This is great stuff. I'm going to be thinking about lyric semantics all day now.

Here's one, The Beatles in "Helter Skelter":

"I'm coming down fast/But I'm miles above you"

Yes, I love the article too. Excellent stuff!

Thanks for the morning laugh! You and I aren't bothered by the same things, though. You seem to be bothered more by stupid images. I'm bothered by bad grammar from writers who definitely know better. Most of the lyrics you quote, especially Oasis, don't bother me because to me they sound so obviously surrealistic (and/or drug-induced, as you mention!) Surrealism can be safely ignored as far as sense goes. (Ever listen to Yes lyrics...?)

What bothers me are these kinds of things - the patently ungrammatical in a lyric that's about something sensible and real:
Sting: "If you love somebody set them free."
And from the new Springsteen: "What others may want for free / I'll work for your love."

Great article!

I loathe Oasis who manage to be trite both lyrically and musically.

Lyrics aren't poetry, an art form where, generally speaking, the words are meant to stand on their own. Lyrics are designed to fit with music, so they have to make accomodation; in the same way, sometimes the music must change to accomodate the lyrics. And I would agree that you oughtta try to get the grammar and details right, except where it sounds better by being wrong.

As for scattershot, unrelated images - well, there lies the mystery of the artist, the art form, and the perception of the audience. I truly believe that when a song is finally performed in public, either live or via sound recording, the listeners' interpretation of the song is no more or less valid than the artist who wrote it. I'm sure that there have been many instances where a listener got more out of a song than the artist thought he or she put into it. Such is the way of a literate world.

Oasis trite? No worse than compared to most of what's out there. The late great scifi writer Theodore Sturgeon was once baited by an interviewer along the lines of, "C'mon Ted, admit it - 90% of all science fiction is crap." To which Sturgeon replied, "90% of EVERYTHING is crap."

Wrong! Oasis ARE trite and Sturgeon a cynic.

this is why i like somebody like Bjork, who almost never deals with rhyme schemes...he lyrics mesh with the way i listen: in very small chunks.

heck, for most music, i don't even hear the lyrics until i've internalized the music. that doesn't happen until ten listens or so.

Sometimes lyrics are meant to set a mood in your head or give you a feeling by laying out several images that should make you feel a certain way. They don't necessarily have to belong together or be feasible in real life. And Orange Crush refers to Agent Orange, which was used by U.S. forces during the Vietnam War.

OR maybe you can still be "symbolic" with your words and still point to a clear idea or definition of what it is your trying to communicate. I most certainly wouldn't pick Oasis as a band that has had any kind of brilliant song writing to start this debate but that's my opinion.

"It's rock and roll, not poetry."

I think that this mindframe is the reason why so much of today's rock music sux soo much @$$.

Well, Christopher, I'm conceding you a bit of a point here - you can believe Oasis are trite, but I'd suggest they're no more or less trite than most. And there are certainly better writers of r'n'r songs, but for me, Oasis has their moments scattered here and there.

Sturgeon a cynic? - that point is likely accurate from what I can read of his personality through his written work. But he was a darn fine writer, too.

From Radiohead:

"Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon.
Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon.
Yesterday I woke up sucking....a...lemmmmon.
Everything...in it's right place."

I mean how profound do you want it?

-Glen

Skeeter, Sturgeon was indeed a fine writer and I'll concede Oasis have had a moment, possibly even two. Liam's got a fine snarly voice but his brother is just such a hack.

As to Radiohead, they are one of those bands that can be sublime one moment and the next, as above, sublemon!

...the way I listen: in very small chunks. What is trite for some, may be chunky for others. Whadda ya want??? Good taste or taste good?? I think....therefore I am....I think. There you go lad, be as cool as you can..... AAHH Lyrics.

... due to the fine sense of gentlemanly conduct and good manners of the sinister cabal of superior writers at bc, tonight's impending Battle Royale has been cancelled.

Unless, of course, someone wants to try to explain Radiohead to me. ;)

You've hit pet peeves of mine. Sure, you can say "It's only rock'n'roll". But I still don't see that as an excuse for bad writing. Popcorn music is fine if it's sweet, easy to sing and easy to remember. And believe it or not, there's a certain craft to that. The examples you give are just IMHO sloppy writing.

Like your article but just so you know, the lyric you quoted for Bono of U2 is wrong. The line is actually "I and I in the sky" which is a biblical reference for God. So unfortunately the lyric makes sense as he is talking about God lifting you up from the muck that we are usually swimming in. Not saying that Bono's perfect but look for a better example to use.

Lol.. This is great stuff..

But as you said, it's only rock and roll..

Mr Noel's lyrics can be hugely cringeworthy (although I quite like the stream of consciousness madness of Supersonic), and I think he's on record admitting that a lot of it is just nonense - the sink is full of fishes, she's got dirty dishes on the brain... Hey? Some people just aren't arsed about the words, but the older I get the more they mean to me.
THE BEST lyricist there is (I'm going to be dogmatic about this and shall not be shifted) is Billy Bragg, who, even if you don't like his politics is just clever as flip.

Father mows the lawn and Mother peels the potatoes
Grandma lays the table alone
And adjusts a photograph of the unknown soldier
In this Holy of Holies, the Home
And from the TV an unwatched voice
Suggests the answer is to plant more trees
The scrawl on the wall says what about the workers
And the voice of the people says more salt please

I think Bobby Goldsboro is a very good songwriter.