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Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:19:40 EDT

Ruvy: Don't dance on that grave just yet, okay? The next "Great Empire" in line.... The whole point of messianic redemption is that there is no "next great empire" in line, Cannonshop. Those of us who survive what's coming will not need to worry about Chinese selling missiles to "Ali". "Ali" and his relatives will be busy sacrificing lambs at OUR Temple in Jerusalem. I have the nasty feeling that the Chinese will be cheated out of the empire they think is on their ménu in the future.... Just a thought for you. I don't dance on the grave of the American empire. I grew up there, and while they are ruled by an evil regime, Americans, by and large, are damned decent people.

Comment by Cannonshop on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:47:47 EDT

Pablo: I apologize if I gave offense, sir. Most of my "Knowledge" about SE asia comes from the people I work with, and most of them got out of there as soon as they physically could. I rather suspect the impressions are, therefore, biased. However, they are generally people of what I would term "Good Character", and I tend to trust them over the assertions of someone I haven't met, and don't know a damn thing about. However, per the basic rule of civilized discourse, I have to take you at your word that you are not blowing smoke about your experiences, and that your impressions are articulated as the truth-at least, the truth as you best know it. All the above said, I find your apparent inability to attack a position without attacking the person holding it to be...well, I know a LOT of socialist-type Democrats who do the same thing, most of them haven't grown in maturity since they were seventeen and discovered "Peace-Love-Dope" as a lifestyle, where the only part they actually truly embrace being the dope part. It's nice that you haven't ever had to kill anybody-it truly DOES screw with the ability to do normal things like sleep, eat, or not feel like a monster. Even doing it self defense (and being assured by the Police at the time) doesn't make it any easier to deal with. However, it's easier to live with THAT guilt, than to die knowing that the bastard's going to probably do it to someone else (Yah, selfishly un-christian of me...oh well). 'cause you know what? dying sucks, giving in to violent asshats sucks. Being terrorized? sucks. I try to hold people to the same low standard I hold myself to- that is, I expect them to back up what they claim to believe, fulfill their offices, and keep their oaths (or don't make them). therefore, Irene, I voted for Ron Paul in the primary-not that it made a damn bit of difference here in the left-fascist state of Washington, where your vote will be counted (or countered) even if you didn't cast it, or you died, or you're not legally entitled to cast a vote as a felon (who needs third world dictators when we have Machine Politics and corrupt election officials right here at home?) And I'll probably cast my protest vote again, because this year, the choices are equally repulsive no matter which mealy-mouthed hypocrite wins the Democratic Primary, now that McCain has the Republican side sewn up. Ruvy: Don't dance on that grave just yet, okay? The next "Great Empire" in line is even LESS likely to support Israeli independence than the U.S. is=if I recall correctly, the Chinese like to sell rockets to gentlemen with names like "Ali", and aren't particularly partial to ethnic minorities who stubbornly insist on maintaining their own little states that just happen to disrupt the feelings of their neighbours, while the Europeans' dominant states tend to be thinking that adopting sharia law and appeasing their "Guest workers" is a bit more important than remembering a history most of them are desperately trying to forget...(and EADS has no objections to selling the Islamo-Fascists next door to you high-end military gear while the french like to build breeder reactors for some rather questionable folks...most of whom don't like Israel one-tiny-bit). I just don't think that South Africa's going to remember that Israel circumvented the arms embargoes and traded with 'em when nobody else would. You guys don't have a LOT of friends, but you've got LOTS of enemies for a nation your size, and no geographic barriers to cover your collective ass if those enemies feel free to attack or isolate you.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 03:17:43 EDT

Irene, If I respond to you, I make you break your Lenten vows. If I don't thank you for your kind wishes, I'm being impolite.... Hmmmm.....

Comment by Irene Wagner on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:39:55 EDT

...or I could try to hold to my promise til the Sunday after REAL Passover, the day the Jews (and the Eastern Orthodox, too, I think) celebrate it which is...April 20 this year. Anyway, Ruvy, take care. It sounds dangerous over there.

Comment by Irene Wagner on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:02:58 EDT

Ruvy, I read it all. I didn't do a very good job of staying out of blogcritics during Lent, did I? There's always next year...

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:42:03 EDT

Irene, Finally, I made an error in comment #149. This paragraph should read as follows: "It won't be too long before all this bursts forth in a fiery war of extermination against Israel and its Jews. How long do you think G-d will NOT punish a sinful people that not only ignores the Torah but spits in its face, both religious and non-religious alike? And for how long do you think the IDF will hold back from retaliating against Gaza in a vicious way?"

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:33:57 EDT

And thank you for the holiday wishes, Irene... Reuven

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:25:38 EDT

Ruvy, opening days of how long a span? From your perspective, that could be as many as 232 years from now. Irene, From my perspective, it is always wise to have "Plan B" ready if "Plan A" falls through - you know, the mind of a prudent businessman. "Plan B" is the 6,000 year cycle from what rabbis refer to as the "creation" of Adam. That cycle ends 232 years from now. But "Plan A" is the one that seems to be occurring in front of my eyes. This is the one that calls for the messianic redemption to be done and over with by the year 5790, just 22 years away. Let's take a little look-see. "Gathering against us": Zechariah talks about how the armies of the world will come to do battle in the Valley of G-d's Judgment. What armies? 1. armies from Europe, now sitting off the coast of Lebanon, along with a whole enfilade of secret agents in Gaza; 2. armies from America, now sitting en masse in Iraq, as well as in bases in Israel; 3. armies from Russia, which has its fleet sitting off Syria, with ships slipping south to Israel on spying missions all the time; 4. armies from Iran, which equips and commands Hizb'Allah directly in Lebanon, and is obtaining control of Hamas, bit by bit; 5. armies from Egypt, strengthening themselves all the time; 6. armies from Syria, sitting in Lebanon and in Syria ready to invade.... It is Jeremiah, I believe, who talks of smart arrows For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows [shall be] as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.[Jeremiah 50:9] And what did we see in "both" Gulf Wars (this is really one war)? Guided missiles that were smart like smart arrows. According to a medresh (a tale with a moral warning in it) in the Talmud, "Galilee will be a heap". We have aldready seen one bombardment of the Galilee - we will yet see another such bombardment. Hizb'Allah sits in southern Lebanon, piled with missiles, overloaded like a hive full of "honey". For Gaza will be abandoned, And Ashkelon a desolation; Ashdod will be driven out at noon, And Ekron will be uprooted... So the seacoast will be pastures, With caves for shepherds and folds for flocks.... And the coast will be For the remnant of the house of Judah, They will pasture on it. In the houses of Ashkelon they will lie down at evening; For the LORD their God will care for them And restore their fortune.[Zephaniah 2:4,6] We see rockets aimed at Ashkelon daily; we see how Hamas can easily destroy it and Ashdod with rockets hitting electric and chemical plants there. How long do you think the rockets will fall short of the targets? It won't be too long before all this bursts forth in a fiery war of extermination against Israel and its Jews. How long do you think G-d will punish a sinful people that not only ignores the Torah but spits in its face, both religious and non-religious alike? And for how long do you think the IDF will hold back from retaliating in a vicious way? In addition, there are the fault lines running under the area of the Temple Mount and the Mount of Olives; recently earthquakes have hit the country, mild ones to be sure, but warnings of a much bigger one to come- with damage that appears to deliver a messge - only the prime minister's office was damaged in one; only the Knesset was damaged in another. One good solid shake and the Temple Mount will fall like the heap of garbage it really is. You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him! {Zechariah 14:5} My "confidence" in "Plan A" is based on what I've seen here in the few short years I've lived here, and in the kinds of things that I've seen happen here. Finally, we have the commentary on the last vision of Moses before he dies on Har Nev�. Targ�m Yonat�n stated that Moses saw until the end of days, rather than merely to the "end of the sea" as the text indicates, and that he saw that thousands of Jews would go against "Dekalia". Three years ago, we saw thousands of Jews go against Nevé Dekal�m, in Gush Qatif. I never believed I would see Jews kicked out of their homes like so many dogs by fellow Jews in the summer of 2005 - but that is exactly what I saw. I realized that this generation, as our sages are wont to say, "has the face of a dog". Just such a generation is the generation these sages predict the messiah shall arrive in, if there is no repentance. And from what I can see, there is no repentance from the traitors who inhabit Government Hill here. So, I'm confident in my general prediction; the messiah will arrive soon. Look over several of my articles for the last year and a half, and you'll see that these issues are the ones I've dealt with. Sorry to have detained you for so long with all of this material, Irene, and for straying off of John Bambenek's article so far...

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:53:22 EDT

Irene, I am NOT trying to influence anyone, I am merely expressing my opinions on this site because I can. I do my influencing on a personal face to face discussiong with friends, family and acquaintances. I like stirring up people on this site. I like pin pricking prejudice, I enjoy making right wingers squirm. Is purely personal entertainment for me. Do you actually think that I could give a damned what Clavos thinks of me??? Or Davey boy? I dont, and I can assure you that I would never associate with them on a personal basis, as I am far to picky about who I am friends with. I enjoy needling them, its that simple, and I think I do a very good job of it too! I represent no one but myself, my opinions, thoughts, and responses. When Clavos told me to fuck off today, I liked it! When a person such as himself finds me distasteful, it makes my day. Quite frankly I cant stand most of the snipers on here, as they have no idea how to actually engage in debate and civility, so I respond in kind, so that at the very least I get some entertainment value out of it. I hope this explains a bit more to you about myself Irene and what makes me tick.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:44:13 EDT

Irene, Here is a quick civics lesson for you: US Constitution Article 1 Section 8 "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water" When the President as he did in Vietnam sends troops to a foreign country without this formal declartion of War, it is unconstitutional. When the congress under the AUMF (Authorization to Use Militry Force in Irag) resolution was passed this too was unconstitutional. A resolution is NOT an act of congress, particularly not an ACT to declare war. So when a young buck who does not know how to uphold the Constitution that they SWORE to, and to defend it, goes off and kills other human being, in my opinion for NOTHING, they get NOTHING but contempt from me for it. I do not condone murder individually or en masse. I knew at age 12 in 1965 that the war in Vietnam was illegal. Vietnam did not attack us, or threaten us in ANY way, the same is true of Iraq. I condemn murder. I suggest you do the same, particularly if you are a Christian.

Comment by Irene Wagner on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:30:09 EDT

Pablo, there's likely to be an election in 2012, if someone hasn't passed an executive order to lengthen term limits so we have a "President for Life." If you want to support a Libertarian then, or a Republican trying to get the Republican platform to at least RESEMBLE what it used to be---and Ron Paul delegates have a chance of at LEAST doing that in '08--then you may want to reconsider your approach to "influencing" people. Pablo, many MANY who served/are serving in the US military thought/think they were doing the right thing. It's hard NOT to have contempt for the people who cynically used their patriotism. I don't know if I'd have fought the American Revolution the way it was fought. Maybe it could have been a rEVOLution, too. Be that as it may, I'd like you to name ONE signer of the Declaration of Independence who was shy about getting behind a musket. Go ahead Pablo. Fill us all in. Were they all monsters, too?

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:23:35 EDT

Pablo bends over for Clavos, please use a condom sweetie.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:11:36 EDT

Irene, I also wonder if you read my piece on blogcritics about Mr. Paul. If you had perhaps you would not be so quick to denigrate me for running off as it were. That is of course if your barb was directed at me, which I think that it was. If you have not read it, perhaps you might want to. As to my particular politcal philosophy reflecting badly on him as you suggested, quite frankly the opposite is true. Candidates are supposed to represent their respective constituencies not the other way around. I make no apology to you or anyone else on this site for my sarcasm, wit, bitterness, or rage. Of particular note regarding Mr. Paul, he lost me as a fan, and many others because of his cowtowing on 9/11. Other than that particular issue I happen to agree with him on the other main issues of the day, ie the FED, the CFR, the Constitution, and not being the world's cop. Like I said before Irene, I am not on this site to win a popularity contest, nor do my opinions reflect anyone else's but my own, and I will continue to espouse them when I feel like it.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:54:37 EDT

Irene, I detect being the paranoid that I am that that Ron Paul reference may have been directed at me. Let me tell you something dear. I have been a adamant fan of Mr. Paul for at least ten years. YOU? I have read several of his books, watched him arise in popularity, unbeknownst to you probably on the Alex Jonse show. If you doubt what I am saying is true I can provide you with the url of the particular radio show of Alex's whre Mr. Paul said in no uncertain terms that he got is big push in running for president from that show. I do not run off and scamper, he is not going to win, and has all but retired from the race. You can talk directly with me Elaine if you would like to about Mr. Paul, but to couch in vague terms an attack on me abandoning Mr. Paul is disengenuos at best. I suspect you probably never heard of him as recently as last year dear.

Comment by Irene Wagner on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:46:58 EDT

Ruvy, opening days of how long a span? From your perspective, that could be as many as 232 years from now. From mine, it could have been any day after 70 A.D. until thousands or hundreds of thousands years from now. In certain oriental cultures, the marriage celebration starts when the bridegroom arrives from out-of-town to fetch his betrothed. The timing of his arrival is supposed to be a Big Surprise, but it's a surprise for which his future wife is to be in constant preparation. She'd better be doing what she's supposed to be doing when he gets back. You and I have different ideas about what that preparation entails. All times are "interesting times." I don't know the future. Even if America should collapse economically, there'll still be people living here, and they may EVEN be trying to put the pieces back together again. I have a responsibility to the next generation and to the ones that may come after. Today is my time for continuing to support the ideas of a man who has been vilified on this site and in the press. I try to have a *little* understanding of what I'm talking about. I don't pretend to be a font of all wisdom. At least I'm not like ^^^^SOME PEOPLE^^^^^around here who "supported" Ron Paul's candidacy, then scampered off after they'd done their damage. Have a happy Purim, Ruvy.

Comment by zingzing on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:19:57 EDT

yay! ruvy gets to see things! i'm just glad i get to see him seeing things. the messiah is coming to get you, ruv-bara.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:08:16 EDT

Clavos, What happened to the littel pixels on the screeen?

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:08:16 EDT

Pablo, I protested the war in Vietnam, particularly because I thought it was a waste of American lives and treasure. And I've lived to be proven right. I was fooled about Iraq the first time, but not the second. Nevertheless re-read what I wrote to you in comment #89. A mighty empire was meant to fall during my lifetime - Edom - the American empire. And we are seeing exactly how it is falling - it is falling into penury. I've been cursed to live in "interesting" times. We all have. You too, Irene. But I've been blessed to see the opening days of the messianic redemption. And I'm grateful for the understanding to realize that this is indeed what I'm seeing.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:06:18 EDT

Irene, I will don't worry dear.

Comment by Irene Wagner on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:58:47 EDT

Pablo, if you like the results you're getting from "returning in kind," go ahead and keep it up.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:09:12 EDT

As to being a monster Irene. I have NEVER killed another human being, has Clavos? I have NEVER pointed a weapon at another human being. I have never perpetrated violence against another human being. I treat others as they treat me. I am not a christian, I do not believe in turning the other cheek. If I am shown respect I return it in kind. If I am shown contempt, I also return that in kind. People such as Clavos have dont NOTHING but ridicule my opinion (certainly his right) since I started on this site. Instead of debating on the issues of the day in a civilized intelligent manner, I have been treated with name calling, and defamation. I still will debate in a civilized way if such people as Clavos, STM, Dave, and a few others want to. Unfortunately that is not what I see. Thus I will return in kind. I am no longer for Ron Paul for President Irene, so whatever I have to say does not reflect on YOU or his followers. I SPEAK for myself.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:00:53 EDT

Irene, I am not on this site to win a popularity contest dear. I am on it to express MY opinion. I could care less if people disagree with me, call me tin foil hat, or any of the other deragatory comments that I have read. I will continue to express myeslf as long as I live, critics be damned. There as a day when Galileo was condemned and ridiculed, that didnt make what he had to say any less true. The fact that most people on this site have absolutely no idea what is going on in terms of such things as the war on terror, the bilderberg group, the cfr, the trilateral commission, the rockefellers sordid history of eugenics, the moslem brotherhood being infiltrated bye US and UK intelligence for over 40 years, mk ultra, the tuskagee experiments, shit i could go on all day. In MY opinion facism is alive and well, and I will protest it, expose it, challenge it as long as I have breath. My critics be damned. That also goes for the Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman of the Union Banking Corporation, and Brown Brothers Harriman, who openly financed Hitler, and Auscwitz.

Comment by Irene Wagner on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:51:22 EDT

It's true Pablos, your ideas haven't been well received on this site. Neither have mine. Remember I support Ron Paul, too, which is why I am particularly HORRIFIED at the way you're attacking PEOPLE rather than their ideas. You make ALL of us look bad. So you're protesting wars? You(mis)quoted Jesus to me, I'll give a loose translation of a Friedrich Nietzsche aphorism to YOU: "If you are fighting monsters, beware lest you become one yourself." I've got stuff to do.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:46:25 EDT

Baronius, I concur with your above post wholeheartedly.

Comment by Pablo on And the Yoke Shall Deliver You from Evil?

Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:41:27 EDT

Cannonship I travel ALONE, not in groups. I have been to the Pol Pot museum of death. I have lived among Hmong,and the Laotions, been in their homes. Laughed with them, shared food with them. Your assuming about me only shows your ignorance sir. I have travelled alone from Bangkok to Udon Thani,Ubon Rathcathani, Vientiane, Khon Kaen, Vang Vien, Luang Prabang, and many many other places I am quite sure you have never heard of. If you want to talk about Southeast Asia, it is my forte. Feel free. In a tour? Hardly