Blogcritics Comments on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:50:03 EST

Headline News on yahoo today: Experts urge U.S. to prevent election rigging in Pakistan. I choked on my cereal.

Comment by Dave Nalle on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:41:33 EST

How could I possibly prove voter fraud? Unless I were an inside conspirator to said crime. Sometimes you say things which really are mindboggling. Do we not regularly get convictions of people on crimes without their cooperation? There's something called evidence. For that matter, in our system there's also something called 'presumption of innocence'. You might want to look into it sometime. It means that in the absence of proof that election fraud was committed, we don't assume that it has been or make unmerited accusations of who committed it. yes I ASSUME that they are fixing elections for all of the reasons that I have put forth. None of which can even vaguely be defined as actual evidence. Dave

Comment by REMF on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:38:21 EST

"And like most "americanisms" of words and phrases of foreign origin, it's a bastardization of the original, reflecting americans' abysmal ignorance of any language but their own, which itself is a bastardization of English." Yes, especially the word "graet"

Comment by Clavos on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:57:57 EST

The Pentagon and security agencies routinely keep highly classified information on their computer systems. If those systems were all that vulnerable to hackers and security breeches, common sense tells you they wouldn't keep classified information on them. The same goes for banks, brokerage houses and just about every business with trade secrets. If the voting machines are vulnerable, fix 'em. It's not rocket surgery...

Comment by Lumpy on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:33:35 EST

I prefer my Babbage Engine, Pablito. As for your programmer I have no idea what his qualifiations as a programmer are but he clearly has no experience as an election monitor. I do. We are required to periodically patrol the area around the polling place. We're looking for illegal electioneering but we'd certainly spot your partisan hacker especially now that this issue is known. But like I said simple security can prevent this in the future.

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:11:44 EST

Lumpy, the progammer also said it would be almost impossible to detect voter fraud too. As to dogmatic blindness. Ummm what particular form of dogma am I aligned with? Yours is so obvious you can't see the forest for the trees sir. While on the subject of pda's, why dont you check out central tabulators?

Comment by Lumpy on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:27:00 EST

Great example of the dogmatic blindness u display constantly. The fact that the intrusion into the database is almost undetectable as the guy says on the video does not mean that the fraud is undetectable. After the fact u can't tell if ballots were shredded either. But in either cas u can see the fraudster behaving suspiciously or he can be ratted out by confederates. You think a poll worker wonlt report a guy qho hangs out at the polling place for 20 minutes not voting and using his PDA the whole time? Plus simple industry standard security hardware could easily prevent a lot of the potential hacking.

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:25:47 EST

Lumpy, That's kinda funny coming from you. Last time I checked the republicans are attempting (and they will probably succeed with the new rubber stamp Supreme Court) to make it even harder for minorities and others to vote). Even though they have no "evidence" of said fraud. As to the evidence of probably crime, it is invisible, why don't you take the time to watch the video, where a computer programmer hired by voting machine companies says that it is all but impossible to detect fraud. Your tin foil hat is showing again Lumpy.

Comment by Lumpy on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:40:04 EST

Pablito that last one is dumb even for u. How do u prove any crime? U get witnesses and question those inoilved and find evidence. With the number of leftist nuts out looking for evidence of voter fraud it would be found if it were happening. And in fact some has been found. Mostly democrats registering dead people.

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:33:08 EST

Dave, post 36 How could I possibly prove voter fraud? Unless I were an inside conspirator to said crime. Of course I cannot. What I am doing is pointing out (such as the case in S Carolina, blatant violations of constitutional law. It it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, more than likely it is a duck. That is all I have been saying, yes I ASSUME that they are fixing elections for all of the reasons that I have put forth.

Comment by Dave Nalle on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:35:32 EST

Let me ask you Dave, would you deposit your dough in an atm that didnt work? Sure you would........ I wouldn't deposit my money in an ATM whether it worked or not. You seem to be under the impression that I'm in favor of these computerized voting machines. Where on earth did you get that idea? Understanding that there are no documented instances of fraud with them and thinking they are acceptable are not the same thing. Dave

Comment by Dave Nalle on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:33:26 EST

Stan, we have verifiers at the polls and overseeing the counting of ballots. They don't go into the polling booth with you and watch how you vote, but that's about it. As to what Pablo's getting at about the SC election process, it's a bit unclear to me. Maybe he's trying to point out that SC uses particularly crappy voting machines that a lot of other states are junking? Or maybe he's raising an interesting question - it could happen. To wit, how does one fulfill the oversight requirement he noted when votes are being tabulated in virtual space rather than physical space. It's a valid question which I don't have an answer to and which I think could be grounds for a legal challenge to the outcome in SC. Of course it's still not proof of fraud, just another reason to be concerned with the shortcomings of computerized voting machines. Dave

Comment by STM on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:39:19 EST

No independent election scrutineers to watch the whole process, including counting?

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:32:03 EST

STM Yes secret ballots, not counted in SECRET. As in unverifiable, as in untraceable......as in WE have been had :)

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:29:06 EST

I dont drink much, im out of smoke

Comment by STM on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:27:44 EST

Don't you have secret ballot in the US??

Comment by STM on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:26:37 EST

DD: "I thought it was S.P.E.C.T.R.E." Them too. And SMERSH.

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:26:24 EST

Here is a new one for ya Dave: On the next rigged election S Carolina. Here is a quote from their constitution Article 2 Section 1: SECTION 1. Elections to be by secret ballot; protection of right of suffrage. All elections by the people shall be by secret ballot, but the ballots shall not be counted in secret. Can't wait to hear you twist this one. As in SECRET. As in source code, as in no one can see. As in UNVERIFIABLE. Sure Dave, I am the naive one here.

Comment by STM on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:25:25 EST

No, Scotch is the drink of the British. A couple of Virginia White Lightnings perhaps??

Comment by Clavos on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:20:13 EST

Pablito's had a couple too many scotches this evening...

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:17:51 EST

STM, I couldnt agree more. Dave the libertarian has other ideas. He is still waiting for the easter bunny. The world is MADE of conspiracies, and the fact that Dave doesnt understand that speaks volumes about his ability to comprehend the world. As I have said before I am NOT paranoid, if I were, I would hardly be talking on here. I am a realist plain and simple, those that believe that this, or the last, or the election before that were fair in any sense of the imagination are just plain DUMB.

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:14:13 EST

Can you imagine how paranoid someone must be to actually believe that the election system in the land of the free home of the brave could be fixed??? That people would actually conspire to FIX elections? Wow..........call the nuthouse. Who is the nut here??? hmmmmm?? Talk about GULLIBLE.........I chuckle to myself.......no accountability..........no trail.........made my dickheads........corporate diebold dickheads........no wonder they pulled it off. Piece o cake. Kinda reminds me of Bill O'lielly recently calling cnbc (general electric) liberal, I guess thats why they sued to have Kucinich barred. You will believe ANYTHING. Yet I am the paranoid one, I am the guy with no sense. Sure Dave you keep thinkin that. If you were to be anymore naive, and frankly dumb, it would be amazing. The only conspiracy here is that a whole lotta dumb americans have been taken for a ride, and for the most part, very few of em even notice. They are too busy watching the playoffs and drinkin Coors lite. Where did YOU learn to trust government Dave. Was that in your libertarian manual? Still believe in the tooth fairy too do ya?

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:06:07 EST

btw, if the election system was any more fixed, you could drive a mack truck through it. I will also give you great terms on the property in the Sahara.........its so gorgeous.........even trout in the stream. Your just the SUCKER I have been lookin for dude. :) :)

Comment by Pablo on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:03:19 EST

Dave, I suppose you didnt watch the video of the guy testifying before congress.........if you had you would have noticed several things. The first that he said I think three time, that if the exit polls diverged much, that in his professional opinion the election was fixed. You would also have seen the memory cards.....and you probably didnt know that the head of the voter machine company in NH had no problem with walking around during an election with spare memory cards in his pocket. In the words of HL Mencken nobody ever went broke UNERESTIMATING the intelligence of the American people. How apt. I still have that forest with a beautiful stream in the Sahara desert for ya Dave, send me an email, and we can discuss terms.

Comment by Dr Dreadful on Pablum and Milktoast: Presidential Elections in the Land of the Free

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:59:28 EST

I thought it was S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Damn you, Blofeld!