Uh, dude, Shadow of Your Love sounds like old school guns b/c it *IS* old school guns. That song was recorded like back in 1994.

really? i didn't know that. So, is that original gunners playing on it? Couldn't be. I know enough about Axl that he would have re-recorded it with new musicians. There is a whole troubling story about 'Welcome to the Jungle' and the film 'Blackhawk Down'.

I have a pristine studio demo of "I.R.S." is was barely online for 24 hours. I'd trade for a copy of "This I love" How is the quality?

Also "Shadow of Your Love" is the b-side to "Live and Let Die" single, looking at it right now.

"Crash Diet" may also be from the pre-Appitite/Illusion days not sure.

I've heard "Better" live at the 2006 Seattle (Everret?) show I actully prefer T.W.A.T. great lyrics

DJ Hippie

Shadow of your love is a Hollywood rose song- way before 1994

I would certainly be willing to trade or swap Mp3s. I can e mail them to you if you are interested. drop me a line [Personal contact info deleted]

Yeah, I had "Shadow" as the B-side to the 12 inch "Jungle" single. Also, he has legal rights to the name, the other guys were grown men who for all anyone knew could die the next day. No stealing there. Let's not forget it was ALWAYS Axl and Izzy's band.

Actually,

I have to take issue with that naming thing. Though they are all own grown-ups and responsible for their own actions... they got gypped.

As the story goes, one night Axl refused to go on stage unless the band signed the name over to him. He claimed he would quit otherwise. So, they did. Axl is extremely famous for missing shows and showing up late. My friends in Phoenix still call the band 'Guns & Noshows'.

So, once he got the name... he started making his changes. I wouldn't mind if he had the name just to protect the band. Or, I wouldn't mind if he had the name and everyone else was dead and wanted to carry on the music (a la Skynyrnd). But, to tour around the country as 20% of a still living band to me is a fraud.

Even Skynrd had the 'rule of 3', which meant to continue on as Skynyrd they had to have at least three living members from the original line up.

Of course, that went by the way when their bass player died a few years ago. There are still three living members, but the others fired drummer Artimus Pyle years ago. He now plays in a Skynyrd cover band for a living, ironically.

Really, Guns & Roses was a Traci Guns name that Axl wisely appropriated early on after a brief and failed pairing.

whoever wrote this article should not be allowed to use a keyboard or a pen. he clearly does not know what he's talking about. "Shadow of your love" was origionally a demo track for Axl's band before GNR, called "Hollywood Rose." i think it was recorded in 1985. "This I Love" is actually called "locomotive" and its on Use Your Illusion II. "Silkworms" and "Riad" are not even going to be on the album. "Dust In the Wind" is a cover song of the band "Kansas" preformed in 1993 and wont be on the album. And if this writer wasnt bad enough, he "couldnt get his mitts" on the best and most easily found Chinese Democracy tracks like "Better," "Catcher in the Rye," and "IRS." not to mention "Crash Diet" is a fake track. I can't believe this Lono guy has a job. if this website has any clue what there doing, they will fire off this dumbass before he has a chance to write again...

Lono, you screwed up again. Traci Guns had the band name LA Guns. Axl and Izzy had the band name "Hollywood Rose." When the two bands merged, they decided to combine the names. At that time Traci formed a new band and kept the name "LA Guns." Axl didn't steal a name and you still don't know what youre talking about. Do yourself and this website a favor, and DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU WRITE!!!

Brent,

Too much caffeine, there, chief. Indeed, I don't have all the facts on an album that doesn't exist. I also am most certainly wrong about several of the track selections on an album that doesn't exist.

When it comes out in 2012, surely there will be much for me to apologize for.

I am keenly aware of Hollywood Rose, and Traci Guns... and that Guns then went on to form LA Guns. I am surprised you didn't ream me for not calling Axl by this birth name (William Bailey).

I am aware the title exists of Kansas 'Dust in the Wind'. However, having never heard G&R do it, I figured it was (and remains one) a distinct possiblity that it was it's own song. Titles arne't copywrightable, but you probably already knew that.

From the research I have done, this is the most complete discussion of Chinese Democracy yet. I know it isn't much, but in fifteen years we have only seen this guy thrice. Once was getting arrested in an AZ airport, and the other was fighting Tommy Hilfiger. So, instead of being an over reactions hothead insulting my very existance... why not try and contribute positive information and dialogue? I am a just a music fan, and don't have the time or energy for a flame war.

My full list of Chinese Democracy MP3s conisist of Better, The Blues, I.R.S., Chinese Democracy, There Was a Time, and Madagascar. These all sound like studio versions. I'm definetlly willing to trade any/all of em' for a copy of This is Love. I've never even heard of it but it sounds great.

Good article, Take a listen to all the released songs (demos?) and write at us again. Have you read the article that talks about Sebatchain bach talking about Axl's planned 3 CD Release over the next 12 years? Good read.

Your review is full of mistakes, please do better research before writing something online, and the album not being out isnt an excuse, theres more written about this album than alot of albums that are out
shadow of your love as already said is a b-side from pre-appetite
Dust in the Wind is a cover played live with the old band, dont you here the obvious slash solo?
Crash Diet is a song recorded during the illusions sessions, but slash isnt on guitar
Madagascar does have a studio version around, but it definitely doesnt have live noises added in, ur probably listening to a cleaned up live version
What you call This I love is Locomotive off of Use Your Illusions 2, dont review a band if you cant even recognize there old tracks
IRS, Better and Catcher in the Rye are easy to find, and Better is the best track of all of them in my opinion

I agree no list of the upcoming Chinese Democracy album is complete without Better. Also Catcher in the Rye. I like other GNR fans are upset about the wait. 2006-2007 seemed positive that it would finally be released. I think current rumors that it is done, and Geffen Records is shopping it, because they have an unearthly sum invested in the album are in fact true. I am cautiously optimistic that it will be released in 2008. I also think Sebastian Bach's statement that it is really 4 albums is absolutely true. Axl obviously has so much material that has been recorded, he could release that many albums. However, with all of the band changes, it really does create a hurdle to get the thing released. If any of those individuals, like say, Buckethead have writing credits, then there are realistic legal impediments to release the album. I think for the album and the band to ever re-attain their mono-lithic status the album[s] will have to be released, and the original line-up will have to re-unite. I have seen weirder things happen.

Ok, I totally agree I should have known about the Use your Illusion piece (Locomotive). That is indeed my bad for not knowing it. However, I haven't listened to either 'Illusions' albums for at least fifteen years, and this track keeps rearing it's head on the pirate sites attributing it to the new disc.

in addition, 'Dust in the Wind' is absolutely not a Kansas cover. it's a new track, piano ballad of course.

So, sorry I wasn't as complete. I agree that is on me. This is free stuff, though, folks. It's pretty good for free. With all your contributions (even the mean ones), perhaps this piece will be the definitive piece. In addition, I absolutely believe this will see the light of day this year. It costs too much not be on the market. My guess is fall or christmas. It couldn't be much earlier, or it would already be circulating the radio stations.

You're right its not a Kansas cover, it's a Todd Rundgren cover. my mistake, and I can see I did not do my research on that one. It was preformed on the UYI tour. Here's a link to a video of GNR playing it live in '93.

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Nobody can take this piece seriously - just because an album hasn't been heard for fifteen years doesn't mean you could forget a track, listen to it again and not remember it? Bandwagon jumping, lame research, trying to make a name for yourself with showboat journalism, trouble is the facts and the finesse are both missing from the writing.

Shackler's reveng is pretty good too,, i'd say 2nd best, Better being 1st place,, I.R.S or TWAT coming n third,.,,, in my opinion that is.

But ahh how great a reunion would be, even if it was just a few shows. I'm sure if they got together for one tour, they would forget all the hating on each other, the attention they would get would be too good to pass up,, coz i know the croud would go crazy, if say, Slash suddenly appeared on stage, HECK izzy's made peace,, im sure the other's can too, Steven even seems keen.

Lets all hope right guys :)