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Comment by July on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:04:47 EDT

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:07:59 EDT

Zedd, Also it's good to preview your comments. I thought I had, but my comment above is an obvious testament to my lack of care in that regard. Well, I just wanted to make sure that you knew the message was addressed to you so I named you twice. You believe that, of course. Don't you? Baritone

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:08:05 EDT

Zedd, Well, I don't think I'm demented. Zedd, Misspellings and misuse of the language reduce the credibility of your comments. Dictionaries are cheap and easy to obtain. It is also easy to check spelling on line. I use them all the time. It only takes a few seconds to check a word. Just some advice from one deep son of a bitch. Baritone

Comment by Zedd on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:07:30 EDT

Baritone, That is perfectly fine. Some people are literal and see only the surface and others see things with more demention and tend to seek even more depth.

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:37:58 EDT

Tis true.

Comment by Clavos on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:51:55 EDT

A fine fellow, old Will...

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:27:43 EDT

"That he's mad, 'tis true, 'tis true 'tis pity, And pity 'tis 'tis true." The Shake Man - Hamlet (II, ii, 97-98)

Comment by Clavos on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:37:36 EDT

Baritone writes: You are obviously secure in your beliefs, whatever they may be. "Yet ah! Why should they know their fate, Since sorrow never comes too late, And happiness too swiftly flies? Thought would destroy their paradise. No more; where ignorance is bliss, 'Tis folly to be wise." Thomas Gray, 1742

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:24:21 EDT

Zedd, I'm sorry if I misapprehended your post. It just wasn't intelligible. But that's okay. You are obviously secure in your beliefs, whatever they may be. Baritone

Comment by Christopher Rose on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:38:52 EDT

Zedd, Dream on, sister...

Comment by Zedd on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:55:36 EDT

Chris Christians (whom you are named from) don't study the Koran or the Torah. They study the Bible. Christ is a biblical figure, the central figure in Christianity. The principals that govern Christians come from the Bible, hence the biblical reference. Are we all caught up now? My apologies. I didn't think that I would have to make that connection. Its sort of implied(??????) Please cease with the simplistic explanations. Your incessant persistence in trying to appear superior to me intellectually suggests that perhaps I bruised your ego at some point. For that I apologies. You may stop now.

Comment by Zedd on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:46:28 EDT

Baritone You are right, you really don't get my post. I'll catch you next time bud.

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:03:41 EDT

Zedd, I don't comprehend your argument. What I'm talking about is a constitutional ammendment against same sex marriage. I'm not suggesting that everyone must like same sex unions. That is a matter of choice. My biblical illustrations were simply to make a point regarding how ludicrous many of the bible's "thou shalt nots" are. I assume you are not gay. I also assume you don't approve of the gay life style. That is your choice. However, it is not everyone's choice. The fact that some choose to follow their hereditary predispositions or their hearts to love, and yes, have sex with others of the same gender is, frankly none of your business. Nor should it be the government's. A same sex union does no sacrilege to the institution of marriage. It is simply symbolic of two people declaring their committment to each other just as it is with the more traditional one man, one woman pairings. Keep in mind that lesbians and gays are, for the most part unexceptional people. Excepting for their sexual orientation most live just as the majority of heterosexuals do. They have jobs and careers, they own property, they go to church, they are active in their communities, they buy stuff, they pay their bills, AND they pay taxes. They pay taxes to a government from which they should be able to expect the same rights and protections that all other citizens expect. That American governments at both the state and federal levels have enacted or are considering legislation that would in effect single out gays and lesbians, intruding into their private lives and limiting their right to form a legal union is tantamount to betrayal. Also, such laws and amendments are in fact government sponsorship of a religious agenda a contravention of the US Constitution. Obviously, atheists and agnostics do not look to the bible for guidance in this matter. I assume that there are some atheists and agnostics who do not support same sex unions for whatever reasons. Also, I am pretty sure that there are christians who do support such unions. I'm not sure I understand your point about bad drivers. Poor drivers represent a very real danger to others. A moving two ton vehicle can be a dangerous weapon with a loose nut behind the wheel. What "danger" do lesbian and gay couples pose to any community? None. None at all. Baritone

Comment by Christopher Rose on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:10:47 EDT

Zedd, Baritone didn't mention the bible in his comment and fornicate simply means having sex without being married. Oh, and it's "lose" not "loose". apart from those points your comment was entirely lucid. This is a reality based public service announcement...

Comment by Zedd on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:05:18 EDT

Baritone Using the bible as justification for same gender union is a bad idea. Having sexual relations with a person of the same gender is prohibited according to the bible. Its impossible to fornicate if you engage in homosexual relations. You are not supposed to have relations in the first place, according to the bible. Also, I don't know of any Christians that support adultery and fornication. The fact that it happens is not an indication that it is promoted. Neither Christians nor non Christians would say that they support adultery. I don't think that it is respected because of religion. Neither do I think that the idea of homosexual marriage is disliked by Christians or religious people only. Also the fact that there are bad drivers doesn't mean that we should loose respect for driving laws. Because some (very few) people don't take their weddings or even marriages seriously doesn't mean that we should loose respect for marriage. Bad argument.

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Mon, 9 Apr 2007 02:46:06 EDT

Magusjinx, Do remember that a # of same sex couples are either having children by various means and/or are adopting. I think your comment was meant to be funny, and I appreciated the humor, but owing to the above among other reasons, gays and lesbians do have a deeply vested interest in the success or failure of these proposed amendments. It is my point exactly, that it should be no one's concern what particular gender mix makes up a "couple." Life can be a pretty lonely affair for people legally hindered in their ability to reach out to whomever they choose. Baritone

Comment by magusjinx on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:25:47 EDT

I don't see why people are afraid of gay and lesbian unions ... They should only last one generation right? ... As for me ... I think that if two spirits want to be together then who can say no? ... Does it really matter what body they are housed in? ...

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:04:23 EDT

Clavos, Sorry, somehow I published the above comment twice. I just read the article seeing that the impetus for it was, in fact the film I noted above. It is very intense and a # of the means used by the Stasi to spy on their citizens mentioned in the article are used in the film. Baritone

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:01:05 EDT

Clavos, I will check that article out. My son lives in Germany. There remains both a fear and loathing of the Stasi and its informants of whom there were many. Also, the movie that won an Oscar for best foreign language film, The Lives of Others concerns people living under the thumb of the Stasi in the former East Germany. It is very good, if you don't mind sub-titles. Baritone

Comment by Clavos on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:22:28 EDT

Again, I contend that personal relationships are none of the government's business. Quoted for truth. There is an interesting syndicated op-ed piece by Trudy Rubin published in today's The Miami Herald that talks about the Stasi Museum in Berlin, "...a two story building that exhibits the tools that East Germany's secret police used to spy on most of its citizens' lives." It's a good read, and graphic in its descriptions of what life is like when a government does intrude and spy on people's lives.

Comment by Christopher Rose on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:51:50 EDT

Oddly, and it's not an original thought, but the worst thing we have to fear is fear itself. JOM obviously has an issue or two he needs to come to terms with, not least his pseudo-fascist desire to repress all dissenting thought. That's not the attitude that made the USA what it is today.

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:35:32 EDT

CR, Fear, anger and lashing out unfortunately account for a great deal of human behaviour. Collectively, we are often fearful which makes us angry, and we tend to lash out when angered. There is a lot to fear in this world as we all know. Gays and lesbians should not be included in that mix, however. There is nothing immoral or amoral about homosexuality. Fundamentalists and right wing politicos demonize gays and lesbians, targeting them to galvanize the uninformed into a voting block which will, by and large march in lock step behind the conservative banner. Carl Rove made hay with this ignorance and hate. The continued success of the anti-same sex union laws and constitutional amendments at the state level (the recent failure here in Indiana notwithstanding) will, perhaps ultimately have the effect of promulgating a federal constitutional ban. Should that occur, it may serve as a tipping point beyond which other such laws further limiting personal freedom can gain momentum. It is, as they say, a slippery slope. Just as with prohibition, it could take years to get beyond the darkness of fear and loathing and get back to some level of enlightenment. Again, I contend that personal relationships are none of the government's business. As to my joust with JOM, I am not particularly pleased with myself on that one. However, it's been my observation, albiet brief, that JOM does not mince words and is often personally confrontational and vulgar. Sadly, I fell into that little trap. There are obviously some good minds and good writers here at BC who engage in a high level of discourse and debate. However, there is also a current of rather low level name calling and back stabbing which adds little or nothing to any subject at hand. I will endeavor to stay above that current in the future. Baritone

Comment by Christopher Rose on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:25:02 EDT

Baritone, as I am that "big brother", I appreciate your understanding. I wish my role wasn't necessary, but then I also wish that people could abandon the childish insecurity that makes them lash out at each other in fear and anger.

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:50:13 EDT

I was wondering if any of our overseers would step in and stop the carnage. You will note that the last 2 comments above were deleted. They amounted to shitty personal attacks - one by JOM and one by myself directed at each other. While I can't say that I am thrilled at having "big brother" making such decisions, I am not particularly pleased with myself either. There are, unfortunately, a number of rather small minded, mean spirited individuals who try their best to make the world a shitty place to live. Life is tough enough without the nasty banter in which I allowed myself to take part. I can't speak for others, but in the future I will either refrain from making such comments, or make none at all. More relevant to the posted subject, the same sex union amendment is not altogether dead. There are a few die hards attempting to find a loophole into which they can thrust this issue to revive it in the current session. Again, I think its unfortunate that none of the legislators who voted against the amendment did so owing to any support for same sex unions. The tenor of many of the comments herein, even to the exclusion of the name calling, indicates to me that there remains a great deal of ignorance and general homophobia. The enactment of constitutional amendments against same sex unions - whether at the state or federal level - represent a step backwards in governance. First, it is a breach of the division between church and state. Second, such amendments target a particular group and limits their personal freedom. This is not the direction in which legislation should be moving. It should not be the business of government to inject itself into the sphere of personal relationships. Such laws represent a further chipping away at our personal freedoms. Where might it end? Additionally, I have never quite understood just how same sex unions present any kind of danger to the supposedly hallowed institution of marriage. As I see it, the issue is in effect a loss leader, used in a larger, more comprehensive attack against gays and lesbians and their supporters who are overwhelmingly on the left of the political spectrum. Again, it is not faith based, it is hate based. Baritone

Comment by Baritone on Indiana Legislature Targets Same Sex Unions

Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:31:39 EDT

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