I agree.

In the final analysis, the GW alarmism is all about power, and "Ponzi scheme" pretty well sums up the carbon offset idea.

Offsets allow people to salve their consciences about their "carbon footprints" without their having to make any meaningful changes in their lifestyles, yet the offsets have no net effect on the amount of carbon being released into the atmosphere.

But carbon offsets DO make a difference to Mr. Gore's net worth; it has been reported that he owns a firm which brokers them.

I don't see any obvious connection between Gore's company and the sale of carbon offsets going on through Live Earth, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's some money to be made for him in the process.

What troubles me about carbon offsets is that they appear to be a way for people to invest in companies in the alternative energy industry while essentially never receiving a return on their investment. They're basically donations to the businesses in question, giving them an unfair advantage over competitors, and in this case that advantags is going solely to the selected groups Gore and his partners have selected. That's pretty unfair to alternative energy businesses which don't happen to be associated with Gore but could use some free capital.

Dave

for fuck's sake. he's raising money to help us produce alternate fuel sources. what's wrong with that?

you waste a lot of time speaking out against something with almost no downside and the potential to save us from ourselves.

Zing, he's raising the money under false pretenses and then passing it on to a handful of the more politically correct recipients who he's chosen to grace - for whatever reason - with his largesse.

Where are the biodiesel fuel producers and fuel-cell technology developers on his list? It's all wind power and methane. Methane production can produce byproducts which are worse than anything biodiesel puts out. In fact, recent studies on Biodiesel show it producing less direct output of greenhouse gasses than methane.

Dave

If Nalle could come up with a scheme where someone would give him media attention and money--to do ANYTHING--he would mercifully disappear from this site.

So what's your solution, Nalle? I normally don't mind it when people pee on other's parades, but I am getting sick of people just offering negativism in place of "political Bono"'s insight. If Gore is doing wrong, say so, say why, and give an alternative. Otherwise for all your insight and metaphor you are basically just pushing the mountain, not the envelope.

Why not talk about alternatives? Or devote more time to the "meat" of this article, the suggestion that Gore and others are in it for the money (or some similar ulterior motive)? That would make for less a sensationalist and more informed pseudo-attack on Gore. And believe me, there are many out there who are just as ill-at-ease with it, even if we "get his message". We just need less of this (possible unintentional) smearing, and more positive reasons to switch to another campaign.

DrDichotomous,

It isn't that there is no possible technical solution. We might not know all the answers but we need to get serious about doing something. Mr. Gore is not serious. His direction will not solve the problems that he does a fair job of pointing to some of them.

Les

DrD. I've proposed some solutions in other articles. In this one I'm just pointing out the bizarreness of this particular facet of the giant turd of fearmongering which is the climate change movement. The answer in this case is not to take these people anywhere near as seriously as they take themselves.

And MR, my name - often accompanied by a scary photo - appears in our local paper about once a month. That's probably sufficient media exposure for me at this time.

Dave

Please give us the solution Drdick. I have none however I get better fuel consumption from Capt Morgan. At least I think I do.

I always thought all the Canutes were Danish but it's still a good story.

Do you blog anywhere else besides blogcritics?

Anthony

AG, Canute was indeed Danish, but he was King of England during a period where the Danes dominated the country after the decline of the Wessexian dynasty and before the Norman invasion. By all accounts he was a pretty decent king for being a Dane and all. It was the struggle between his half-saxon son Harald Harefoot and Harald Godwinson over the throne which created the situation which William the Conqueror took advantage of to invade.

Dave

Is this the same Canute that was King of Demark, Sweeden, Norway and England and then split his kingdoms up among family members after his death?

dave, i don't know why he chose to give money to methane and wind power people. i really don't. but do you really think that he's doing all of this to make money? or to make money for other people (why would anyone do that)?

regardless of where the money goes (and i doubt it goes to him), he's raising awareness of something that is a probable danger. i don't care what you think about it. you have very little clue, and neither do i, but i'll go with science on this one, instead of blind faith.

you really are an optimist. good for you.

Zing, I'm not sure what his motivations are beyond raising his personal profile to the point where he will be annointed King of the World at some later date.

The favoring of methane over other alternatives does trouble me. Methane conversions for existing vehicles cost $2000-$3000, while you can buy plenty of production models which will run on biodiesel or ethanol. Pushing methane doesn't make much sense to me, excep that it has a coolness factor. It suggests that his interest is sort of superficial and going for the flashy over the meaningful.

I have no faith in the science, and clearly Gore doesn't either, since he couches the whole issue in feel-goodism rather than science. You may have noticed that the whole climate change movement has been edging away from hard science as more and more evidence surfaces to contradict their past arguments. I just wish Gore had made the other really GOOD argument and provided a national security component to his argument for alternative energy.

Dave

Maybe the writer has a better plan than Al Gore ... having held so many jobs in various capacities, from freelancer to bartender to history professor and what not! He should publish a blue print with statistics about exactly how his plan is going to work. Stop vacuous mudslinging you skim milk.

Dave,

"The favoring of methane over other alternatives does trouble me. Methane conversions for existing vehicles cost $2000-$3000, while you can buy plenty of production models which will run on biodiesel or ethanol"

This is interesting if that's what he's proposing. Burning methane from most current sources adds to the Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere. Burning biodiesel or ethanol does not.

Les

Dave writes: "The problem is that anyone who watches the concert must have a TV and anyone who has a TV is bound to already be aware of global warming."

Not necessarily. Having a TV for many means keeping in touch with Paris Hilton's latest moroncapades or the delightful spectacle of UFC fighters ripping one another's heads off. To such folks, who number in the millions, global issues of pressing concern mean next to nothing and they may have only the foggiest notion of what global warming is.

A brief perusal of some of the comments in the music and TV sections of this site will give you a good idea of the intellectual level of this population.

The idea behind something like Live Earth is that people who would not listen to politicians or scientists might actually pay attention when the message comes from their pop icons.

The version of the Canute legend which was prevalent in kids' history books back when I was a Britling held that the King had such a huge ego he believed he could hold back the tides, and staged the demo in an attempt to prove it. I suspect that the historical chauvinists who wrote this kind of crap were of the opinion that all English kings prior to the Norman Conquest were one step out of the Stone Age, and couldn't possibly (with the exception, for some reason, of Alfred, though even he was accused of being a rotten cook) do anything sensible or smart.

As for Canute dividing his empire up among his sons (Mr Grande, comment #13), I believe this may have been standard Danish practice at that time - much as it was among the Celtic peoples up until the medieval period.

Doc, #18 and #19. Not bad you fuddy duddy. Interesting.

The Canute legend is a little suspect because the standard version which I've seen most often is that he declares that only jesus has the right to be a king and renounces his crown. That sounds to me like blatant church propaganda.

The reason the Danes and other Scandinavians were always invading people and going viking was that they had primogeniture and normally did not divide holdings up among children, instead passing everything to the eldest child. Canute's situation was unique because he had multiple sons and also multiple kingdoms.

As for Gore and his love of methane, it's inexplicable. It does produce some pollutants, but it's still very low, actually beating out biodiesel on NOX emission. But it's certainly not superior or anywhere near as economical.

Dave

This is why I thought about setting up a carbon offset company, you paypal me $50, I'll hold my breath for a minute. Nalle is right about that, it's a Ponzi scheme you enter into knowing there will never be physical evidence of progress.
Snake oil, ladies and gentlemen. Get it while it's hot.

Perhaps all of the people writing on BC could accept carbon offset payments not to ever print out any of our writings on environment-destroying paper.

dave

To me, the most confusing thing about "carbon offsets" is that there already is a way to pay for the fuel you use. It's called a fuel bill. Gore and his ilk want to cap electricity prices, increase the gas tax, and pay people who aren't providing fuel. Then, I guess, go down to the 7-11, give away their Big Gulps, and yell at the owner when they run out.

Zing asks what's wrong with Gore's activity. It's screwing around with the markets, and that never helps. He's pushing money toward companies that have no incentive to succeed, and no track record of success.

Will this concert really enlighten the Paris-obsessed masses? I imagine that if you're dim enough to not have heard about global warming, you could sit through the show and think it was just a concert. But if you're somewhat aware of global warming, and concerned about it, this concert could make you feel like you've done something by sitting in front of the tv all day.

If you want to do something for alternative fuels, try something proven, and split an atom or two.

Toilet paper is the answer. I run my whole house and cars on used toilet paper. Once you get over the smell it's a cake walk.

What annoys me about all this is that places like China and India get off the hook in relation to their carbon output, while the rest of us are now expected to pay through the nose.

And that is on the nose. Let's make everyone pay.

Dave,

"As for Gore and his love of methane, it's inexplicable. It does produce some pollutants, but it's still very low..."

It still introduces sizable amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere; biodiesel and ethanol introduce none.

Les

Did I mention that one of my cars will run on farts.

That's nothing, sr. President Bush has an Iraq policy that runs on a wing and a prayer.

SR, methane essentially IS farts. So Gore is promoting fart-based alternative energy.

Dave

Dave Nalle,
Meet The RFK Jr. 2008 Candidate Draft Movement on myspace.

given the condition his voice has been in the last few times i've listened to his radio show i have my doubts about his viability as a candidate.

dave

What is up with his voice? Sounds as if it's an epic struggle for him just to get a vocal cord or two to twitch.

Maybe he can get one of those voice synthesizers like the one Stephen Hawking uses...

On the other hand, might it not be beneficial to have a President who isn't capable of effortlessly spewing garbage every time he opens his mouth...?

two years ago his voice was fine. then at some point he started having this problem. i figured it was bronchitis or something temporary, but given the time it has lasted i initially thought it was throat cancer or something much nastier. however, it is supposedly a rare disorder called spasmodic dysphonia which causes the muscles of the larynx to spasm involuntarily and make the voice sound raspy. sounds like a good explanation, but since that's a chronic problem it makes me wonder why he only developed it suddenly in his late 40s and not much earlier in his career.

dave

Now we really NEED to spend our time posting about rare medical conditions.

As for the comment about China and India getting off the hook and the First World supposedly being asked to pay through the nose:

1. The First World--at least Australia and the US--are not paying anything at all, nor doing anything at all--they deny the existence of the problem.

2. The Third World's dubious privileges are the price the First World pays for claiming superiority. Live with it.

Dave - burps. The main source of bovine methane is cow burps.

Dave - new keyboard. Best Buy. Five minutes, in and out. C'm on.

if only, dr. d. i'm doing most of my work on a mac powerbook and replacing the keyboard on these newer ones is a bit of a pain. will probably have to do it though.

dave

Switch to ubuntu 7.04.

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