Blogcritics Comments on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Comment by Jesse on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:26:08 EDT

I'm confused, Les... was that a dig at me? Funny... I never thought I needed to talk down to you guys. You're all smart, and when that fails (as it often does for me) you know how to use Wikipedia. Maybe it wasn't. For instance, I don't understand the nickname "Paote." If I'm wrong, go ahead and correct me.

Comment by Les Slater on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:33:44 EDT

PS: Paote, in his post, introduced a technically much more complicated term, 'positive feedback', a loop no less, than anything that I have so far brought up with the fridge. It seems to me that this might be representative of a tendency to talk in terms we can safely assume nobody is going to understand, so we all are sufficiently impressed not to challenge but to see it as a sign of authority.

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:24:27 EDT

You want SCIENTIFIC cat fights?! Wow, not too easy to please are you?

Comment by Clavos on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:23:01 EDT

gonzo, "moonraven - i shared the link merely to demonstrate that nowhere is free from high level corruption, at any time in history" In re corruption, the USA is a shining bastion of purity compared to our neighbors to the south. At ALL levels, not just the "high level[s]." And I am NOT saying that the USA is absolutely a "shining bastion," just relatively.

Comment by Les Slater on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:19:26 EDT

Gonzo, "...told ya i was leaving your thought experiment to duane, who has the math to cover your exercise in greater detail and more accuracy than i ever could...what you speak of is not any kind of "fight", but in the realm of scientific debate...which i claim not enough expertise in to be qualified to delve into properly" I didn't say it was a fight. that term was just my segway into my comment. I am somewhat frustrated that nobody, apparently including duane, has since commented since you left. My concern really is that nobody seems prepared to deal with any subject scientifically. I consider the realm of politics to be where looking at the subject scientifically is especially import. It so easy here to just accuse someone of being a lefty, a righty, or whatever, and the debates just fly over heads. My #114 in 'Chistianity and Atheism' was an attmpt at humor to break the ice (no pun intended). Still no comments. The question of the fridg is actually a lot simpler than the politics we discuss here. There is NO complex math involved, nothing beyond +,-,x and /, not even powers or roots. Les

Comment by gonzo marx on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:56:45 EDT

moonraven - i shared the link merely to demonstrate that nowhere is free from high level corruption, at any time in history one does what one can, and while i am certain i have far from comprehensive knowledge of what others do to stand up for that they hold dear and struggle to correct... the converse is also true just some carrion for Thought to feed a night corvid Excelsior?

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:37:14 EDT

Here's today's story on it.

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:35:29 EDT

Actually, gonzo, although I thank you for the link, it is a perfect example of the perils of NOT KNOWING THE LANGUAGE when talking about another country. And I refer to both you and the Washington Post. Although I have said all along that Echeverria would never do jail time (he's been under house arrest for several months as the law allows folks over either 70 or 75 years old that privilege and he's in his 80s), the concept of "AMPARO"--the juridical term used here--is not really the clearing of someone so much as it is a get out of jail free card. The Committee of 68 is in the process of taking the case against Echeverria to the Interamerican Committee on Human Rights. He will probably die before the case is finally resolved. And I was not in Mexico in 1968--but in Chicago for the riots at the demo's convention.... Sorry, gonzo, but even I can't raise hell in two places at once.

Comment by gonzo marx on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:45:00 EDT

for moonraven - on Justice in Mexico, and one wonders, for all the activist caws emanating from an expatriate beak, how it feels with the shoe on the other talon? you harp on what US citizens are doing, and how much better it is elsewhere, one might say it's the same the world over...and one does what one can @ Les - told ya i was leaving your thought experiment to duane, who has the math to cover your exercise in greater detail and more accuracy than i ever could...what you speak of is not any kind of "fight", but in the realm of scientific debate...which i claim not enough expertise in to be qualified to delve into properly Excelsior?

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:16:18 EDT

There is simply no way it could NOT be politicized. But then, there are a number of folks on this site who have not the slightest inkling as to what that word even means....

Comment by troll on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:18:16 EDT

you are perfectly correct moonraven - the Board of Governors of the Fed is an independent federal agency whose members serve at the pleasure of the president with the advice and consent of congress...but there is more to the Fed than the Board of Governors on the odd mixture of public and private in the Fed and the history of its declining autonomy in the face of political influences see this old Cato article which supports moonraven's view that the Fed is essentially politicized

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:22:58 EDT

Whining I DO NOT indulge in. Obviously my opinion does not matter to you--which is why you keep trying to convince me that you are right to sit on your haunches and fantasize about a perfect world. Maybe on another planet your fantasy will come true....

Comment by Les Slater on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:14:24 EDT

"for example, i don't flee from a Fight..." Maybe not quite a fight, but I haven't seen you around the fridg lately.

Comment by gonzo marx on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:39 EDT

moonraven - you labor under the mistaken impression that your opinion matters, or that i can be bullied into compliance by strident whining i'm quite content that when it's time for my *soul* to be weighed by JuJu, may his tusks always glow with the Light of Reason, i will be happy to bear full Responsibilty for all my actions, good and bad for example, i don't flee from a Fight, i consider it cowardly at best your mileage may vary Excelsior?

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:29:15 EDT

Okay, smart guy, just SHOW ME what your vote and your voice is accomplishing RIGHT NOW. And stop shitting around. Let me know when you actually DO SOMETHING.

Comment by gonzo marx on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:18:12 EDT

moonraven...did you miss the and part? you know, about using our Voices, as well as the analogy i made to how much that kind of influence could and has accomplished? but hey..i guess attempting to Reason with those who desire to remain unreasonable is merely my normal quixotic impulse made manifest Excelsior?

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:12:42 EDT

The founding fathers founded by creating a revolution--not by voting!!!!!!!!!!! I have indicated more than once on this site my history of voting in the US: 1. 1972--McGovern (we had bumperstickers that said Don't Blame Me--I'm from Massachusetts). 2. 1980--whoever the Libertarian candidate was. 3. 1984--wrote in Jesse Jackson (at least I was voting for somebody that I knew!) You can see how impressed I have been with the menu.... How much has your voting privilege accomplished? I can answer that for you: NOTHING.

Comment by gonzo marx on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:37:21 EDT

we have the tools available to any Citizen, moonraven our Vote..and our Voice and before you go an say that neither matter, let me remind you what the Founders and their pamphlets accomplished...as only one example but hey, i guess it's not as much as sniping from a foreign country, do you even come back to vote? Excelsior?

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:34:12 EDT

How do you folding chair quarterbacks propose to do any of this? You are just playing around, killing time. Meaningless and gratuitous fantasies. Facts, said Nalle's hero Ronald Reagan, are stupid things. Of course he had Alzheimer's. But who cares, anyway. It's all a game to you guys.

Comment by gonzo marx on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:26:40 EDT

ok..so you can't show or cite proof of your allegation, just your assertion (which i am inclined to agree with) and how many parties there should be is not the Question asked..but whether you will also state that you think any trying for permanent single Party rule demonstrate traitorous intent Excelsior?

Comment by Dave Nalle on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:20:17 EDT

do show me an example where anyone else has had the balls to say it where it could be recorded and i'll denounce the pigfucker just as soundly as i do Rove the fact that others aren't as arrogantly overconfident as Rove doesn't mean that they don't have the same beliefs. The goal of either party in the system we currently have is permanent political dominance with the other party reduced to a permanent secondary role. in either case...i'l say it clearly again...ANY bastard that tries to permanently implement a single party rule in this country is a fucking traitor..i don't care what gang that kind of slime belongs to even Rove isn't talking about single-party rule by law. he's talking about outpoliticking the other party so successfully that they are rendered irrelevant. that's what his career has been all about. now, can YOU say the same? with ease. i'm on record multiple times as believing that the 2 party system should be broken down by any means possible. the republicans and democrats both need to be split into multiple political parties - at least 2 each. dave

Comment by moonraven on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:44:23 EDT

Excuse me, but appointing the board by the executive and confirming it by the legislative means that two of the 3 branches of government DO indeed have direct control over it! I am not getting one whit closer to taking a bite.

Comment by Les Slater on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:26:06 EDT

"If it isn't part of the US government, I will be eating IT, too--district by district, in this case." Even though the banking system in this country is centalized it is not part of the 3 branches of the government. It is part of the government by virtue of the fact that it does govern. No elected or appointed sector of the 3 official sector of government have any direct contol of it.

Comment by gonzo marx on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:24:06 EDT

the key word there Les is permanent folks can vote as they choose, but as seen with the Dems holding Congress for 40 years...when the People want to change, they can...and thus another political gang gets the majority it's the "permanent" part that smacks of Stalin, and that i consider traitorous if it was me, i'd side with some of the Founders and get rid of political parties...but it ain't up to me, and i will readily defend a Citizen's right to assemble as they see fit but what i'd like to see are MORE political gangs, bust the two main parties into their core constituents and have REAL choices rather than what serves the needs of the DLC and GOP fundraisers/kingmakers hope that helps explain... Excelsior?

Comment by Les Slater on Transgressions and Feedback Loops: A Partisan Rant

Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:19:16 EDT

"but either side trying to create some kind of permanent single party rule is ridiculous and anathema in the extreme" Why? Do a majority of a people have a right to continually vote for one party if it meets their needs? I think people have right to form parties but I would be against giving one of these parties a chance just because someone thinks another party has been in too long.