Blogcritics Comments on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Comment by RJ on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:39:37 EST

"I no longer expect you to be reasonable." Interesting non-response, handyguy... I guess by "reasonable" you mean just agreeing with whatever it is you say?

Comment by RJ on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:35:57 EST

I thought you were "now done with this subject" El Bicho? ;-)

Comment by El Bicho on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:27:24 EST

"Care to provide a cite?" This coming from the guy who has yet to prove his assertion that Maher was against Afghanistan. Thanks for the laugh.

Comment by handyguy on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:18:03 EST

I no longer expect you to be reasonable. No problem.

Comment by RJ on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:51:44 EST

By the way, did you coin the phrase "noise machine" handyguy? Or did you perhaps learn it from your pals at Media Matters? Hopefully now you see the absurdity of your argument...

Comment by RJ on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:12:35 EST

When it's just "Rush said this, so I'll repeat it, yeah!" When have I ever done that? Care to provide a cite? If you're saying you'll give full attribution from now on when parroting Limbaugh, I look forward to seeing it. I "parrot" no one. Please re-read comment #69, this time more s-l-o-w-l-y.

Comment by handyguy on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:13:48 EST

Just saw that RJ and I have the two top spots in "most read articles" today - and last night also, with the positions reversed. [Both are non-political articles.] And I don't mean to prolong a nasty back-and-forth. But I did feel the need, in the posts above, to point out something I'd noticed.

Comment by handyguy on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:53:33 EST

Plagiarism is not the issue, exactly. Our opinions have more validity when they are really our own, based on examination and reasoning. When it's just "Rush said this, so I'll repeat it, yeah!" [or if I used David Brock's opinions as my own], the result is far less meaningful. And when it's a sophomoric insult being repeated, it's far worse. [i.e. "leftist tripe," "nutroots." Are you actually proud of yourself when you write that kind of worthless, mean-spirited foolishness? Grow up. If you're saying you'll give full attribution from now on when parroting Limbaugh, I look forward to seeing it. If you catch me repeating others' words without attribution, feel free to point it out. Good luck with that.

Comment by RJ on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:56:26 EST

"But isn't each of us better off expressing his own opinion in his own words?" I certainly do that, unless I'm citing something. I suspect the same goes for you. "Maybe I'm just imagining things, but some of the opinions expressed by RJ [and by some others who appear here less frequently], and even the exact wording of them, for example concerning David Brock and Media Matters, seem to come directly from other sources, perhaps Limbaugh, perhaps other noise machine web sites." Well, some of what you [and some others who appear here] have to say sounds like the sort of leftist tripe that could be found on any number of nutroots blogs. That doesn't mean you're engaging in plagiarism; it just means you have similar opinions and use similar arguments. In other words, it works both ways. And it shouldn't be surprising that conservatives as a group generally have the same or similar opinions on most issues, and that "progressives" as a group generally have the same or similar opinions on most issues.

Comment by frank carter on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:45:58 EST

Bill Mayer tries to be objective on his remarks, but he is always bouncing around in what he believes in. He is say there is no God, but he will say be believes in a higher power of some sort....What really gets to me, why guys like him think they have a real message to the public. While all the time he classified as a comedian a clown who wants to be taking seriously !

Comment by REMF on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:56:51 EST

handy; No, you're not imagining things.

Comment by handyguy on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:16:25 EST

OK, "brainwashed" is perhaps a low blow. But isn't each of us better off expressing his own opinion in his own words? Maybe I'm just imagining things, but some of the opinions expressed by RJ [and by some others who appear here less frequently], and even the exact wording of them, for example concerning David Brock and Media Matters, seem to come directly from other sources, perhaps Limbaugh, perhaps other noise machine web sites. Repeating other folks' words and opinions, especially when they take the form of ugly insults to third parties, is not exactly the highest form of expression, eh? Let's all think for ourselves.

Comment by REMF on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:37:44 EST

^ So now you're pretending not to be a Dittohead...?

Comment by RJ on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:46:52 EST

Brainwashed by [...] O'Reilly, I guess. Comment #8: "Bill O'Reilly is a conservative/populist who pretends to be objective and moderate." My frequent disagreeing with you does not equal brainwashing. K? Thx.

Comment by handyguy on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:50:24 EDT

Maher's comments re 9/11 may have been ill-considered, but he certainly didn't intend them as praise for the terrorists. He said it took more bravery to participate in a suicide mission than to drop remote-control bombs. This is not literally untrue. And bravery is not always put to good purpose. In the recent PBS series on WWII, The War, several American veterans recall what amazingly good soldiers the Nazis were in combat. This doesn't mean they sympathized with the enemy cause. And Bill O'Reilly is just a bloviating bully. He has people he disagrees with on the show primarily to attempt to belittle and humiliate them, charmingly cutting off the mikes of those who unexpectedly get the better of him. He does allow Barney Frank and Charlie Rangel to come on and argue, possibly because, since they are far smarter than he is, their rhetorical abilities raise the entertainment level. RJ is the most literal-minded and least reasonable poster on here sometimes, although he is apparently smart enough not to be. Brainwashed by Rush and O'Reilly, I guess.

Comment by REMF on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:48:09 EDT

Bring the fat man to mind, does it?

Comment by troll on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:24:26 EDT

'mother fucker' - I wish that you'd stop using the term 'dittos'...it's creepy

Comment by REMF on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:21:10 EDT

^ Dittos, B-tone.

Comment by Baritone on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:41:24 EDT

Bush and Congress sending troops into Iraq wasn't so much cowardly - although you didn't see W or any other DC wonks slogging through the sand in full battle gear - as it was simply stupid. Virtually everything the Bush administration has done has played right into the hands of Bin Laden and Al Qaida. There are more devoted Islamic terrorists now than ever. There are far more people throughout the world who truly hate us than ever before (except maybe during WWII when we weren't real popular in Germany or Japan.) Even during the cold war the concensus was that while the Soviets feared our military capability, just as we feared theirs, generally, they didn't hate us. Now we are reviled by many who at one time, particularly in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, were in our camp. Good job W! B=tone

Comment by El Bicho on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 3 Nov 2007 04:21:25 EDT

Spare the double talk and subject changes. I don't feel the need to defend Maher. I feel the need to dispute your incorrect statements but don't worry, I am now done with this subject. We'll just pretend it's just a coincidence that you want to move on while you have yet to to back your claims that Maher was against Afghanistan among your other errors.

Comment by REMF on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:16:32 EDT

"And in the aftermath of 9/11, Bush and the Congress sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers and Marines into ground combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, which certainly isn't evidence of American "cowardice" ..." But what about the hundreds of thousands of military age who chose to avoid going. Would that be evidence of cowardice...?

Comment by RJ on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:49:38 EDT

"If you are wasting time being offended by Kramer, then yeah, that's stupid." So, nothing can be offensive, as long as the person saying it claims they meant it in jest? "Why would you ever care enough about what anyone else says? Life is too short." Then why do you keep responding to my replies? :-/ "btw, if the comments were so offensive, it's rather callous of you to bring them up and re-offend people with them." That's an interesting point-of-view... How's about this: You like Bill Maher and feel the need to defend him. I don't like Bill Maher and feel the need to point out his flaws and past controversies. He's clearly moved on. Perhaps we should as well? :-/

Comment by El Bicho on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Fri, 2 Nov 2007 04:22:17 EDT

If you are wasting time being offended by Kramer, then yeah, that's stupid. Why would you ever care enough about what anyone else says? Life is too short. If you look for it, people say stupid stuff all the time. In fact, it's their right, but if you want your delicate sensibilities to be offended, don't let me stop you from crying a river. I have better things to do then sit around throwing pity parties because someone said something I didn't like, but then I don't have a bloated sense of self worth. "the major national controversy (that you don't think was a controversy)" Right. Of course that doesn't explain why in my first post on this thread I wrote "Maher was dumped because his ratings couldn't handle the controversy" or why I responded to your question "why was there a controversy?" I did say it wasn't as big a controversy as Imus, so either you have poor reading comprehension and critical thinking skills or you are stalling for time because you are unable to back your claims that Maher was against Afghanistan? Of course, you could always step up and admit you were wrong. btw, if the comments were so offensive, it's rather callous of you to bring them up and re-offend people with them.

Comment by RJ on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:19:27 EDT

You know Bill Maher's a comic, right? If you allow yourself to get offended by anything he says, then yes, you are stupid. So, the people who got offended at comedian Michael Richards' attempt at humor at the Laugh Factory were also "stupid" in your estimation? Not according to him. From "The O'Reilly Factor" on September 20: MAHER: What I was talking about was the policy making body of this country, which has not responded and had not responded before this, to terrorism the way they should. Well, yes, three days after the fact, he was desperately trying to "clarify" his statement. You know, because of the major national controversy (that you don't think was a controversy) that ensued after he made those offensive comments (which you don't think were offensive).

Comment by Baritone on Bill O'Reilly Versus Bill Maher

Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:38:16 EDT

Clav, Obviously, so do I. Not only bizarre, but dangerous. Rational thinking has little leverage against true believers and their star struck notion of eternal paradise. Just a thought about those 72 virgins that are supposedly part of the martyr's booty (ha, ha.) After all, given we are talking eternity, are 72 really enough? How do you space them out? Also, once defiled, what happens to the sullied Vee girls? Do they get re-virginized? Or do the dead martyrs get together to stone them just for kicks? How about the virgin procurement section in paradise? They must be working overtime, dontcha think? Maintaining the inventory must be a bitch. Old Allah's gotta keep cranking them out. Seventy-two virgins for every one martyr. Also, what do female bombers get? Seventy-two cherry swingin dicks? Questions, questions. B-tone