I am sorry but I must not have read your article correctly. Did you miss the very point of rejection of the land swap deal, the continued existence of ILLEGAL settlements in the West Bank? How could anyone accept such a deal. How can anyone even offer such a proposition? Saying in one breath that you will give back ALL the land occupied in the '67 war and then in the very next breath excluding the heart of the would be Palestinian state shows the deception and manipulation evidenced in Israeli policy. Hundreds of settlements where allowed to be built by the Israeli government in the face of UN resolutions and international objections. Despite those objections and illegality thousands of Israelis are now within the area to be placed under Palestinian control. Does anyone really think that will bring peace? Those settlers are amongst some of the most radical zionist in all of Israel. There will be no peace or the majority of the land mass in the West Bank will be ceded to Israel for administration. Such a "deal" is no deal at all. Even one as new to this situation as I am can see that. This amounts to a kidnapper/rapist returning his victim but saying to the husband, "you can have your wife back but I get to sleep in her bed"! Come on Liam, get real!

The way I see it is, the settlements are built, and no Israeli government can ever tear them down, unless forced to do so by the UN going to war with them and winning, which is unlikely.

My point is whats done is done, the Palestinians are suffering everyday with no end in sight. If the Palestinians won't accept a state unless the settlements are pulled down and the full West Bank is part of it then they might be waiting forever. There needs to be compromise on both sides for a lasting peace.

The What's Done Is Done argument simply is bullshit.

Hitler invaded the former Czechoslovakia, for example. Why is it no longer part of the Third Reich.

What's done is done, my ass. I thought you were getting a little more in tune with reality, Liam--and now you've gone and convinced me that you should be sent to bed without your porridge.

What's done is done. You will never get any respect from me.

Tom, you are new to this issue. Hamas still refuses to accept Israel's right to exist. The PLO National Covenant calls for the destruction of Israel even though Arafat promised for hears he'd take it out. The Syrians arm Hezbollah to attack Israel and the Iranians arm Hamas. We're talking about one somewhat fractured democracy surrounded by vicious Saddam-type dictators who have been dedicated to Israel's destruction since 1948.

Also remember that from 1948 to 1967, Egypt controlled Gaza and Jordon the West Bank. At any time they could have created a Palestinian state, but preferred to keep the people in camps and stir up their anti-Israeli sentiment.

And as for the settlements being illegal, when did the world develop such a profound moral compass. For thousands of years, including today, countries take land from other countries in war. Why is that only the Jews aren't allowed to? (And, by the way, check out a map that shows the pre-67 borders. It will show a country with absolutely no chance of defending itself.

And Moonraven, do me a favor and stick a sock in your thinly-veiled anti-Semitism. Your knowledge of history is as pathetic as your knowledge of English.

But we'll always have...

In Jameson Veritas