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Comment by Angie on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Mon, 5 May 2008 13:06:40 EDT

For the most part, mainstream music has lacked any meaningful vigor for a while now. The one exception is industrial music, which is still bucking the system and shaking things up. But that's not a genre that's in the spotlight, so there isn't much mass sway there. Great article, and you bring up a lot of important points.

Comment by Ruvy on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Mon, 5 May 2008 02:01:27 EDT

I'm going to leave the bunch of you to argue over whose judgment of music is best. Music was always my cousin David's medium, not mine. But given that this article has a distinctly political slant, I feel qualified to comment a bit. Like you, Glen, I lived through the era of "radical" music, though at the time, it did not seem radical at all to me. The 1967 tune "For What It's Worth" is an example of what I'm getting at. If I didn't know that the tune was from 1967, I could have easily thought it was a protest song about the deaths at Kent State, when a man with a gun indeed brought people down, and suddenly, "knowing what was going down" was of primary importance. There were a whole series of strikes at universities after Kent State and two campuses at the City University where I attended were closed down for the rest of the semester. I was on the "steering committee" (remember those?) for the strike at Lehman College and "knowing what was going down" meant knowing who was being arrested, who was coming in as an agent provocateur from the Feds, how were kids to be fed at school if they didn't bring their own food, what "revolutionary classes" were being held, etc., etc.... And talk about paranoia.... Those were the good old "innocent" days, Glen. You're sure you want them back? Getting people fired up about revolution is what we need to do here in Israel today, but folks have to understand that getting involved can cost them their lives - you know, like at Kent State? For what it's worth, anyway....

Comment by El Bicho on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Sun, 4 May 2008 23:42:22 EDT

"It's a piss poor way to make a legitimate political argument." Not like a puppet movie, right? Since you have repeatedly proven you have no good sense when it comes to rock and roll, Al, your assessment about RATM carries no weight. "This Living With War album was a flop" Based on what criteria? All it has to do is make its money back as is it is the music business (emphasis on the latter), so feel free to post the link to the page on your site that details the accounting.

Comment by Glen Boyd on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Sun, 4 May 2008 17:23:21 EDT

Uncle Al, While I may take up your argument about the musical merit of Rage Against The Machine or Neil Young's "Living With War" another time -- and lets face it, it is all subjective anyway -- I will gladly the bait on what music actually means. You said it yourself, and I quote: "Music is about emotion expressed through melody, rhythm and harmony." Absolutely correct. And emotion properly defined is all about the expression of feelings, whether they be about love, heartbreak, and relationships or a particularly strong point of view about a certain issue -- be it of a personal, or even, yes a political one. But going beyond that, I think the best music is often a reflection of it's time, place, and culture -- and in some cases, it can actually define it. Thats why hearing a song like "FWIW" or "Ohio" (interesting we are talking about that song on this, the anniversary of the Kent State tragedy), evokes the strong images that it does. Another group that did a decent job of defining it's time was the Beatles. Last night I watched the movie "Across The Universe" for the first time, and being the liberal softie that I am, I was damn near moved to tears by it. The story was pretty much your basic Romeo & Juliet sort of tragic love fable, but when framed against those Beatles songs and the turbulent times of the sixties, it just really resonated with me. As I said in the article, we are living in equally turbulent times right now, and I just find it interesting that not that many artists have picked up the clarion call. Indeed, political sentiments aside, these are times that demand a soundtrack. And I just don't think Mariah Carey's "Touch My Body" is it. -Glen

Comment by JC Mosquito on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Sun, 4 May 2008 17:05:11 EDT

Is there such thing as silly conservative politics? Do they mix any better with music than silly liberal politics? When Lowell George sang about the sign that flashed "Eat Chop Suey" and "Join the U.S. Marines" in 'A Apolitical Blues,' was he really being apolitical? Grandpa Jones may not have been a communist, but he was a hillbilly. Does that make his sentiment any more or less valid? He was also an entertainer and knew how to play his audience - same question - he knew which side of the bread had the butter. Dave Dudley's most famous song is about a truck - which may or may not qualitfy him for political rant. I totally agree - music and politics - a bad mix - but perhaps a valid mix for some whose personal politics include a little two step, a little shuffle, and a lotta tap dancing for figurative (and maybe literal) spare change.

Comment by Al Barger on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Sun, 4 May 2008 13:16:33 EDT

Brother Boyd- Your outlook here is distended by silly liberal politics. There are plenty of exceptions, but generally politics and music are a bad mix. Music is about emotion expressed through melody, rhythm and harmony. It's a piss poor way to make a legitimate political argument. Generally, the more someone tries to layer on some ideological content, the more the music suffers. Rage Against the Machine are just crap artistically. They put their efforts into political posturing rather than melody writing. "For What It's Worth" and "Ohio" were hits mostly because they're good, catchy pop songs. This Living With War album was a flop most of all because it just sucked. "Let's Impeach the President" was marginally decent, but that's about it. Plus, most folks what carry on about liking politics in their music are judging based on extraneous ideological bullshit rather than legitimate musical merit. That's pretty much the only reason anyone would have ever, ever thought the Dead Kennedys were any good. If you want legitimate political expression, then read a book. Here are a few really sharp political songs that don't happen to be leftwing sentiments. Try them on for size: I'm No Communist Grandpa Jones pro-HUAC rant Vietnam Blues Dave Dudley singing an evil talking blues written by Kris Kristofferson

Comment by JC Mosquito on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Sat, 3 May 2008 10:00:08 EDT

Some quotes, most of which will have to remain uncreditted due to creeping forgetfulness: "The revolution lives on in the hearts and minds of those who yet believe." "Rock and roll won't solve all your problems, but it will allow you to sort of dance all over them." (Pete Townsend) "Rock and roll isn't about preserving your age; it's about preserving your rebellion." "Hey ho, let's go." (Jeffrey Hyman)

Comment by Glen Boyd on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Sat, 3 May 2008 04:06:08 EDT

Thanx Bicho. Like I said, I know it's out there. It's just too bad that radio formats have become so fragmented that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of room for it. George Bush makes Nixon look like a freaking choir boy. yet, a song like "For What Its Worth" or "Give Peace A Chance" would most likely be relegated to a podcast or something today. To me, there is really something wrong about that. -Glen

Comment by El Bicho on The Rockologist: The Politics Of Dancing Rocking

Sat, 3 May 2008 03:41:09 EDT

Nice write up, Glen. I think the protest is out there you just have to look for it, but people get savaged nowadays for taking a stand, so it's no surprise that many take the easy way and remain quiet. Besides, people see the '60s didn't accomplish what it suggested, so they don't want to stick their necks out. The dream failed as HST illustrated in F&L in Las Vegas. Keep fighting the good fight.