Blogcritics Comments on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Comment by Bennett on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:26:41 EST

Not personally, so perhaps my comments are ignorant speculation. If so, sorry about that.

Comment by Dr Dreadful on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:20:06 EST

Bennett, do you even know how welfare works?

Comment by Bennett on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:59:34 EST

Baritone, exceptional expansion of Jonathon's post. Also, the wiki page on Liberal was eye opening for me. I'd say I fall into the Liberal camp by that definition, short of implementing the welfare state of Johnson's Great Society. If welfare had been limited to free quality child care if the parents were attending free job training or while working, or college that was free up front but to be repaid from wages earned at a later time, our country would be so much stronger and better educated. When the government started handing out food stamps and 'welfare benefits' (what a misnomer that is) we started down the path of chronic laziness and poverty, imo.

Comment by Baritone on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:51:12 EST

In some respects all this talk about generations - who is a member of what - seems to me largely irrelevant. Whether one defines his or her membership in a "generation" has more to do with mind set than with time. I found it difficult to follow Alex's reasoning at times. It is a bit odd to make a charge against boomers who "are letting their own children die every single day and they are not even sure why." Alex should remember that approximately 57000 members of the boomer generation died in the jungles and rice paddies of Vietnam, and for what? Dominoes? There are, in fact, a significant number of boomers who have been and remain opposed to the Iraq war. But this is always the way with war, isn't it? The graybeards are pretty much always the ones who declare war, but it is always their children who are burdened with its execution. Should the boomers have learned by its own experience the horror and futility of war? Perhaps. But, again, the same can be said of virtually every generation. Few generations of any period have lived out their lives without some involvement with war. Yet, regardless of how terrible, how gut wrenching, how disastrous any war may be, the cycle invariably begins once again, before the ink is dry on any articles of surrender or proclamations of peace. Those who fought the wars, with time tend to forget the horror, the futility, the idiocy of them. I, too, think Jonathon has hit upon an interesting notion regarding Obama's campaign tactics. He is teflon. Nothing much sticks to him. He has learned lessons of most martial arts practitioners. He dodges and paries his opponent's thrusts allowing their momentum to send them tumbling of their own accord; then graciously offering them a hand up and usually with a smile. American voters have never seen the like. Dave still asserts that Obama is all bullshit and no substance. It's true that Obama only rarely deals with issues in depth. That actually may be to his credit. No candidate (unless an incumbant) really knows how to navigate the often treacherous political waters of public office. It is probably wiser to avoid painting oneself into a corner before the fact. While that may be looked upon as lacking in courage or foresight, it is, I think, preferable to being showered with pie-in-the-sky promises of a land of milk and honey that no office holder can even hope to achieve. As most of us know, campaign promises are generally far less reliable than your average weather forecast. While Obama is largely unproven as an administrator, he has demonstrated that he is fairly unflappable and seems able to remain above the fray. Clear thinking may prove to be more vital than any particular ideology or political agenda. B-tone

Comment by PollWatcher on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:53:31 EST

You've written an interesting analysis here, but it is relevant to note that there is a growing consensus in the media and among experts that Obama is part of Generation Jones (the heretofore lost generation between the Boomers and Xers, born 1954-1965). I recently heard a panel of generation experts on a radio program who concluded that Obama is of Generation Jones. They did a good job of methodically going through his bio and political positions and style, and it was pretty obvious when juxtaposing these variables against the archetypes of each of these generations, that Barack is GenJones. Major media recently has discovered this as well. The New York Times, Wall Strret Journal, and Newsweek Magazine have all recently run pieces which have argued that Obama is specifically a member of Generation Jones, not the Baby Boom Generation nor Generation X.

Comment by Dr Dreadful on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:47:36 EST

troll: I wouldn't want a gorilla. I mean, it would be able to steer from the back seat, but its feet wouldn't be able to reach the pedals and all those wildlife camera crews following it around would be a real distraction from driving.

Comment by Irene Wagner on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:41:10 EST

take our advice... at any price... Rhetoric says change. Voting record says guerrilla.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:11:07 EST

I have to agree with Clavos, Jonathan. There is much food for thought in your observations.

Comment by troll on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:10:53 EST

I'd prefer a gorilla driver

Comment by Clavos on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:09:21 EST

An interesting analysis, Jonathan. Lot of food for thought there. "All of this comes out of traditional Guerrilla strategy; and to tell you the truth, if I were picking a leader then this is exactly the kind of skill I would want at the helm." Given the temper (and problems) of the times, a guerrilla driver would certainly have the right mindset and insight to deal with today's world. At the very least, Obama has run the most successful (and interesting, in terms of tactics) campaign thus far this political season.

Comment by Jonathan Scanlan on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:58:44 EST

Personally, I think the real reason Obama has such a following is more a matter of strategy than anything else. While McCain and Clinton both rely on a siege approach, he is using guerrilla strategy to turn them against themselves. First and foremost, he chose the terrain by talking about change, and it is his own rhetoric that has become the dominating theme. By choosing not to play the games of the other candidates, he has lead them into his own hands. Second of all, he has sought to get the media and people on side by virtue of his identity and underdog status. Over time he has tuned his rhetoric in attempts to win ever more demographics, and not worrying about those who have already decided. Third, by depriving his opponents of resources. By "discrediting" the value of experience, he has deprived Clinton and McCain of their status. If you remove and opponent's resources they will crumble from within. All of this comes out of traditional Guerrilla strategy; and to tell you the truth, if I were picking a leader then this is exactly the kind of skill I would want at the helm.

Comment by Randy Moser on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:11:59 EST

I've read some arguments that Obama belongs to Generation Jones, which appears to be a subset of Gen X in many ways. Whatever this (60-64') cohort is, it's difficult to align folks like Johnny Rotten and Douglas Coupland with the flower children of the sixties. I think it was Howe and Strauss that said that Generation X fuelled the Reagan revolution. The only problem with this theory is that the bulk of Gen Xers weren't of voting age when Ronnie was elected. This is part of the wishful thinking program than conservatives wrote about us Xers in the middle to late 90s, when the grunge thing was winding down... That we were actually pro lifrs who would kill social security once and for all, etc... I think the issue is generational. A lot of folks my age just stayed away from the voting booth when Boomers were running. Whether Obama is a Boomer or not, most of us see him as an Xer and we believe his rhetoric of hope. That might seem like a long stretch for us, given how we've been stereotyped as cynical, but we were never as bleak as the media wanted to write us. We were just waiting for someone to represent us. VM

Comment by Dave Nalle on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 04:24:49 EST

I was hoping our international editor would pick up on it. I've been unable to do much editing this weekend. If he doesn't get to it shortly I'll bite the bullet. Dave

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 03:40:45 EST

And Dave, since you came around to comment, and since I can't get into my webmail, why is my piece on Rabbi Kahane, z"l, hy"d, still in pending after three days? Is the backlog that long?

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 03:38:07 EST

Alex, if your article had some truth to it in terms of its prescription, it would be wonderful. But Barack Obama is not your savior, and if there are elections and you indeed elect him, you will discover this to your horror. He is no better than any of the other idiots running for office - just younger and different in appearance.

Comment by Dave Nalle on The Rise of a Judicious Generation

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 02:19:29 EST

Why Alex, this sounds almost as good as an Obama speech and it's certainly just as much pure BS. It's 2 parts hero worship and one part wishful thinking and all blather with nothing to back it up. Technically the baby boom lasted from 46-64, so Obama himself IS a baby boomer, so he can't very well epitomize the post-boom generation. You also make a LOT of assumptions about the new generation, many of them likely untrue or at best overly generalized. Young voters drove the Reagan Revolution and now that those voters are a bit older, they're playing a big role in government nationwide. They're a force to be reckoned with. And the really, really young voters who flock to Obama are likely TWO functional generations removed from the Baby Boom. They may well be the kids of the kids of the baby boomers. A sophomore in College this year was likely born in 1990 and his parents were probably born in the late 60s, just after the end of the Baby Boom. How does that figure in? Generation X (between the baby boom and the Obama generation Y kids) went from punk rock to corporate lackey and Reagan footsoldier, and even if their kids are driving change, it's going to be those Gen-Xers who end up holding the reigns of power because a bunch of teens and 20 year olds have no idea what the hell to do with power if it gets handed to them. Dave Dave