"is that atheism requires faith, too. Richard Dawkins notwithstanding, it's impossible to prove the nonexistence of a deity. An agnostic might say it's unknowable, but that wouldn't satisfy the man who must know. Yet rejecting the answers provided by religion means having faith that what we don't know is explainable in terms other than the supernatural."

LOL thats like saying, "Prove that there are no purple and green spotted flying horses roaming the Appalachian mountains." You can't disprove the existence of anything. But you can prove the existence of something. So you see its not a question of having faith that there is no God. The simple fact that there is no proof of a god makes the assumption that there is no god quite sound. I don't have faith that there aren't purple and green spotted flying horses. I know that there isn't such a creature living based on the fact that there are volumes of scientific observation and documentation of the wildlife in the Appalachian mountains and those sort of flying horses have never been observed. Denying the existence of purely imaginative assumptions based on zero evidence isn't taking a leap of faith, its using common sense and logical thinking.

You're preaching to the converted here, and I'd say you're arguing semantics. The fact remains, as we both are saying, you can't disprove the nonexistence of something. When we get into quantum physics, it starts to sound like scientists are inventing purely imaginative assumptions. Call it what you will, but believing that logic can explain everything when we are not actually able to put that into practice with what we know today is something other than entirely empirical.

It's far more rational than the alternative, but I'm calling it faith in science. Call it whatever you want, but neither side, religious or atheist, can claim the ability to test their hypothesis.

And to get back to House, which is what this is all about, he's an atheist who did try to test it - what does that say about common sense and logical thinking?

Very nicely done! Religion is a wonderful topic for the writers of House to tackle because the character is so tortured. Houses' views remind me of two quotes that I once heard. One was from an islamic leader of all people who said "the human race is the only one that goes to war to prove that their imaginary friend is better than their neighbor's." The next is simply that dogs are the only living creatures that know beyond a shadow of a doubt who their God is; human's. Both sound like something that House would say.

I love those quotes, Terri!

House isn't your typical atheist. The character is more of a nihilist. There is a huge difference. House is a breed of non-theist that the religious oh so love to use to attack atheism. You know the cynical doom and gloom outlook on life. As far as his behavior in the show as pertaining to momentarily killing himself, I don't think that its a very realistic assessment of any sane or rational person testing any hypothesis. It seemed more an act of desperation from a pill junky. Possibly seeking a reprieve from his addiction, pain, and nihilist outlook on life. The reprieve being one of two possible options death or a spiritual experience that will prove his pessimism wrong. Not to mention his attention seeking behavior. He's screaming for attention and confrontation anything to help him feel human. It seems that the character identifies humanity with the negative aspects of life, maybe something to do with his father the colonial.

Nonetheless, the show clearly presented it as testing a theory. The point is that House is not actually an atheist, despite identifying himself as one, so we agree on that. I think he'd argue against nihilism though, since he believes in objective right and wrong - though his version of that absolute truth often goes against the accepted version.

Thanks for writing on this topic, Diane. Very well-thought out take on one of the central themes of House, as brilliantly shown in the episodes you mention, especially Damned If You Do and House vs. God, two of the strongest entries in the series.

It's ironic that the most un-PC, aggressively rude character on TV is also the one that shines an unbiased light on the topics of ethics, morality, hypocrisy and religion. They are topics House thinks about and tests, as in 97 seconds, and really, all the time. His personal ethos seems to be something he relies upon only as much as it can withstand his ruthless testing of its tenets.

Churches are traditionally said to provide sanctuary, which House seems to need, but they also create divisiveness and isolation, both of which he has in spades. Your comment, "House is a troubling character to revere." is exactly right. You feel you understand him, but he's always a step or two ahead and then when you see how he got there, it seems to have been either inevitable or, well, inexplicable.

Thanks BoffleB., enjoyed your thoughts too. I've always loved the way the show dips into ethical areas, and how the character constantly surprises me and yet always seems true to a vision.

Dearie me, I've missed you. Not to disparage the other newly appointed House critics on this site, they just aren't my cup of tea. You're not a House apologist; forgiving everything like a schoolgirl with a crush; there was always a scope & depth in your writing that explored his compelling relationships with Wilson, Cuddy, his fellows and patients his flaws and as shown here the interlinking clues from past episodes regarding his belief or disbelief. I'll stop gushing, but hope that you continue writing about House however often that you can.

Aww, thanks C. I'm still around, just slacking ;)

Brilliant, brilliant stuff, Diane. You've made my evening!

Diane, it's not necessary to prove or disprove the non-existence of something, that's simply a logical fallacy put about by faithists.

The burden of proof lies with those making the positive case, end of story.

Thanks Phillip! That's sweet.

Christopher, I might be missing your joke, because I know you know I'm talking about the events of a TV show, but the point is that *House* thinks it's necessary to prove everything, which is why he can't ever be a true atheist. I'm not trying to make a case that atheists must prove their beliefs - Richard Dawkins has tried and in so doing, makes me wish I wasn't on his side.

Dawkins is just as big a jerk as House! Fictional or not, what is it with these people? ;-)

Si Richard Dawkins n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer.

Though if we invented him, House wouldn't believe in him, either ;)

(And yeah, exactly, Christopher!)

Sometimes, I wonder, if 1,000 years from now people will look at our wrangling about the existence of God and smile condescendingly at our world view that fragments, classifies, and struggles with literal empiricism. I imagine they will still be wrangling--just with a different world view. I look at the Elizabethan notion of the Chain of Being that way--it's quaint. But without that orderly concept what foundation would Darwin have had to build on? Standing in Westminster Abby one morning,just after taking communion, I looked back in the beautiful morning sun and saw the tombs of both Darwin and Newton. All the Saints, you know. It made me smile.

Yes, I agree with the nun. House believes in God; he's just angry with her.

I love this quote from Shaw's Saint Joan:
JOAN. I hear voices telling me what to do. They come from God.
ROBERT. They come from your imagination.
JOAN. Of course. That is how the messages of God come to us.

"Nonetheless, the show clearly presented it as testing a theory. The point is that House is not actually an atheist, despite identifying himself as one, so we agree on that."
This assumes that an atheist apriori rejects the testing of theories that may prove the existence of a god. This is not so in House's case because he is a firm believer in rational knowledge. It would rather be the agnostic for whom a test would be meaningless since the fact cannot be knowable. And of course the testing of a theory is the scientific method of gaining knowledge, even if the presented claims of facts are considered dubious. I don't see how he displays self-doubt in his atheism if he sets out to test a hypothesis - it's the rational scientist's only way to explore the world, otherwise he would make claims on a basis of a method similar to religious faith - call it unscientific arrogance. Scientific knowledge is provable, testable and hence refutable if proven wrong. One also doesn't need to believe in a theory in order to test it (even if to disprove it). It's called objectivity as opposed to faith. As to House following his hunches as a "faith", the comparison is not accurate since he trusts himself because he trusts his knowledge rather than his vanity. As for the nun's remark, it is of course her interpretation of what his exasperation means, and she is biased towards faith in god. What she interprets one way may also be interpreted in another, i.e. as anger with human folly.

I still don't see a strong case being made that House is an agnostic or a doubter rather than an atheist, but the show is indeed to be commended for exploring aspects of the religious debate and making a strong showcase of how a rational scientific mind would approach the subject of god's existence.