a synagogue, a drashá is an explanation. Sometimes rabbis veer away from strictly explaining and move over to advocating things, and the congregants will shout amén v'amén! - a heavy endorsement of what the rabbi is saying, and if you want, you can stretch what the rabbi says into being a prayer. And sometimes, it is.

But a rabbi's job is primarily to be that of a teacher, and not a "pastor" as Americans understand it.

Ruvy, you want to judge McCain and Obama as anti-Israel based on their associations.

I have to go on what I see, and what I see from both of these guys is the same CFR formula for weakening Israel, phrased differently - and most importantly, phrased in such a way as to snow the American Jewish voter. Because I live here, and see what happens here, I'm smarter than the average American Jewish voter. When you actually live in Jellystone Park, you get to see the park ranger aiming his gun at you - and it ain't no picnic.

The big difference is that you can actually smell the camel dung of Obama's association with Arab groups and anti-Israel organizations, whereas all you can do with McCain is point to Haliburton and other corporate lovelies. So, from my point of view, Obama is the better of the two for me. His clearer anti-Israel stance (which will distill itself as the campaign wears on) will translate into hostility for Israel if he is elected. This zebra will not change his stripes. And that is what I'm banking on - an anti-Israel zebra creating hostility in the reservist corps that will get rid of America's puppets here.

And I have to emphasize that point. Obama is better for me - I have a vote in the matter. legitimately gotten, and I'll exercise that vote.

In what appears to be an up-coming election here in Israel, by contrast, all I see are American puppets. The only way I would cast a vote in this election here is if MY candidate, Moshe Feiglin, got elected to the Knesset on the strength of my vote.

Otherwise, I'll stay home.

Ruvy, Baronius, everyone:

In case you were wondering where the comments went: turns out Avi was JOM.

Going to have to ban every IP address in New Jersey at this rate...

He's from Choisey?

That explains it...

This article from Israpundit clarifies Obama's close ties to Arabs. Admittedly, Ted Belman, who publishes Israpundit is apparently for McCain. But McCain, like Obama, wants to see a "Palestinian" state "side by side" with Israel, and will shove that trash down our throats while appearing to be more of a friend. So the two are equally bad.

In this situation, it is better to see the enemy clearly, and to ditch his puppets here.

It's almost 02:00 here, and obviously, I'm tired. I messed up yet another HTML code.... Sigh....

Gotta get to bed.

Avi was JOM

And here I thought I had a fellow Israeli commenting: you can delete comment #20 as well, DD.

Before I go, I want to mention something interesting happening. JOM is posting, knowing his posts won't get through to the comment thread, but will get through to me on e-mail. And shock of all shocks, he appears to be agreeing with me. No nasty comments about welfare or government cheese or anything else. Maybe, he finally understands what I've been saying all thsse months. Who knows?

Of course, if he wants to communicate with me directly, he can always look up my e-mail at my blog site....

He may not know that Ruvy as he isn't a writer for the site and he's not very bright...

LOL, I am in NJ. At least I will know what happened if I get banned. :-)

Brzezinski and Buchanan are winking anti-Semitic votes for Obama, deliver USA to Pope's basket of Banana Republics. Talal got Pontifical medal as Fatima mandates Catholic-MUslim union against Jews (Francis
Johnson, Great Sign, 1979, p. 126), Catholic Roger Taney wrote Dred Scott decision. John Wilkes Booth, Tammany Hall and Joe McCarthy were Catholics. Now we have a Catholic majority Supreme Court. NYC top drop outs: Hispanic 32%, Black 25% , Italian 20%. NYC top illegals: Ecuadorean, Italian, Polish. 1969 IRA founds Irish Palestine Society, 1971 Irish Arab, 1992 FBI links Bazelya. Hitler was Catholic altar boy.

I guess you don't like Catholics, do you Howie? I don't like Catholicism, but plenty of Catholics are decent people, and I count a few as good friends.

One small point, though. Tammany Hall was a building - something about St. Tammany, a club for Irishmen or something like that, if I remember right. Also, while the IRA was bought up lock, stock and shileghly by Muammar Qaddafi in 1969 (hence the Irish
Palestine Society), it actively aided the Hagana in its fight against the Brits and Arabs in 1946-9.

No, there was no St. Tammany or person named Tammany Hall. John Wilkes Booth wasn't a Catholic, either. Hitler was a pagan who ordered the murder of thousands of priests - although to be fair, he was mostly interested in killing them because they were Poles who could read. I'm kind of proud that when you try to list Catholic villians, you have to go all the way back to Roger Taney.

Baronius,

Hitler became a pagan - but started out as a nice (awright, not so nice) Austrian Catholic. If we Jews get Karl Marx and Benjamin D'Israeli stuck in our club, you can afford to take Hitler - the world has seen far worse. Stalin and Mao Tze Dong made Hitler look like a piker when it came to killing people....

Hitler became a pagan - but started out as a nice (awright, not so nice) Austrian Catholic. If we Jews get Karl Marx and Benjamin D'Israeli stuck in our club, you can afford to take Hitler - the world has seen far worse. Stalin and Mao Tze Dong made Hitler look like a piker when it came to killing people....

Very true.

Of course, you also get Lenin, Trotsky, and the Rosenbergs.

Just sayin'... :-/

BTW, what was so bad about Benjamin Disraeli?

BTW, what was so bad about Benjamin Disraeli?

I was lookin' for the opportunity to get that one in, RJ.

If you remember, D'Israeli was the fellow who got Victoria crowned "Empress of India". Now I don't care about such things, but you should have seen the way this little Hindutva "person" (a paid up member of the BJP - the Indian version of Hindu fascists) at Desicritics ripped into me over D'Israeli - even though he had converted to the Anglican Church. From her take, us evil yids made the lives of millions of Hindus just utter misery because our convert got a Brit crowned "Empress of India". Maybe she thinks the three million dead from the civil war on the sub-continent during the division of British India into Pakistan and the Union of India would all have been avoided if there had been no "Indian Empire" under British suzerainty.

By the way, RJ, I forgot to mention this. This very same woman who condemns D'Israeli (and all of his Jewish compatriots - albeit not the Anglican ones) defines Semitic religion as forcing "one G-d" on people, as opposed to "Indic" religions, which don't, and therefore feels that she is "anti-Semitic".

Note her definition - she didn't say she hates Jews, and I'm not so accusing her.

But she sure as heck left that impression....

Ex-U.S. Envoy Bolton: If Obama Wins, Israel Will Attack Iran

A small update on supporting Obama the Jew-hater, and why it makes sense. Got this e-mail from my friend in Qiryat Arba citing this article above:

THIS IS THE STRONGEST ARGUMENT TO DATE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!

IN FACT, IF WE KEEP ON TRUSTING THE "GOY ON DUTY" AT THE WHITE HOUSE, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, WE'LL KEEP ON GETTING SCREWED!

REMEMBER THAT NO GOY STOPPED HITLER BEFORE HE DID AWAY WITH MOST OF THE JEWS: THEY ACTUALLY ALL HELPED HIM, some with money; some with closing their eyes.

THEY'LL DO THE SAME JUST AS THEY HAVE DONE IT SINCE (1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1985, 1990, 1993, 1995-2005, 2006, etc.)
========================================

So, I agree with my friend, and will be telling all my friends the same thing. Support Obama, and vote for him if you can!

Bolton appears to understand politics about as well as you do, Ruvy.

I'm not sure that Israel could actually attack Iran's nuclear installations but if it did, the one sure result is that Iranian attitudes would harden and it would pour even more effort into its nuclear activities.

Chris,

Strategic Forecasting discusses this possibility here in extensive detail, arguing that Israel is conducting psychological warfare and nothing more, also arguing that Israel is unable to attack Iran.

But, Chris, the GOI (goy, in other words) has agreed in principle to a great many sacrifices in order to support the pathetic regime in Washington. One of those sacrifices is that Jews throughout Judea and Samaria get kicked out of their homes. Given that a nuclear Iran is a real danger to this country (as well as Europe) a way might be found to enable Israel to accomplish the deed before 20 January 2009.

In the meantime, the so-called "truce" negotiated to keep Olmert in office may well be collapsing.

It is the false prophet who cries "peace, peace!" when there is no peace. The future this region faces is war, Chris. After a terrible bloodbath here in the not too distant future, there will be peace. The only question is how many of us will die in that war that shapes the peace.

"I'm not sure that Israel could actually attack Iran's nuclear installations but if it did, the one sure result is that Iranian attitudes would harden and it would pour even more effort into its nuclear activities."

So, let's prevent the Israelis from bombing the Iranians and send the Iranians whatever they need in the way of enriched uranium, etc., along with a trainload of nuclear scientists, so they can speedily develop their nuclear capability for their stated peaceful purposes.

The quicker we help them get nuclear capability, the quicker they'll have electricity, and everyone will live happily ever after.

Ruvy, I don't agree that war is the future for your region, although attitudes like yours do make it more likely.

Nor do I agree with your pov about removing Israelis from the occupied territories.

Any nuclear nation, including Israel, is potentially a danger and the world would be a better place if nuclear weapons didn't exist. However, exist they do and it seems unrealistic for those countries that have them, no matter if obtained illegally as Israel and Pakistan did, to expect other countries not to want to get their hands on them.

As to Barack Obama, assuming that Israel is not so deluded and reckless as to pre-emptively attack Iran, his more constructive attitude might play out to Israel's benefit, as this thoughtful article from Foreign Policy magazine indicates.

I think it ultimately comes down to whether one is a glass half full or glass half empty type of person. Whilst I am one of the former, because I believe in hope for the future, you are clearly conditioned into being the latter.

Clavos, that probably is a good idea. Fighting is never going to resolve deeply held differences between people.

As we saw in Northern Ireland, even lifelong violent enemies can make amazing and sudden progress if they actually start talking to each other.

"Obama will 'clarify' point after point of this speech to AIPAC until they have all disappeared into smoke and mirrors."

I do so enjoy rubbing your noses in my ability to predict what your pathetically predictable politicians will do. According to Arutz Sheva, Barry Obama Gives Final Burial to 'Undivided Jerusalem' Statement. As I pointed out in my article five weeks ago, "Obama will be the personification of the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish policy of America's oil and banking establishment." And his advisors will make clear what he leaves doubtful. That is why I support the son of a bitch.

Having said all this, something could happen that will make the possibility of American elections academic, at best. Looking at Debkafiles, there are several possibilities of war breaking out in this neighborhood, a war that will very seriously involve the United States in one way or another.

It's always interesting to live in Israel....

This was printed last week, but I only caught it today. The rise of "Mister V" talks about Bara(c)k Obama.

From the article, by Rabbi Lazer Brody.

veneer - a superficially or deceptively attractive appearance, display, or effect (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, pg. 1387)

barák (Hebrew) - lightning; flash; glitter, shine; veneer

Mister V is a great code-name for Bara(c)k Hussein Obama for two "V" reasons: First, according to the way we're reading the spiritual map, BHO will be victorious in the upcoming Presidential election. That's right, it looks like he'll be the next President of the United States. Second, he's got the best veneer in town, a smile that Colgate or Crest would pay millions for, and a kaleidoscopic tongue that plays whatever music his listeners want to hear.

Hashem (G-d) makes drastic changes overnight to expedite the process of Geulá, the full redemption of our people. Overnight, an insignificant corporal named Adolph Shicklegruber (aka Hitler) came out of nowhere to become the Führer - the absolute dictator of Europe's most cultured nation that also overnight turned into a country of bloodthirsty savages.

Mister V is part of the Geula blueprint. Hashem took him out of nowhere too. He hasn't even finished his freshman term in the Senate, and he's already the Dem's candidate for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, NW. How did it happen?

On July 27th, 2004 Senate candidate Barack Obama spoke to delegates during the Democratic National Convention in Boston. Some call it "The Speech", a 17 minute star-making turn. Obama walked on stage an unknown, and walked off as a star. Four months after the convention, Obama won the U.S. Senate seat in a landslide.

Now hear this: July 27th, 2004 was the 9th day of the Hebrew month of Av, "Tisha B'Av." This is a perpetual day of calamity for the Jewish people when among other disasters, both Holy Temples in Jerusalem were destroyed.

Mister V, finishing up his glittering tour of Israel today, has wrapped all the anti-emuna feeble-brained politicians around his pinky finger. Abu Mazen and Said Ereket of the Palestinian Authority are dying for Mister V to be elected. We know all the triple talk that he said to the Jews, but we don't know a thing of what he said to the Arabs. I wonder why they're so fond of him...

Your friend Lazer says once again that it's high time for teshuvá. By teshuvá, I don't mean simply going through the motions of Jewish rituals, but establishing a sincere and personal relationship with Hashem.

Don't think that the rocky road to redemption is only our problem over here in Israel. Many thousands of people are waking up here, for there's no lack of stimuli. But, if our beloved brothers and sisters outside of Israel don't wake up on their own, then the Global Jihad just might remind them that it's time to return to Hashem.

Here's a Geulá prediction: Mister V will negotiate (and be buddies) with Iran, Syria, and everyone else, and Israel will stand alone with no one to turn to but Hashem. I like Mister V because I'm looking forward to that day. Wait and see how emuná will win and reign. This is getting exciting.