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Comment by moonraven on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:16:08 EDT

What makes you think Genghis was a right-winger?

Comment by STM on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:04:07 EDT

Nah, that had the names and addresses of all the good sorts he'd met. Originally, it had been black but after the bloody sacking of various cities, it became red.

Comment by Clavos on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:41:19 EDT

So THAT'S why he always carried that little red book in his pack...

Comment by STM on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:39:03 EDT

Mate, seriously, Attila was a liberal ... you only have to look at his employment policies. Basically, it said: Whatever booty you get from raping and pillaging, it has to be evenly distributed among ALL the huns.

Comment by Clavos on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:36:27 EDT

I used to be a follower of Genghis, but he lost me with that spending habit of his. And when he came out in favor of gun control, that was it, I switched and went over to Attila.

Comment by STM on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:19:13 EDT

And I'll add to that: it also isn't about so-called "liberalism" (an outdated concept anyway), although some to-the-right-of-Genghis-Khan commentators who don't know any better might choose to see it that way.

Comment by STM on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 23:13:39 EDT

Charles, ostrich-like, writes: "You can talk all you want about wealth inequality, but realize we currently live in a welfare state. Our government taxes those who earn money in order to provide for those who dont" If you think America is a welfare state, you have another think coming. Of all of today's great western democracies, it is the one most concerned with the idea of every man for himself and the one with least concerns about the benefit of what I prefer to call "community" ... and the notion of community, of having at least some concern for the wellbeing of your fellow man, has very little to do with socialism and welfare states. Also, I've been dying to ask: are you Charles Signorile and is your name fair-dinkum, or made up?

Comment by Charles on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:50:59 EDT

You can talk all you want about wealth inequality, but realize we currently live in a welfare state. Our government taxes those who earn money in order to provide for those who dont. Is it possible the reason the income gap between the rich and the poor has widened is because our Government offers handouts to those who cannot, or do not earn for themselves? You speak of tax cuts for the rich, however you fail to realize that the "rich" people already carry the largest tax burden, while at the same time supply the majority of the jobs. Over 25% of Americans do not pay taxes because their income levels are too low. Those same people recieve benefits from our Government, who pays for those benefits? I for one am all for a political revolution, but not in the sense you refer to. I would like to see the Welfare State we live in disappear. The more you reward people for not earning their keep, the more you will see people not earning their keep. The New Deal was a bad deal!

Comment by Clavos on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:43:29 EDT

Les, I too, think you're pretty gutsy and wish you lots of luck. Re the welfare thing: that's bliffle's idea of a joke, because as a patient there, I have been defending the VA recently on other threads. Actually, though I took early retirement from the airline industry several years ago, I'm self employed and still actively working, though not full time, as I'm also my paraplegic wife's primary caregiver. Anyway, I'm not really on welfare.

Comment by Les Slater on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:32:04 EDT

Dave, Thanks for the kind sentiments. Don't worry, I won't be a stooge for anyone. I plan to lead. Les

Comment by Dave Nalle on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:17:59 EDT

Brave move, Les. At that age I'd feel pretty leery about retiring on so little, though I imagine it goes farther in Detroit than it does down here. I hope that if you go into politics full time you'll become an advocate for the people and not just another stooge of the institutionalized left which is so powerful up there. Dave

Comment by Les Slater on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:34:36 EDT

Clavos, This past year I got tired of doing the electronic engineer thing and opted for an early retirement (63) from social security. I get $1,606 per month plus I have a pension from GE where I worked a couple of years, $123.17 per month, total $1,729.17 per month, no other income. I got an apartment in Detroit and plan on doing politics full time. Welfare and retirement should be enough to live comfortably on. The main thing is to make jobs available. I will not have to work. I would if I thought I could be useful to society. I'm sure you would too. Les

Comment by Clavos on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:27:17 EDT

Oh. Well, in that case, I'll stick with capitalism, thank you.

Comment by Dave Nalle on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:23:35 EDT

The state will support you in the style to which illegal immigrants are currently accustomed. Dave

Comment by Clavos on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:12:02 EDT

So what happens to us welfare deadbeats under Communism? Do we have to go to work? Or will the state continue to support me?

Comment by Les Slater on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:48:38 EDT

"What's wrong with Marxism?" What can be wrong with Marxism? "The theoretical conclusions of the Communists are in no way based on ideas or principles that have been invented, or discovered, by this or that would-be universal reformer. "They merely express, in general terms, actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a historical movement going on under our very eyes. The abolition of existing property relations is not at all a distinctive feature of communism." Karl Marx, Freddy Engels - Communist Manifesto.

Comment by Clavos on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:12:32 EDT

So, Clavos is not only a welfare deadbeat, but also against Our Troops! I AM against the troops, scooter. I'm against the troops...being there. What's wrong with Marxism?

Comment by bliffle on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:00:16 EDT

So, Clavos is not only a welfare deadbeat, but also against Our Troops! I suppose that next we will find out he is a marxist.

Comment by Clavos on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:27:47 EDT

emmy writes: The main difference between the two being, of course, that Clavos has actually backed up his words with...er...oops...never mind. Which gave me a chuckle. But, in any case, I don't support the war, which bliffthuselah hasn't noticed.

Comment by Christopher Rose on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:02:12 EDT

Thanks, Emmy.

Comment by MCH on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:58:15 EDT

"All the brave talk of guys like Nalle and clavos will disappear like a puff of smoke." The main difference between the two being, of course, that Clavos has actually backed up his words with...er...oops...never mind. Just remembered the "MCH Exception." Never mind.

Comment by Clavos on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:15:56 EDT

The only succor for the post-bush anti-bush folks will be the hope that deadbeat veterans like Clavos get their luxurious VA benefits cut off first. And a vain hope it is, Blifthuselah. If anything in this country is sacred, it's us vets. So keep paying your taxes, bliffy; I want to buy a Bentley this year.

Comment by bliffle on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:07:44 EDT

Right. Eventually US citizens will be so revolted by the wave of corruption, greed and selfishness that the Bush Gang have indulged that the democrats will be able to walk into office. But they'll find a big mess that they are unable to solve. The reps have front-loaded their takeouts while back-loading the payouts. That is, they've already gotten their money in the form of campaign contributions, bribes, and brokerage deals. So they've arranged to SPEND trillions while postponing paying for their excesses. That's for future generations, not them. It'll be hard to raise taxes, especially since the New Wealthy have exported their assets to other economies or denominated them in currencies that will appreciate as the dollar crumbles under the burden of debt and the Big Bank Run as other countries abandon. They would have to raise taxes on the future generations of impoverished americans. So all they can do is cut spending, which the Bush gang was too cowardly to actually do. So where can they cut? The expensive war will be over and the money spent already, no chance there. So the only hope is to cut periodic expenditures, daily expenses, daily payouts. And since contract payouts to corporations are considered sacred, the only choice will be to cut entitlement payouts to citizens: they are 'soft' recipients, while corps are 'hard' recipients. So every form of people payout (social security, medicare, etc.) will be looted to allow our decrepit government to continue paying out on old no-bid contracts from the Idiotic Iraq Invasion. The guys who lost the US economy will continue to get theirs while the suckers who voted for them will continue to lose money from funds that they front-loaded with cash, like social security. Bush already spent the money. The average US Sucker/Citizen won't have enough money left to buy a quart of gas and an empty wine bottle to start a revolution. All the brave talk of guys like Nalle and clavos will disappear like a puff of smoke. The only succor for the post-bush anti-bush folks will be the hope that deadbeat veterans like Clavos get their luxurious VA benefits cut off first.

Comment by moonraven on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:07:05 EDT

Clavos, when did you teach or present this topic to universities and get paid for it? You folks are living in a dream world because you think you are getting a share of the pie when you are not even getting crumbs. Maybe it's time to trot out my in bad taste very probably apocryphal story about Hitler's saying that after the application of The Final Solution that there would only be enough Jews left at the end of the Final Solution to ride in one limo through the streets of Berlin.... And the punch line is, when the Jewish person who told me the story was asked why the Jews did not resist more: EVERYBODY THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE IN THE LIMO. If you are not completely insane, you will be able to get my point that you guys should be resisting instead of dreaming of being on the Forbes List.

Comment by Les Slater on From Economic Apartheid to Political Revolution

Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:00:56 EDT

"When will the stranglehold of the Upper Class on the political system that criminally distorts the economic system be busted? When will Lower Class consumers that drive the economy take back their sovereign power? When will they understand they are losing the class war and revolt?" Soon. The consumer part of it is not the most inportant even though very important. It is the workers that make the products that are consumed that are the most important. We are getting screwed and will start taking action to rectify the situation.