I never got into the graphic novels. But did enjoy Frank Miller's Sin City. This one looks like something I would like to see. The sheer beauty of it.
Donna A.

Donna, prepare to be dazzled.

I'm looking forward to this movie for many reasons. I love the time period in history and this particular story. I'm further a fan of graphic novels and the impact they've had on getting my students to read. And I've long thought Gerard Butler should be much more of a "star" than he is. I'm especially happy to see Butler may just get the credit he has deserved for his skills as a performer. So far he's been a well kept secret pigeon holed as a brooding pretty boy and just hasn't seemed to be able to catch his big break. I hope 300 opens the door for him.

jae, I think you will find in 300 Butler kicks the door down

This sound really interesting.

I too love the feel (and story) of Sin City. I have always been a QT and RR fan. My first real exposure to Frank Miller was through Sin City via RR's directing.

I am going to have to check it out. Thanks for the review!

"Brothers and sisters, lend me your eyes so I may share with you the tale of brave Leonidas I, King of Sparta, son of King Anaxandridas II, descendant of Heracles, who led 300 Spartan warriors against the seemingly unending forces of Emperor Xerxes of Persia at The Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC."

Wow, what a very nice run-on sentence.

Daryl - don't be like that. It's much more mature to keep the comments related to the movie, don't you think?

It's also a pretty darn cool sentence. And El Bicho really is a spartan king, so watch your ass.

Excellent, thanks for the history lesson Mary! I'm not really into sword and sandal epics, but when it's born from the mind of Frank Miller, well that makes for an enticing prospect.

And Daryl, take your adolescent immaturity elsewhere.

No, don't thank me Sir Aaron. El B provided us with this lesson. Oh, and yikes - I never actually said that I enjoyed this post.

Well I did, and the movie looks totally intriguing.

Oh, yeah, my mistake. Kudos to you El Bicho!

Wow! One word says it all! When I first saw the ads, I thought, "cool graphics, medieval-like war flick, hope it has a plot". Then I read the review by El Bicho, and I was riveted. I then exhaled. What I had perceived was surmounted by the prospect of really REALLY great music, and I LOVE historical epics! March 9th is branded on my calender.

Hope to see you back here on the 10th to tell us what you thought, Kera.

This movie kicks so much ass on so many levels. I watched it tonight and can't wait to post my review.

this movie is another piece of history americanized to put down the east. im sure most of the things potrayed in this movie are not true or have been twisted to make greeks look good.

I don't see how the East was put down only Xerxes, but if you would like to provide some evidence that he would have been a benevolent dictator when he took over Greece against the people's will, I'm all eyes.

I saw an advanced screening of 300 - MAN 'O MAN - This is the best movie I have ever seen!!!
Do yourself a favor and catch this flick on the big-screen!!

Hey, for those that saw the movie, what is the nudity in there?

There's a sex scene with Leonidas and his wife before he goes to battle, and then you see a naked women as an oracle writhing around. There might be one more if I remember right.

I just saw the midnight viewing of this and it was AMAZING....such a good fucking movie it was incredible

We will remain the power of the world for all of eternity.

Saw the midnight showing, gotta say that it's the best action/epic since Braveheart. Gladiator was more of a character story, but I really liked this even more than Gladiator as a movie. The action scenes were epic and absolutely gorgeous, with loooooooong single-take cuts that really amp up the action in slow-motion.

There were three nudity scenes, the first being the aforementioned sex scene between Leonidas and Gorgo(sp?), the second was the pink-two-inch-nipple-oracle-girl wearing her single-ply top, and the third was in Xerxes chamber during the subversion of the traitor with all kinds of bondage/piercing on display.

Amazing, amazing movie. Lots of people are gonna dog it because it didn't take years and years to explain and introduce the characters. Which was great since it left more screen time for the action!

Saw this one in a matinee with some military co-workers. It took our breath away.

The cinematography was amazing. Battle scenes the like of which I have not seen on the screen since "Private Ryan".

Butler commands the screen in a way I have seldom seen, he deserves at least some consideration for an Oscar.

And folks, this was the "warrior ethos" on display. Its what we in the USMC try to instill in our Marines. I've never seen it put better than the words these players speak, and the actions they perform. It tells you "why" we, who volunteer to fight, are what we are, even thousands of years later.

All I can say is "Wow". Go see it. You will be entertained! I know I'm going back to see it again, and (if rumours are true) on the IMAX screen if possible.

This is a visually stunning, yet laughable view of an historical battle. Rife with inaccuracies. Monsters, deformed beasts, black Persians. Since when are Persians black? They made Xerxes look so gay. Maybe the could have dubbed a lisp. This movie is just a vehicle to sell video games. It's too bad. Such technical talent wasted on such a garbage script.

Awesome action scenes which leaves you stunned. if u love action and blood this is a must watch. If you're into more of a story line.. maybe u should pass. Cuz its all graphics and action in this one.

This movie is AWESOME. It's going to be a blockbuster. The only people who won't like it are gays and muslim terrorists. Get a load of Xerxes, a gay middle-eastern despot!

I just saw this movie today and I have to say it was the best movie I have seen in years!! I loved it and cool thing is that the real story behind this movie is just as amazing.

BRB, were you under the mistaken impression that the film was a documentary because I don't know anyone who expects accuracies in a film based on a comic book? If you paid attention, the story was being told to others, so it's possible that hyperbole entered into the telling of the tale to motivate the soldiers.

DFN, don't bring that idiotic nonsense around here.

I jsut saw this movie and was pleased. persia was and still is the land dictarships, persians even don't have their own alphabets, arabic and turkish languages make up approx 80% of persian language and still they claim they have a language delightful as suger, I think persians never had emperes, their history is mostly based on poems and myths, all the historical documensts are in Sumer or Akedian languages and it has nothing to do with persians.....persains claim to have had 2500 years of history, out of these years, arabs rulled them for 1000 years,and turks rulled them another 1000 years, they history is as dark as dark faces in the 300 movie

go educate yourself before making assumptions. persians created the human rights,system of taxation. dont make any comments when you have no education. history shows that alexander was a gay leader who was Barbaric not the king of persia. the truth is out there go and research and educate yourself.

I have a 14 year old boy that wants to really see this movie. Any Moms out there that have seen this? What do you think?

perspolis says in his comments that persians created human rights, he/she must be kidding, persians have no clue what human right is. listen, the era of pan-farsism is over. don't belive me? ask the azeris, kurds, baluchis, arabs, turkmans....living in Iran. all these nationalties know about persians is how persians put them down, what a culture these persians have,a nation that established human right now puts down its own people. take your blindfoled off. we know what's happinging in your country

Mom- I'm not a mom, but I'll tell you that your son will definitely be able to handle it, since he's 14 and has probably seen worse in movies.

There is some nudity, but mainly from the men. You see a man's bare butt at one point. Women's bare breasts are shown briefly, but the men spend most of the movie wearing nothing but loincloths.

There's a suggested rape scene, but the characters are still fully clothed, and the scene cuts before it gets any worse.

There's lots and lots of violence. Heads and limbs are chopped off, lots of impaling by spears. But then again, Saving Private Ryan and Starship Troopers was bloodier.

perspolis, i don't know if bragging about recreating the system of taxation is going to help your cause.

Sodagar, I'm not sure why your comment got erased. It wasn't my choice, especially considering what gets left around here. With that being said, I will state again that the film isn't being presented as historical fact and the story is being narrated by a Spartan, so it's no surprise that he would paint his enemies in a bad light.

Mom, it's stylized violence, but it's not gorey. The sex scenes include a loving couple and not a rape scene as K suggests, but a woman giving herself to a man in exchange for something. It wasn't done against her will. You know some of what your son has already seen and how mature he is. I'm sure if I was his age, I would want to see it. If you go, I would be curious in your reaction.

300 is a great movie full of visual effects and graphics which made it different and much better. Acting was great, director did a wonderful job and chose great actors, full of action, and it is based on a true story.
Unfortunately, the only negative point of this movie is that they made it so different and untrue because of showing the Persian Empire and Xerxes like monsters (Persian Empire and Xerxes were Heroes too), and it lost all the History points. I prepared to watch a movie closer to the History style, and characters should be based on their true appearance (I'm sure Xerxes wasn't that Ugly, and he had beard).
Except the negetive point, they made an amazing movie, and you'll love it. Hope everyone enjoys it.

It was a good movie, but it is plenty violent and bloody (not gory though).

the movie 300 is big lie . America always afraids of iran and iranian always defeat the america.USA i a gig liar

This movie fails in every way.
1- Historically it is completely wrong. Just Goolge Xerxes or the Persian empire.
2- It is trying hard to be theatrical but fails.
3- It cinematography fails, you can actually hear the audio reverberating in the warehouse it was filmed in. LIsten carfully and you'l see what I mean.
4. It fails at being virtual. Just look at the monsters in it and the animation.
While some of the photgraphy is good, this movie is really a grand failure. I am amazed anyone would give themselves this much liberty to completely misrepresent history.

Kiss my persian ass. And Fuck you Ms.Director, Cheers to the truth.

"This movie fails in every way."

Apparently not at the box office.

Unless you can show where anyone connected with the film claimed it was historically accurate, your charge against fails.

Again, it was a story narrated by a Spartan as troops gathered for war. What did you expect him to tell people? It was a quick slaughter and Xerxes is really a nice guy?

That's fine if you don't like the film, but don't make up stuff to be upset about.

It wasn't done against her will.

Yeah, technically it wasn't against her will and she agreed to it, but she still didn't enjoy it. I guess a better term would be "unpleasant sexual situation."

sara- Oh brother, just spare me from your crap.

pete- I guess the 10 foot tall Xerxes or the 20 foot elephant must have tipped you off that it wasn't historically accurate. It's a COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Get over it.

Rami- a man directed the film. I'm sure he could care less about your Persian ass.

Some of you say the movie is depicting a real historical event, and some say that it is nothing but a comic.

To those who believe it is historically true, I strongly recommend to read and learn more. Kelly, I am an Iranian, and I'm proud of my nationality. I am proud of being a descendant of Great Cyrus. Why don't you ask me to share ideas?

I have a word with Jason. Why do you judge a culture's literature and history when you have no information about it? Persian literature is a rich literature filled with PERSIAN poems, epics, novels... which are far different from Arabic or Turkish. If 80% of Persian language is derived from these languages, why don't I, as an educated Iranian, understand neither Arabic or Turkish?! If Iran's history is based on myths, how were the ancient monuments of Perspolis along with their Persian inscriptions built? By poets' imagination do you think?!!

And to those who think it was a comic not history, did you enjoy the film neglecting the nationality of Xerxes and his men? Ok, let's imagine a similar film was made about American people. Would you still enjoy seeing your countrymen as monsters? Think more on how it must have affected Persians' feelings.

:(

Story originally told by the historian Herodotus, first time as a movie as "300 Spartans"

it's a movie, fer fuck's sake....get over it

For those Persians who feel mistreated, join the club. I am German and Italian. Should I feel bad and insulted every time Nazis and the Mob show up in film, books, and television programs? Unless it's a movie about you it's not about you. I would think there are more pressing problems to deal with in the real world.

As a proud Persian/Iranian, I have to agree with Parastoo and several of the others who point to the invalid perception of Persians.

If you believe that Persians are so evil, then why is there a life size replica of Cyrus the great of Persian empire human rights declatration at the U.N.?

Also, Pesians are the first to believe in ONE GOD unlike Creeks who had many mythical gods. In addition that Creeks practiced salvery where as Persians fobiden it.

I strongly advise for the mislead ones to educate themselves.

Cheers.

"300" is the movie version of "24".

I saw it and was disgusted, not at blood and gore and tits but by the producer's insertion of vile American Empire neocon propaganda.

There was something about "Spartan are reluctant to fight", like Bush said about America while along the war on Iraq was planned years before.

I mean, there's a "freedom isn't free" line in the goddam movie!! Also, the Persians are dark and black!! Mmmmm, the timing of the movie wouldn't have anything to do with the current American hate propaganda campaign towards Iran today, would it? Nevermind that Persians are NOT and NEVER were BLACK.

WTF!! Isn't anything safe from the Empire's influence? The movie's technical achievements mean diddly-squat because the message of the film is total junk propaganda.

for the love of JuJu...

repeat after me...

"it's a comic book movie!"

well,this how i put it..

Iam Greek,Athenian and iam an accountant not a philosopher and definately not a boy lover.I have lots of Spartans friends down in Peloponesus who are
not warlords ,but ordinary people like you and me.And some persians who live now in Athens they are neither gay rulers nor ugly beastie faces.

And you know why not..because we are living in 2007, not in year 480 bc or on some movie screen.

My point is that 300 its just a movie like the dozens that hollywood produces everyday,excellent for some people,junk for others,historiclly uncorrect in several aspects(leonidas never threw a spear aiming xerxes since xerxes was never in the battlefield..etc),a propaganda film against persians ,too much blood,two tits(hehe),heroic(come back with it or on it)and whatever.

Personally,i agree with all the above and thus i enjoyed it!.If i wanted to know about this story of my ancestors i'd have read Herodotus and not Frank Miller.And since i have done that i know that its all about empires.There were the Greek city states fighting one another and there was the persian empire(starting with Cyrus the Great),an empire concisting of above a hundrend diferrent tribes(Lydians,medeans..not only persians) and that empire did as all empires do.. Conquer..

Yes,i'am proud of leonidas and the 300(there also were 700 thespians who stayed with the spartans and died)but should i'd be proud with Alexander who did exactly what the Persians tried to do with
the Greeks , but they failed whilst he succeeded to conquer all of the Persian empire..but he didnt destroyed it?

And some of you that call persians tyrrants,terrorists or whatever,what if greeks had failed to stop persians in the naval battle of salamis and Greece was conquered by themce...maybe then there was not a western civilazation as we know it today, but only eastern.So spare us ,persians are not uncivilazed and monsteroids as much as americans are not Buch or i might say Bushoids:)

About the movie itself,its a story of a three hundred men who were born and raised to be warriors,(the first well trained army in history)who decide to die fighting against an inumerous enemy army.Leonidas is a hard trained commando, but not just a killing machine(he has an excellent relationship with his wife,he treats efialtis with the grandeur of a King...)and his companions are young warriors who tease each other,who are not afraid to die for their country and King and when they die ,they die laughing in a boyish way.So they are the good guys and this story is about them not about xerxes.Regarding this,they must be presented as fearless, handsome, great bodied warriors, whilst the persians must be legions of ugly,fat belly,wealthy eye shaded humanoids who dared to march against our heroes.

If you put some comic exagerating point of view on that(the wolf that leonidas killed as a boy never lived in the greek coyntryside ,but most likely in Howling II:)you have 300,a movie describing a bloody(kill em all) heroic justified battle which steers up your adrenaline and makes you after leaving the hall to start screaming< ha-hu> ill eat your throats bastards!!Thats for the boys,for girls....go play with your doll sweetie.....:)))

this movie will have a horrible effect on persian mentallity, persians live in the past, think in the past and die in the past. persiann are not modern and don't have the capacity to comprehend modern times, to me, this movie will put them in even deeper sleep... you can't name a modern persain elite, a modern persian scientist. I had 4 persian neighbours and all of them were obssessed about past. no wonder persians can't move on

sara, I agree with you to some extend, to me, persians are given (( not gained or won )) a totally false history, to me, they never had empires. just picture it, a nation that never had the ability to build an empiree, is told that they once had empires, now todays persians unable to achive what once they had (( not even in their dreams )) find themselves obsessed with their past because it gives them what they long for. so like you said, they end up living in the past becasue they re-creat that false given-history.**** take a lool at their region, persian speaking regions are the most uncivilized, backward and undeveloped area's of the world, from tajikestan to afghanistan, and todays persia or Iran. culturly, economicly and technologicly they are dead in today's world, all the neighbouring countries are fast improving thir situation, but the farsi-speaking region even can't separate itself from it's false stupid past.

sara I had few persian neighbours, they come across as way too judgmental, nosy and just can't mind their own business

sara, ted, and maria, I think you are commenting on your neighbors not the movie! keep your fucking ideas for yourselves

I saw the movie last night. I thought it was okay. But it wasn't as great as I was expecting it to be. I saw some historical inacuracy as well. My dad saw it with me..he said it was awful. My friends who have seen it already thought it was awesome.

I thought it was a great movie in its type. It was not intended as a historical documentary but as a narrative from the Spartan perspective.The fight scenes reminded me of Gladiator, only better.

If Persians are offended, they should put themselves in the position of other peoples ( Germans,Italians, Japanese) who have endured years of insult about their more recent heritage from Hollywood films.Getting insulted about something that happened 2500 years ago is a it immature in my book.

breaking news - Iranian persians treat non-persian nationalities living in Iran the same way that they were treating their own soldiers and their enemies in the movie "300". In todays Iran, all the money goes to persain-living provinces. provinces or stats such as baluchistan, kurdestan, lorestan, azerbaijan, turkman sahara, oil-rich al-ahvaz or " khuzestan" which has iran's arab populatin get noghing from iran's oil-dependent economy, a new survey show non-persian call persians * persian shauvinists* due to persians ill-treatment of them.

I called myself very proud persian as I am really. These people that they have been shown as beasts in this movie and in realty have written "the first charter of human right" and "discover electricity 2500 years" ago and digged Suez channel 2500 years ago and many other sevices to the science and humanities. That is a shame for us that instead of appreciating them showing these noble people as beasts.

i thought it was great =]

The Persian chauvinist rule is absolute and oppressive in all aspects. The Baloch have challenged Persian rule in western Balochistan in several occasions.

The region's autonomy ended in 1925 with the imposition of Persian rule over... but little is heard of their struggle against Persian chauvinist

systematic prejudice and persecution by the Persian chauvinist Tehran regime. Other maltreated minorities include the Balochis, Turkmen and Azeris.

Note to the Dummies:

To all the morons who saw this piece of sh-t movie and who now think they have a PHD in Persin History.......-while in realty flunking 6th through 12th grade history class-kindly go back to playing your 7 hour daily Nintendo games. Please go back to playing dungeons and dragons or watch a re-run of Star Wars episode 5!!!!

Also, a note to all the people who say "hey its just a movie" well F--k you!! let me see your heratige portrayed as animals and creatures while being pissed on and see how calm you sit? think about that for a secound and then look me in the eye and say you would not be ready to punch someone in the mouth. So Fu-- you.

siyamak, if you are going to suggest people go back to school, you should really pay attention to your writing skills as it's a tad ironic.

Either you didn't see the movie or you didn't understand what you were watching. Both disqualify you from discussing it any further.

Last time I visited this site, I was so astonished and annoyed about the comments posted about Iran that I couldn't just sit and watch people misapprehend my homeland. I tried to tell some of them that they were wrong about Iran. But now I see the lies that the American media have told Americans all through their life can not be removed from their minds by hearing some Iranian's words.

Remain in your oblivion about Iran. This time I don't bother myself to answer "sara", "maria", "human right" and "cry humanity". To me and the others who live in Iran, what these people say is nonsense.

You know, it really is quite astonishing how narrow-minded most of the people in the world are nowadays. It used to be you watched a movie for the sheer entertainment value of it. Now, for some reason or another, everyone thinks every movie is based on fact and should be 100% historically accurate. All this movie is is just that, a movie. It is loosely, and I highly emphasize the word loosely, based on actual events. It was never advertised as a documentary. If you want documentaries, go see something from Michael Moore (though some of his documentaries are actually questionable as well).

This movie is based on a graphic novel by the same name. It is only an artist's rendition of the story, nothing more, nothing less. At best, it will make you want to go out and learn history and find out what really happened. At worst, you believe everything put in front of you on a screen. And that, my friends, is not just sad, but pretty damn scary, because it just shows your complete ignorance of what's going on around you. Writers and storytellers have embellished their tales for as long back as history goes. That's what makes the stories captivating and entertaining. If they all stuck to actual events in the way that they happened, then they would have to find other professions, because actual events are never as glorious as they may sound otherwise.

For you who are persons of Persian descent, get over yourselves, please. I'm pretty sure there are stories in your culture that some of us would take offense to because of how we would be portrayed. I personally wouldn't be because it is nothing more than another culture's perspective of one different from theirs, and we all have differing opinions on each other anyway whether we like it or not.

What it all boils down to is, you enjoy the movie for what it is, great acting, good CGI effects, and great fight scenes. Or, you don't enjoy it, for whatever reason, and look through your local movie listings for something else.

It seems this movie has a message after all, since non-persian Iranian nationallites such as Balouchis, turkmans,arabs, lores, kurds, azeris..are denied their every existence by persian chauvinists. today every kurd, every azeri, balouch, turkman, arab...must become a Spartan to break persian chauvinists back.I'm sure victory is near as everybody has come to realize persian language, history,,,is a big lie.

Hey guzy i've just seen the trailer n trust me with all the muscles n visuals ..i would certainly like 2 go have a look n tell'yall howz the movie...n ya the music in the trailer is simply mind blowing....

Noah, the music is Nine Inch Nails "Just Like You Imagined" off "The Fragile" album.

For those of you offended by this movie, welcome to the year 250 B.C.

...er, I mean, welcome to 2007!

Hmm, I guess that is easy to confuse.

I loved the movie; it really got my adrenaline going: "This... is... Sparta!!!"

:)

Persian chauvinism in Iran has hurt significantly the economic and social well-being of South Azerbaijan. Chauvinism as a policy has been practised implicitly by the Iranian regime and has targeted at its core the national culture of Azeri's in South Azerbaijan. The Azeri language had been removed from official use in all areas, including, schools, courts, government structures, and the army. Specific forms of Azeri cultural expression are prohibited as well.

take a look at iran's populatin make-up. persians are not the majority of the country but the chuavinistic system is pro-persian. the system defines iran as persian land and the languatge just persian. I can't belive persians are crying and whining like babies over a movie but totally ignore to what's happining to their country men/women in the present time. .........why should I care for what happend over 2 thousands ago but not to care for what's happing in the present?

Richard,
You've got some facts right about the Azeris, but the rest is your imagination. Suffice it to say that the Iranians Supreme Leader and a significant number of people in the regime are Azeris themselves.

This is not Persian Chauvinism. Some people have distorted the historical image of the Persians, and Persians aren't happy with it.

This applies to anti- Islamic Republic Persians, including myself.

Megan,

Is this what you're getting at?
Do you work for the CIA?

Americans always have been the least learned about other cultures and history of others for variety of reasons. Therefore, incorrectly portraying a historical event is a disservice to Americans first.

To those of you who say this is just a movie! This movie could have had all its adolescence appeal of heroes and villains, war and victory as a fiction without depicting any particular historical event. However, when some facts are mixed with fictions then you wonder why! What is the motive? The first declaration of human rights by the Cyrus the Great whose name is in the bible (Old Testament) because he helped and freed the Jews is kept in a museum in London.

Although recent history of the Iran's regime and their human rights violations are undeniably shameful, it has hurt Iranian people who find themselves helpless in dealing with a dictatorship more than anyone else. What the government of Iran who is not elected democratically does however, has nothing to do with the rich history of that country. I Think about why every regime in that region (south of Soviet Union) is made up of fanatic religious governments. That is what West wanted as a deterrent against the threat of Soviets Union and to preventing the progress of communism during cold war. After all, if you are very religious you could not easily accept atheisms. Always try to think for yourselves rather than following what governmner, media, or religious leaders tell you.

Nima, Joseph Stalin was from Georgia,and he killed tens of thousands of georgies, Does it mean he was a true georgian? ofcourse not. Iranian azeris make up approx 30% of Iran's population and it's obvious that some of them are inside iran's regim's. but the fact is """The System "" is pro persians, and azeris or kurds...work for the system which is pro-persians...like Stalin that was working for pro-russian system.....don't deny the facts, it'll catch up with you.

It's great that the Persians created all these wonderful things. But uh, that doesn't mean that Xerxes wasn't trying to conquer the Greek city-states. Why doesn't the movie go into the great things that the Persian Empire did? Probably because those things have nothing whatsoever to do with the movie. This movie wasn't called "The History of the Persian Empire" was it? It's about a certain event and guess what, the Persians were defintely the bad guys during that event, and had the Persians won the overall war then Western Civilization would have been snuffed out right there.

Now obviously the Persians weren't all undead looking guys, monsters, or bisexual metrosexuals. But this was a movie based on a comic book. There is something called "artistic license." The Persians were depicted that way to make them seem more like alien invaders. The non-Persian Persians (the black guys for example) were there to make the Persian Empire look more powerful; they imply that the Persian Empire is so vast that it spreads deep into Africa and Asia. Is there anyone over the age of 10 that really thinks that there were Persian half-human monsters running around during the real battle? Of course not.

for those still arguing if persians were black

[3.114] Where the south declines towards the setting sun lies the country called Ethiopia, the last inhabited land in that direction. There gold is obtained in great plenty, huge elephants abound, with wild trees of all sorts, and ebony; and the men are taller, handsomer, and longer lived than anywhere else.(Herodotus)

Of course Persians werent black,but the Persian empire of that time was consisting of many many nations,amongst them the Ethiopians who were black,tall etc...They also had huge elephants!

Hehe ,maybe not that huge as Frank Miller's 300.. and ok xerxes wasnt black himself, but then again was he so much taller than Leonidas:)

When tales like that or like homerus tales were told back in 500 bc,i guess people were using their imagination to picture them.Nowadays its the screen that provides us that imagination,the director's imagination.

Maybe in the eyes of that people back then ,the mighty persian empire was consisting of terrifying animal like people(ethiopians were under panthers skins acoording to herodotus)and huge beasts until
they set foot in main Greece and..oopps..they were just people!

Persian Chauvinism must be as uqly as persian characters in the 300 movie. no wonder iran needs a strong/dictatorial central governmet lead by ugly persian chauvinists, without a brutal central government, iran will fall apart because nobody wants to live with ugly persians, so the stick of central government,hanging,torturing ...continues...down with ugly persian chuavinism. but I'm sure soon non-persian azeris, kurds, baluchis, arabs, turkmans, lores ....will be freed from this evil virus called persian-chauvinism.

I thought the movie was okay, the problem was that the plot was very obvious- not really anything happened that I didnt see comming...

So how would you rate it - vist my site and let me know

The Comments section isnt helping at all for those who havnet seen the movie. plz comment on the movie instead of conflicting with your own ideas

I know this message is irrelevant from the opened discussion! But since tomorrow is the start of the New Year (Nowrouz) in Iran, I would like to offer you the following poem from Fereydoon Moshiri, an Iranian poet, and say Happy New Year to you all!

Please accept my apology if the translation does not infer the poet's feelings.

Original poem in Persian:
Booye baran, booye sabze, booye khaak,
Shakhe-haye shoste, baran khorde, paak,
Aasmane aabi o abre sepid,
Barg-haye sabze beed,
Atre narges, raghse baad,
Naghmeye shoughe Parastoo-haye shad,
Khalvate garme kabootar-haye mast...
Narm narmak miresad inak bahaar,
Khosh be haale roozegar!

Translation:
The smell of rain, the smell of grass, the smell of soil,
Washed, rain sunk, clean tree branches,
The blue sky, and the white cloud,
Green willow leaves,
The fragrance of narcissus, dance of the wind,
The delightful melody of pleased swallows,
The warm privacy of ravished(?) pigeons...
Gradually, spring is approaching,
Good for the world!

Us Greeks know how to lay the Smackdown.
Next up Alexander, who chased and conquered the Persains all the way back to persia.
Incredible movie to watch at IMAX.

Maybe I set my expectations too high, but I personally thought that this movie was AWFUL.

I wanted to like this movie, I really did. But despite the riveting battle scenes and pretty pictures, it was all rendered irredeemable by the script, the sporadic plot-line, the unfortunate political references, and the incredibly annoying voice of the narrator...and maybe too much nipple.
Great display of manly thighs though. It's not every day you get to see men's thighs that look that nice.

greatttt movie, they should've chased ugly persians all the way to afqanistan where they can fest with narcotics, write stupid and nonsense poems, and escape from reallity

It's easy to say just enjoy this movie as mindless entertainment, but, for some of us, that's impossible. Partly, the problem is the movie (or Miller's story) tries so hard to sell us on who are the good guys and who are the bad. The script goes out of its way to educate us about Spartan culture and the characters are constantly telling us how honorable they are. The movie frames itself as a story about freedom fighters and those of us who don't view it that way--for whatever reason--feel like we're being manipulated.

Personally, I found the Spartans to be annoying. Why should I get behind a bunch a militaristic jerks who hurl their weaker babies off cliffs and go around saying how much greater they are than everyone else?

I'm tired of movies and tv shows throwing out words like honor, destiny, and freedom in an attempt to win my heart. Without any proof, these things don't really mean anything.

sweetie jack

You must have mentioned Afghanistan's raise in Narcotic production after US invasion to that country don't you? Why do you escape from reality honey?

Dudes chill out. This movie was amazing. Of course it was very historically inaccurate. When is hollywood every historically accurate. All the innacuracies like huge fat guys with saws in their arms, the gay xerxies and other shit make the movie much more interesting. If the movie was 100% accurate the 300 spartans wouldn't seem quite as glorius as they did. For those who haven't seen the movie go see it ... its the 3rd highest grossing r rated movie of all time and the highest grossing movie ever released in march also it was only 60million to make which is relatively cheap. And any movie that causes so much talk and controversy must be great.

I can't believe Iranian persians treat non-persian Iranians so badly, they force them to just learn persian in schools and learn persian history and culture (what a darn culture). I just visited ethologue site and it clearly shows persians are not the majority in Iran, then why they force others to learn their language, not only that, they totally prohibid the use of non-persian iranians to use their own language in their own provinces. the more I study iran and persian the more I come to realize that non-persian iranians are denied their baic human rights in a country called Iran by persian" chauvinists". I can't believe this's taken place in the 21st century right befor our eyes.

Remember.....this movie is not a historical documentary...so dont go saying it has no historical accuracy when it wasent meant to necicarly educate u in a certain way. The movie was purly made for the action and to tell u a small glimpse of how 300 Spartans held off a shit load of Persians. its NOT a documentary

some people's opinions get so twisted thinking pro american film or that greece are put on a pedestal...and for a trully objective opinion this movie is very clever and witty, the cinematography is undaunting. Remember folks leave your baggage at the door when you see this one.." |Remember, after all, it is just a movie"! One of the best films i have seen in ages.

Just saw "300".

Man what a film....

Loved every bit of it. Now I,m of to the Gym to work out.

do you guys think persians have evolved? I doubt it comparing this guy """ ahmadi nezhad""" stupid persian leader.

I think persia or Iran's days are numberd.
1-because persian history is a big lie
2-persian language is a big lie, it's god-father is arabic.
3-economicly farsi-speaking countries are dead.
4-they've done whatever they could to make everybody within and outside Iran their enemies, within iran the non-persian nationallites are awakining, demanding their human rights from chuavinistic persian system, and outside the country you all know better

OK. Lets make a new kind of movie that is totally and completely in now way possibly offensive to anyone. Lets call it White Screen....

Thats being racist. What about "black screen"?

300 was incredible ive seen it multiple times and find both the cinematography and acting to be phenominal. The grand scenes and beautifully depicted battle scenes add to the overall quality. Im not sure about its historical accuracy, but considering it was narrated by a spartan to the spartan army, i wouldnt expect a non-biased depiction of the tale. This film is a must see, 10/10.

Amazing how much racism exists in the "most democratic country" in the world. I am not a historian to tell how accurate the accounts in this movie are, but Iranians are the most gracious hosts I have ever visited. I was in Shiraz, a city of poets, last Summer and the movie that depicts Persians as Barbarian sex-crazed people has certainly gone out of its way to paint these people as evil, whereas my experience was the exact opposite. As for non-Persians in Iran, I am not sure how many times that dude has been to Iran, but certainly his opinion will change after a visit.

marxist, not being able to understand the complexity of the issue,over simplifying things will get you no-where. first do your homework, take your time and get to know what's going on, take a look at ethnologe site and realize that Iran is and have been a multi-national country

the city that you visited " shiraz" is a persian-living city, it's development has been achieved in the expense of depriving non-persian provinces from development.you can't sacrifice non-persian nationallites basic human right in return of having a good time in a city.

Hey for all of the "Persians" out there who are sooo upset about this movie, will you all stand up and acknowledge that maybe the decendants of the spartans could be upset for being portrayed as babykilling inbred ghouls??? Its a fairy tale that used a historical event as a plot line. Don't watch it if you don't like, and if you were so savvy in regard to the "real" history and the accuracy of the story, what would have compelled you to go watch it anyway?? Were you bloodthirsty to see your great Xerxes slaughter the western army of 300 Spartans??? You're all a bunch of collectivist babies. YOU were not on screen, this movie was not about YOU, YOU were not alive back then, YOU are not a great poet and not a great creator of human rights. YOU are just an individual alive today and only create more animosity between other individuals when YOU can't dissasociate yourselves from a meaningless group. YOU may be proud of what other of the same bloodline have accomplished but why don't YOU recognize that we are all human and if we hold on to these racist ideas of "I'm this and you're that" based on skin color that YOU are perpetuating the very thing YOU are on here crying about!

this is the most awsome fucking movie ever the killing captivates you and if the ticket was 20 dollars i would see this fucking MANS movie again hoooooooo ahhhhhhhhhhhh whoooooo hoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

300 is the best movie I have seen all year! I want to see MORE movies like this.

300 is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It should have stayed in the comic book. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. I could have left after the first 10 minutes of this epic want-a-be. This movie you should have paid me to see because it is not worth matinee price

"This movie you should have paid me to see"

Sorry to burst your bubble, but considering it's made $166,844,117 in 20 days in North America alone that's not likely.

300! is a Rootin' Tootin' Heroic Movie!

You may have noted that the movie "300!" is clobbering all competitors at the box office, seen varying reviews, and wondered if it was worth it. In a word, absolutely!

The plot is true, and well-known. In the Battle of Thermopylae of 480 BC an alliance of Greek city-states fought the invading Persian army in the mountain pass of Thermopylae. Vastly outnumbered, the Greeks held back the enemy in one of the most famous last stands of history. Persian King Xerxes led an Army of well over 300,000 men to Greece and was confronted by King Leonidas of Sparta and 300 Spartans (plus some Athenians). He offers them terms/promises/bribes to stand aside and join his empire, and they choose to fight, knowing they will all die, while the folks back home debate about whether to send reinforcements..

Thar's the bare bones of it, but doesn't cover the truly glorious film that is 300! The photography, enhanced by computer graphics, is shockingly beautiful. The dialogue and acting is terrific. Gerard Butler's King Leonidas makes Russell Crowe's Maximus (Gladiator) look like a choir boy in comparison. Can't see how you could do better short of Richard Burton. There is an excellent extensive female part, and it would be a mistake to think of this as just a "guy's' movie". There is even some definite humor. My wife loved it. You WILL be drawn in and emotionally involved. Quite a few audiences seem to applaud at the end. They should.


You may have heard this is violent. Well,sort of. It is a genuine epic with many fight scenes. The film editor never uses the same camera angle twice, and the combination of color and shading makes for an absolute beautiful vision. Much thought had also been put into the music, and sound effects chosen by the director. But there really is little blood and no spilled innards, though there are antiseptic severed limbs and heads.

You may have heard that this is a "political'" movie, and it is true the the Iranians are not fond of it. I didn't see it that way. Greece WAS the foundation of Democracy and Western Civilization, and the invading army WAS Persian. Can't change reality.

In sum, the movie really is the words that are over-used. Spectacular. Epic. Glorious. Beautiful. Heroic.

Five stars. For sure. Go see it. And don't wait for the DVD.

Fantastic movie going to see it for a third time tomorrow. Gerard Butler's performance was outstanding. You can tell those Spartans worked their asses of to get those abs. Loved the king too. This whole movie was visually stunning. Great Job.

I agree with everything you said, 300 is very striking and gerard butler was perfect as leonidas, a real leading man, if ever i saw one. this is a very unique film, a real cinema spectacle.

El Bicho stop erasing comments that you dont like. you know what you are doing

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Thanks for the clarification, Comments Editor.

I have always liked the tale of thermopylae battle. When I read the graphic novel I hoped that someone would have partrayed it in a movie , faithfully, with no modification.
I in humble opinion this movie is my dream come true. Simply wonderfull. Wonderfull !

whether or not '300' has made money at the box office, gotten good reviews, made by respected industry pros, or based on whatever books, I REALLY DID NOT LIKE the movie, and that is my opinion.
The comments I've read above bashing persian ppl for Iran's current issues in response to persians defending their past is just WRONG. Almost EVERY country today has racial issues in the past and/or present, the U.S. being the absolute biggest offender. Those of you who disagree are very much in denial or just uneducated about the subject. Having been around the world, I KNOW how most "americans" (in quotes because america really is not just the white U.S.) look down on everybody else, with or without realizing it. I believe this movie is secret propoganda, and most ppl who like it so much are blindsided pro-Bush followers, or are being brainwashed to be such. God forbid they make a movie from native americans' point of view showing how the evil wannabe "americans" raped, killed, and stole their ppl & land.
Those of you who say 'get over it' to the persians really need to step out of your over-privileged shoes for a second and realize that this world is more than just your little brain neurons. Please.

Hi. I am not Persian, Greek or American. Perhaps if I was I would be offended by this excellent movie.But I really don't think so. It is is historical fact that the Persians were more imperialist than the Americans ever were, and for this reason would have appeared barbaric to nations they were trying to conquer. This film is just about 300 guys that knew they were going to die, but didn't care because it was for the good of their country. Whether this is right or wrong is up to the viewer to choose. And even though persians are not black, there were people in their empire who were black, and they would have almost certainly been represented in the multinational army that almost conquered the world. And we don't really need any comments about Persian language and history being a lie, because I am sure that French and Italian are at least 80% Latin, and the language in which we are communicating now is about 60% Latin (I'm no expert, so please correct me if I am wrong.)Also, proud as I am of my own culture with its legends of King Arthur and Robin hood, I am not going to say they are anything more than legends.

All civilised people will be ashamed of the barbaric acts they committed in the past, because civilisation can only exist after a long period of blood spilling. And the Persian Empire was quite barbaric and militiaristic in the time of the battle as portrayed in the film.

Does anyone expect that we are supposed to believe that all Persians were crazy sex-obsessed mutants? As there are very few historical sources of the battle, no film portraying it can be anywhere near accurate, so why not go for the awesome crowd pleasing rhinos and giants? I thought that along with the grainy, high-contrast photography, it gave a nice Greek legend feel to it.

All in all, the film is based on a comic book, and views like one too. Of all of the awesome action scenes my favourite is where Leonidas' second in command cuts someone's throat with his hand-guard. How can you deny a film like that?

I don't generally like watching American POLITICAL movies, because the foolish and wild policy of the US is so clear that it doesn't need to be displayed indirectly. But the film 300 swelled so much that I was tempted to watch...
In my opinion, this American cartoon would be proper for children if it demonstrated American wildness less intensely. But the present version does not attract either a mentally healthy adult (I'm not talking about Americans) or an uncorrupted child (neither am I talking about American children).
I hope that Persians, Greeks or any one who have been offended by this movie, will realize that such American junk is not worth caring about. And I am really sorry for those Americans who have so much turned into animals that can enjoy such garbage.

In my opinion people are just looking for evidence of 'manipulation' by the American establishment. It's pathetic that you even look for it in a work of art, and one which clearly does not take itself seriously. As a 15 year-old, being the youngest age meant to view the film, I can watch it without being 'manipulated' at all; and apart from the 'freedom isn't free' comment, noticed no direct comparisions to American society, culture or politics. In my opinion, the tiny yet fearless army that stand up against unreasonable foreign aggression seems to be more closely related to a nation that was against America, rather than for it. And of course; Aemerica would not exist for another 2200 years so the point is entirely moot.

many thanks dear spartans. You have shown the reality of Persia who have been discriminating minorities of Iran for more than 86 years. They have killed thousands of our Turkish and Baloches and Arabs. We Iranian minorities thank you.

After seeing it 3 nights ago, I still feel in awe of 300...I'm going again tonight!

I think I'm safe to say that that is the best movie I have ever seen, the visual impacts, the costumes, acting and content was perfect!

this is my second time seing this movie....awesome....persians u guys should'nt take this movie personal..even though it kinda makes u guys seem like people who were over taken by 300 men..you shoudl understand that people change graphic effects in this movie to make it more exciting....and we know u guys are not animals but its just an entertaining movie....every one should go see this in theaters before its out because you will be missing out.

Oh, Penelope,
I didn't know an American could be as smart as you to realize that Persians are not animals. Thank you very much for your comment.
Go see your cartoon for the third time, since your life is not worth doing some more important job. By the way, I have the DVD of your favorite cartoon. I could offer you the joy of watching it every night before sleep...

Yeah because spending time on the Internet making dumb comments like Ronnie is much more important.

That's right penelope,go see your favourite cartoon; or is it a vicous political piece of evil american propaganda? Get your facts right Ronnie.

Ronnie, you must be pretty paranoid to think that a movie has any American influence at all? I bet George Bush was behind the making of this movie, to "hide" American propaganda in the messages of the spartan army, oh which was a while back I am sure you know that! And I bet you also did not know America has freedom of speech, not everyone here likes the man in power! well not me at least, but you know... it's my Freedom of choice! and I don't know why the people behind this movie, would make a movie to brain-wash more Americans and make them into animals! I don't really know what makes you think movies about 300 men with swords killing men and creatures in a Mythical take on a battle that happened awhile ago around 250 B.C has ANYTHING to do with American politics? ok maybe I heard one of the Spartans say "join the u.s army!" somewhere in there... but I think it was just you.
Also please keep your racist comments to yourself. You have never been here, you are only speculating things, You think everyone here is not above the standard of a healthy adult mind? [Personal attack deleted]

Oh and another thing Ronnie, Pirating cartoons is illegal!

Ok here is the story:
There was only 1 Spartan and he was the storyteller of the group. As the movie opens all of the other 300 Spartans are already dead! Dillios was the only one left alive and his king had told him to tell a "GRAND TALE" so that they would not be forgotten, and that is just what he did. He did not tell Herodotus' tale because Herodotus had not even been born yet. Before books and movies, the storyteller was a very important person in any tribe. That is why we hear him narrating! It is a fictional story told by a fictional character.

It was a very simple story and MOST of the people in the WORLD were able to understand it.
We (the world) can clearly see in this thread who the real racists are. Just keep drawing attention to yourselves so that you can be more easily identified.

A valid point.

What a great movie! It's such a realistic showing of how heroic and noble western ideals can stand up in the face of cowardly and evil "persian" thoughts - i.e. global jihad.

Just goes to show no matter how cowardly and misguided these idiots are that honor, dignity, and knowledge will prevail.

I'm all for a Spartan revival. Any joiners?

You see Alex,
That's the way your people think!

Oh and another thing Alex, besides freedom of speech, you have freedom of carrying guns in your country!!!

Ronnie, are you saying pirating cartoons is legal in your country?

The freedom to carry guns is to keep our government from being able to attack the citizens. In other countries the citizens are just piled in mass graves.

I'm not sure that SuperSpartan's comments were entirely straight-faced, Ronnie (at least, I hope they are not), but I am frankly insulted that you assume that the only people that enjoy this film are people that spell the word honour H-O-N-O-R; as a proud British citizen (who, before you make any derogotory comments, is entirely opposed to a certain Tony Blair's foreign policy)I am not in any way influenced to 'get the raggheads' because of this fantastical interpretation of a historcal event, and really quite enjoyed it.

This film is one of the most blatant war propaganda films I've ever seen. It is clearly a metaphor for the current war in Iraq. Let's see a noble band of "freedom fighters" who are taking on the evil persians ( ie iran/arabs) who are being undercut by dastardly politicians back home who refuse to send more troops. Open your eyes people. The irony is of course that the spartans in the movie are defending their homes against persian invaders as opposed to today where it is the persians who have had their lands invaded. The only positive thing to come out of this movie other than a number of unintentional laugh out loud lines is that it accurately depicts what happens when leaders forgo any modicum of diplomacy in favour of confrontaional rhetoric - lots of people die needlessly.

Guys, This is a great move and I saw it twice over! I then did some reading in the history books too. The film is very well made however the story is so twisted from the facts that this qualifies as a "propanganda film" made by the west. Interestingly I also came to know that the so called "West's Charter of Human Rights" is just a modified form of the original charted of human rights "stolen" from Persia from the time of Cyrus the great from about 2500 years ago.

samhoe, you got it right, persians have no clue what human right is even in the 21 century let alone 25,00 years ago, Greece was the birth of human right and democracy, persians were a bounch of barberains, persian never had philosofers, great thinkers, elits, they don't have any today as well, without democracy, you can't writhe " human right" charter, it's BS.

democracy and human rights go hand in hand, one must be a retarted to think persians were the first nation who wrote Human Rights charter.

let me tell you a fact about persians and iran.

in Iran's history,governing was importand not the rule of law, to have law, you need civil society, persian never had civil establisments, to govern you need force not law in a backward country like Iran. democracy and human right complete each other, in Iran and with persian, it wouldn had not been possible even in a million yeras. long live greece the heart of our freedom and democracy

I'm Syrus the great moran, I killed my grandfather, married with my aunt, and finally my head got cut off by Tomurus Anna, the Queen of Masaget's in an attempt that I tried to bring their region under my will but her son got killed and in return she cut my head off, put my head in a wooden rim ful of blood and said, Syrus you couldn't get enough blood when you were live, now drink blood as much as you can......no you retards better belive that I was the finder of the charter of human rights

I feel sorry to read some of the comments here. I feel regretful that in this modern era, people still speak this low level when they are asked to declare their ideas.

All they do is to write stupid comments about a culture the magnificence of which is not required to be proved by people's sayings.

I do not understand why some one should try this hard to underestimate a culture. Maybe because it is so flourishing that they can not compete with or show weakness of, by logical means.

I saw the film. I found nothing outstanding about it. Only a review of a comic book which has been made very discriminatively.

prasto, take your blindfold off, you talk about the magnificance of persian culture like you guys went ot Mars or something? what makes you feel you persains are so special? I mean come on, persian language is 70% arabic, you use arabic alphabet. your history and language is all lies and false.

Parasto, name a modern persian philosofer, name a modern persian elit, name modern persian great thinker, I dare you to call a modern persian scientist..

facts about stupid persians >> even persian carpets gets made in northern Iran, by Azeri populatin of iran, not stupid persians. parasto the era of lise are over. the more you try to convince people that you are this or that, the more people will find out you are in vain trying to prove something that has a totall false base.

persains never had philosofers, great thinkers or elits, to me, one major reason persian language limitation, you might not know the fact that persain language just has 300 simple verbs where as English language has over 40.000 simple verbs.

now my Question????

anybody here think limited language contribute to limited minds like backwards persians?

no wonder persians don't have any great thinkers, with such a limited vocabulary, what kind of manifesto an elit can have?

persians are all delusional, let them escape from the real world to their stupid poetic world, after all, when you're enjoyin your poetry, you don't have to think, thinking is a hard work. no wonder they don't have any philosofers, but the numbers of poets that they have out-numbers the number of the whole world intellectuls, stupid language can't reach the maturity to become the language of intellectuals, it stays where it's been for centuris, writing stupid, pointless...poetris....

have a look at this and you get the idea.

guys Persian is not 70% Arabic otherwise I could speak Arabic and no we don't have only 300 verbs, don't be so stupid there is a website called wikipedia Use it!

search this keywords in wikipedia.org:

Anousheh_Ansari
List_of_Iranian_Americans
Category:Persian_mathematicians
Persian_philosophers
Darius_I_of_Persia

I think they meant persain language just has (( 300 simple verbs ) not 300 words or vocabulary. I agree with him/her, english language has over 40,000 simple verbs, arash there's a different between verbs and vocabulary, I have a friend who speaks 7 languages due to his job, I asked him and he told me the comment is right, persian language just has 300 SIMPLE VERBS and arabic and turkish language make up approx 80% of persian languae. my friend told me SIMPLE VERBS are the BACKBONE of a language, and sinec persian language lacks simple verbs, it's considerd a weak language.

since my friend speaks arabic as well, this is the sentence that he E-maild me >>> ((((( voroode afrade motafarreghe mamnoo ast. he says except "ast" all the words in this sentence are arabic. also can speak turkish, and he told me you can't actually eat you food without mentioning turkish words in persian language, words such as >>> (( ghashogh, Boshghab, livan, changal)) are all turkish words in persian language.
I love internet, it's so easy to get the needed info and get your questions answerd.

some more info from my friend....
he writes , in English we have simple verbs for working, ironing, resting...in english we say " I work. but in farsi or persian they don't have a simple verb for this, and a farsi speaking individual must use a two-part verb for this action, it becomes " man KAR MIKONAM. kar mikonam is not a simple verb. it's a two part verb, he says the problem lies right here, since they don't have simple verbs, they have to use " kardan" alot. kar kardan, esterahat kardan, otu kardan, kharab kardan, negah kardan, tamiz kardan and so on, in English, we have simple verbs for all the mentioned verbs

wait a second guys, this is intresting, so are you guys saying for every single simple verb in English, persains have a two-part verb? ofcours except those 300 simple verbs that their language has.....wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, so how do they get to explain quantum physics or heavy duty intellectualism coming from the great writers or philosofers of the world? with this broken, incapable farsi or persian, how they get by in the world of science?

perhaps persian of farsi is just the language of poems, that's why persians take a great pleasure reading and memorizing poetries. poem takes away the complexity of the world surrounding them, and makes them enjoy their delusional, imaginary world.

To Katty and those who would like to know more about Persian language:

Part One:
In English or some other languages, we have words which can be used both as verbs and nouns. Surprisingly, all of the words that Katty has suggested are of this type: work, rest, iron.
Your reasoning can be judged in this way: When words like "kar", "esterahat" and "otoo" exist in a language, there is no difference whether we use them alone both as a noun and a verb, or we add to them a common verb like "kardan" in order to construct a two-part verb. (If your friend is going to say that the word "esterahat" is Arabic not Persian, let me add that instead of "esterahat kardan" we can use either of the Persian verbs "asoodan, or aramidan"!)

Part Two
I love my beautiful and rich language, Farsi. And I get frustrated to see that some people content themselves with accepting ignorant people's words. Thus, I spent some time to search in a Persian dictionary and gather only SOME verbs that start with the letter "B". Of course, I'm not a linguist, and I don't have time to search all the pages of the dictionary! It is upon you to judge whether Katty's friend's saying is true about Persian language or not. Here are the VERBS:
1.Baakhtan 2.baaraandan 3.bastan 4.bordan 5.baaridan 6.baazgashtan 7.baashidan 8.baftan 9.baahakidan 10.baayidan 11.bebsoodan 12.betaayidan 13.baayestan 14.bakhsaanidan 15.bakhshoodan 16.bakhshidan 17.bakhnoodan 18.bakhidan 19.baraazidan 20.barkhaastan 21.bardaashtan 22.bargardaandan 23.bargozidan 24.baazaamadan 25.baazaavardan 26.baazistadan 27.baazpardakhtan 28.baazkharidan 29.baazkhaandan 30.baazkhordan 31.baazdadan 32.baazdaashtan 33.baazrastan 34.baazsetadan 35.baazshodan 36.baazshenakhtan 37.baazkaavidan 38.baazkeshidan 39.baazgardandan 40.baazgereftan 41.baazgoftan 42.baazgereftan 43.baazmandan 44.baazheshtan 45.baazyaftan 46.baalaanidan 47.baraasoodan 48.baraashoftan 49.baroftaadan 50.barafraashtan 51.barafkandan 52.baraamadan 53.baraamikhtan 54.barandakhtan 55.barangikhtan 56.baraavardan 57.baraavikhtan 58.barjastan 59.barchidan 60.bardaashtan 61.bereshtan 62.barkeshidan 63.barkandan 64.bargardaandan 65.bargozidan 66.bargashtan 67.bazidan 68.besalanidan 69.basijidan 70.booyidan 71.bikhtan 72.paakidan ...
I think the number 300 VERBs may have occurred to your friend only after watching the movie 300! Because no real reasoning seems to be behind it.

you got it right, it explains pretty much the love affair that persians have with poets and poertries, they use it as a escapegoat.

from now on, I won't belive any persian I won't belive their false history and anything to do with their history, language, cultue, hand-made craft such as " persian carpet" that now we know are made by Iranian azeris not persians.

this site was and is an eye-openner, thanks for all the info

parastoo, you can't escape from anything anymore, the era of lies are over, persian languae just has 300 simple verbs. and you just came up with 72 of them.

like I said, I won't trust any persian any more

If your language doesn't have a simple verb for simple and daily-used verbs such as " work, rest... , it doesn't take a rocket sceintis to realize that this language won't have any simple verbs for more sophisticated verbs, ]

no wonder your language is 70% arabic, you need those arabic vocabulary to fill that huge and gigantic gab due to it's aweful flaws

I have enough, no more lies

if any persian comes here saying the fact that persian language has 300 simple verb "" is not right"". I write some simple english verbs and ask them to come up with what they have in farsi, and aske somebody who knows farsi to let us know who is right and who is lying.

now parastoo you tell me, do you have a simple verb for this simple verbs in English

to cuase
to lie
to alienate
to discover
to learn
to teach

if you continue lying, I won't let you go

Part Three (to Christina and Henry)
Christina , again surprisingly, in quantum physics which you mentioned, Iran has had a well-known scientist Professor Mahmoud Hesabi whom you can learn more about on the internet. Professor Hesabi was educated by the prominent physicist Albert Einstein.
By visiting any famous university in the US or Canada, like Stanford, MIT, UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC San Diego, Georgia Tech, UofT, Queens, UBC, Mc Master, etc you can easily find many Iranian students and professors. That's the same if you search top professional positions. Go and see them yourselves, and decide whether Iranians are confined to their poets and run away from hard work, or they search science in all parts of the world!
Henry, you didn't even notice that these are only some Persian verbs which start with the letter "B"!!!!!!! Please discuss with me, and satisfy people that there is some analysis behind your words.

answer the questions, what are the simple verbs in farsi for the simple verbs that I wrote above?

everybody as you see, parastoo couldn't come up with the right simple verbs in farsi for the simple English verbs that I mentioned about, I haven't got the whole day to waste my time with this person, see you all later

I do not know the meaning of the word cuase, but here are the others:

to lie : aaramidan
to alienate : vagozardan
to discover : daryaftan
to learn : amookhtan (yad geretfan)
to teach : amookhtan (yad dadan)
(exactly like "to open" which is both used as transitive and intransitive)

You behave childish, but I spent my time to answer you anyway. Check the words when you have time!
See you later!

hi my friends, salam parasto haalet khoobe? baba inja che khabare? lol

i'm iranina and we were playing footbal, somebody asked anybody here know farsi, i said i know, ok let me help if i can

henry is here with me,

to cause = sabab shodan , we have tow part verb fro this in farsi

to lie = dorough goftan, parasto says aramidan, but i have not heard anybody using it, it might a dead word, i don't know, again it's a tow part verb in farsi

to alienate = roy gardandan, bigane kardan . again it becomes a tow part verb in farsi, parasto says vagozardan, but vagozardan is like ( giving up). we can't use ' vagozardan' by itself, we have to say, vagozar kon.

to discover = kashf kardan, it's a tow part verb, parasto says 'daryaftan' but daryaftan is like understanding,

to learn = yad gereftan , it's a tow part verb in farsi
to teach = yad dadan, it's tow part verb in farsi

parasto and others thanks, har ja hasti khosh bash

sory one more things

also

to lie = deraz keshidan , parasto says aramidan, nobody says in farsi that word, it's laughable, we say, deraz bekesh not biyaram lol

I have used a dictionary for it Ali. Just go to www.farsi123.com and see if I'm wrong. Come on! You say Henry is with you. What an unbiased referee!
"vagozardan" is 100% correct. You check it in your dictionary, don't tell us your opinion.
It is true that people do not use "aramidan" in their daily language, but it is fairly used in writing. Does it mean that Persian language does not have this word!!! Oh my God!
Am I not right about "amookhtan"? What is "amoozesh o parvaresh" then? Is it an archaic word?

1. I didn't claim there is no parallel two-part verb for any one-word verb in Farsi! You have used two-part verbs instead of some existing one-word verbs!!! (For example "yaad gereftan" instead of "amookhtan")

2. Also in English where we have:
To lie = to tell a lie
To discover = to learn about, to find out...
This time I have used Oxford dictionary. Non-Persians can check it too. What is proved by your words then? That English is not a flourishing language too?!!! Come on!

3. I said that I don't believe that having many two-part verbs proves a language to be incapable, as many one-word verbs in English are used both as nouns and verbs. There is no difference to use a "noun/verb" word alone (like in English) or with some auxiliary verb (like in Farsi).

hey guys farsi is a tow-part verb language, here I've got some more

to live = zendegi kardan

to watch = tamasha kardan

to memorize = hefz kardan

to swim = shena kardan

everybody add some more please

what a pitty, farsi has just 300 simple verbs

well done english with over 40,000 simple verbs

Today, I talked to a professor who has a PhD in literature. She said that the number of the simple verbs of a language is totally irrelative to its capability!

Although I showed that the statement "Persian language has only 300 simple verbs" is totally wrong, I add that linguists, not people like Katty's friend, say that a huge number of simple verbs of a language is not a factor of its capability or success. On the contrary, she said that this characteristic even adds up to the complexity and difficulty of usage of that language. And languages which have the ability to create new nouns and verbs by applying already existing words and adding affixes to them are more qualified and capable of usage.

Unfortunately, our discussion yesterday was not scientific! Although, I emphasize that all the definitions that I wrote here yesterday, were taken from an English-Persian dictionary! People like Ali who deny the reality, should know that they must show document for what they say. Their personal idea does not prove anything.

everything is becoming crystal clear and I'm begining to see the pattern.languages like human socities,throughout history, time and times get tested and go through harsh times in order to become solid and strong.
If a language such as Persian Language sounds like baby-talk and one ought to use a whole bounch of KARDANs to make themselve understood, it just proves that it is not the language of secience, it's the language of confusion, this language is chaotic. sceince requries a solid and well-established language.

here comes the importance of Simple Verbs and their roles that they play in the world of languaes.
A solid and strong language needs an army of simple verbs, without them, the language will be reduced to just producing poems, where chaos rules.
not only that, having lots of Simple verbs in a language is another prove that the language is able to create simple verb from Noun and Adjectives and this is the most importand part of the language.

Parastoo, I'm sure you talked to an Iranian Profosser, Iran has lots educated people with lots of PhD degrees, no wonder your contry beats Japan, Germany, USA...in everything.

here I got more two-part verbs

to fly = parvaz kardan
to search = jostojoo kardan
to fix = dorost kardan
to hire = estekhdam kardan
to fire = ekhraj kardan

what a stupid language this farsi is,
I'm sure it has just 300 simple verbs

Congrats!

All of you people who claim to be very sensitive about and skillful in science, finally got the point that parastoo was going to hide. That Persian language has only 300 simple verbs 71 of which start with "B"! You are the cleverest of any body on this earth I have ever met. Congrats!

Now, before you are going to inform me that the Persian empire has never existed, I will go to study history and literature in some OTHER SITE!!!

way to go everybody,

now the whole world knows that incapable persian language is the weakest language of the world.

that for every single simple verb in English, there's a two-part verb in farsi or persian.

love you all, keep up the good job

like one of the users said in their comments,

**** The era of lies are over*****

great job everybody, I just wannna bring your attention to the outcome and implications of speaking a stupid language such as persian in a backward and undevelope country like Iran.

frist off, I want everybody know that people like Parastoo breathe and live because Iran is a oil/gas-rich country, whitout oil/gas, persians are dead-meat.they don't produce anything value-worthy.89% of their economy is based on oil/gas.

secondly, everybody should know that even today in this modern era that we lucky people live, persians still don't have Profesional Jornalism, stupid persians language, have not allowed them to gain a " Cultural Critique".

this stupid language, don't let persian to grow up, act and behave with maturity.

I would say, stupid,incapable and backward persian language is mostly responsible to persians and farsi speaking world's backwardness, just pictur it, how are you supposed to digest the giant intellectuals of the 21st century with only 300 simple verbs?

Too many factors play in a language and nation's maturity, if persian language has not got to that degree of maturity, then lots of historical/cultural facts which we today know about persians must be untrue,

their history must be a totall lie,
their language must be a sub-language, not an independent language, maybe it's the 30th accent of arabic language since it uses approx 75% of arabic vocabulary.

these are great questions and concerns, it can be Univercity graduates theses.
long live logic.

I love this site, we should call this site persian stupidity exposed.

Farsi is an ancient language with a very complicated system of single verbs and double verbs, BUT it's also an elegant language and a beautiful one. Cause the ancient persian culture that created it was truly amazing. Have you ever seen a typical persian garden? It speaks directly to the soul with its beauty. And a culture that loves poetry so much isn't exactly backward.... That said, actual Persia (or Iran as is called now) is another matter. Theocracy and fanaticism have brought to its knees an once prosperous culture. Western people that appreciate Persia hoped in the reform of Khatami. Now we have Ahmadinejab.....Present day Persia is like one of the flowers so common in its gardens: closed and sleeping, waiting for a new wind of freedom to restore it to its old beauty. The old king wasn't exactly a saint, but compared to actual leaders......Whatever will be the result of the mounting culture clash between West and Jihadist Movement, I will always pray for a future where americans, europeans and persians can meet together and have a nice laugh. Cause we are all brothers under the same sky. Even if some criminals do their best to convince us otherwise.

May God grant us such a blessing. One day or another...

there's no such a thing as ancient persian culture.

you don't get it do you? it's all lies.

persian was the language of villages and vallies of Northern-khorasan, today afqanistan. 2000 years ago arabs invaded iran. this was a turning point in the history of persian language, because persian language adapted the needed vocabulary for its survival, 1000 later turks gaind power and iran was about to be rulled one more mellenia by strong turks.

During this era, Iranians would use arabic as the language of science, farsi as the langu