http://blogcritics.org/ A sinister cabal of superior bloggers on music, books, film, popular culture, politics, and technology - updated continuously. en Copyright 2005-2007 by the authors Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:11:37 EDT http://backend.userland.com/rss Blogcritics.org custom software http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-642010 Angel, as the Comments Editor for this site, please accept my assurances that your assertion is entirely incorrect. There are no fake personae posting to this article. 642010@blogcritics.org Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:11:37 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641984 Oh, I forgot to add that I analyze handwritings of people. I'm an expert and I can pick out a psychopath very easily. I wont be back again. I have learned way too much from this blog. Chris, perhaps you might try to learn some of Michael D's excellent, good behavior and kindness, while you hangout on this blog. This is my last message. Bye guys! 641984@blogcritics.org Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:24:08 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641981 Chris, Nice stunt! You are making up people on this blog now. You are Felix and PK. I'm not going to listen to anymore rubbish or poppycock nonesence. Good day sir! Go cast stones at someone else if that is what floats your boat! Michael D, I would love to talk to you a bit more, but I cannot put up with the evil intent of Chris and his multiple personalities above on this blog. Thanks you, Michael for all your nice messages. Keep up your kindness with others, it works well. 641981@blogcritics.org Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:59:24 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641975 Angel, I will tell you how I now deal with life. I used to, as they say, get my panties in a bunch. I don't anymore. I am confident with my life and who I am. I try to learn something from everyone. I try to ignore barbs that are thrown at me. I always enjoy watching Cheers and listening to the theme song: "Where Everybody Knows Your Name" "Sometimes you want to go Where everybody knows your name, and they're always glad you came. You wanna be where you can see, our troubles are all the same You wanna be where everybody knows Your name". Felix likes to go somewhere where everyone knows his name. I was watching Monday Night Football the night that President Regan put his arm around John Lennon (Dating Myself) and explained American Football. Regan and Lennon could never agree on anything. That night they coexisted in peace. I think they both enjoyed the moment. It was caught on TV. There is a book I'm reading "DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF, and it's all small stuff. It has changed my life. Chris, I want you to get this book. Chris, did you find the "Black Mormon" website. "Genesis" also has a website. Can you contact "Genesis" and tell us what they say? 641975@blogcritics.org Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:17:16 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641974 Angel- What is your problem? Are you infallible? I suppose you must make mistakes just like every other human being. I thought this was a blog about the Mountain Meadows Massacre and I was disapointed to read down to the bottom of the page and see that it has morphed into some kind of religious debate. What ever it is that you think you are trying to say, I know what I have read. For an hour now I have been reading the blog and I find that your comments are amongst the most hostile. You falsly attacked and critized Chris without justification and resorted to some extremely childish insults and character assassinations. You didn't even have your facts strait. Didn't you accuse him of being a Fancher or something like that and of defaming your family without any indication that he was in fact doing so? You dished out some pretty vindictive comments back there. From what I read Chris was very polite through the majority of this blog. It was not until near the end of his comments that he became more combative. Even then I think most of what he said was in reply to the nasty comments of others such as yourself. The bulk of his comments were calm and unoffensive at least until he seems to have got tired of your antagonism. I'm really suprised that he stuck around this blog so long. Since you seem to know so much about morality why don't you examine your own words and attitude and tell everybody how well you think this reflects upon your faith. Do you feel that your comments and conduct here are a credit to your peers or would they be frowned upon. I don't know anything about Mormons but in my church, the Greek Orthodox Church, a person who behaved as you have would be called malicious and extremely prideful. You accuse Chris and others of attack but isn't that what you have been doing all along? You actually compared some of the people on this blog with Hitler and the Nazi's. You said: (#66 — September 16, 2007 @ 14:39PM — Angel) "This kind of reminds me of HITLER'S propaganda." I think Chris was right when he said that you clearly don't know what evil is if you so casually call those who disagree with you Nazi's. Apparently you believe that anyone who is still angry about the massacre or who thinks that church leaders was involved is out on some kind of crazy quest for bloody revenge. You said: (#66 — September 16, 2007 @ 14:39PM — Angel) "It looks to me as well that these descendants of the Mountain Meadow Massacre group are out for some Mormon blood of decendants who were involved in the MMM." How could say something so horrible? That was completely uncalled for. Interestingly enough that appears to have been perhaps your first comment. Calling people crazy, stupid, or hateful because they don't agree with you on the Mountain Meadows Massacre seems like a pretty unchristian attitude. I would characterize it as malicious and hateful. You also are really quick to call someone an anti-mormon. Does thinking that the church leadership was involved in the massacre mean that someone is an anti-mormon? If someone disagrees with anything that your church says and dares to say what they believe does that mean that they are anti-mormon? If you don't agree with me should I believe that you are out to get me? That is just ridiculous. Let me tell you a little bit about my ancestors. My fathers family is Greek and my mothers family is Armenian. Have you ever heard of the Armenian Holocaust? How about the Greek Holocaust? Over the course of a few decades the Turks murdered 15 million Armenian Christians. Over the course of three centuries they killed 20 million Greeks and other Christians in Asia Minor and Greece. In Constantinople which was arguably the center of the Christian world untold people were put to the sword when the Turks broke through the walls. That pretty much blows away the Jewish Holocaust now doesn't it? The worst of the Armenian Holocaust occurred during the First World War less than a century ago and the Turks will still not confess to this unimaginable attrocity. They actually deny that it ever happened in spite of the thousands of first hand accounts and a plethora photographs of Armenian cities, towns, and villages where every living soul was slaughtered! The Turks say that the Armenians who died fell victim to disease or even that they killed each other. It is infuriating to know that my ancestors were brutally murdered by these people and they will not even admit to what happened and apologize. I don't want to kill any Turkish people because of what their ancestors did. I want them to face the truth of what happened. People need justice. Without justice we are just animals. Giving the Armenian people justice would change the world for the Armenian people. We could finally move on and forgive. Someday the Armenian and Turkish people might even be able to develop a genuine friendship and spirit of cooperation. It is a terrible thing to carry around the hurt from something such as this. Angel, if you cannot understand that these people have a real hurt that it haunts them still to this day then you completely lack humility. Try to fathom what something like this feels like. You speak so violently towards those who allegedly persecuted your Mormon ancestors, why can't you understand the pain of these people. You slander them far too harshly when you attempt to call them mobbers or Nazi's. That is simply vile. Nobody wants to hurt the Mormon people! It sounds very much like Mormons themselves are still having trouble with the past if they feel this way. You are far too quick to judge people. You were not even addressing me and yet you managed to offend me. People who leave comments like Felix really don't need to be addressed. Most mature people simply ignore such comments. Your angry little come backs were full of venom and disdane. All you did was slander yourself and diminish your crediblity. However lowly his attacks were you seem to have had a far too easy a time descending down to his level. That makes me think that you and he are of a like feather. I truly feel embarraced for you. As you can see if you look at the other comments the more mature contributors abstained from such childish behavior. You should really try to learn from their example and attempt to conduct yourself with a bit more dignity. 641974@blogcritics.org Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:01:33 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641959 Just to clarify in case any objective readers are confused, both of my grandmothers were black. That means that I am 1/2 African American. BYE My maternal Grandmother was Jamaican and the paternal grandmother was and american black woman from Boston. 641959@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:43:54 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641849 It's quite interesting to see how some people beat their thick skulls against the bricks to try to prove a religion wrong, in which they have little knowledge of. Nobody cares! I certainly don't. If you don't like the Mormons than go preach your strange beliefs to someone who may want to listen to you. No one here is asking you for your unworthy advise on Mormonism, Mr. Chris/Felix almighty! Your concepts and belligerance against the Mormon faith is not phazing what I believe in.. whatsoever! Why are you wasting your precious time here if you are so rightous and believe we are all doomed to go to hell. Go use your EDUCATION for a better cause instead of setting around condeming others. 641849@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:44:00 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641832 Felix or Chris, Have you now become a God, to make such a judgment of others and their religion. Why do you choose to constanly slam Mormons. Don't you have something better going on in your life than to pursue this worthless cause of yours? You are bellligerent and trying to wage a useless war. I'm sorry for you. It's obvious who your true master is... Satan! 641832@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:53:05 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641819 The Truth hurts doesn't it? 641819@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:56:20 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641812 The only thing that is obvious is that Mormons worship a pychotic religion that was inspired and founded by non other than Lucifer himself. You are altogether deceived. The Bible warned us that in the end times there would be many "false prophets" and your Joseph Smith is one of them. He is an Apostate of Hell and his master is the Dragon himself. The Bible casts down your Mormon beliefs in so many places. What you believe is blasphemy. Tell me about your burning in the bossom. The Bible tells us that the human heart is altogether corupt and that it cannot be trusted. If you care for a theological debate then bring it on. Your false beliefs can't endure Bible Truth. My Bible has not been corrupted. The Bible says that the gospel is forever and will never be lost. Jesus established his Church for ALL TIME and like Chris said the gates of hades shall not prevail against it. That means that we didn't need the false prophet Joseph Smith to reestablish the priesthood. Only Jesus can hold the priesthood. I wish that Mormons would stop pretending to be Christian. Your religion has more in common with Islam or Buddhism than true Christianity. You slander God and Jesus Christ when you utter their names. 641812@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:52:03 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641809 Felix the Cat, the wonderful, wonderful cat. Whenever he gets in a fix he reaches into his bag of trick---lol! 641809@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:43:17 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641779 Felix, Can't you spell Jesus Christ? How rude of you. You need to quit mixing Jesus Christ up with that of Satan. It's obvious who you really whorship. Are you certain that you and Chris are not one of the same? I mean body tranformation or something. Satan has away of doing scary things like that. This definitely my last visit here. Maybe I will talk to Angel and Michael D on another blog. 641779@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:36:05 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641762 I don't know what planet FELIX the cat flew in from, but he needs to talk to Chris about nonsense. They have something in commom. Although if Felix feels a bit better about himself after spouting-off his mouth at Mormons, than let him do so. It doesn't hurt any of us. He seems to be the one hurting in side from his sudden outbursts of anger...only words. I often wonder what make some people go to such extremes to express themselves. However, I have to work for a living and haven't the time to talk to angry people. Michael D ...maybe you can communicate with these guys. You seem to be the only one here who has the patience to so. Good luck Bye now :)) 641762@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:50:16 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641702 Oh yeah, And just one more thing... I don't know what is worse...... Mormons or Jehovah's Witness. You are Apostates and Blasphemers. That is about the only thing that EVERY real Christian denomination can agree on. 641702@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:25:14 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641701 Oh yeah, I forgot to mention... Joseph Smith is a false prophet. According to the Bible if even one prophecy you make is false then you are a false prophet. Bro Jo and Brigham Young believed that there were people living on the moon who were tall, lived a thousand years, and dressed like Quakers. They even said that people lived on the sun!!!! Put up your Book of Mormon and get a copy of the Chronicles of Narnia. Its a better read, and closer to reality than that waste of paper you guys pack around. What a sad fate for a tree. I sure am glad you guys are mostly in Utah. The next time mormon missionaries knock on my door at 9am on a saturday I'm gonna turn the hose on them. 641701@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:20:51 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641699 Oooops!!! Looks like I stumbled into a blog full of angry hateful Mormons (as if there was any other kind). You guys are out of your minds. Must be great to live life completely out of touch with reality. Enjoy Hell!!!! Oh, and don't wait up for me, I won't be going. I got the Bible and JC!!! 641699@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:09:25 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641694 Chris, I think you need to re-read the blog messages, and see where you are coming from. You can't expect everyone to see only your view of things. Everyone has a right to his or her beliefs. So let it be. We are all Gods children (BLACK or WHITE) no matter what faith we belong to. Black is a good race of people. However try doing good for your people by showing kindness towards others. 641694@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:49:29 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641686 I'm real sorry for being black Angel. Believe it or not I was born that way. Do something for my "people"? There you go again. You just get it and you probably never will. I am a human being and an American. I am responsible for my own path in life and my actions do not reflect anybody but myself. "You people" kind of talk is about all "you people" seem to be capable of. Have you noticed that I am the only person left on this blog to speak for the opposition? That's because everybody else has realized that nothing can get through to you. You and those like you on this blog have literally run off everybody who doesn't echo your views like a parrott. You seem to have completely abandoned reason. You also keep using the word "hate" and pretty generally throw it around like some kind of malicious club. I wouldn't know about that. You see I have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and that doesn't leave much room for things like hate. I feel such a terrible sense of pity for you and those like you because you live in such a small world. This is my last comment on this blog as I will not return to it again. I'll leave you now so that you guys can keep ranting and pretending to be champions of truth and justice. All you've managed to do is alienate more people and create more of those you call "anti-mormons". Good work. 641686@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:52:30 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641682 Chris, One more thing, the Mormon church will go on with or without people like you. So perhaps you need to go find some other religion to slander. I'm happy that you have joined the born again whatevers! From what I can read here it hasn't done you much good. Again, sorry to continally disturb your on going nightmare. Bye Bye now :(( 641682@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:40:33 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641676 Yep, you are Chris alright. I see that you are still very hostile with words used for everyone in this blog. Sorry, that life has been so terribly bad for you. However, it would be helpful to us all if You might try to give up the hateful remarks, and perhaps find something better to do with your education. You are the reason I left this blog once before. It looks likes things haven't changed much. How does Michael D put up with you, I will never know. He is a nice guy just trying to express his views to you and you always come back with harsh, strong and cold words. I think you are one of the most antagonistic people I have ever come across. You oppose much of everything people say to you. It's too bad that you are black, because you act more like some very mean, bad, and hateful white people that I have known. Why don't you do good for your race instead of dishonoring them with so much hate. I have never used the word (nigger) that you so freely use, so don't impose your ignorance onto me. Sorry, to intrude into your nightmare. have a nice evening!! 641676@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:24:46 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641675 Chris, Oh my gosh. Google the following: Genesis, black, Mormon. You will find there is a "Black Mormon Page". This guy is interesting: Elijah Abel (1810-1882): adopted brother of Joseph Smith and Mormon Seventy Apostle 641675@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:23:40 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641661 Whats the matter Angel? Do you want to make sure I'm black before you call a nigger? Yes I am black, and I've had to put up with people like you all my life. What's the matter? Is my vocabulary just a little too good to come from a poe big lipped black man? Or maybe Its because I havn't spelled the word "who" H-O-O. Maybe it's because my father is a well known Biochemist and a member of Mensa and because I went to college without an atheletic scholarship? Choose your words a little more carefully. 641661@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:33:19 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641657 You know what guys? I don't know why I have bothered with this blog. This has got to be one of the most unrewarding experiences of my life. In fact I'm going to hang it up for good. If any body actually wants to see the the church documentation I spoke of then I chech back on the blog in a day or two and and post them with the annotations so you can't call me a liar. And one more thing. All you people are so quick to call someone an anti-mormon. It's so easy for you. That is completely sick. Until I stumbled upon this blog I never thought much about Mormons. Believe me, I have PLENTY of other things more pressing to concern myself with than your little religion. If I am an anti-mormon than it has been your attitudes and hostility that more than anything have made me think this way, and that is really sad. I wish that just for a moment you could see how the rest of the world perceives you. Believe me, there is a whole other world out there. We get up in the morning and go to work just like you do. There are almost 7 billion people on this Earth who are not Mormons. We are no going anywhere. You really need to think about the way you choose to interact with the rest of us and start to examine your own words and actions a bit more. You are so hostile to anybody that challenges the Mormon belief system and call those that do challenge it anti-mormon's, but yet your entire religion is based upon the precept that all other faiths that call themselves "Christian" are wrong and apostolic. The very foundation of LDS beliefs is that we all are heathens!!!! Why then do you get angry when Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, or anybody else turns that same finger back on you? I think the last time I ran into an LDS missionary was last year, and he and his companion explained to me that everything I believed was a lie. How can you actually dare to claim some kind of moral high ground and accuse me or anyone else who dares to criticize you of hate? The founding principles of religion IS AN ATTACK on my faith. Well, I'd like to say its been fun but it hasn't. There is no reasoning with you people. I'll get out of here then and let you call someone else a hater or antimormon for daring to speak about those things you find so unthinkable. Thanks a bunch for helping me to become a "born again" anti-mormon. If you guys can do this just over a blog then you'll destroy yourselves in no time. I think the best thing someone called me on this site was a "mobber". LOL!!! I don't think I'll ever get over or stop laughing after that one. PEACE 641657@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:19:11 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641656 Looks like everyone is still on this blog. I haven't been here for awhile , but the weather is stormy tonight here in Utah, and here I set reading blogs. It's nice to see that there are some of the same people still on this blog from last month. Jasmine, are you still there? You do sound like a very nice person to talk too. I like black people very much. I once mentioned to Chris in a blog once a few weeks ago that I descended down through one of the signers of the declaration of independence. Our family owned plantations and there were many slaves which I have always detestested completely. I have a great love for the black people and for what they suffered so terribly from my ancestors. My family had a special black lady who crossed the plains on trek to Utah with the Mormons. She will never be forgotten. She was a wonderful person. She taught my ggg grandmother many things like survival after my ggg grandmother was disinherited for joining the Mormon church. Chris, I have a diifficult time believing you are black. Are you still being a brat? 641656@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:11:06 EDT http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/04/131317.php#comment-641648 Gosh, Jasmine. I don't know what to say. I unintentionally addressed you in my last message. If you had looked at my most recent comment which I posted just after the first message you would have seen that I did this in error. I was infact addressing Michael D. I did not call you or Michael D a rascist. I merely pointed out that up until the church changed it did in fact teach that people of color LIKE MYSELF were unclean. Joseph Smith did actually teach that as did Brigham Young and many other later prophets of the LDS church. If you don't believe me I can point you to those writings where they make themselves perfectly clear in this matter. Church doctrine states that dark skinned peoples are dark because of the sinful nature of their ancestors. If you believe that then I can only hope and pray that someday you join the 21st century with the rest of us. People of color are darked skin because they are indiginous to the equatorial regions of the earth where there is much more direct sunlight. A little extra pigment in the skin can help out a whole lot in the Earths warmer climates such as in Africa or India. The church also teaches that Caucasians are white skinned because of their virtue. Whites are infact light skinned because of the northern latitudes in which they made their homes. Doctrine states that Jews of the Bible were white skinned. Anybody who knows anything knows that this is a lie. Jesus himself wasn't white but a dark skinned man who would have looked more like Osama Bin Laden than the milky white brown haired blue eyed man that the Mormons and so many other people imagine Jesus to have been. Jesus wouldn't even have had a beard and he certainly wouldn't have had long hair. In classical 1st century Judaism only married men grew beards and it was considered a sin for a man to have long hair. The Jesus you probably think about is the Renaisance Jesus that was modeled upon the social norms of that day and as a result had long hair a bushy beard and white milky skin. If you don't believe what I am saying about church doctrine than I would be more than happy to direct you to Joseph Smith's own writings where he clearly spells out his rascist doctrine. Brigham Young was even worse. I can show you!!! Are you afraid to see? Participating on this blog has prompted me to learn more about Mormons and their beliefs. I've been reading not from what you people like to call "antimormon" sources but directly from the LDS Church itself. One funny thing that I've discovered is that modern day Mormons profess the belief that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, but yet it seems like the church has abandoned a great deal of his teachings. Don't you find this strange? Why are some of his teachings retained and others abandoned. If Joseph Smith was a prophet of God then what he taught must have been true. The church has abandoned many of Smiths teachings so does that mean that they are not true anymore? Can the truth stop being the truth? Can you adequately answer this question? Oh, and by the way Michael D, Jesus did not bring Christianity only to the Jews. He said that He brought the Gospel for the ALL NATIONS. And his Church did not disapear from the Earth like Mormons claim. Jesus himself said that he was establishing his Kingdom and that the "gates of Hades would not prevail against it". I guess that pretty much smashes that doctrine doesn't it? 641648@blogcritics.org Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:44:03 EDT