Blogcritics Comments on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Comment by Baronius on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:10:05 EDT

Mark - For what it's worth, I just read those two articles and I don't see any contradiction. As you address different aspects of a central issue, you change emphasis. That's normal. (I'm not going to comment about whether or not the articles are right, because every country's welfare net is different, and I'm not a Brit.) I've found that a couple of recent comments of mine have been misunderstood, maybe because readers expect cartoonish arguments from one extreme or the other. Nuance is frowned upon.

Comment by Ruvy on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:35:30 EDT

Oh mighty Zulu warrior princess, I am not sure what your post has to do with my comments other than that I am a Black person. I don't know what that has to do with non-White immigrants in England WORKING (that means not getting a hand-out). Your race helps determine your comments - both here and at John Bambenek's article, which both deal with a sense of disenfranchisement among white people. I realize that you are only over-flowing with sympathy for poor whites in Britain finding themselves pushed out of work by cheaper non-white labor (says something about the fine results of positive discrimination - or of the standard greed of the standard cookie cutter employer). But if you read Mr. Manning's article with a bit of care, you'll notice he talks about eastern European labor coming for cheap, too. I'm willing to bet that a lot of that eastern European labor consists of Jews from White Russia, the Ukraine, and the Russian Federation. Of course, I could be wrong, but knowing Russian Jews, and their willingness to work at any job, so long as they indeed get paid, I would not be surprised. So, "white", in this article, really means native Brits. There are non-white Russian Jews - probably six or seven in the whole world.... By the way, African Americans as a whole are highly conservative when it comes to the issue of working hard for what you have. Ask a working class Black person about welfare and see the response. They'd make David Duke sound like a flower child. Yup, black Americans are a proud lot, and much prefer working for a living over working 'the man's' system for doling out money in return for dignity. I know this from personal experience. I do not have to ask. But that doesn't change the fact that black students threatened violence to get "black studies" programs on various campuses, and that underlying all black-white relations, particularly in the States, is a fear of blacks rioting. Perhaps you would prefer that black rioters in America be met with machine gun fire and hand grenades in the streets? The guilty liberals of the 1960's couldn't stomach such an idea, but you never really know with the generation of Angry Americans that seems to be arising today. Ruvy, I do believe that Jews have had more reparations than any other group on the planet.... And we had nothing to do with what happened in Germany. Sorry, Zulu princess, speaking both as a Jew and as a native born American with considerable knowledge of history, you are wrong. American businessmen invested in Hitler, just as they invested in the Wahhabi. American businesses, like Ford, IBM, the firms owned by the Rockefellers and a score of others, actively did business with Nazi Germany at the same time that American soldiers were fighting the Nazi evil. In addition, the American military refused to ever bomb a railway track leading to a Nazi concentration or death camp, even after the Normandy invasion. That allowed the Nazis to carry out a lot of murder. Standing by while someone is murdered in plain sight makes you as guilty as the murderer, Zedd. So is refusing a potential murder victim refuge. In short, the American establishment was quite happy to do nothing while the Nazis carried out their own eugenics policy. Heck, the 20 billion a year that we've been doling out has got to count for something. What 20 billion, Zedd? Show me the money. There are seven millions of us here. We are a family of four (not counting the cat). Where has been our twelve grand a year? According to you, we're owed $84,000 from the treasury of the U.S. of A. How many times do nitwits like you need to have it explained to them that American "aid" consists of a credit chit for the Ministry of Security to spend IN THE UNITED STATES??! How many times do nitwits like you need to have it explained to you that what you call "aid" is an instrument of imperial control? Are you really that slow, oh mighty Zulu warrior princess? But that is a different subject altogether, and not germane to this article. The bottom line is that guilty liberal types in Britain and America have been bamboozled by threats of violence and rioting - in short, the only real law in both countries is the law of the rioter. And that is enough to make anybody angry.

Comment by RJ Elliott on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:32:30 EDT

LOL. I knew you'd catch hell (from the usual suspects) for this article, Mark. Again, kudos. Don't let the bastards mau-mau you into self-censorship.

Comment by Dr Dreadful on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:34 EDT

Mark: OK, if you say so. Wasn't what I got from the articles, but still. It does seem like a bit of a strange lament coming from a 'personal responsibility' conservative, though.

Comment by REMF on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:11:28 EDT

"Would it be impolite to assume that the person who wrote this sincerely wishes that Caucasians had all died off during the Little Ice Age so that we would not be "living in splendour" in so many English-speaking countries?" - Mark Edward Manning I don't know about impolite, but definitely ignorant, since I'm caucasian and I agree with her.

Comment by troll on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:48:55 EDT

...ban intra-racial breeding

Comment by Andy Marsh on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:03:14 EDT

With people like you around MCH, how could anyone ever be lonely!

Comment by Mark Edward Manning on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:54:40 EDT

"Also, this dim wit (some may say) that wrote this article failed to ponder on just how many Brits are all over the globe living in splendor for generations in these people's countries of origin. Lets not mention Australia, New Zealand and the U.S. Would it be impolite to call him a dunderhead?" Would it be impolite to assume that the person who wrote this sincerely wishes that Caucasians had all died off during the Little Ice Age so that we would not be "living in splendour" in so many English-speaking countries?

Comment by Mark Edward Manning on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:45:00 EDT

"It's your tone which is inconsistent. Your previous piece, while bemoaning the way the welfare system is run, laid the blame for the indolent underclass ultimately at their own feet." I am not being inconsistent, Dr. D., and I did no such thing. I blamed the government for allowing these people to exist the way they do. Read the previous piece again and tell me where I blame the white communities formerly known as "working class" for their own problems? I believe the point I made was that they're only too happy to take advantage of Government handouts, because they're defeatist. But, ultimately, who's responsible for their defeatism? Not they themselves, and I never said so, neither then nor now, so will you please stop telling me what an incredible U-turn I performed? I believe I've been very consistent with my point in both articles. And the point is, I think these "poor" whites could certainly be contributing a lot more to society, but I do not place the original blame for their situation with them. They did not do this to themselves.

Comment by Mark Edward Manning on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:37:36 EDT

Ruvy re: Zedd: "Oh mighty Zulu warrior princess" LOL. Ruvy, as always, you are spot on. However, the knee-jerks, like REMF and the Zulu warrior princess herself, would castrate you for that on the grounds of extreme, unforgiveable racism. I believe the correct term for Zedd would be, "oh, African-American of the fairer sex ..."

Comment by REMF on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:27:46 EDT

Andy, you sound so... ...lonely...

Comment by Andy Marsh on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:36:13 EDT

come on ...at least a hug!!!

Comment by Andy Marsh on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:35:42 EDT

Zedd - I'm still waiting for you response to I'm not bitter...I guess you have none??? Nothing for a liberal to say to a true libertarian that loves his life?

Comment by Zedd on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:05:07 EDT

Ruvy, I am not sure what your post has to do with my comments other than that I am a Black person. I don't know what that has to do with non-White immigrants in England WORKING (that means not getting a hand-out). Ruvy, I do believe that Jews have had more reparations than any other group on the planet. Heck the 20billion a year that we've been doling out has got to count for something. And we had nothing to do with what happened in Germany. Give me a break. America is the land of African Americans. It is their home. They were screwed for hundreds of years and got a REALLY, really bad start (JUST 40 yrs ago). They are owed if not merely for the sake of the country benefiting from them catching up. Besides I know way too many idiotic Whites who hold positions of power for no good reason to be thinking about Blacks getting a free ride and taking over. I'm sure you do too. By the way, African Americans as a whole are highly conservative when it comes to the issue of working hard for what you have. Ask a working class Black person about welfare and see the response. They'd make David Duke sound like a flower child. So please stop talking about BLACKS (including Africans, Caribbeans, Australoid et al) wanting welfare. Its off. You don't know what you are talking about. Now as to the anger of the sixties.... You have got to be kidding. After hundreds of years you really think that people wouldn't be smoking mad? Are you serious? You, the same hot head who boils over at any perceivable suggestion of Jew bashing. What do you think we are made out of? Think man. Also, this dim wit (some may say) that wrote this article failed to ponder on just how many Brits are all over the globe living in splendor for generations in these people's countries of origin. Lets not mention Australia, New Zealand and the U.S. Would it be impolite to call him a dunderhead?

Comment by Ruvy on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:25:29 EDT

Zedd, 1. I read this article three times and the other article twice over before sending this here. 2. I read the comment thread here and at the other article twice over before commenting here. 3. "Positive discrimination" in England, and "affirmative action" are both failures. I strongly suspect that a smart gal like you did not get where she is through handouts and free passes. When you get angry enough, you let the intelligence show. So for all the handouts to "women of color", I suspect that all you achieved, you achieved on your own. 4. Now go read my comment again, and pay attention this time....

Comment by Zedd on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:23:34 EDT

Ruvy, You obviously did not read the article and certainly not my response. Mark is talking about the U.K. What are you on about???

Comment by Zedd on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:21:26 EDT

RJ Is he not? Remember Rhodesia??? Is it me??? These are two very different things. Are you alright???

Comment by RJ Elliott on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:05:39 EDT

"My charge is that you didn't address the blatantly racist tone of this article." Isn't this from the same chick who thought Robert Mugabe was perfectly justified in hating Whites?

Comment by Dr Dreadful on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:36:40 EDT

Mark: It's your tone which is inconsistent. Your previous piece, while bemoaning the way the welfare system is run, laid the blame for the indolent underclass ultimately at their own feet. Now that you've turned your attention to immigration, suddenly these same folks are the victims in all this. Liberal: Theremin - thank you! It was on the tip of my tongue, but I just couldn't summon the word therefrom.

Comment by Ruvy on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:49:36 EDT

Oh mighty Zulu warrior princess, This topic, the topic of perceived disenfranchisement of whites in their own country, was approached in an article dealing with a "scholarship" for white students by John Bambenek in Nov. 2006. There, you called all the supporters of the author childish. I wrote a comment which I'll reproduce here with a slight modifications. I'm curious, Zedd. The way I see it, if blacks, Mexicans, women and others can get free passes into American schools based on a history of discrimination against them, or because they can scare the living shit out of a college administration with the threat of violence, why not Jews? I remember wondering about this when all this shit got introduced in the late 60's - when I was still in university. It was the bullying blacks (burn baby! burn!), bullying (bra-burning) women, bullying (Young Lord) Puerto Ricans and others threatening riots who got the free passes. Jews didn't threaten riots, so they didn't merit a free pass, eh? So, it's just like Kahane said. If you didn't bust a goy's head, you'd get shit. Again, Kahane was right! And today in England, Jews get crapped on all over by Moslem gangs. Boy, was Kahane right!! Put simply, if you give someone a pass to get in because the society discriminates against him, ALL those who suffer societal discrimination deserve a pass also. THAT IS CALLED EQUAL APPLICATION OF THE LAW, A CONCEPT EMBEDDED IN THE CONSTITUTION OF 1787, A CONCEPT TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM ENGLISH COMMON LAW. The quotas and other forms of "affirmative action" in the United States simply have not worked. All they have done is make a mockery of EQUAL APPLICATION OF THE LAW, much the same way the Volstead Amendment (Prohibition) made a mockery of law enforcement in the 1920's. It appears, from the words of the author of this article on bitterness of working whites in America and Britain, penned by Mark Manning, that "positive discrimination" has been the same kind of success that "affirmative action" was in the States. What is fairer to me, is a merit system. He who gets the best grades gets in and all the other bullshit gets eliminated. The same thing with hiring. Civil service should be color-blind (or colour-blind) in her majesty's dominions), as should employment. I suppose admitting people to university or hiring them based on merit and demonstrated ability is childish, isn't it? What is more mature is to give in to bullies threatening riots and destruction, isn't it, oh mighty Zulu warrior princess?

Comment by Liberal on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:10:41 EDT

"Scary movie sound forget the instrument." At the risk of violating this site's rules and providing actual information, it's called a theremin.

Comment by Zedd on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:44:31 EDT

Mark, Let me clarify that I am happy that you are able to earn a living. If it is writing that allows you provisions then so be it. However, you have demonstrated that you cling to ideas that have no rational bases because they are badly supported and you consistently articulate them loudly, using examples which don't fit the "argument". Your articles seem to reflect a laziness or daftness on your part. Its as if you think that if you state something no matter what it is, that in itself is enough. How do you defend complaining about immigrants taking jobs in Britain when you are a non Brit who is holding down a job.

Comment by Mark Edward Manning on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:41:35 EDT

Dr. D: "See if your jaw doesn't drop just a teensy bit after reading it as a companion piece to this one." D., I continue to wonder just why this article is so astonishing and jaw-dropping in relation to the other recent piece of mine which you refer to. I argued in the previous piece about why the government allows so many people to while their days away on incapacity benefit when the only thing they're incapacitated by is the level of drugs and drink they consume. And it is a fact that the working class white community forms a large percentage of all those who are cheating the system. In this article, I simply asked the question why, which I did not do in the last article. Why has the working-class white community been hit so hard? And when I thought about it, yes, I guess maybe I was able to see where the situation they find themselves in sprang from. Just because I asked the question doesn't mean these chavvy so-and-sos are going to be my best friends. I still find them absolutely repulsive. But there's a reason why some of these "working class" white communities are so awful, and that's what I tried to say in this piece. If all this still rubs off as astonishing, then could you please tell me why?

Comment by Mark Edward Manning on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:32:04 EDT

Zedd: "I am amazed that he is given the time of day by any publication." Ah yes, the ol' "if they don't agree with me, they should not be published" routine -- something which you pinkos excel at, Zedd. If the high and mighty Zedd -- who does no writing of his own -- doesn't concur, then it's "amazing" that any article pass the mainstream liberal censorship machine. It's no wonder you named yourself after the last letter of the alphabet. It's of relatively low value in the English language, just as your attempt to paint me as a jack-booted racist is of little substance. Did you perchance read where I referred to the British National Party as "scary far-Right whackos"? Why, pray tell, would I have written such words if I sympathized with what their racist sentiment? I think I have made it pretty clear that I consider such people below worms on the evolutionary scale. Nice try, homeslice.

Comment by Andy Marsh on Don't We All Have The Right to Feel Bitter?

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:49:39 EDT

Zedd you get me all wrong...I'm not angry...I've been happily married for 25 years to a little italian hottie...I have two beautiful daughters going to the local CC...two crazy dogs...I travel all over the world...I'm already retired once and working towards my second retirement...I make a good living...spend most weekends fishing on my boat(paid for)...all my vehicles are paid for...I have a nice little four bedroom house that's not in foreclosure...life is good for me! Personally, I can remember when I was kid singing along to those sound of music songs...do a deer... and all that...Kenny Rogers never impressed me...either the singer/actor/chicken fryer or the baseball player! I honestly believe from his and his wife's comments that the Obamas are the bitter ones...he seems to have a lot of issues beginning with his grandma and ending somewhere near the doors of his church! I'm sure, if he wasn't running for president, I might even like old Barry Obama! About the only things that make me bitter are MCH and people that can't drive! But I do like hugs!