http://blogcritics.org/ A sinister cabal of superior bloggers on music, books, film, popular culture, politics, and technology - updated continuously. en Copyright 2005-2007 by the authors Sun, 11 May 2008 23:05:27 EDT http://backend.userland.com/rss Blogcritics.org custom software http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-717315 Well it's obvious that the principles that the flyer were based upon are completely irrational and will never hold up properly in the real world (except for in their own particular circle of insanely fanatical politic protesters), and I would like to say that there is no way I would ever support their ideals. However, to not be allowed bail is almost as purely discriminative as the people who practise the same religion which the girls. It is discriminating against them purely because they are pushing politically incorrect statements... whether these were the reasons they would give or not. Also, I agree with the suggestion that it is the parents who should be "in trouble" - these are the people who have influenced these poor girls; without these unsuitable carers, they would most likely be living normal lives and believing proper morals. However, I suppose that I should be supporting the disallowing of bail to these girls - I would much rather that them and the rest of their discriminative slogan-spouting posse would be out of our world, let alone just out of society, so to speak. They are completely insane, and perhaps all they need is to be stimulated in some other way, other than using hate as their drug. I think that their hate gives them some sort of rush, and makes them feel like they are in power in their utmost moment of anger... they are not in power. They never will be if they continue to only speak of the things they hate, instead of thinking of those they love (except for God). Basically, they should get a life - their entire life is devoted to their religion, which is based on the fact that they love God, and God hates the world. Who are they to even state that there IS a God? What happens if there isn't (as I believe), and their whole lives amount to nothing? If this is the case, then a homosexual person's life, even if they believe that all of their life is sin, perhaps their sin is better than THEIR life, which basically amounts to nothing. I only just turned 13, and yet I can already see all of this. PLEASE, SOMEBODY STOP THEM... Thank you =] xx 717315@blogcritics.org Sun, 11 May 2008 23:05:27 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-717314 Well it's obvious that the principles that the flyer were based upon are completely irrational and will never hold up properly in the real world (except for in their own particular circle of insanely fanatical politic protesters), and I would like to say that there is no way I would ever support their ideals. However, to not be allowed bail is almost as purely discriminative as the people who practise the same religion which the girls. It is discriminating against them purely because they are pushing politically incorrect statements... whether these were the reasons they would give or not. Also, I agree with the suggestion that it is the parents who should be "in trouble" - these are the people who have influenced these poor girls; without these unsuitable carers, they would most likely be living normal lives and believing proper morals. However, I suppose that I should be supporting the disallowing of bail to these girls - I would much rather that them and the rest of their discriminative slogan-spouting posse would be out of our world, let alone just out of society, so to speak. They are completely insane, and perhaps all they need is to be stimulated in some other way, other than using hate as their drug. I think that their hate gives them some sort of rush, and makes them feel like they are in power in their utmost moment of anger... they are not in power. They never will be if they continue to only speak of the things they hate, instead of thinking of those they love (except for God). Basically, they should get a life - their entire life is devoted to their religion, which is based on the fact that they love God, and God hates the world. Who are they to even state that there IS a God? What happens if there isn't (as I believe), and their whole lives amount to nothing? If this is the case, then a homosexual person's life, even if they believe that all of their life is sin, perhaps their sin is better than THEIR life, which basically amounts to nothing. I only just turned 13, and yet I can already see all of this. PLEASE, SOMEBODY STOP THEM... Thank you =] xx 717314@blogcritics.org Sun, 11 May 2008 23:05:21 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-717313 Well it's obvious that the principles that the flyer were based upon are completely irrational and will never hold up properly in the real world (except for in their own particular circle of insanely fanatical politic protesters), and I would like to say that there is no way I would ever support their ideals. However, to not be allowed bail is almost as purely discriminative as the people who practise the same religion which the girls. It is discriminating against them purely because they are pushing politically incorrect statements... whether these were the reasons they would give or not. Also, I agree with the suggestion that it is the parents who should be "in trouble" - these are the people who have influenced these poor girls; without these unsuitable carers, they would most likely be living normal lives and believing proper morals. However, I suppose that I should be supporting the disallowing of bail to these girls - I would much rather that them and the rest of their discriminative slogan-spouting posse would be out of our world, let alone just out of society, so to speak. They are completely insane, and perhaps all they need is to be stimulated in some other way, other than using hate as their drug. I think that their hate gives them some sort of rush, and makes them feel like they are in power in their utmost moment of anger... they are not in power. They never will be if they continue to only speak of the things they hate, instead of thinking of those they love (except for God). Basically, they should get a life - their entire life is devoted to their religion, which is based on the fact that they love God, and God hates the world. Who are they to even state that there IS a God? What happens if there isn't (as I believe), and their whole lives amount to nothing? If this is the case, then a homosexual person's life, even if they believe that all of their life is sin, perhaps their sin is better than THEIR life, which basically amounts to nothing. I only just turned 13, and yet I can already see all of this. PLEASE, SOMEBODY STOP THEM... Thank you =] xx 717313@blogcritics.org Sun, 11 May 2008 23:04:37 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-714657 people are allowed to to kiss who ever they god mother fucking damn well like. Who are we to say what they can or can't do. Who are we to say who they can fuk or not I'm only 16 but I damn well ain't ignorent like most Christians are 714657@blogcritics.org Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:36:09 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-712932 Just goes to show that any idiot can publish his opinion. So she didn't get bail....waaaah......looks like there aint anything more interesting to report on in that neck of the woods. 712932@blogcritics.org Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:49:29 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-687853 God hates fags? In the UK that means 'God hates smoking'? Oh gosh...I thought God hated hate.... 687853@blogcritics.org Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:55:57 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-687816 Absolutely right!!! This girl was promoting hate! Trying to start a task force? That is dangerous! 687816@blogcritics.org Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:38:15 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-687761 Rapists and murders and pedophiles get bail, but damnit, make a flyer that says God Hates Fags and you're so totally worse than them. 687761@blogcritics.org Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:48:56 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-687725 John, WOW, this is a good one. we have God and sexuality that is threatening to wimp assed males. All in one sentence. Throw some gas on that fire!! I love it. what if we found out that God is a fag? Well, in theory he/she is, since he/she is omnipitent (sp?) and everyone is created in his/her image. Is he a he or a she? A hermaphadite? Oh gosh, it is so easy to piss a lot of people off in this department.... What the hell... Anyway, we have church and state and hate crime all in one. the judge probably made the right move on this one. God hates homophobes.... DM 687725@blogcritics.org Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:15:37 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-687681 good stupid bitches got what was coming to them! Yeah bitch and bitch about freedom of speach but its not free when you are bashing some one! that is a crime and lifes a bitch! so seems like someone is finaly getting this shit under wraps this "god hates fags" shit is bull shit you know what if they were saying "god hates men" or "god hates children" what thin? see we can bitch all fucking day and get no where so what the fuck gives some stupid little bitch the right to pass that shit out. If i was at her school and saw her doing this shit i wold have no problem with walking up to her and punching her in her fucked up face and laughing the whole way to the police station. Y? thats what she just did to every gay person she passed that shit out to. well same concept! 687681@blogcritics.org Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:13:16 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-687617 I guess God hates that girl also... she got no bail.... 687617@blogcritics.org Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:10:36 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-687601 The judge probably was a fag and he got insulted. Evidently he thinks saying god hates fags is worse than murder. The homos are worse than the radical feminists and black people when it comes to getting their feelings hurt. The lesbians have all but sabbotaged the feminist movement and today this so called girl power is more like lesbianism than it is like feminism. 687601@blogcritics.org Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:50:59 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-654596 I think facts speak for themselves. Who does god hate, well lets see here... Aids/HIV is a leading killer of people all over the world. It seems that it is now so widespread, it's gods way of bump starting evolution again. In the entire world, 34.3 million people suffer and will most likely eventually die from Aids. Of this total number, no less than 24.5 million of those people are from sub-saharan Africa. Most all of those people are black. What does that tell you about what the lord thinks of black people? A white world for the future, a black world for Planet of the Apes. 654596@blogcritics.org Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:01:31 EST http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596944 I don't think violence was the retaliatory tactic James had in mind Steve. Besides, The school already retaliated on the boys behalf by expelling the girls. This is the problem with thought cr--, er, hate crime legislation. They violate a higher constitutional guarantee. Equal protection. It opens the door for activist judges to pursue unequal "justice" on behalf of their favored causes. So an "artistic" expression like "piss Christ" gets a pass, while "God disapproves of homosexuality" --to clean up the girls' expression a bit-- does not. 596944@blogcritics.org Thu, 31 May 2007 19:07:46 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596694 <i>The boy should just brush it off or go on the offensive.</i> What a horrible world you want James, where you encourage one youth to retaliate against another. How about we just let all juveniles carry guns to school and be done with it. 596694@blogcritics.org Thu, 31 May 2007 10:31:44 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596603 Sean wrote: "Oh, and your reference to celebrities is priceless". That wasn't me, dopey. Perhaps while you're reading up on the law and your own constitution and smacking yourself over the wrist for having no understanding about any of this you can read the posts properly too. Still, the protections under the 1st amendment don't always apply under civil law either. Maybe you should just drop it before you embarrass yourself totally. 596603@blogcritics.org Thu, 31 May 2007 01:23:12 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596591 girls are being kids not criminals. This is minor, just like most of the priors. you are over judicating a high school prank. The Judge is still wrong. your wrong. their is no law broken. The LA Weekly ran that flyer of Bush before the elections. It was front cover of a widely distributed liberal publication. Nobody said a thing. silence. I laughed, then thought, man what a one way street. God hates fags is not hate speech. Homos are not offended by the word fag as say heterosexuals are. You have to make too many assumptions to come to the conclusion that GHF constitutes a hate crime. This is simply two people fighting with words and actions without actually hurting anyone. It has nothing to do with the law and everything to do with free speech. You are allowed to call people names and disagree. your alllowed to voice your opinion and yes sometimes it hurts. You are also allowed to make stuff up and hurt people. I know this sounds simple to you thinkers out there but your complicating matters. Politicians make accusations about opponents in commercials. They are not sued. In business, people attack one another just like this and worst all the time. and yes a fraction does go to court but in always comes down to damages. How much did you suffer or loose. The boys parents have no grounds to sue. Where are the damages. Did the kid suffer any great financial loss or bodily injury. No. The judge has no more right than the girls to come to the conclusion that god hates fags with that boys picture on it as a hate crime. The boy should just brush it off or go on the offensive. Government has no place in this matter. This confrontation should of stayed on the local home front with parents and teachers. Police have no say in this. They should be out catching the real criminals that are stealing life and property. No law should ever be made to prevent one from doing stupid things and silly behavior. Do want robots for people. 596591@blogcritics.org Thu, 31 May 2007 01:07:31 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596561 <i>...one of the very foundations of American democracy is an independent judiciary and rule of law.....Coupled with the concepts of the accused being presumed innocent and the burden of proof being on the state.</i> Agreed. So all they have to do is prove she distributed the flyers in her hand, and that are all over the school..... 596561@blogcritics.org Thu, 31 May 2007 00:20:37 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596532 Thanks for asking. She's still in hospital (six weeks this coming Saturday), but does seem to be improving slowly. Watch your emails on (your) Friday night and I'll update you. I owe you one, besides. Thanks mate. 596532@blogcritics.org Wed, 30 May 2007 23:17:45 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596529 Same in all the anglo countries Clav. That's also why we've all endured these many years, without coups and crises that couldn't be solved the best way of all - at the ballot box, as expressions of the will of the people. It's what makes us all collectively very different - despite our differences - to those societies that do not attach the same importance to rule of law and democratic, representative government. How are you, BTW. Is your missus on the mend? 596529@blogcritics.org Wed, 30 May 2007 23:10:10 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596524 <i>"...one of the very foundations of American democracy is an independent judiciary and rule of law."</i> ...Coupled with the concepts of the accused being presumed innocent and the burden of proof being on the state. 596524@blogcritics.org Wed, 30 May 2007 22:54:34 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596521 Sean: yeah, right. With respect, as I understand you are passionate about this. You know the law better than the people who write it and enact it? Come on mate, it's not as simple as you paint it. If you think it's unconstitutional, you a) understand nothing about your own constitution and b) are totally deluded in regards to what your rights really are and always have been. I'll agree that the 1st amendment is a very good thing and I wish in my country that the implied understanding that my free speech is a natural right was actually part of codified law rather than common law, but as I keep saying, in the US it doesn't and never has offered carte-blanche protections. Free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you like. This is a classic example. If they were protected, these kinds of prosecutions would never even be mounted. It's worth remembering too when you are talking about the courts that one of the very foundations of American democracy is an independent judiciary and rule of law. 596521@blogcritics.org Wed, 30 May 2007 22:49:37 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596288 Doc#128, cant argue with that friend. Besides the panties keep falling off my head. Life just sucks in these hot sands of Florida. 596288@blogcritics.org Wed, 30 May 2007 12:51:14 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596259 Being familiar with the writings of Bambenek is another clue. Just about everything he writes is twisted around to point fingers at the ACLU. Damn those fighters of civil liberties, how unAmerican they are. 596259@blogcritics.org Wed, 30 May 2007 10:41:20 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/24/133000.php#comment-596254 Like you, SteveS, I picked up on that aspect of it right away. That's what clues me in that there's something rather more to all this than just a couple of kids offending some judge's Leftist-ACLU-leaning agenda. That, and that juvie records are sealed, so there's no way at this point to tell. In any event, I'd leave the judging at this point to the JUDGE; that's what he's there for, he has access to the details & prior records, & I/we do not. 596254@blogcritics.org Wed, 30 May 2007 10:32:17 EDT