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Comment by STM on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:57:45 EDT

Straight and proud wrote: "I am so tired of the homo agenda being rammed down my throat." Lol. Classic S and P. But as Clav's question poses, was it accidental?? How the fuck did I miss this.

Comment by gonzo marx on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:27:30 EDT

well now, Clavos...good eye on the old writings bit, tho there are some Chinese scholars who dispute the claim to oldest writings... but i digress my point is not just about how old some writings are, but their overall provenance and authenticity...not to mention the dubious quality of "inspiration" when it comes to source for the material case in point, Saul of Tarsus...known as Saint Paul, the alleged author of 21 out of 27 books in the New Testament...we are supposed to believe that this old reprobate fell down and was "inspired" to write out all of this as if it was the direct word of the allmighty.. yeah..and blue monkeys could fly outta my butt (royalty to Mike Myers) but, ya get my point... Excelsior?

Comment by Clavos on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:16:59 EDT

...and hands down winner of that mini-debate... The earliest known writings so far discovered, BTW, were written in 5500 BC and discovered in Pakistan in 1999.

Comment by gonzo marx on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:37:11 EDT

Jaime - no hate for any living individual here, quite the contrary... and you might want to look more deeply into the reality of the Jesus Seminar...far different than what you state as to your assertions on provenance of scripture...look up the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi texts, both of which i reference earlier while you are at it, look up Iraneus and his "Book of Five Heresies"..and do note that it was he who is considered the first individual to set down the texts acceptable and referred to now as the New Testament then c'mon back and i'll be happy to discuss some of this with you...but there's no hate from me just some Questions, and a rejection of dogmatic pronouncements no matter the source thus i remain, apostate and heretic... Excelsior?

Comment by Jaime on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:05:19 EDT

Gonzo, Im going to hav the last word here. You spew out your venomous hate and claim yourself a scholar but Jesus made comment agains those who thought themselves scholars and literalists. John 5:39. Perhaps you've seen newspaper reports about the "Jesus Seminar," a group of scholars who claim that Jesus didn't say most of the things the Bible says he did. Or perhaps you've heard of other scholars who say that the Bible is a collection of contradictions and myths. Many well-educated people dismiss the Bible. Many other equally educated people believe it is a trustworthy record of what God has done and said. If we cannot trust what the Bible says about Jesus, for example, then we will know almost nothing about him. The Jesus Seminar began with a preconceived idea of what Jesus would have taught. They accepted the sayings that fit this idea, and rejected the sayings that didn't, thereby, in effect, creating a Jesus in their own image. This is not good scholarship, and even many liberal scholars disagree with the Seminar. Do we have good reason to trust the biblical reports about Jesus? Certainly—they were written within a few decades of Jesus' death, when eyewitnesses were still alive. Jewish disciples often memorized the words of their teachers, so it is quite possible that Jesus' disciples preserved his teachings accurately. We have no evidence that they invented sayings to deal with early church concerns, such as circumcision. This suggests that they are reliable reports of what Jesus taught. We can also be confident that the manuscripts were well preserved. We have some copies from the fourth century, and smaller sections from the second. This is better than all other historical books. (The oldest copy of Virgil was copied 350 years after Virgil died; of Plato, 1,300 years.) The manuscripts show that the Bible was copied carefully, and we have a highly reliable text. and as you think you may know dont forget that before Jesus was flesh he was the Word of GOD whom all things the father Does, this included the destruction of SODOM.. GOT IT GONZO!!? The words of David were inspired by the Holy Spirit (Mark 12:36); a prophecy was given "through" Daniel (Matthew 24:15) because its real origin was God. Jesus said in Matthew 19:4-5 that the Creator said in Genesis 2:24: "A man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife." However, Genesis does not describe this verse as the words of God. Jesus could say that God said it simply because it was in Scripture. The assumption is that God is the ultimate author of all of Scripture. The evidence throughout the Gospels is that Jesus viewed Scripture as reliable and trustworthy. As he reminded the Jewish leaders, "the Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). Jesus expected it to be valid; he even upheld the validity of old covenant commands while the old covenant was still in force (Matthew 8:4; 23:23).

Comment by gonzo marx on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:14:47 EDT

Doc D sez "Jesus's closest female disciple, Mary Magdalene, was a prostitute. Read your New Testament, you dogmatic dunce." actually Doc..that is a fallacy...there was a scribe ..Barnabbas i think, some minor clergyperson...who mistakenly conflated an unnamed woman in an earlier Story..a prostitute who washed Jesus' feet with her hair...with Mary of Magdelene current studies posit that the two are NOT the same, and that the error may have been perpetrated by a patriarchy uninterested in a strong female figure to see why, you would need to understand the strife between early christian factions...the Valentinians versus Iraneus and the Unified(catholics)...but is the Gospel of Mary, check chapter 4, verse 26 for pertinence to this discussion on that website is also the Valentinian theology...an interesting read for those who like such things, and a far cry indeed from what we know as church dogma in history but my poin tis that the unnamed prostitute is NOT Mary of Magdelene, but just another mistake by church elders involving the scripture they chose to utilize Excelsior?

Comment by troll on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:23:32 EDT

funny that you should bring up the 10 commandments: in the 10th where we are instructed not to covet our neighbor's ass now god in his omniscience has known forever what connotations this phrase would take on through the ages and therefore the admonition against homosexuality is clear......

Comment by bliffle on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:51:28 EDT

"Those of us that are believers and followers of Christ are not bad people. We are not hateful, misguided, or "close-minded",..." Nevertheless, your armies marched and killed millions where they lived in their own countries, your torturers savaged innocents, and your priests destroyed the cultures of millions and provided moral excuses for plunder and murder. And you wonder that people are suspicious, wary and resentful as they are?

Comment by Anthony on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Sat, 8 Sep 2007 04:58:59 EDT

First time blogger. LOL. serious. I wish to thank everyone of you for a very interesting ; and educational evening. Most FUN Ive had in a while. GOD BLESS.

Comment by Dr Dreadful on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:17:54 EDT

Jesus's closest female disciple, Mary Magdalene, was a prostitute. Read your New Testament, you dogmatic dunce.

Comment by Hobart Stinson on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:06:47 EDT

On sinners: Their god is their own appetite, they glory in their shame, and this world is the limit of their horizon. Philippians 3:19 That statement applies to the family who did not respect the basic tenets of the Christian church when displaying images of a man's homosexuality inside the church. To those who say Jesus would have welcomed this funeral think this: would Jesus have exalted a prostitute and prominently displayed images of her plying her trade at her funeral? ***************************************** Discussion is the exchange of knowledge. Argument is the exchange of ignorance.

Comment by LeeAnn on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:38:16 EDT

An earlier comment says that "resentment against Christianity is understandable" (yes, I'm paraphrasing). I am forever astounded that I live in a world that, in 2007, has such a strong phobia and hatred when it comes to Christianity. Those of us that are believers and followers of Christ are not bad people. We are not hateful, misguided, or "close-minded", among other negativism thrown our way. Most of the "great" religions have had issues, directly related to the people, not the religions themselves, and have amassed numerous reasons they can be "resented". Why should Christianity be singled out? I don't understand the hatred and YES, intolerance thrown our way. Especially here in America we are free to believe what we believe, just as you are free to believe in something else, or not believe at all. I am constantly floored by the expectation that I give on everything, yet so many have no give for me. I'm rambling a little bit here, I know, but the point is that Christianity is no worse than any other religion out there and I'm frustrated by those of you that insist it is. Despite my frustration, I will continue my prayers for all of you: that God will touch your lives as He has touched mine. Good luck and God Bless.

Comment by Catey on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:44:39 EDT

Gonzo, Maybe Ruvy knows .There are things that non Jews are forbidden to do in the same manner as Jews. Your theories sound like Jack T. Chick , who published comic books about the evils of the catholic church...

Comment by Mark on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:27:19 EDT

It seems that the preaching (secular or not), and insulting from any side, from any belief can be problematic. People don't respond well to it. However I will state my thoughts: I believe there is a god that is beyond what is being discussed here, not swamped in religion or dogma. There are many ways for god to communicate. I also believe in science, such as evolution and geology, being the method of creation. I believe it is part of human nature to have faith even though not everyone has it. So, where does all this division and opinions leave us?

Comment by gonzo marx on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:03:37 EDT

Catey - i'd be interested in seeing where that came form..i'll bet it's something from a christian in the Middle Ages or later during the rise of Dispensationalism see, it was changed by Constantine to usurp the day that Roman's worshipped their sun-god at the time (it was also the time period halos were introduced to christianity, stolen form the holy glow of the sun-god's prophets)) but if the Laws and the Prophets are to be followed by christians..then the ONLY direct words of god to man, the Ten Commandments as given to Moses, would be paramount..would they not? not only do they disagree on the sabbath, there are many differences between the traditional 10 kept intact by the Jews since Moses...the Catholic verison..and the Protestant verisons...go and look them up the fallacies and foibles of Men appear to corrupt even the direct *word* when carved in stone by the Divine, eh? a lesson that Faith is a private thing for the Individual..but Religion is a political tool and serves only itself Excelsior?

Comment by gonzo marx on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:58:45 EDT

Jaime, thanks for correctly stating that Jesus said nothing about it... i am well aware that Paul said a lot of shit, so..you are taking as literal gospel the ravings of a delusional man who claimed to know the Mind and Will of God..and using this as your theological basis for argument? just wanting to be clear, especially since 21 of the (normally) 27 books of the NT are attributed to Saul of Tarsus...hence making what passes for "christianity" in today's context really equate to the following of Paul, NOT Jesus..despite all protestations to the contrary... scroll up earlier in the thread..i openly refer to myself as both apostate and heretic..but i am a knowledgeable one on some of these subjects, for all that i completely reject not only the correctly attributed Pauline texts, but the vast majority of them thta were written after his death, but with his name on them..and then included into the unified (catholic) bible by a single bishop(Iraneus) around 150 ad these simple and verifiable facts destroy whatever credence you care to make about the divinity or even the accuracy of the texts you appear to revere so...not that there isn't some good stuff in there on how to live a life...but there's a lot of shit in there too and so it ever is with the works of Men and the hubris of those who claim to know the Mind or Will of *god* Excelsior?

Comment by Catey on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:54:51 EDT

Gonzo, I read somewhere that a gentile believer should not practise the sabbath the same as a jew.It is for the same reason that the jews discourage coverting to judaism,aswell as the keeping of all the laws expected of the jews.

Comment by Jaime on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:52:06 EDT

Mark, wanted to let you know that I respect your ability to be open and Kind with your thoughts. I currently am the Chancellor of a group called the Western Knights of Peace. So I wanted to make the below statement about our committment, drive and spirit. I promise you "that every fiber of my being is consecrated to our cause; that nothing shall be lacking from the struggle that can be brought to it by enthusiasm, by devotion, and plain hard work. In this world no person, no party or organization can guarantee anything. "The good Lord raised this mighty Republic to be a home for the brave and to flourish as the land of the free-not to stagnate in the swampland of collectivism", Diversity, Liberalism, Islamic Radicals, and "not to cringe before the bully of communism" nor socialism or the Principalities of the world. "The tide has been running against freedom". "Our people have followed false prophets. We must, and we shall, return to proven ways-- not because they are old, but because they are true. We must, and we shall, set the tide running again in the cause of freedom". We can be freedom's Knights of Honor in a doubting world with the strength of a good man and gentlemen. "Now, certainly, simple honesty is not too much to demand of men in government". Knights will make a movement to hold accountability for it from everyone holding any public office. We Knights are now the Light of the World to shout and to take action. "Those who seek to live your lives for you, to take your liberties in return for relieving you of yours, those who elevate the state and downgrade the citizen must see ultimately a world in which earthly power can be substituted for divine will, and this Nation was founded upon the rejection of that notion and upon the acceptance of God as the author of freedom".

Comment by Jaime on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:51:26 EDT

Gonzo, Jesus didnt but Paul did. he also called it perversion. Romans 1:27 and dont forget the destruction of Sodom.. If you dont find that the new testament is divine and true, then I cant help you or even win an argument with you. All I can do is tell you that I disagree and begin a frontline from there.

Comment by gonzo marx on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:46:52 EDT

for Jaime in #509 - please do demonstrate and/or cite examples of how in any way , a homosexual relationship harms or diminishes anyone else's relationship? while you are at it, i'll extend my usual challenge..please do find me a single quote from Jesus that calls homosexuality a sin good luck...i'll wait Excelsior?

Comment by Jaime on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:41:25 EDT

to: Nancy and Rose The freedoms that we have and the freedoms we continue to fight and Die for, we have, not because of celebrities or elites. The freedoms are because of ordinary people who did extraordinary things, who loved GOD and this country, more than life itself but who earned a place for you and I, to enjoy this great land we call home, this wonderful nation that we should love enough to protect and preserve with the kind of conservative, solid Christian values and principles that made us a great nation. We live in the Land of the Free because of the Brave! We are not and Will NOT be blinded by political correctness. We will continue to our dying breath to protect and spread the good news of Christ and believe in true Sovereignty. We also know concerning Liberty and Peace on or ally to our soil, It's far later in the game than most realize, for the enemy has accomplished much in terms of their infiltration, population and entrenchment on our lands and in so many hearts of the people. Many including radical Islamist barbarians truly believe that America is their's for the taking. They're convinced that their imperialistic drive to conquer our nation is far stronger than our willingness to fight for what's rightfully ours. A scant few of us are willing to make the necessary changes within ourselves first then our country and to resist these cretins. Their victory would mean the end of the United States and the end of the free world as we know it. To them, it is not about politics, it is about religion, a radical religion where the law allows for beheadings, stoning and maiming; a radical religion that uses terror as its tool of choice to keep the masses in line.

Comment by Jaime on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:37:12 EDT

To Nancy and Christopher Rose. you two are so off the path.. Where in my argument or debate to you did I "go around insulting non-believers by accosting them & insisting they also believe, or say you will go to hell?!!! Thats between you and the Creator (or Whatever your end will be. ) its okay with me that you die without a belief in the right one. I dont mind if you want to practice HOMO Sex. I really dont care What you do with your life. Just dont impose an agnostic or fallible law that would call the destruction of organization and solid foundations that made this country great!! Go do your gay things or promote all the lewdness you want but dont YOU DARE expect me to sit on the side lines an let you destroy Family and Good Character. I will fight you and all your acts that cause harm to decency!!

Comment by The Reformer on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:35:29 EDT

Thats funny....does Jamie do all the smiting?....lol....Tell ya what nancy, Jamie aint got nothing compared to what wrath you will suffer from God on YOUR day of Judgement. And also, on your faith comment up higher, there is only ONE faith, and that is in Jesus Christ, NO OTHER, any faith in budda, Allah, whatever, is like having faith in a roach,,.....it will get you nothing but HELL. Have A Nice Day

Comment by gonzo marx on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:21:44 EDT

don't make me stop this car and come into the BACK SEAT OF THIS THREAD!!! i'm just saying... for those who like to think of their Bible as the literal Word and such...or that this book is either infallible or written by other than men...ponder your arguments first... than Ask yourself...why are the Commandments different between Jews, Catholics and Protestants? who changed the day of the Sabbath, and why? food for Thought... Excelsior?

Comment by Nancy on Homo-expect-us: Imposing Values on Christians

Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:09:31 EDT

More to the point: you have enough to do to look after your OWN soul; leave me & mine alone.