Blogcritics Comments on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Comment by duane on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:53:56 EST

Brandon (#8) says: If the resurrection is true, there needs to be a massive reformation of scientific theory in today's world. OK, like what fer instance? (That's a pretty big "if" by the way.) It kind of makes you wonder, what hidden agenda do skeptics truly have?? What does '??' signify? Just curious. Anyway, it doesn't make me wonder about agendas. Skepticism is not a symptom of any underlying cause. It is a stand alone frame of mind.

Comment by Brandon Marone on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:44:20 EST

Victor Stenger has yet another major fallacy in this book. He makes the dubious attempt to be a historian, when, in fact, he is not. He makes several fatal historical errors in doing so. For example, his claim that there are no extra-biblical records of the darkness at crucifixion taking place. WRONG. There are, in fact, at least two records of such an event. Julius Africanus's quote on Thallus and Tertullian's corroboration. Stenger also makes dubious use of the King James Bible when discussing the dragons in a city. First, the KJV Bible has already been shown to be highly suspect in its translations from the earlier texts. The modern translations have been shown to be MUCH more accurate in their translations. Second, he sets up the usual straw-man arguments by taking Old Testament scripture at face value. The resurrection of Jesus Christ is a massive hurdle for skeptics. It simply cannot be overcome. If the resurrection is true, there needs to be a massive reformation of scientific theory in today's world. It kind of makes you wonder, what hidden agenda do skeptics truly have??

Comment by JR on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:39 EST

Without a formal system, how would you prove anything? By making an assertion and repeating it incessantly and insistently?

Comment by Christopher Rose on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:27:32 EST

RUVY: Yet again you allow your lack of reason to turn things upside down. I'm not an atheist, I don't have a dogma and I'm not an absolutist. Furthermore, it's you that is making the assertions without a single shred of evidence to back them up. I don't need anything except the refusal to believe your wild and improbable claims, which are entirely unsubstantiated. My view is entirely supported by the absence of evidence to contradict it. JR: Fascinating as G�del's Incompleteness Theorems may be, I don't see how they are relevant in the context of my discussion with Ruvy. Your link was not really helpful so feel free to refer to the two I included above.

Comment by JR on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:16:42 EST

Christopher Rose: Wrong again, Ruvy. It's impossible to prove anything that isn't true. Conversely, it's easy to prove true things. Not all true things can be proven. That's actually has been proven.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:38:26 EST

"Wrong again, Ruvy. It's impossible to prove anything that isn't true. Conversely, it's easy to prove true things. ..... The plain truth is there is no god at all." Here we see the mark of the atheistic dogmatic absolutist. Empty assertions with no ability to prove them.

Comment by Tim Gebhart on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:23:15 EST

A British blogger who is into flow sheets has graphically summarized what Christopher and Stenger are saying.

Comment by Christopher Rose on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:44:38 EST

Wrong again, Ruvy. It's impossible to prove anything that isn't true. Conversely, it's easy to prove true things. You say it's impossible to prove the existence of god via hypothesis, a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations. Your empty assertion that one gets to god via faith is just faithist doublespeak that means nothing. The plain truth is there is no god at all. Your next false trick is to imply that non-believers are dogmatic absolutists is another lie that is designed to imply there is something fundamentally wrong with the approach I espouse. Sadly, you are the one that can not and, indeed, will not, accept any truth that flies in the face of your dogma. I however stand ready to recant at the first sign that I am wrong. Such simple human humility seems way beyond you and has lead you into an area of entirely dubious pseudo-intellectual constructs as you try desperately to maintain the illusion to which you cling so maniacally. What a pity and a waste of a good (secular) soul.

Comment by Ruvy in Jerusalem on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:44:25 EST

It is just impossible to prove G-d via a hypothesis. A working hypothesis is as far as one can get in the attempt. One does not get to G-d without faith, or more specifically, trust. Therefore proving the hypothesis that G-d exists must fail. The allegation that none of the prophecies of the Tana"kh have occurred is open to debate. The author is a physicist, not a historian. His history, such as it is, deals with billions of years before the first sentient creature on this planet stirred. One can discover, as many scientists already have, that the universe has many aspects of Mind. But from a scientific point of view, one can only speculate as to the source of the Mind. That is as far as one can go within the discipline of science. Of course atheists have dogmatic absolutists among them, just as theists do, as we have already seen in comments made above.

Comment by Natalie Bennett on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:59:04 EST

This article has been selected for syndication to Advance.net, which is affiliated with newspapers around the United States. Nice work!

Comment by john connore on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:47:28 EST

Yo Harry, take a chill. The most intelligent people in the world are atheist, if you don't believe that then do a little research. You spew hatred, just like your religious extremist. After six yrs. of born again Bush, who was told by god to invade Iraq and simultaneously ruined this country, maybe it's time folks like you started to expand their mind and deal with reality. By the way which one of 5000 gods do you advocate.

Comment by Christopher Rose on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:19:25 EST

Harry: You appear to be letting your blind faith get the better of you. The authors Harris and Dawkins are making serious points that they believe important - and without resorting to either the worryingly fractured thinking you seem to espouse or the extremely rude way you go about it. There's nothing evil or malignant in believing that the gods of olden times don't actually exist, nor does it rule out a genuine reverence for the universal wonder of existence, a secular miracle if you like. If religion is false, then these people do all humanity a great service as we seek to deepen and enhance our understanding. As to hypocrisy, that's a very human condition to which nobody is immune. Maybe we should stop getting so uptight about it..?

Comment by Harry on The Atheist Manifestos IV: God - The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger

Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:21:54 EST

Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are intollerant pie-holes who preach hate. Read their books and I suggest borrowing it from the library instead of lining their pockets with your hard-earned cash. Sam Harris' claims of good torture and good war is freakin ridiculous. He even goes on to be descriptive by saying it is "good" torture to smear pre-menstrual blood on muslims. WTF!?! Richard Dawkins is a money grabbing hate-mongerer. "Religions are viruses" and we need to de-religionalize people. What type of brainwashing is this jack ass endorsing. The next thing he'll reccommend is liquidating jews, retards, and homos. What a nice new religion this atheism has become... oh wait its been around for a while now endorsed by every crazy dictator around. Seriously, WTF!?! I'm not speaking of behalf of all people who read this junk, I am only a source of information that has noticed the hypocrisies in these atheists messiahs. I bought these books to gain a better understanding of atheism and to gain respect for this idea. What I took away from it is a spiteful hateful piece of literature meant to degrade religions on a whole. Stenger's book sounds good and I am keen on reading this as well, I just hope he provides more intelligent and less discriminatory messages in his work.