There are three reasons the average anti-abortion picketer is not comparable to the picketing prophets of Westboro Baptist Church:

First, usually they are self-righteous hypocrites, who would just as soon kill the WBC prophets for mentioning the word "sin," let alone pointing out the hundreds of passages about the wrath of God. They think because they state the obvious -- it's wrong to kill the unborn -- they are deserving of heaven, and of God kissing their backsides.

Second, they frequently break the law. They apparently think the passages saying to obey the laws of man have less relevance than the ones that say not to kill.

Third -- and this is the important one -- the King of Glory is not with them. God isn't interested in your human standards, or your phony holy ways. None of the "Christians" of this nation obey God, fear God, or speak the truth about God. Just because, as foretold in 1 Th 2, satan is standing in the temple pretending he's God -- through these pink-glitter-tote-bag-toting hypocrites who pretend to be Christian -- doesn't make it so.

So stop pretending these two groups -- the phony pretend-Christians who break the law to put forth a small sliver of God's standard because it happens to suit them vis-a-vis the prophets of God, who are described in Ezekiel 1 (among other places) who are telling this world, in the Last of All Days, that God the Avenger is coming up over the hill with his garments dyed red to punish you for your grievous sins, and Christ is coming through the clouds soon to punish the disobedient.

Magormissabib.

Margie Phelps
Westboro Baptist Church
Topeka, KS

Wow, Irene.

I don't know exactly what part of your piece it was that did it, but I do believe you're the first BC writer to succeed in bringing the WBC crawling out of the tar pit they wallow in.

You must be so proud...

:-)

Irene,

Well written.

All I can say for now; I have to think about it.

Very well written, Irene. I gave you a plug here, but one of your co-religionists had to come along and wreak his "havoc".

You show far greater wisdom by withholding your message....

Ms. Phelps,

Irene Wagner at least tries to worship a G-d of love. You appear to worship a god of hate and death, known to the ancients as Moloch.

And you totally misconstrue the message of YeHezkél and his vision of G-d. How typical of "Christians" like you. If you want to mess around with the Christian book, be my guest, but stay away from the Tana"kh with your ignorance, hate and stupidity.

I didn't realize that this Sunday past was Easter Sunday - had I known, I'd have given you my good wishes, Irene.

My sincerest apologies.

Another interesting article, Irene. One of the rare BC articles written from a religious perspective.

We've had an occasional Phelpser comment on this site, but never an actual Phelps before. It's interesting that she uses the word "hypocrite". Now, she may think me a hypocrite, and I may think the same of her, but one thing's for sure. No one ever persuaded anyone by calling him a hypocrite.

And that's the problem I have with Phelps's people. They don't seem interested in persuading anyone. Most religious people seek to increase their numbers, to get more people on the same page. The Westboro people seem content to be the tiny remnant bound for Heaven. Margie misses the entire point of Irene's article, that well-meaning Christians can differ on how to bring that faith to the worlds of politics and society.

Thanks Ruvy,Clavos,Baronius! Dr. Dreadful: it's the pink glitter tote bag as draws 'em in every time.

As I've said before, I would pay a very large fortune for a front row, grandstand seat to see the look on Fred Phelps's face when he shows up at the Pearly Gates expecting to be waved through...

I want Fred Phelps and his pack of lunatics to come to Australia and do what he does up there, and see how long he lasts. They should probably book the ambulance first, though, to save time.

I know some Americans value their skewed notions of what constitutes free speech, but somewhere, you have to draw the line with this madness.

London to a brick on 10 seconds before he's sleeping like a baby with black eye and a lump on his head.

It's interesting that Fred and his adherents think their hate-filled brand of "christianity" is the only road to heaven.

Their ideas are so far removed from the teachings of Christ, which is what Christianity is about, they have no relevance whatsoever to any discussion of Christian thought or belief.

As I proofread this, I admit that it's looking like a long harangue that no one will read past the first sentences or two. but I feel the need to get it out.

My only regret is that now Pink Floyd will be stuck in my head singing for the next few days.

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The two heads of the dragon that aren't often mentioned is Fear and Money.

Fear
Those who are powerless often evoke God's name. They are convinced that if they evoke God's name often enough and loud enough, the peasants they're trying to control or manipulate will "fear him as you fear me". The "What if" factor plays a very important part of their lives... (What if God really is speaking
through them, or worse yet what if God judges me for defying him, even if the almighty is not using that human as a "speaker phone from heaven".

I lost my fear of God as a teenager when I heard the original Jesus Christ Superstar-Not the soundtrack the real thing original album before it became a broadway play.

Over my years I thought that nothing could ever change my love I felt for Christ

...but I was wrong.

You see Jesus left me alone down here with ordinary humans. As more and more of them preached hate instead of love, they wore down and skewed my love of God and tried to turn it into fear instead.

When I'm alone with several of these "born-agains" I like to (excuse the expression) scare the hell out of them by looking up at the sky and screaming at the top of my lungs for God to strike me down for defying "his" teaching. Terror usually grips them as they back away.

Usually afterward they say they were afraid I'd lost my mind and might hurt them, but the truth is they back away for fear-their fear-that God's wrath may strike them down with me.

Apparently God's aim isn't so good in his old age according to them. To stand next to me would be to fear that they haven't made it safely to the other shoreline before God drops the Red Sea on me.

My God is one of love, of gentle teaching, and of transformation-not one of hate and most of all Fear.

Admit it-Most people fear God like a hated employer who is lurking in the shadows somewhere waiting to overhear something he can punnish you for saying.

We fear what we don't understand
We kill what we fear.

I do not, nor have I ever feared the almighty GOD and I've never been afraid to print out his awsome name anywhere. I don't fear judgement from my god... I fear only man's.

Far too many ignorant people see God as some sadistic monster with a whip, waiting just beyond earth's bounds laughing with St. Peter at the pearly gates, with his book of sins to punish you for.

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Then there's the money changers at the steps of the temple. People who see a congregation not as a group of people joined in faith-no they are a group of people joined in fear that their spiritual leader will abandon them to god's wrath unless they tithe their earnings to him.

They disgust me, because they live by the saying "You get what you pay for" instead of anything they might selectively read in the Bible to justify their hate, or sins committed against others in "his" name.

I've learned the hard way that the Phelp's, the Anita Bryants and the Jerry Falwells of this world are very replaceable. One goes, and another immediately takes their place-hands extended with a collection plate instead fo a bible.

I glory in God's word, not fear it.

I presume to pity those who don't and I'll tell you why. My faith has been truly shaken in the last few years. Sometimes I think Job would blanche at my story.

But my faith is still with me... shaken and stirred severely yes, but it's still there.

Oh and by the way, I liked your article here too, sorry for sort of writing one of my own in your space....
Jet

STM: as in waltzing Matilda. Totally. Jet--I read the whole comment, and I'm glad your faith is still there. :)