Blogcritics Comments on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Comment by RK on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:38:22 EDT

Why did all my posts get pulled? I know I'm not the first one to bring this up so it cant be your filters dont make that excuse. All I did was bring up the fact that here in Santa Ana there is rampant Voter Fraud. But when you mention it instead of busting the thousands of illegal alien voters (who are registerd demorats they hunted down the 11 republican illigal alien voters they could find and put hem in jail and have them on the fast track to deportation. :( That actually heppened yesterday. Tan is intimidating voters you say? hmpf.... just look at the legal intimidation sanchez has been pulling for years. Why's it legal? Because always been allowed if it's by liberals, bottom line. Yeah... I take voting seriously with all the rampant fraud going on over here.

Comment by don on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:37:58 EDT

"If the letter is well intended, why is Mr. Nguyen denying his authorship?" Why? Maybe his attorney(s) advised him to do so. Any how, Mr. Nguyen wasn't a well known politician. Now the media is running campaign for Mr. Nguyen, free of charges.

Comment by I. Pena on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:12:45 EDT

1. If the letter is well intended, why is Mr. Nguyen denying his authorship? 2. If the letter is not intended to intimidate, why does it mention a database that not even exist? 3. If the letter is intended to encourage citizens to vote, why does it say that in the US there are no incentives to vote?

Comment by Nancy on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:04:38 EDT

Nguyen sounds like the kind of LEGAL immigrant we do want in this country; at least he's educated enough & honest enough to know the laws and abide by them. I'd vote for him.

Comment by Captain Nemo on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:38:35 EDT

Q:　Regardless of your party affiliation, is Mr Nguyen really the type of person you want representing you and your interest? A: No, he is not. Q: 624 out of what? Sanchez won by 984 votes. 748 votes were found to have been cast illegally, including 624 by non-citizens. It is quite possible that more illegal votes would have been found in a more thorough search, but nobody wants to upset the applecart. Technically, there is no indication that the illegal votes were all (or mainly) cast for Sanchez. However, everyone's working assumption is that Sanchez was the principal beneficiary. Captain Nemo's QUESTION: What's the deal with the "benefits" mentioned in the letter? Do Mexicans get a tax break or payment for voting? (There are such laws in some countries.)

Comment by DK on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:38:59 EDT

Regardless of your party affiliation, is Mr Nguyen is really the type of person you want representing you and your interest? First, he's a Democrat, then he's a Republican. What will he be in the next election? I hear that the Libertarian party is trying to diversify. Ultimately, it sounds like he's a power-hungry wannabe politician who is willing to put-up any kind of front to achieve his own selfish goals. BTW, if the letter is legit, why isn't Tan admitting that he was involved in mailing the letter? He's still denying that he knew about the letter in the first place and has continue to place the responsibility on his "office manager" whom he first fired and apparently has re-extended the position. Who's Sergio Ramirez? Why didn't Mr. Nguyen use his own letterhead or name? I'm sure CCIR would have loved to partner with the Nguyen campaign in sending out a joint letter? Why not be more forthcoming then? Does free speech cover deceit also? "After a careful comparison between the Orange County voter registration files and INS databases the Task Force was able to clearly and convincingly document that 624 persons had illegally registered and thus were not eligible to cast ballots in the November 1996 election." Is that in the entire county? 624 out of what? About a million? I'm not sure if that's enough to sway any election.

Comment by Captain Nemo on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:43:15 EDT

thom simons raises a good point. However, it is not THE point here. THE point is whether Nguyen improperly intimidated CITIZENS to deter them from voting. If the letter deterred NON-citizens from voting, GOOD. The question about impersonating another organization is largely a matter to be resolved between Nguyen's campaign and "California Coalition for Immigration Reform". One should be careful not to jump to conclusions here. Permission to use an organization's name in an election context is often granted informally and/or outside normal reporting channels. It is also quite possible that someone at the Coalition did authorize the letter, but is now denying it due to heavy political pressure from both sides of the political spectrum.

Comment by thom simons on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:14:35 EDT

You are all missing the point. Why would a candidate send the letter regardless if it can be interpreted to be factual in its interpretation of the law. The letterhead was forged. I thing that evil little group of Orange County Young Republicans is to blame....

Comment by Captain Nemo on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:37:51 EDT

Contrary to the much-repeated tropes in the MSM, the letter does draw a clear distinction between naturalized citizens and non-naturalized "emigrants" (sic - the letter does not use the word "immigrant"). A copy of the letter, together with a very passable translation is posted Note that the first paragraph specifically urges citizens to vote: "If you are a U.S. Citizen, I urge you to participate in the democratic process of voting." By necessary elimination, the rest of the letter speaks to those who are NOT citizens, i.e., legal and illegal immigrants who have not been naturalized. Neither group is allowed to vote. NOTE: Unlike native-born Americans, naturalized immigrants are required to pass a citizenship test. Bottom line: the letter will not have deterred a single citizen from voting. It is core free speech, whoever sent it out, and certainly does not qualify as a threat. Illegal voting is a major issue in Orange County. A congressional investigation found: After a careful comparison between the Orange County voter registration files and INS databases the Task Force was able to clearly and convincingly document that 624 persons had illegally registered and thus were not eligible to cast ballots in the November 1996 election. Full report

Comment by Sylvia Muffaleto on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:32:02 EDT

Actually, it's a desparate candidate trying to supress voter turnout, but nice try at the misdirection. Next time consider using facts to back up your assertions, although considering how wrong-headed they are, that might explain why you didn't.

Comment by Nancy on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:58:07 EDT

This is either Hispanic organizations interested in open borders and illegals having the same privileges as citizens, or the GOP intent on backstabbing because Tan won't be their puppet; in OC, a bad & powerful combination of odd bedfellows indeed.

Comment by Sylvia Muffaleto on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:52:30 EDT

Good luck, Don, as it's rather late to register for this next election. Also, if there was nothing wrong then why didn't Tan use his own letterhead rather than the letterhead of California Coalition for Immigration Reform, an anti-illegal immigration organization?

Comment by don on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:38:09 EDT

As a U.S. citizen, I have never tried to vote in the pass. This year I am going to register and vote. I will support Mr. Tan. I don't see any crime being commited in the letter. This is just dirty politic, trying to interpet the letter for what it wasn't intended for.

Comment by Sylvia Muffaleto on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:38:26 EDT

"Before I get into this, I should point out that a person seeking to get elected to Congress isn't likely to switch parties between elections when it becomes evident that he can't knock out the incumbent" Sanchez used to be a Republican when she first ran for Anaheim City Council in '94, and went back to her maiden name when she ran in '96. "It is true that immigrants that are not citizens are not permitted to vote." "It is illegal for non-citizens to vote." The letter didn't make that distinction. Emphasis added: "You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time." It is purposely misleading to temper the Hispanic vote. The Orange County Republican Party has called for Tan's resignation, but you guys can continue carrying a torch for him.

Comment by Seven of Six on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:16:39 EDT

I found it ironic that Tan Nguyen is an immigrant himself. Learned the Rovian technique and tactics quick however! Or got some really, really bad advice!

Comment by Ray McCauley on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:27:02 EDT

Tan Nguyen Won my vote, Loretta Sanchez stole here seat and really should step down, before some one puts her down. November 7 2006. 60% of the votes for Sanchez where from illegal's that have no right to vote in the US.

Comment by RJ Elliott on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:42:37 EDT

When the lovely Loretta Sanchez first won office, it was in a very close election in which illegal immigrants are known to have illegally voted (presumably for her). Tan Nguyen might be an ass, but the letter his campaign sent out was largely correct. It is illegal for non-citizens to vote. And it should be.

Comment by Sgtmajorbrad on When Ambition Rules: Tan Nguyen and the Orange County Controversy

Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:05:55 EDT

I don't see what the furor is all about the letter. All of the slant points to the omission of word citizen and the biased interpretation of that omission in context with the word immigrant. It is true that immigrants that are not citizens are not permitted to vote. Why is this not explained and emphasized for clarity. Here is where the pro-immigrant society wants to create hate and discontent and push the meaning of this letter out of what I feel was the original intent. I see no one villifying those that promote illegal aliens illegally voting or the Mexican government interfering in our politics.