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<title>Comment by Vassago on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
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<description>BIBLE CODE: OBAMA ASSASSINATED 
HILLARY NOMINATED, WINS AS PRESIDENT
AND WELCOMES ANTICHRIST 2010 AD 

BIBLE CODE: SARAH PALIN - PRESIDENT - VP - McCAIN 



BIBLE CODE UPDATE:9/6/08: There are two ways you can spell the name &quot;barack&quot; in Hebrew, using a different &quot;c&quot; or k&quot; sound. Either way, BARACK OBAMA is encoded with ASSASSINATED. Here are both of these Bible Codes. 

BIBLE CODE: GEN:9:11 
BARAK OBAMA - ASSASSINATED - BLOOD 
SEPTEMBER - GUNFIRE - CROWD 
ARYAN NATIONS - GUILTY 
HARRY - PREVENTED 

As of 9.6.08, we are in the Hebrew month of September which ends SEPT 29. It seems the Bible Code is warning there will be two assassination attempts on Barack Obama. This code has &quot;HARRY PREVENTED&quot; going directly thru the name &quot;barack obama&quot; which follows my belief, &quot;forewarned is forearmed&quot;. 

If you splash the Internet with a future code of violence, say an assassination or terror attack, this code has the highest probability of being prevented. I have done all I can, the rest is up to those assigned to protect Obama from harm. 

BIBLE CODE 2: GEN:29:15
BARAK OBAMA - ASSASSINATION 
GUNMAN - CONSPIRACY 
TISHRI- HE WILL DIE 
PANIC - SUBSTITUTE - REPLACEMENT 

This Bible Code has Barack OBAMA assassinated by a GUNMAN in the Hebrew Month of Tishri, which falls this year from September 29 to October 30. Encoded with OBAMA and TISHRI is &quot;HE WILL DIE&quot; and REPLACEMENT or SUBSTITUTE. This code gives us a startling possibility.

This would mean OBAMA will be assassinated by a GUNMAN within a month or weeks of the November Election. This would spell PANIC and an emergency, democratic party re-nomination for a REPLACEMENT- SUBSTITUTE, who is HILLARY CLINTON.

To show you how accurate the Bible Code is about The USA Election, 2008, consider this code. 

BIBLE CODE:GEN:3:6
JOE BIDEN - PRESIDENT - VICE 
OBAMA&#039;S CHOICE - SELECTION 


JOE BIDEN is not encoded for assassination or murdered and he is also not encoded with Antichrist, The Beast. This code seems to say that Joe BIDEN is simply &quot;window dressing&quot; for what is to come, to get HILLARY Clinton into the white house. 



It is my belief that the Biblical Tribulation will start between 2008 and 2012 AD. (99.999 sure). This would mean that Satan is working overtime to get his man into the white house. By this I mean a USA President who will accept Antichrist (The Beast) with open arms and I believe satan&#039;s &quot;man&quot; is Hillary Clinton. IT SEEMS THAT THIS BIBLE CODE IS TELLING US EXACTLY THIS!

BIBLE CODE 
HILLARY RODHAM - PRESIDENT 
WELCOMES - ACCEPTS - HONORS 
PRAISES- THE BEAST - 2010 

This Bible Code warns Hillary Rodham (Clinton) winning the Presidency in NOV 2008. Then we have Hillary welcoming, accepting, honoring and praising Antichrist, The Beast, in 2010 AD. 

This code makes complete sense as Hillary Clinton backs the United Nations Plan for Global Socialism and the Disarmament of the American Public. 

It is also interesting that The Bible Code refers to her as Hillary Rodham, her maiden name and not as Hillary Clinton. This is because Bill Clinton was also found in the Bible Code and two &quot;clinton&#039;s&quot; would cause confusion. Also Hillary Clinton was quoted as saying, &quot;She wants to be known as &quot;Hillary Rodham&quot; when she wins as President.&quot;

Even if the date of this code is off, Hillary Clinton could still be elected President in NOV 2008 and then accept Antichrist in 2011 or 2012 AD, the &quot;Mayan Year for Doomsday&quot;. 

ORIGINAL PAGE: POSTED BEFORE WE KNEW WHO WOULD WIN THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION (OBAMA) AND IF HILLARY WOULD BE VICE PRESIDENT (BIDEN).

UPDATE: 26 JULY 08: According to the Bible Code and my understanding of the &quot;dark forces&quot; that run this world, their goal is to get HILLARY into the white house for NOV 2008 (as they know she will follow &quot;the plan&quot;). So the only way that Obama can be President is if he chooses Hillary Clinton as his VP. If this happens, OBAMA would be President for nine months, until SEPT 09 (TISHRI) where as Obama will be assassinated and Hillary will be crowned President and she will (soon after) accept Antichrist.

(Bible Code) If Obama chooses a VP instead of Hillary, I believe he will be assassinated TISHRI 08 (SEPT 29- OCT 30) and HILLARY will step in as the &quot;emergency&quot; Democratic Nominee and be elected President, defeating McCain.

That is if we make it to NOV 2008. 

23 MAY 08: Hillary Clinton said that &quot;I am not leaving the campaign because RFK was assassinated in June&quot;.&quot; (as could Barak Obama). We must wonder if Hillary is following the Bible Code and possibly reading this page?

I have found Bible Codes that warn of assassinations of two major political candidates for NOV 2008 elections. Both John Edwards and Barak Obama are encoded with &quot;assassination&quot; and &quot;gunman&quot;. I have also found Hillary Clinton as President encoded with The Antichrist.

Although these codes represent possibilities, it is amazing when we consider that the current USA Political Campaign, was encoded 3500 years ago in the Bible Code. 



It is my belief that the Biblical Tribulation will start between 2008 and 2012 AD. (99.999 sure). This would mean that Satan is working overtime to get his man into the white house. By this I mean a USA President who will accept Antichrist (The Beast) with open arms and I believe satan&#039;s &quot;man&quot; is Hillary Clinton. IT SEEMS THAT THIS BIBLE CODE IS TELLING US EXACTLY THIS!

BIBLE CODE 
HILLARY RODHAM - PRESIDENT 
WELCOMES - ACCEPTS - HONORS 
PRAISES- THE BEAST - 2010 

This Bible Code shows Hillary Rodham (Clinton) winning the Presidency in NOV 2008. Then we have Hillary welcoming, accepting, honoring and praising Antichrist, The Beast, in 2010 AD. 

This code makes complete sense as Hillary Clinton backs the United Nations Plan for Global Socialism and the Disarmament of the American Public. 

It is also interesting that The Bible Code refers to her as Hillary Rodham, her maiden name and not as Hillary Clinton. This is because Bill Clinton was also found in the Bible Code and two &quot;clinton&#039;s&quot; would cause confusion. Also Hillary Clinton was quoted as saying, &quot;She wants to be known as &quot;Hillary Rodham&quot; when she wins as President.&quot;

Even if the date of this code is off, Hillary Clinton could still be elected President in NOV 2008 and then accept Antichrist in 2011 or 2012 AD, the &quot;Mayan Year for Doomsday&quot;. 

BIBLE CODE: GEN:17:5 
JOHN McCAIN - NOT PRESIDENT 
HEART TROUBLE - AFFLICTION 

The Bible Code seems to tell us that John McCain will be the Republican candidate who will &quot;not be President&quot;, that he will lose to Hillary Clinton. This code also says that McCain may develop heart problems that insures his defeat. 

MITT ROMNEY and MIKE HUCKABEE are found in The Bible Code, encoded with &quot;President&quot;. Romney is also encoded with &quot;return&quot; and &quot;substitute&quot;. At this point, we will stay with JOHN McCAIN as he is the clear frontrunner, unless of course John McCain develops a serious heart condition and is forced to drop out. If this happens, we will revisit the Bible Code in light of what happens next on the political scene.

Now what about the fate of the other two democratic candidates who seek to stop Hillary from winning the democratic party nomination. 

BIBLE CODE 
JOHN EDWARDS - ASSASSINATION 
GUNMAN -- CONSPIRACY

BIBLE CODE 
GEN: 29:15 
BARAK OBAMA - ASSASSINATION 
WILL DIE - GUNMAN - CONSPIRACY - 

Here we have the Bible Code warning that one or both of Hillary&#039;s Political Rivals could be assassinated. My guess would be that if one of these candidates surged well ahead of Hillary Clinton, they could be assassinated to clear the way for Hillary. UPDATE: 2/10/09: JOHN EDWARDS DROPPED OUT OF THE ELECTION SO HE IS &quot;SAFE&quot; FROM ASSASSINATION AS A THREAT TO HILLARY. Yet Obama and his message of &quot;change&quot; (and honesty) continues to surge in the poles. If I were Obama I would invest in a bullet proof vest and a pope mobile or maybe even Vice President.


BIBLE CODE 
BARAK OBAMA - ASSASSINATION 
TISHRI- HE WILL DIE 
SUBSTITUTE - REPLACEMENT 

The Bible Code also has the month of TISHRI encoded with &quot;HE WILL DIE&quot; and with REPLACEMENT or SUBSTITUTE. Tishri is the Hebrew month of October and runs from September 30 to October 30 this year. This code gives us a startling possibility.

Barak Obama could win the Democratic Nomination and then be assassinated in TISHRI, less than a month before the Election. This would spell panic and an emergency, democratic party re-nomination for a REPLACEMENT- SUBSTITUTE.

Either way, The Bible Code warns Obama will be assassinated and Hillary Clinton will be elected President of the USA, the &quot;Doomsday&quot; President as she will greet, welcome and accept Antichrist, THE BEAST in 5770 HC (2010 AD).

Note: I am not saying that Hillary Clinton would be behind this assassination or even have any knowledge of it. I am saying that there may evil &quot;shadow&quot; forces at work in our government that are doing the devil&#039;s work. (the JFK Assassination still remains a mystery and controversy to this day). 

There is another Bible Code that suggest a Bio Terror Attack against Philadelphia, USA in MAY of 2008. Iran will be blamed and President Bush will utterly destoy Iran and their illegal nuclear weapons program. If this code comes true, then Hillary Clinton will never be elected President as this counter attack vs Iran will trigger W.W.III and the start of the Tribulation in MAY- JUNE 2008. (this may also be what Nostradamus meant in his MABUS Prophecy?). 

BIBLE CODE: TERROR ATTACK 
PHILADELPHIA - MAY 2008 

NOSTRADAMUS: PRESIDENT BUSH &amp; 
IRAN AS MABUS: WAR- MAY 2008 

My best advice is the advice of JESUS to, &quot;WATCH AND BE READY&quot; and to &quot;PRAY ALWAYS THAT YOU ARE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL OF THESE THINGS AND STAND BEFORE THE SON OF GOD&quot; .(Lu:21:34-36)
 
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<title>Comment by Baritone on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716843</link>
<description>I agree that eventually Obama will assert himself as the unquestioned leader of the party. I&#039;m just suggesting that he shouldn&#039;t burn too many bridges in the process. After all while Hillary and Bill may be deposed, they aren&#039;t going to fall off the edge of the earth. They&#039;ll still be lurking around out there on the fringes, perhaps waiting to spring back into the spotlight if given the opportunity. Obama must be vigilent, but not dismissive. 

As to Obama&#039;s bowling ability, the jury will likely remain out on that one.

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<pubDate>Fri, 9 May 2008 20:30:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by bliffle on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716821</link>
<description>Barack will not get rid of Hill out of spite, but merely necessity. He is taking over the whole dem apparatus, and all Hill can do is try to block his changes and keep her allies in place, but when push comes to shove it is Obama who has raised the campaign funds and trained the next generation of dem politicians and party operatives.

Hills departure will be simply a consequence of Obamas dem takeover. He will replace her people with his. The best she can do is to agree to submit and get out of the way. Her power is gone along with her financial support. She had to throw in another $6million of her own money.

BTW, Obamas bowling followthrough looked pretty good, to me (I only saw one picture). He finishes straight with his hand on line and high. Even if all he ever throws is a straight ball he can pick up plenty of spares. All he needs is a little practice and he&#039;ll be bowling 170-180.
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<title>Comment by Baritone on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716813</link>
<description>Baronius,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Again, Baritone, you&#039;re looking for ulterior motives for my comments.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

I wasn&#039;t directing that particularly at you. I was just commenting on what I feel would be the ramifications if he did as you suggest.

Your analysis may be correct, but Super Tuesday was ages ago. I still believe that Obama should not throw Hillary aside. Obama isn&#039;t the typical junk yard dog politico. To appear ingracious would not fit his persona.

I don&#039;t know how down and dirty the campaign between McCain and Obama may become (making assumptions here,) but my guess is that it will be less acrimonious than that between Obama and Clinton. Mainly, because they will be better able to focus on the issues in which there exists a much wider gap than there was (is) between Obama and Clinton.

No doubt there will be the occasional jab; there&#039;ll be some sparring between the two of them. More likely, though, people other than the candidates but connected to the campaigns will probably make some personal punches either as  unintended gaffs or as a orchestrated hits, to which the candidates will be forced to respond.

The point of my original post here is that Obama has achieved, at least to some degree &quot;rock star&quot; status which in the presidential arena hasn&#039;t happened, maybe ever - the only other candidate I can come up with who did or at least was on his way to achieving it was Bobby K. What that will mean come November is anybody&#039;s guess.

Barack has style. He exudes class. He looks good in his suit. But, at the same time, he is far from effete or vain. He can hit the three and go to his left (which is appropriate!) As long as he stays away from the bowling alley, he&#039;ll do fine. 

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<title>Comment by Baronius on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716746</link>
<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;I suppose it would serve the Reps cause for him to do so [Barack undercutting Clinton], by further fracturing the Dems&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Again, Baritone, you&#039;re looking for ulterior motives for my comments.  I&#039;m just giving my analysis.  It&#039;s not like I&#039;m going to persuade either party.  I mean, at least you write articles on one of ten thousand political websites.  Me, I &lt;i&gt;comment&lt;/i&gt; on articles on one of ten thousand political websites.  

I think Obama needs to start acting like the primaries are over.  He should have been doing this since Super Tuesday, when it became clear that neither nominee would have enough delegates to guarantee a win, but that he&#039;d be in the lead.  It won&#039;t hurt party unity; it&#039;d help it.  Parties coalesce after the primaries.  Obama needs that unity as soon as possible, because of the wounds that the Dems have inflicted on each other.

Also, it&#039;d make Hillary&#039;s smears and cheap shots look like sour grapes.  Obama could have avoided a lot of grief if he&#039;d just ignored her.

Will Hillary be able to come back?  Only if Obama loses by a huge margin.  She&#039;ll present herself as the insider candidate, a return to the Clinton dynasty (which won&#039;t seem so bad to the average Democrat after Bush/Bush/McCain).  She&#039;ll have to make herself into a visionary who knew that Obama couldn&#039;t win, and tried to save the party from itself.  That would be a tough sell for a gracious person, but for her it should come naturally.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 9 May 2008 14:24:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Baritone on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716702</link>
<description>blif,

You may be correct, but I doubt that Obama will trash them. Again, like it or not, the Clintons remain popular among a large number of Dems. While she has little hope of wresting the nomination from Barack, she is not exactly tanking in these primaries. Even Obama expects to do no better than split these last 6 upcoming primary elections. Even if he wouldn&#039;t mind kissing Bill and Hill off, he must be mindful of the numbers she is still pulling in. If he alienates a large number of Clinton&#039;s backers now, he may well have to kiss the general election good bye.

Additionally, and unlike the Clintons, Obama has more class than that. If he is as politically savvy as I believe him to be, he will play his cards carefully with respect to the Clintons. Even if Hillary finally pulls out of this race, she may well consider that she could come back for another run down the road. Personally, I think this was her one shot, and it fell short. She&#039;ll never get this close again. But will she accept that prognosis? Doubtful. 

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out in the coming weeks. If Obama has the political skill that I suspect, everybody, including the Clintons will - publically at least - play nice for the good of the party. Hillary is driven, but she&#039;s not stupid.

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<pubDate>Fri, 9 May 2008 11:53:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by bliffle on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716683</link>
<description>Obama seems to have funneled all the campaign power and money inward to himself and those close to him. His contributors have been instructed to divert money toward the center. When he takes the nomination his campaign system will replace most of the DNC structure. Obama has already instituted leadership training and channels for his extensive supply of educated and motivated volunteers.

The Clintonistas have so demonized Obama internally in their Rule-or-Ruin campaign that they will never be able to pull back. The Clintons are finished. You won&#039;t have Hill and Bill to kick around anymore. Unless, of course, they manage to arise from their political coffins and flutter back into our lives on bat-like wings in some future election.
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<pubDate>Fri, 9 May 2008 10:27:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Baritone on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716565</link>
<description>Well, now I&#039;m back to disagreeing with you.

Obama hasn&#039;t been given the reigns just yet. Not to mention that the fight isn&#039;t, at least technically, over. If Obama bitch slaps the Clintons, they could make the days ahead difficult for him. 

I suppose it would serve the Reps cause for him to do so, by further fracturing the Dems, just as Limbaugh claims that he&#039;s doing by directing Rep voters to instead cross over and vote for Hillary. I hear that now he is instructing voters to vote for Obama, just for giggles, I guess. 

Limbaugh is such an arrogant asshole. He claims to be this great American, the stalwart vanguard of the conservative cause, but obviously has no respect for its most valued institution. It&#039;s all just a big ego trip for his fat head which looms large in grotesque radiance over his fat ass. For Limbaugh to make this effort, he must recognize that McCain is in serious trouble, as well he should be. Perhaps you have come to realize the same.

B-tone

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<title>Comment by Baronius on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
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<description>Baritone - When I&#039;m partisan, I&#039;m partisan.  When I&#039;m analyzing, I try to be as neutral as possible.  If I wanted analysis distorted by ideology, I&#039;d watch cable news.

Let&#039;s face it: neither Clinton is going to be an ally to Obama.  Obama&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; head of the party and he should act the part.  He should pay as much attention to Hillary as McCain does Ron Paul.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 8 May 2008 17:15:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Baritone on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716458</link>
<description>Baronius,

What am I gonna do? Here I am agreeing with you again. I thought of the same thing last nite. Some may think to do such a thing would be brazen or even tasteless. It could be dangerous as well.

Like em or hate em, the Clintons are a powerful force in the party. To diss Hillary in that way could lead to problems down the road. Obama may well need at least token support from the Clinton camp as the general election campaign proceeds. Open rebellion by the Clintons, the possibility of which I hardly discount, could be disastrous.

But, if Barrack did this, perhaps quietly at first (who knows, he actually may be doing so,) and then by say the June 3rd primaries, assuming he continues to roll, he could at least reveal a short list. As I said, it could be risky, but, what the hell.

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<pubDate>Thu, 8 May 2008 14:29:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Baronius on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716418</link>
<description>Baritone - Your comment got me thinking.  Should Obama wait a few weeks to start choosing the VP nominee?  I think it&#039;d be brilliant if he set up the vetting committee now, maybe started meeting with a few potentials.  Make it clear that he considers the primaries over.

He&#039;s still getting great receptions on the road, so he should definitely keep visiting primary states.  But he could leave Clinton in the dust if he simply proceeded to his campaign for the general election.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 8 May 2008 11:48:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Baritone on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
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<description>Baronius,

Again, I wholly disagree with your assessment of Obama, but I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; agree with you about Richardson. He&#039;s smart and has a good sense of humor. He would do nothing to embarass Obama and perhaps would bolster the Dem&#039;s position in the southwest.

Christopher,

I also agree that an Obama/Clinton ticket would not work. Far too much vitriole has gone under the bridge between them. Clinton has too strong an ego to take a back seat to Obama. As Baronius suggested, Richardson would be a good choice for Obama&#039;s running mate. There are others to consider as well, but that&#039;s still a few weeks down the road.

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<pubDate>Wed, 7 May 2008 18:09:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Zedd on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
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<description>Doc,


On the analogy, it was ridiculously long and unnecessary, in a good and funny way.

However, I would venture to say that Obama has substance.  While some people may be attracted to the fanfare I am relieved to hear and read substance.  Example... I am glad that he went against the 18 cent gas holiday which would have amounted to $2.16 savings on a normal 12gal tank (that is a 4hr trip).  Hillary and McCain banked on that Americans don&#039;t think and they would see a price break and think that something was being done to help them (politics as usual... a lot of hoopla over nothing... hmmm maybe like Mickey Ds?).  </description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 7 May 2008 16:56:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bernadette on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716164</link>
<description>I think the people in N.C. were smart by picking the person who should be our next president. He has shown integrity and pose through all this b.s. that the media the the GOP,Hillary and the republicans have thrown at him they never brought up Hillary&#039;s flip flops lies,and ect. As much as Hillary and the rest of them tried to destroy him God knows the good people and he is one of them in Washginton. </description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 7 May 2008 15:50:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Baronius on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716160</link>
<description>Oops - I forgot to make my main point.  Obama needs to get the primary fight behind him.  He&#039;s got to make Hillary as much of a non-issue as Guiliani will be on the Republican side.  Having Clinton onstage with him will only weaken his position.  He&#039;s got to be prominent.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 7 May 2008 15:41:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Baronius on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
<link>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/06/102629.php#comment-716157</link>
<description>The President/VP relationship isn&#039;t a coalition.  The presidential candidate is on the top of the ticket.  No one really votes for the vice-president, although people do judge the presidential candidate by the quality of the choice of running mates.

The running mate has two roles: getting you elected and serving as your VP.  Clinton doesn&#039;t bring any benefit to Obama&#039;s ticket.  As Dan points out, she brings a lot of negatives.  And I can&#039;t imagine having her as a vice-president, where loyalty counts for a lot.

Who should Obama&#039;s running mate be?  Usually you want someone who shores up your weaknesses, but Obama has no strengths at all.  He&#039;ll need someone with Washington experience other than the Senate, with some experience as a governor or leader.  I think Richardson is a good choice.</description>
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<title>Comment by Dan Miller on Barack Obama: Rock Star!</title>
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<description>Christopher Rose

As to Senator Obama having Senator Clinton as his VP it would, I think, be a death sentence to his chances of winning the general election. Senator Clinton and her husband both generate extreme hatred toward themselves and they both are viewed as ready, willing and able to lie, cheat and steal whenever it suits their short term purposes. The thought of having either, or even worse both, of them back in the White House is anathema to very many people, me included.

I think that Senator Clinton&#039;s &quot;Bosnia moment&quot; will be looked back upon as a major turning point in the way that people view her. It is not so much that she spoke an untruth, she &lt;B&gt;knew&lt;/B&gt; that she was lying, and clearly should have known that what actually happened would come out, and fast. It was unadulterated stupidity, and an attempt to generate short term support -- a very poor attempt even had the facts been as she claimed that they had been. 

Having a VP such as Senator Clinton, who apparently thinks with a short term perspective and who is viewed with such distaste by so many people, would be a very bad thing for Senator Obama to do voluntarily or under pressure from the party mucky-mucks.

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<description>&lt;i&gt;is there any good reason why Obama and Clinton shouldn&#039;t team up and run as a team with him as Pres and her as VP?&lt;/i&gt; 

Chris, I can only think of one that Obama reason might come up with.  The idea of being only one heartbeat away from the presidency might be too much of a temptation for Mrs. Clinton to resist.  </description>
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<description>Not having a deep understanding of the US political process, given that they have both performed pretty strongly in the pre-election, is there any good reason why Obama and Clinton shouldn&#039;t team up and run as a team with him as Pres and her as VP? 

A black President and female Vice President would certainly send a strong message to the world about a new America...</description>
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<description>Clinton just barely won Indiana, a state where she once had a substantial lead. Thus, Obama improved his position. It&#039;s hard to see any way that Clinton can get the nomination at this point without a coup in the DNC, which they have no interest in. Howard Dean will insure that there is no such insurrection.

Thus, it will come down to Obama vs. McCain in the final, and the question arises of the party loyalty of the Clinton faction. If the Clintonians are less than enthusiastically supportive of Obama it will be the end of Clintons in national politics.

IMO Obama can win without Clintons aid because he&#039;s done so well organizing against her, and because McCain hasn&#039;t really been tested yet and he will probably look pretty bad in the heat of a full-on national partisan campaign.
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<description>&lt;I&gt;Sadly, I will note that not a lot was settled by yesterday&#039;s vote.&lt;/I&gt;

John Zogby begs to differ with you, B-Tone. In a &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7387919.stm&quot;&gt;column for the BBC News website&lt;/a&gt; this morning, he argues that Hillary is finished, purely in terms of hard math.</description>
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<description>I would suggest that McCains SE Asia experience has lent itself to at least one greater understanding than anyone in the current administration...Senator McCain seems to understand the value of torture more than any of the maroons in the WH right now...as I recall, his was one of the louder voices in DC against the current torture policy...


just a thought...</description>
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<description>Dave,

I would hardly suggest that McCain&#039;s SE Asia experience has lent itself to greater understanding of world affairs. During most of his tenure there he could just as well have been incarcerated in Louisiana or Hawaii.

I do find it a bit humurous how so many of you who were lambasting McCain a few weeks ago that he was not a &quot;true&quot; Republican, that he was too liberal about this, too conservative about that. Now, he has become your boy. Now you will follow him ignoring the liklihood that he will maintain  the Bush strategy in Iraq because you believe that he will do less damage to your bank accounts than Hillary or Barack.

Sadly, I will note that not a lot was settled by yesterday&#039;s vote. Certainly, Obama garnered a definitive win in NC, but the Indiana results were not so defining. That Clinton won by a slim margin in a traditionally racist state is, I suppose, testament to Obama&#039;s appeal.

Obviously, I don&#039;t agree with any of you Obama naysayers. That he may have been guilty of a few misjudgments throughout his primary campaign is not, in my opinion particularly bothersome. McCain spent much of last summer stepping in his own shit, but that doesn&#039;t seem to bother any of you now. It&#039;s ancient history. Few of us have witnessed the likes of this particular campaign. Both Barack and Hillary have been down in the trenches going at each other longer than any other political race in recent memory, and it may be far from over.

If say, McCain and Romney were still vying for the Rep nomination, how down and dirty, and how many missteps and gaffs might either or both of them have committed by now? Or do you imagine that being Reps they possess a purity of heart that no Dem could aspire to?

I&#039;m not excusing Obama. I don&#039;t feel that he has said or done anything that needs excusing. Both the Wright affair and Barack&#039;s &quot;bitter&quot; comment were blown way out of proportion. I frankly don&#039;t know how all of you imagine Wright&#039;s crazed comments reflect on Obama. Do you imagine that if he gets to the WH that he will re-ignite &quot;Black Power,&quot; and start a campaign to rid the country of all the &quot;bitter,&quot; gun toting rednecks? 

I started on this journey more or less in Hillary&#039;s camp. I will still support her should she somehow gain the nomination. But, I have watched and listened to Obama, and read a great deal by and about him and his positions. His supposed deficiencies in experience are far outweighed by his intelligence and his communicative skills. The success (or failure) of an Obama administration will depend largely on how well he communicates and the quality of the people he brings to his cabinet and his staff. Obama will, IMO, maintain a much higher level of openness and communication with his administration and with the country at large than GW ever hoped to achieve. When tested, McCain may well blow up and alienate all around him which certainly would prove to be counter productive.

On a side note, I wonder why it is that the thought of spending a few billion dollars tax money for universal health care galls your conservative asses, but you don&#039;t seem to mind a bit that we&#039;ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars (nearly 520 billion at the latest count) in Iraq? More money has gone missing in Iraq than what national health care would likely cost us. Maybe it&#039;s that &quot;bitter, gun toting&quot; mentality?

B-tone



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<description>&lt;i&gt;McCain has the potential of bringing more of the same xenophobic qualities and jingoistic proclivities that Mr. Bush has consistently displayed throughout his tenure.&lt;/i&gt;

I think even you would have to admit that McCain has substantial experience of the world.  Certainly he spent plenty of time in Southeast Asia, though perhaps in a more intimate setting than most of us would enjoy.  And as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee he&#039;s certainly travelled everywhere and engaged in a lot of foreign policy briefings.

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<description>B-Tone,

I&#039;m sure the kind of people someone like you and your family are likely to meet in your travels would have an interest, particularly in Europe. But all of Europe is a relatively small portion of the total world population, and Europe&#039;s (possibly excepting Russia), like America&#039;s, influence in the world is rapidly eroding.

I was referring more to the great masses of people in places like China, India, Africa, where merely surviving leaves little time for reflection, particularly on events in distant lands, but whose sheer numbers make it almost a certainty that those countries will dominate economically (if not politically) in the future.

And, though I started this political season impressed by Obama, alas, he turns out to have feet of clay like everyone else.

I don&#039;t think we have a good candidate this time...</description>
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