Blogcritics Comments on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:09:31 EST

Thanks Mr. B.

Comment by Baronius on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:47:13 EST

Obnox, Jet has made his position perfectly clear. This article IS about Ohio's voting machines. It IS NOT about any party's voting fraud. It IS about Secretary Blackwell, who is a Republican, and promised fraud, and Bush won his state. It IS NOT a place to point fingers.

Comment by The Obnoxious American on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:16:34 EST

Well I think one thing we can agree on is that voter fraud, by ANY party, is something that should be prosecuted to the fullest. Jet, regarding comment #85, I think I've been pretty even handed on my critisism of the left and the right. I've critisized Bush in this very thread. Please stop making things up. And you are doing exactly what disgruntled says you are doing, avoiding the question. I happen to think that you are pretty ignorant, based on your article and the comments here. But I will still give you the respect of acknolwedging the words you type, and not resort to name calling (unarmed man). I was never a big believer in snaps, sure they sound great, but when you use them to defend an indefensible view, it's a sign of weakness of principle. I wish you too, a happy holiday.

Comment by Dr Dreadful on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:59:53 EST

The sad thing is that in an old-established democracy like the USA there shouldn't even be any voter fraud. I've never heard of any stories of fraud in a British election, for instance. I'm sure it happens occasionally, but if it does it's on such a small and insignificant scale it's not even worth the column inches to report it.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:59:30 EST

I'd hardly call CBS News, CNN, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press inuendo, or unreliable sources-however since you continue to amuse me, while ignoring facts in front of your own eyes, I'll go on letting you make a fool of yourself. By the way I love the use of your "royal we", as if you think you have more than a hand full of people that agree with you. snicker snicker

Comment by Disgruntled-American on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:40:49 EST

I suspected as as much. [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:19:19 EST

As I've stated before, I've grown to know what not to waste my time with, and you're it. Have a nice holiday Jet

Comment by Disgruntled-American on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:15:37 EST

Jet, the problem is that everyone sees that you have avoided defending your position and you statements. I did not ask you to match wits, just asnwer the questions. Is it because you are afraid everything I said is true? Remember, my questions are garnered from YOUR statements. So thruthfully if you are to match wits as you say you would be matching wits with youself. (That would explain the unarmed quote you made.) The truth is you have been hung by your own words. You cannot defend them. You truly remind me of a guy from my school days, you know the guy in class that slings insults and tries to be funny, endeavoring to hide his own ignorance. You make insults and dodge questions. Dave Nalle, points out an actual conviction, you point out an allegation. Somehow that is comparable to you. This difference is an allegation requires NO evidence, a conviction requires evidence.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:44:47 EST

Indeed Dave, Indeed...

Comment by Dave Nalle on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:54:37 EST

Intereting story, Jet. It's eerily reminiscent of the ACORN (I know you don't want to hear about them) worker in Misouri who was sent to jail for separating out 300 republican registrations from the ones he had collected and never submitting them. They were found in the trunk of his car. Seems like the whole professional voter registration worker industry needs to be looked at. Dave

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:04:28 EST

Klas TV News Las Vegas... George Knapp, Investigative Reporter Investigation into Trashed Voter Registrations Clark County Election Dept. - look up your registration (Oct. 13) -- Federal, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News. An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters. The allegations have set off a political firestorm stretching from Las Vegas to Washington D.C., and beyond. As with everything else in this election year, it's now become a political football being tossed between the two parties, with charges and countercharges, but at its core, there still remains the matter of registration forms that were ripped up and tossed in the trash.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:59:34 EST

(CBS) By CBSNews.com Chief Political Writer David Paul Kuhn Officials in Oregon have launched a criminal investigation after receiving numerous complaints that a Republican-affiliated group was destroying registration forms filed by Democratic voters statewide, Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury told CBSNews.com. Meanwhile, CBS affiliate KLAS-TV is reporting accusations of similar malfeasance in Nevada. Both state's allegations are linked to a Phoenix political consulting firm called Sproul & Associates run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Republican Party. Sproul & Associates has received nearly $500,000 from the Republican National Committee this election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Calls from CBSNews.com to Sproul were not returned.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:38:13 EST

Now THAT was a snappy retort!

Comment by Clavos on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:18:53 EST

SNAP!

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:18:22 EST

To quote someone I admire... I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. You're only up to page 42 in the Official republican quotes and smartass comebacks book. I'm very disappointed in you.

Comment by Disgruntled-American on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:06:02 EST

Jet, also let me comment on your post #84. You are saying that the Democrats could stop the war by cutting funding. But Bush would say they are cutting funding to our troops, as he is doing right now. (I hope I have not mischaraterized your statement.) I ask you then; Why do the Democrats want to stop the war? Is it because they think that it is wrong? Is it because too many Americans have died already? I ask you these questions because it would seem to me that if these are indeed two of the main reasons they feel it needs to be stopped. Then you are also saying that stopping the war would save more American lives are you not? If tis is true, then one can only logically deduce; That any attempt on cutting funding for the war would ultimately be an attempt to save American lives. If the Democrats will not cut funding for the war because Bush would veto it and paint them in a bad light. As you say he is doing now. Then one can further logically deduce the democrats will not try to attempt to save American, lives because doing so may make them look bad, and might cost them their seats in the next election. Therefore, it is safe to say, is it not? The Democrat view is better to save you seat in congress than try to save an American life.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:03:21 EST

Thank you Mr. Spock. As I've said, I've learned what, and what not to waste my time on. All the above are undeniable facts. 1. The voting machines have shown to have had exploitable flaws during the 2004 election process. 2. Evidence of those flaws only saw the light of day a few days ago. 3. Mr. Blackwell owned stock in the very company that made those voting machines. The Diebold chairman blatantly promised a ballroom full of cheering people that he intended ot guarantee Bush Ohio's electoral votes. A party that Ken Blackwell was in attendance of and was co-chairman of. 4. Mr. Blackwell owned that stock during the period in which he served as Secretary of State of Ohio. 4. In his capacity as SOS he awarded contracts to purchase those machines by, and for the use of his state of Ohio. 5. Just days before Blackwell announced his run for Governor, he was forced to reveal he'd owned that stock and had sold it only days before. 6. Blackwell was co-chair of the ReElect Bush campaign in Ohio. 7. As secretary of state it was his job to gather and announce Ohio's election results and to assign its electoral votes. It's obvious that your mind can't digest thos facts. This article was not about ACORN I don't care about ACORN I've never professed to know anything about ACORN I'm sure I could name a few radical right wing organizations that you're not affiliated with, but you don't see me trying to imply that now do you?

Comment by Disgruntled-American on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:43:28 EST

Jet, I am glad you have truly shown your intelligence on this issue. I am sure the DNC needs a strategist like yourself, perhaps you can get them to throw the 2008 elections and foil the evil GOP strategy. You said I was narrow minded. How did I demonstrate that, What did I say to make myself appear self righteous. You have accused me of two things that any intelligent person could not have possibly come to as a reasonable conclusion with the two post I have made. But then you have concluded that parties throw elections, nevermind I understand. You have also said it is NOT up to me to deem whether you are credible or not. I beg to differ, if you post something on an open forum, who else is better to determine whether you are credible or not other than the reader. Perhaps, you think someone who didn't read you post would be a better judge as to whether you are credible. You also accused me of singing from the GOP songbook. How?, by saying the republicans didn't throw the election. That's it. How many republicans have set that up in their talking points, or platform? If you can find a few and can produce evidence of your claim, let me know and I promise not to sing from that songbook again. It has been my experiance that when someone does not have eveidence to back up what they claim, they immediately go on the offensive and resort name calling. Logical people do not rant and make ridiculous claims. They merely lay out verifiable facts for everyone to see. When you provide undisputable facts there is no reason to rant, no reason to grasp at straws to make your point.

Comment by Dave Nalle on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:31:28 EST

Dave and Dan and others slam ACORN every chance they get. It's somewhat reminiscent of John Bambenek's continual slander about the ACLU. In the context of everything Acorn does and has done, the overreaching of some individual operatives are minor matters. How many results were changed by any of the incidents Dave cites? A lot of folks went to jail. That means something. ACORN registers tens of thousands of voters every year, and every year there are multiple instances of fraud and ACORN employees indicted and convicted. At some point when the same thing happens again and again and again you have to conclude that it's a result of organizational policy, not just isolated incidents of overzealous field workers. In instances where voter registrations from ACORN have been independently verified it's typical for more than HALF of those registered to be fraudulent. And it happens again and again. How many times have ACORN or other associated groups done this and gotten away with it? Scores and scores for each time they've been caught, certainly. Dave

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:15:18 EST

You SAY all Democrats are evil cheaters and whining wimps, and all Republicans are angelic underdogs being picked on and slandered? BULLSHIT Excuse me ...GOP bullshit

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:12:10 EST

Second, you didn't address the question regarding why the Dems, who control both houses, wouldn't pass a bill tommorrow cutting funding for the war. They could end the war tommorrow. Bush would veto it and scream that the democrats aren't supporting our troops PERIOD He's doing right now as we speak

Comment by The Obnoxious American on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:17:31 EST

Handyguy, They have never tried to pass a bill to cut funding. This is a fact. They have tried to pass war budgets, with clauses in them that would limit the Military's choices in action. These attempts were absurd and anyone who is familiar with the sitaution can tell you politcal. Congress' role here is clear, it's not to define readiness standards or set withdrawl timetables. It's to approve or not, funding for the military. The fact is the Dems have never tried to pass such a bill for the reasons I stated earlier. Every bill they've passed which was rightfully vetoed, stepped over the bounds of congressional oversight, but trying to define the terms under which the military can prosecute this war. As far as my making up the point about the GOP response to loss, ok if you say so. A kind of funny point for you to make considering the article we are posting in. I dare you to show me one widespread claim by the GOP of malfeasance by the Dems as a whole that caused them to win the 2006 elections. You won't be able to because there wasn't one. But the dems on the other hand...

Comment by The Obnoxious American on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:11:41 EST

Loll, don't blame me if you have trouble reading concepts. Maybe school vouchers would have helped... I just wanted to point out here, every post of mine actually talks about the topic, but many of the posts by Jet or you are about the person posting. To wit: "I think you're a narrow minded self-righteous fool who can only mindlessly quote from the GOP songbook, " "Just because you stick your self-righteous nose up in the air and spew your pompus pronouncements don't make them true." Evidence of a lack of real platform? I think so. You call me narrow minded and stubborn, based on what exactly? That I don't agree with these rantings that the GOP fixed the 2006 election, SO THEY COULD LOSE? Jet literally said that! Jet is basically blaming the GOP for every bad decision, as if the Dem party's excrement does not stink. What happened to Pelosi's first 100 hours? What about the Dem adgenda to work more than the previous congress? What about Paygo? All concepts the Dems were riding high on last November, all platforms they quickly abandoned and not at all because of Bush or the GOP. Because it was either too hard, or too politically unwise for the Dems to undertake. This is the type of leadership you'd elect in 2008? At least I can admit that Bush is lacking in many areas, he's certainly not my favorite president by any stretch. That's a whole lot more than you or Jet have done with your Can-Do-No-Wrong Democratic Congressional and Senatorial members.

Comment by handyguy on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:05:45 EST

The Democrats could not end the war tomorrow. What a ridiculous thing to write! Where do you come up with this? The House has indeed passed [multiple] bills without Iraq funding. They died in the Senate. A narrow margin there does tie their hands. What is your point anyway? And this: ...the question I raised about why Dems always scream that the game is rigged when they lose, while the GOP actually looks at their policies when they lose. ...is just ridiculous. You just made it up! Not based on factual information of any kind!

Comment by handyguy on Two Years Later, Ohio Finally Admits To Security Problems with Voting Machines

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:00:36 EST

Obnoxious, you named yourself well. You pretend to be reasonable, but you actually never look at both sides of any issue. You are as narrow-minded and stubborn [the English call it "bloody-minded"] as they come. Your postings are filled to the brim with glib non-reasoning and false generalizations. And they are always so long!