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Comment by Baronius on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:37:35 EDT

Bliffle, I didn't follow your comment #36. We were talking about trends in politics, not in corporations. That "etc." on the end really threw me, because I can't see any connection between your points, or how they relate to the original topic.

Comment by Herb Tarlek on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:31:26 EDT

"I favor America taking action in Darfur and finishing the job in Iraq." Woowee, that just screams someone who doesn't know what they are talking about because Americans can't finish the job in Iraq. The Iraqis have to do it.

Comment by bliffle on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:19:17 EDT

I mark 30 years ago as the time that I first became aware of devolutions in the conservative business atmosphere that were driving them toward corporate socialism: 1-selection of BoD by CEO, ascendancy of CEO power 2-notion of "too big to fail" offered as excuse for rigid business practices 3-convergence of dems and reps toward vesting jobs responsibilities with employers etc.

Comment by Arch Conservative on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:39:22 EDT

I was blaming those who DON'T vote for the sorry state of affairs this country is in because of Bush. And making a true statement that the Religious Right fanatics being bussed in to vote for presidents at Church polling locations" You're assuming those who don't vote would vote Democratic? You seem to have a lot animosity torward the religious right and that is completely understandable given the type of fella that you are but let's not forget there are kooks on the left too. Extremism is, in ALL of it's assorted flavors, not just the type you have a vendetta against, is a threat to common sense and the welfare of the population.

Comment by Baronius on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:05:02 EDT

Bliffle, interesting comments. I think your chronology is wrong though. Thirty years ago was 1977. The Democratic Party didn't really sell out until the Clinton years. The Republicans stuck to their principles up through the late Clinton years. The real whoring has been going on for only 10-15 years. It feels more like a blip than a trend.

Comment by Baronius on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:53:07 EDT

Jet, we're all silly buffoons in clown suits around here.

Comment by Clavos on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:48:40 EDT

So why fight it?

Comment by bliffle on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:43:47 EDT

Both parties have abandoned their founding principles over the years, especially the last 30 years. Dem politicians have been suborned by the high-flying lobbyists who finance them and by assuring that those dem politicians are rich, widely sought after by big money guys, and their futures are financially assured (most notably their pensions and healthcare, which are pumped up to unreasonable levels, thus freeing them of the concerns of millions of their constituents) so that they no longer share the daily concerns and goals of the people who elected them. Just look at the Clintons, for example. this insures that the Dem pols can casually throw ordinary citizens to the wolves when that is demanded by the Big Picture notions that they buy from their lobbyists. The rep politicians start with noble notions about fiscal responsibility, low profile government, and 'consequences', but they quickly succumb to lobbyists who require them to prop up failing businesses, increase taxes and debts to finance big plans like war or a bridge to nowhere, wiretap citizens who might become dangerous, throw people in jail without constitutional protection, etc. The dems devolve back to Big Government control. The reps devolve back to Royalism: the King knows best. The compromise they achieve is corporate statism, the belief that the state IS what it's corporations make it.. Power goes to the powerful. The powerful become more and more powerful with time. Every twist and turn that an (old fashioned) dem makes to help citizens must go thru corporate hands. Every twist and turn that an (old fashioned) rep makes to assert Free Markets is confounded by corporate vested interests that will not allow anyone to compete with them in a fair market. Every principle that either party ever espoused is subverted to serve the interests of the powerful people who are their daily companions and their masters. Where does it end? Feudalism, or something like it. Where a powerful ruling class, who performs no function other than ruling and exercising power thru armies, dominates a serf class, who has no choice but to work until death to pay tribute to the King. Then, of course, eventually there is revolution, blood runs in the streets, and a generation or two of rebels tries to found a system that is fair. And immediately their children and grandchildren seek ways around the system to enrich themselves while punishing their moral inferiors. And so it goes.

Comment by Mooja on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:22:22 EDT

I'm no Al Gore fan but in the name of honest accuracy he never stated he invented the internet.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:49:09 EDT

Very paranoid today Archie? I was blaming those who DON'T vote for the sorry state of affairs this country is in because of Bush. And making a true statement that the Religious Right fanatics being bussed in to vote for presidents at Church polling locations.

Comment by Arch Conservative on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:44:11 EDT

Takes me seriously? You just blamed ALL of America's problems solely on the religious right. How can anyone take you seriously?

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:11:47 EDT

Archie-After this long I'm baffled at the fact that anyone takes you seriously any more. To most of us you're just a lovable and silly baffoon in a clown suit, waving your arms and doing anything to get attention. Aren't you tired of it yet?

Comment by Arch Conservative on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:42:05 EDT

"REMF, you're a hypocrite on the left." One in a plethora.

Comment by Baronius on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:34:55 EDT

Jet, you want to see a committed voter base, try crossing the Social Security lobby.

Comment by Baronius on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:32:17 EDT

REMF, you're a hypocrite on the left.

Comment by REMF on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:04:32 EDT

"I can't explain why blacks, and my fellow Jews tend to gravitate left..." - The Obnoxious American That's easy. Fewer phony hypocrites over here.

Comment by Dave Nalle on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:31:17 EDT

it would just take 26% of the votes to elect a president. having more than 2 parties is not so important in electing the president. The role which it would play in the legislature is what would really make a difference, because it would force a lot more consensus building and promote more ideological diversity. Dave

Comment by Arch Conservative on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:14:31 EDT

"I still say that this country is in the mess it's in because the only committed and dedicated U.S. voter is a rabid religious-right church-bussed-in one." Just because you have a bone to pick with the religious right's condemnation of your lifestyle does not mean the reast of shoudl take you seriously when you make such boneheaded remarks. Maybe you can explain how high gas prices are the fault of the rligious right.... Maybe you can explain how Pat Robertson is responsible for manufacturing jobs going overseas for the past thirty years or how Jerry falwell is to blame for the threat posed by islamic terroism

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:12:46 EDT

Lucky I guess Ruvy...? Judge Judy's on, I'll check back later.

Comment by Ruvy on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:50:09 EDT

The Corporate Democratic Party the Democratic Party The Born-again Republican Party The Republican Party With just a couple of name changes, you have the situation the United States faced in 1860 with four parties contesting the race. That was right before a war that was to decide the country's fate.... How do you manage to stumble on these things, Jet?

Comment by The Obnoxious American on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:39:49 EDT

Jet, I've thought about this, but came to the conclusion that were we to adopt a more than two party system, you'd end up with a situation where, depending on the number of parties involved, it would take less and less votes to form a majority. In a situation such as what you describe (assuming parties are devided equally, as they are now), it would just take 26% of the votes to elect a president. Scary. I favor keeping the two party system :>.

Comment by Alessandro on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:33:44 EDT

Haven't been around much. Started a new job and still working on my business-es. But wanted to just say this is a good thread. The Democrats to me seem like a ship lost at sea with the crew fighting among themselves as the sharks wait patiently. Obama claims he's for change - I don't see it. Except for what he represents. But is the "idea" of the man more important than the ideas themselves? That's the impression I get up here in lonely, barren Canadus.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:32:53 EDT

How about four parties The Corporate Democratic Party the Democratic Party The Born-again Republican Party The Republican Party I still say that this country is in the mess it's in because the only committed and dedicated U.S. voter is a rabid religious-right church-bussed-in one. I got a post card recently saying my polling place has been changed to a Baptist church just down the street. I had no further questions...

Comment by Dr Dreadful on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:31:30 EDT

He sure can, Jet. There are no term limits for VPs.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Democrats: I Just Don't Understand

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:25:44 EDT

I wonder, can Al Gore serve as Vice President under two different Presidents?