Good lord, who cares how they wear their pants? If they wear them that way they mark themselves as morons, and what more punishment should they need?

Dave

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Just shows that folks in the US are way beyond fiddling while Rome burns--spending their time writing laws like this instead of putting their government in front of a firing squad--the one instance where I would say that guns are okay is if Dick Cheney is smoking his last cigarette in front of a g roup of crack shots.

Can we get an amendment to ban Zubaz altogether?

I always wear baggy shorts to hide my depends. This keeps me from taking a shit in my cowboy boots.

Hey Moonraven, Perhaps you shoud worry about whatever ass backwards country your from instead of trashing the most successful the world has ever known. Im sure you dont consider it jealousy, but we Americans sure do.

Actually, third eye you may be on to something. Is there a Mexican version of BC? We could all go on it and bash Mexico to smithereens as she does America. See how she feels after that.

Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode when Jerry went to heckle Kramer's girlfriend (my pinky toe!)at work after she heckled him during his routine.

Anyone caught wearing saggy pants should be drafted into the US marines, given a few weeks basic training to make them neat, tidy and psychotic and then shipped off to Iraq to kill ordinary people of all shapes, sizes and ages.

People caught wearing Jesus clothes - robes and sandals- should be stoned by a mob of born again retards and then nailed to crosses on the White House lawn.

"Sagging pants style is worn by young black males, although a few white males wear sagging pants."

What research is this based on? None. Absolutely none. URBAN males in certain age groups are wearing the sagging pants. I'm tired of everyone playing the race card. I'll agree that it began with Black males, young and/or ignorant (not stupid, there is a difference - get a dictionary) Black males, but it is now a part of the urban youth culture. Hip Hop culture isn't identical to Black culture. I believe it is more closely aligned with urban culture. I don't like the sagging pants, but think about it. The "moral majority" also didn't like rock music, women in pants, mini skirts, low riders, etc.

I'm tired of our country being run as a religious state and I'm a Christian. I don't want men judging me. That is God's job.

Actually, I think the saggy pants thing may have run its course in NYC--just my observation.

#7 As a born again retard with a baggy(ish) pants born again retarded son in the Marines I find your post comical!

"Why is da white man always trying to keep da brutha down".....Pleeeeaasssee....who gives a shit about a bunch of morons who want to dress up as their male role models ---- prisoners.

The black community better wake up.

JOM

Constance is right: I see as many (or more) saggy pants on young white guys as young black guys. It eventually clears up for the most part, when they get older & realize that the GIRLS don't LIKE saggy pants styles, but prefer their men to look neat, spiffy, stylish - along GQ lines. I would question what kind of parents, white or black, allow their kids to go out of the house looking like that, or to buy them in the first place? If I had a kid, that kid would be wearing what I say s/he wears until s/he's old enough to support themselves. At least that's the way it worked with me & my parents.

"I would question what kind of parents, white or black, allow their kids to go out of the house looking like that"

Nancy...thats the answer...the parents are not involved and they dont care!

JOM

Sagging pants are just a macho version of low-rise jeans. It seems that everyone, including hip-hoppers, want to hop onto the "show yer ass" parade. Well, to be fair, with the saggy pants crowd, it's more a case of "show yer boxers," but the point is the same: it's showing something to the public that they should not expect to see. The reason many blacks themselves signed up to the anti-saggy pants platform was because they know that to get respect, you actually have to earn it -- and that's as true for everyone else as it is for blacks. I'm not going to hire some white kid with piercings galore and a spiky mohawk any more than I'm going to hire a black kid who thinks that, by the very virtue of his saggy, baggy pants, I'm supposed to endow him with unbridled respec'.

No, dawg, I don't play dat game. Yo.

Furthermore, if this was a fad, as you allege, it would have ended five years ago. It hasn't. It's stronger than ever.

Not that I really care. If someone dresses like a moron, I'm taking the liberty of treating them like one. Case closed.

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Third rock from the Sun:

I am a US citizen. Ergo, I will say whatever the fuck I want about the US--and in whatever venue I choose to do so.

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The writer says sagging pants started in prison...I'd almost bet that any kid that had to wear hand-me-downs will tell you that sagging pants DID NOT start in prison...it started in poor families...that's where it started...buncha bullshit is what it is...the biggest farce in this piece is calling this any kind of "Style"!!!

Andy, I had no idea you were so fashion concious!

I believe the writer meant the style of saggy pants started in US prisons. However, I had been led to understand the source of the inmate style was that the diet is strict there and this caused people to lose weight and thus their pants sag, rather than issuing all inmates with over-sized clothes to prevent suicides.

Of course, I hate the USA, so what would I know? ;-)

Actually, the style did start in prisons, and it had more to do with a dominance/submission pecking order. Need I go on? How going from that translated into a gangsta style is anybody's guess.

Any "gangsta" trend lasts about three years among urban blacks, whites, and hispanics. Then it runs for three more years in suburban white high schools. (Suburban black kids just look on in embarassment.) Unless the droopy look has come back, it should have played itself out 3-4 years ago.

Christopher Rose: "Of course, I hate the USA"

Evidently.

M.E.M. I know at least one of us was being funny...

Ray, it had NOTHING to do with the "pecking order" that you fantasize so much about. Christopher Rose's post is correct. I did a paper on this when I was in College.

I still say it comes from little brothers having to wear hand me downs...you gangstas can try to pretend that you invented it, but it was the kid down the road that lived on the dirt road and had an outhouse in his backyard, who's parents couldn't afford to buy him knew or used clothes and had to wear his big brothers old clothes, not some braindead assholes in prison.

And CR...I know it's really envy...but we love you anyway.

You might want to start choosing your words more carefully, Daryl. I wasn't "fantasizing" about anything. I was merely stating a known fact culled from interviewing saggers. By the way, "college" is not a proper noun.

From what I gather from "the kids", excessive sagging is out. Hip Hop dress is now an over sized preppy look. Kids are wearing huge polos, and over sized plaid shorts.

What I heard was that extreme sagging in prison had more to do with advertising ones availability for sex... Could be an urban myth.

I do think that hip hop attire did cause young black males to be labeled as hoodlums. Now that the look has spread to all races, the look is accepted as another eye rolling youth engagement. I think that the desire to over correct by Black adults comes from understanding the visceral reaction to Black maleness in society in general and knowing the economic impact of that reaction. That attire, which was intended to convey coolness, only heightened the distrust and fear of Black young men, especially in those first five years that it was out.

The result however has been that people now see just how goofy the entire labeling of Black youth is, because of witnessing their own silly kids trying to be cool in the same way, when two years back they were into Santa and "nite nite" stories. I believe that the result is a humanizing of Black boys.

Not one single typo!!!!

Not one single misspelling disguised as a typo (well, except for "nite nite," but we can let that one pass on the grounds that it's almost an accepted alternate spelling)!

Not even an "off course!"

Congratulations, Zedd!!!

See, you can do it!

(Now, if we can just do something about the pop psychology....)

Now if clavos could, like The Scarecrow, find someone to give him a brain....

Actually, "nite" is perfectly acceptable for informal use. You can find in most any current dictionary.

Clavos,

Now if you could only do something about growing your tiny mind, we would all be in business.

I'm pulling for ya lady.

Oops I meant to say lad. Darn it!! Rattunspakinoobligosh!!! That would mean I cant be in your super cool club can I Cleavage? Where is that rope!!! I mean what to do?!!! Spelling errors in the day of free spell checkers.... What can be done??? Oh the wind doth roar loudly mocking my great distress. I would search the globe but there is a war in the East. Wherein shall I find the answer? Alas, I shall ponder upon it another year, while in distress off course, I mean offcourse, decrying oh damn thee third grade teacher! Course the phonics!!! A major pock to the daughter of romance, oh Latin, you allusive tart!!

OOH new episode on HGTV!

Oh darn it I missed MR's comment. Now it looks like I copied!

or

It could mean that it's more than apparent that Clav needs a little help in the noggin department.

Oh another dilemma. Which is it? If only The Wise Men could make this yet another great trek to impart their knowledge and untie this knot.

Boy minutia is fun. Thanks Clav. I'll do this more often.

Let's see...
My pen won't write. Oh Beelzebub, thou doth spit your empty venom on the parchment of life at will. But I have developed an immunity to your sting. I have purchased an entire box of writing tools, carefully awaiting your strike. Foiled is your attempt. I write again!

Oh you don't accept checks?

Alas the plastic sword! Savior of man. Platinum goddess, she waves........ (I mean four dots)

"Oh darn it I missed MR's comment"

...And the point.

That's alright Clav.

I'll throw you a misspelled word and punctuation error frequently enough to keep you alert.
dot dot dot dot

Which wasn't the point, Zedd, but never mind.

You don't have to "throw" any misspellings or other grammatical errors my way, Zedd, all you have to do is keep posting; it'll happen without you even being aware of it.

Fat plumbers had better avoid west Trenton, NJ.

well i hate all the stupid preps they are just a bunch of show offs who just care about their clothes man who gives a fuck i hardly sag but fuck that new preppy look fuckin posers i still be doing like in the hood fuck suburbian i still be wearing them 2XL tall pro 5's and baggy south pole pants with chucks with fat lasses and new era LA caps mutha fuckers so fuck all you suburbian wanna be ghetto faggots

Its amazing how dumbfucks like "Moveable Feast" cannot separate the behavior from the person, meaning that jackasses who expose their repugnant body to the public do so because it is their culture. Horseshit. This writer EXPECTS blacks to behave like jackasses, ACCEPTS it, and then says their horrible behavior is some kind of right. I can't walk around with my cock out, but if I do I'll claim its my right "to expression," though the words "right to expression" are not anywhere in the Constitution, and if they were, exposing yourself isn't expression of anything.

hi

i think sagging pants should be legal in the whole country

I would like to say somthing on this topic of banning baggy clothes, QUIT WHINING, if you cant see it then how do you know it is there, there are some pants made exactly dfor the baggy look, any way it is what defines us clothing is what gives the right to express our feelings and our pride, i think the adults should stick to there stuff about the war and leave kids alone cause remember we are the future, oh and by the way for those people who say that kids with baggy pants are thugs and dropp outs well your wrong i am a 16 year in my senior year of high school and my pants sag and i am proud of it cause it is very comfortable. Thank you for time

i believe that if kids want to walk around with there pants below the waist they should be able to no matter what race.

Johnny... I just want to know what "feelings" are expressed when sagging pants? And to the editor, you're a little racist. I am a white 17 year old, I sag my pants, half the time out of habit. Also, I've seen white people around here get the ticket for sagging. And everyone, think about this; maybe sagging started many different ways in many different areas. I've heard the prison "offering" one, I've heard the prison "over sized clothes" one, I've heard the "hand me down" one, but one not mentioned yet, is it was started people hiding their guns in the pants. If the pants are sagging, the handle of the gun won't rub against your stomach. Other than all that, good job to all of you for not typing like idiots, using "idk" "u" or anything like that

Black Americans have always been at the cutting edge, in music, sports, and (without question) in
fashion. However, this hip hop cuture and/or jail
mentality is somehow mixed into this psuedo hyper masculine identity that has no value whatsoever.
It's also masking a sub-culture of men who prefer
other men, but don't want to labeled as gay. The
so-called homo-thug can blend easily into this
"culture". Gay's on the other hand have been
victimized by the so-called hard core hip hoppers,
while thier counterparts enjoy a sublime duality
within this community. A man, whether gay or straight shouldn't be judged on the basis of his
clothing. It is a man's "character" that defines
him. It's really bazaar when a man's arched and
manicured eyebrows are frowning because he is
insecure about his masculinity. Grow up, be yourself and stop acting like somebody else.

Black Americans have always been at the cutting edge, in music, sports, and (without question) in
fashion. However, this hip hop cuture and/or jail
mentality is somehow mixed into this psuedo hyper masculine identity that has no value whatsoever.
It's also masking a sub-culture of men who prefer
other men, but don't want to labeled as gay. The
so-called homo-thug can blend easily into this
"culture". Gay's on the other hand have been
victimized by the so-called hard core hip hoppers,
while thier counterparts enjoy a sublime duality
within this community. A man, whether gay or straight shouldn't be judged on the basis of his
clothing. It is a man's "character" that defines
him. It's really bazaar when a man's arched and
manicured eyebrows are frowning because he is
insecure about his masculinity. Grow up, be yourself and stop acting like somebody else.