Blogcritics Comments on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Comment by Jacob on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:03:36 EST

"They just want to advise politicians and promote a pro-american foreign policy. What's so bad about that?" Their policy isn't pro-American. It doesn't do a bit of good for me or my friends. How about you and your friends?

Comment by Lumpy on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:17:48 EST

If you're a conservative and are looking for a foreign policy advisor, who are you going to use that isn't some sort of neocon? You're mistake is in thinking that neocons are evil. They aren't. First off they seem not to want to actually run the country which is more than I can say for a lot of people with political agendas. They just want to advise politicians and promote a pro-american foreign policy. What's so bad about that?

Comment by Jacob on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:31:56 EST

The neocons converted the GOP (Grand Old Party) into what Norman Podhoretz wants it to be... The Grand Old Party (?) wants nothing to do with Ron Paul. That should be obvious. Ron Paul didn't leave the GOP -- it left him and other REAL Republicans. Ron Paul is a REAL Republican.

Comment by Irene Wagner on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:16:20 EST

So much for emoticons, Clavos. :**( I guess the joke fell flat, but the comment was mainly a vehicle for posting Ron Paul's address to the House of Reps on the origin and modern-day impact of Neoconservatism.

Comment by Clavos on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:07:18 EST

Irene, Please go back and re-read my comment. I didn't say RP was a neocon. I said that the twisted logic (or total lack thereof) of Jacob's comment leads one to the conclusion that he is. I don't care what he is.

Comment by Irene Wagner on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:03:39 EST

Clavos: Pablito non es el Neoconservativo!!! If Ron Paul's a neocon, then I'm Cervantes. :)

Comment by Dave Nalle on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:21:02 EST

The neocons make war in order to create peace just as the Nazis and Communists made war in order to create peace. Nothing more peaceful than a mass grave. What led Wilson to invade Mexico was the result of the British intercepting and decrypting a telegram sent by Germany to their ambassador in Mexico City. It promised the Mexicans that Germany would help Mexico recover territory lost to the US after the Mexican-American War if Mexico supported Germany in WWI. Wrongo, Jacob. Wilson's intervention in Mexico was from 1914 to 1916 and had nothing to do with WWI, but was connected to the instability of the Mexican Revolution. The Zimmerman telegram wasn't until 1917. Where do you get what you make up? Do you dream it? From actual history books. You should check one out sometime. Dave

Comment by Clavos on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:11:29 EST

"The neocons converted the GOP -- which has totally lost its way. Vote for Ron Paul -- the nemesis of the neocons." So, Pablito is NOT a Republican, then? Or he is, and therefore, by your definition is a "neocon" (whatever the hell that is). In case you don't see it: "The neocons converted the GOP (aka the Republican Party) Ron Paul is a Republican. Therefore, Ron Paul (aka Pablito to us Mexican immigrants) is a......Neocon!!!! Gasp!!

Comment by Jacob on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:43:22 EST

"You see, the neocons make war in order to create peace in the world. It's a natural outgrowth of Wilsonianism which led Wilson to invade Mexico and threaten other countries to try to force them to stop being mean to their people." -- Dave Nalle The neocons make war in order to create peace just as the Nazis and Communists made war in order to create peace. What led Wilson to invade Mexico was the result of the British intercepting and decrypting a telegram sent by Germany to their ambassador in Mexico City. It promised the Mexicans that Germany would help Mexico recover territory lost to the US after the Mexican-American War if Mexico supported Germany in WWI. Where do you get what you make up? Do you dream it?

Comment by Lumpy on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:38:36 EST

info on the blimp and whether it ever got anywhere important or appeared to any significant number of people is still pretty hard to find. Seems like a sketchy and inefficient form of advertising for a politicak campaign ultimately.

Comment by Dave Nalle on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:24 EST

Jacob, I do agree that the neocons are fruitcakes as you say, but you don't seem to get them much beyond that. You see, the neocons make war in order to create peace in the world. It's a natural outgrowth of Wilsonianism which led Wilson to invade Mexico and threaten other countries to try to force them to stop being mean to their people. As for the neocons joining the GOP, we could say that they invaded the GOP just as the religious right former Dixiecrats did. And sure, they don't believe in basic Republican values, but then I've seen no indication that you do either. I'd like to see them purged from the party. You I'm indifferent on. Dave

Comment by Jacob on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:17:34 EST

"Even the Neocons, as a group, aren't really even conservative as most of us think of the term... and their foreign policy is basically liberal in nature. It descends directly from Woodrow Wilson's foreign policy. Most of the Neocon leaders grew up as democrats and only converted to the GOP during the 1970s or even later." -- Dave Nalle What a crock. The Neocons 'as a group' are fruitcakes. Consider its leaders such as Norman Podhoretz, who prays for the US to attack Iran. What's 'liberal in nature' about that? Woodrow Wilson was a pacifist and non-interventionist who was dragged into WWI after avoiding it for three years. The only commonality between Podhoretz and Wilson is that Wilson failed to get other countries to follow his lead for peace, and Podhoretz and his neocons are failing to get other countries to follow their lead for war. "Most of the Neocon leaders grew up as democrats and only converted to the GOP during the 1970s or even later." The neocons were not "converted to the GOP." The neocons converted the GOP -- which has totally lost its way. *** Vote for Ron Paul -- the nemesis of the neocons.

Comment by Jacob on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:50:47 EST

Why the country needs Ron Paul... Washington Post headlines tonight: "House approves $516 billion measure funding 14 agencies, troops in Afghanistan, but Bush wants Senate to add up to $40 billion more for Iraq war." "Senate Democratic leader delays consideration of bill that would increase oversight of surveillance." "Federal judge rejects government's argument that record of White House visitors be kept secret." Enough said?

Comment by Clavos on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:32:48 EST

"Typical "conservative" bullshit attacking anything "liberal."" THERE'S a coin with two identical (but mirrored) sides...

Comment by Dave Nalle on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:49:02 EST

Liberal and Conservative are not and never have been opposites on the political spectrum. The Republican party started out as a liberal/conservative party, while the democrats were a statist/progressive party. Clearly some blurring of those lines has gone on. Even the Neocons, as a group, aren't really even conservative as most of us think of the term. Many of them are quite liberal on social issues, and their foreign policy is basically liberal in nature. It descends directly from Woodrow Wilson's foreign policy and he was and remains a liberal icon. Most of the Neocon leaders grew up as democrats and only converted to the GOP during the 1970s or even later. Dave Dave

Comment by Baritone on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:40:58 EST

Typical "conservative" bullshit attacking anything "liberal."

Comment by L.Step on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:19:06 EST

I really don't understand what "conservative" means any more when used in reference to FOX news... does being a conservative mean that one supports the neo-conservative view, i.e., support Bush, the War on Terror, the Patriot Act, budget-busting funding for the Iraq war, etc. I used to think that "conservative" meant, well, being fiscally conservative, low-taxation, a respect for the Constitution, etc. Now, being a conservative means quite the opposite. I'm equally lost by the term "liberal" which now suggests a nation run by empty headed idealists without a clue to the consequences of their views. Sort of like the present "conservatives" -- maybe someone should coin new terms.

Comment by Baritone on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:20:35 EST

Any candidate who garners a true and significant following will get air time on all main stream and most not so main stream media. With all the crap about the MSM that comes generally from both left and right extremes, I've yet to witness any significant bias by any of the evening news programs on ABC, CBS or NBC. Only FOX openly and regularly displays its conservative bias. CNN, and MSNBC have commentators from both sides of the coin. The belief that the major portion of the media shows an anti-conservative agenda, especially on the straight news programs, is unfounded. B-tone

Comment by Jacob on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:35:12 EST

"I'm currently watching ABC's "This Week." With 10 minutes left in the program, I've yet to hear mention of Ron Paul and they just moved on to the baseball/drud mess." -- Baritone ABC and others in the "independent media" would look like complete fools if they suddenly changed their negative positions of Ron Paul. BTW, so far Ron Paul's 4th qtr contributions total over $15,800,000.00.

Comment by Dave Nalle on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:22:20 EST

Martin, the page you quote and link to strikes me as a satirical attempt to explain the flood of somewhat braindamaged pro-paul posters. It seems far less likely that it is serious than that it's an attempt to explain away the problem satirically. Dave

Comment by Irene W?)agner on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:16:50 EST

Martin: A bunch of unprincipled illiterates they are, too! "I and my friends" [sic] cooked up a plan to make sure Ron Paul NEVER gets elected." The True Confessions post could of course be pro-Ron Paul counter spammer theory propaganda. One has to anticipate that accusation as well. Message boards can point to the truth, but you never know the motives behind the message. Any message. That's why paying attention to the spammer phenomenon (have we heard the LAST of it, now Dave Nalle?) is a waste of time. $14 million dollars doesn't come from illiterate message board wankers.

Comment by Baritone on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:07:49 EST

Of course, I don't suppose it matters how "literate" Paul's supporters happen to be. If they know how to vote, that's all that's necessary, isn't it? But then, that's true for all. B-tone

Comment by Martin Gradwell on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:57:07 EST

"I suggest reading some of the Paul discussion threads here on BC with a clear eye. The level of rhetorical skills displayed is not high." Maybe. But I've seen threads elsewhere where thousands of Paul supporters have commented (it tends to happen in response to media executives trying to explain why they've pulled an online poll which Paul won, or why they didn't include him in the poll in the first place). These vast avalanches of support tend to get dismissed as "spam", but they contain as many different messages as there are contributors, unlike the boilerplate of genuine spam. And they tend to demonstrate a high degree of literacy. I'd make comparisons with the support received by the other candidates, if I could find any discernable support for the other candidates. Obviously I don't read everything. There may well be some messages of support that are an embarrassment to the Paul camp. But I did find this interesting 'confession' It may possibly be intended as satire, but it has a certain ring of truth about it. Certainly there will be opponents of Dr. Paul who hide their intentions under a mask of support. That's unfortunately how politics works these days: 'We�re making sure Ron Paul will NEVER win by Ron Paul Hater on 2007-08-07 10:06:34 I and my friends cooked up a plan to make sure Ron Paul NEVER gets elected. The plan is simple. We flood message boards, forums and any other online meeting place with mindless, poorly thought out, fanboyish "support" for Ron Paul. We cook up conspiracy theories about why the Mainstream News isn�t covering him and "Challenge" the nest to "acknowledge him" based on things like 6% popularity in Texas or 50% in a single online poll. As a result, people are getting sick of his name. They never want to hear about him again and their brains file "Ron Paul" away beside things like annoying commercials and Spam. Soon, Ron Paul will begin spending his war chest, and when he does, he�ll already be a pariah online. This will spread, as people who HAVEN�T seen him online hear their friends rant about him being the "Spammer Candidate"'

Comment by Baritone on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:51:18 EST

Dave, Check out my last comment on the "Blurry Poverty Line" thread concerning British workhouses. B-tone

Comment by Baritone on Ron Paul Has A Blimp, But Will It Fly?

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:47:21 EST

Neil, "i like how people have to resort to outright slander just to spam Ron Pauls campaign." If he can't stand the heat... Again, Paul's supporters seem to look upon him as the second coming. He's just a guy. He's a politician. His supporters see him as a super hero, a knight in shining honor. It's a recipe for big time disappointment. If Mr. Paul does manage a surge, he had better be ready to watch his back. The other candidate camps and the media will come after him with both barrels just as the others on the Dem side have come after Hillary. And I still see Huckabee as usurping Paul's thunder for a time, at any rate. Right now Huckabee is taking major hits from every direction. I'm currently watching ABC's "This Week." With 10 minutes left in the program, I've yet to hear mention of Ron Paul and they just moved on to the baseball/drud mess. B-tone