Blogcritics Comments on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:55:37 EDT

Mark Minter , Managing Director of Power Plate has recently signed a statement ( 12/6/2008 ) basically saying that...... (1) Their machines have never had any problems with not running to their advertised specs , and everyone else is lying including "apparent" technicians that performed the tests . (2) If their machines do not work as advertised for some reason then that's Ok by Power Plate standards. (3) Power Plate deny all knowledge that the machines did not operate to spec and only admit they has noise problems. (4) Power Plate are allowed as a "right" to use other companies and machines test results to sell their products. (5) They deny swapping photos on research reports and "if they did" they do not believe this to be dishonest. (6) It was not dishonest to use Dr Marco Cardinales name without permission. (7) They deny tricking a disabled person to do an advertising shot for them , and this person never complained or called then "unscrupulous marketers " . (8) He then goes on to say that because they can use celebrity endorsements , a disabled persons endorsement does not register in the same "context". We can take from the above denials and accusations of other people lying that Power Plate have learnt nothing from their past mistakes. So we must continue to warn the consumer that they are still highly unethical and cant be trusted .....

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:17:45 EDT

Sergio... ( caught up with me at vibrationtraing.net ) Hope the info halped. Industry news.... The new HyperGravity range is getting good reviews. These machines really are a step up and I believe the commercail units will do very well in the gym market. Power Plate have just been caught again.... Claiming their machines to be Class 1 medical devices , only one problem..... Both KEMA and TUV the organizations responsable for such listings say a Vibration platform has to be a class 2A , class 1 is only for low risk medical device like plasters and bandages. It is obvious Power Plate are bending the truth again to fool the consumer. Truly earning the title as the most unethical company our industry has witnessed.

Comment by sergio on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:52:47 EDT

Lloyd I live in Mexico City and i want to buy a Vibration machine to use in my home, i never do any kind of exercise and i just want to start to do it, one of my big problems is i just not have a lot of time to do it. What kind of machine you recomend me to start

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:16:29 EDT

Confirmation.... "Europlate" pays ..$208 ( U.S.) from the factory in Asia not Europe. How much are they trying to charge .....$1699 (U.S.) Misleading , unethical, ripoffs artists.

Comment by Lynn on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Fri, 30 May 2008 09:40:03 EDT

after trying to find out info about a new(well its new in South Africa) therapy\exercise I obviously ran into Lloyd online and his articles, his honesty and not trying to sell his product impressed me and I sent him a mail trying to find out if I could purchase one of his franchises for south Africa (opening myself right up for a hard sell i know) BUT he didn't , infact he put me onto someone he deems as ethical in SA to try starting up independantly but to come back for any help if I need!! from an honesty\ethical perspective i'd have to say you can't fault the guy.

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:35:43 EDT

Why is the Vibration Training market so hard to understand ? This is a question I am being asked constantly now with most people getting very confused as to what to buy , why and from whom. I will quickly explain below the concerns I have and how the confusion surrounding this industry is deliberate and why I am so hard on those selling dodgy machines. (1) If a machine is not built to a good standard not only will it not work for long ( reports of broken units coming in hard and fast lately ) ,but it may not work at all. Combine that with the injury risks from uncontrolled 3D units or machines running at incorrect Fq its just not worth it. (2) Simply creating a "Vibration" is not Vibration Training , if it was that simple then we would have had this science up and running 100yrs ago , correct ? The only people you will hear say otherwise are the same marketers/manufacturors that would sell you fake Aids drugs . (3) If a machine is built to the level of a proper Vibration Training device the correct postures needed when in contact with the unit becomes so important that unsupervised use actually becomes irresponsable. ( education of the buyer is very important here ) (4) If the program does not match the unit , even the best machine can become an injury trap. Why is this not told to you.... To some involved in this industry , taking your money is just a game , with the fact they are selling you a health product to be used on your body not even considered. They risk some capital , you risk your spine , and the expanding obesity crisis comes second to their expanding bank accounts. This is the game they are playing with you and why it looks so confusing from the outside...... In chess you have 3 stages to a game. (1) Opening (2) Middle game (3) End game Opening.... In the opening players set up their defences and potential attacks. If a photo of the game around move 10 was shown to most other players they could basically work out whats going on even if they had not witnessed the game up till that point. Our opening was the "real" industry building good quality units , testing units , doing R&D or opening places to access them safetly. Middle Game.... This is where you will see pieces scattered all around the board in what appears to be a random order, a photo of a middle game would tell an outside player little as to others stratagies and past movements, this is YOU the consumer at the moment , looking at a middle game and wondering why it looks so disorganaized. This is where the marketers like to step into the game , making off the confusion and doing their upmost to make out they are a part of the "real" industry , relying on the presumption you will just get tired of hearing conflicting information and flow like water to the nearest/cheapest dealer. Their mantra of " but at least at this price you arnt risking much " sounds logical, except for the risk to you future health that is not being discussed. The dishonest marketers/manufacturors ( about 160 out of 180 at last count ) have relied on this confusion period to be of 5yrs minimum from the introduction of Vibration Training to your country, so they can make back their investments. They fully understand the risks to you. My aim is this , to shorten the " Middle Game " buy releasing so much marketing free information to the consumer as to collapse their plan and give them a very expensive lesson at the same time. And yes I am aware how aggressive and condescending this sounds. The end game is yet to come.... A group of us have made it our relentless endevour to have a clean industry where the end game has no losers but those who should not have been playing with your health in the first place. If you are still confused , my advice is to wait for us to finish our work. In the mean time education is your only weapon. Keep reading , keep asking.....

Comment by Fitness Consultants on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:38:46 EDT

This is an interesting debate...folks are literally debating who is the best, who is most honest, and which specific results can be verified according to "white paper" analysis. Hey, we all know that with enough time and money...perhaps both, anyone can suggest they have all of the answers. I have called several manufacturers...spoken at length with some, and I am of the opinion that only time will sort this out. Personally, I love the Jack LaLanne day's...a person could watch, follow, and participate regularly with exercise demonstrated in ways that an average person could appreciate. In today's world you have to have the best "mouse-trap" to get any attention (marketplace). So I'm putting this out there: If you (manufacturer) can express to our readers (in the form of video, flash or layman's text), clients, and website visitors, the validity and efficacy of your whole body vibration machine - then I will send them your way, free of charge. Please feel free to visit Simplefit.net Fitness Consultants.

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:01:42 EST

Industry news... VibraSlim have released the following statement... " BEWARE of Chinese machines, they will fall apart" They are the same people that supplied Chinese made units for extreme prices. They plan to release a new machine called the "EuroPlate " , to feed off the anti-Chinese backlash they have helped create.

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:33:29 EST

If you choose this type of therapy for your child ( what does her specialist think ? ) my advice would be to use a Lineal plate. As effective Lineal/static poses are hard enough to show someone so young , Pivotal would make it damn near impossable. I would have a look at something very light and cheap like a soloflex, if you are to do this my advice is to not listen to the sales reps but educate yourself. Go to vibrationtraining.net and start reading , and dont stop untill you have covered all the topics. Then make a choice.

Comment by Kara on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:26:05 EST

Hello everyone- I have just spent a good dealof time reading many of the posts on this blog about WBV therapy and I was hoping for some input from those of you who have doen a whole lot more research than I have. My husband and I have a beautiful 2.5 year old daughter with a terminal genetic disease. Physical manifestations include low muscle mass, ataxia (balance problems), bone density issues, growth issues. We have been looking at WBV therapy as an option to help her manage these symptoms as there is really no other treatment options available right now. We were contacted by a TurboSonic rep and have considered trying to lease one of their machines, but after reading this blog I wonder if the pivotal or triangular machines are better for her particular needs. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Kara

Comment by Giovanni Ciriani on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:16:12 EST

Marcel, you don't really need a graph to calculate "G" acceleration: G = ((F*6.28)^2 * A/2)/9.8 where F is the frequency in Hz and A is the amplitude in meters. If you enter the amplitude in millimeters (or mm), the value of the expression is approximated with a 1% accuracy by G = F/10 * F/10 * 0.2 * mm For example at 30 Hz and 2 mm you obtain G= 3 * 3 * 0.2 * 2 = 3.6 g It's only high-school physics! Regards, Giovanni Ciriani

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Thu, 1 Nov 2007 01:01:38 EDT

It is a program. If you e-mail me I can send it to you. But remember it does not account for the rest of the equation that make up the action of a vibration platform. Only allows you to play with the mass/acceration formula of the person. And thats if the machine has no drop off.

Comment by Marcel on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:51:31 EDT

Lloyd Thanks for the assist. Great site. I actually like you guys "challenging" each other. Only WBV can benefit of it. In one of the posting you mention a graph to calculate the G force. Where do I find it?

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:46:37 EDT

I have yet to see a single paper with the appropriate information. Very poor science indeed. Have you checked out vibrationtraining.net

Comment by Marcel on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:12:29 EDT

Lloyd I would like to encourage anybody who is interested in information regarding "whole body vibration" to visit the following site www.pubmed.gov this will open the following link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/ Go to "Clinical Queries" and type in any topic in the Search by Clinical Study Category. It will open a list with the most recent published studies and controlled trials. You are right with your remarks about the Fq and Ampl. There is a much more complex relationship between the two. The type of motor, 1 or 2 motors and the HP are very relevant. How this effects in strength gain, osteoporosis and so on is left to the researchers. It this point I consider a vibration platform as an ideal vehicle to exercise and rehab my clients. It allows me to get people to exercise that are truly deconditioned and believe me it is not a lazy person's exercise device.

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:40:01 EDT

Marcel... You will find alot of the past research is invalid , as sometimes no tests where done on the machines ( manufacturors specs used only ) . And others only had Fq and Ampl done , which are useless without the other measurements. One recent major 3 yr study has been effected by the dishonesty of the manufacturor.

Comment by Marcel on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:17:17 EDT

I ran into this site when looking for research papers related to whole body vibration.I have about one hundred articles and abstracts some of them published recently based on not just case studies but on double blind studies. I respect criticism both positive and negative, but it looks that most of you simply go to the vendors' websites for articles. That makes it very easy to "kill" the concept of vibration training or therapy. Most of them are copy cats, the research is old and indead they indicate applications that are false or at least to some extent. I really would encourage all of you who are interested in finding out what true research teams are finding. I have been in rehab and wellness for over 30 years and I have seen many new modalities and procedures been critized and been on the chopping block: microcurrent, isokinetics, myofascial release, cold laser just to name a few. Just like these vibartion training or whatever name it is given will be around. It works if used as a true exercise or rehab tool with the necessary rational approach.

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:55:46 EDT

The Notice for PowerPlate N.Z. Ltds liquidation has appaired in the N.Z. Herald on 25th October 2007. I the Plantiff Lloyd Shaw will complete this action on the 12th November in the High Court . This kind of action in and out of court will continue until PowerPlate has either... (a) Apologised for its past behaviour and negotiates a settlement for those effected by it unethical practices. (b) Is dismantled globally. I will do what it takes to give our industry an example of what not to do....

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:55:40 EDT

Scam Alert... It would seem that the same marketers that plagiarised my work to try and sell cheap Asian machines have now set up their own association in the U.S. and Canada... The American Vibration Fitness Trainers Association (AVFTA) To prove they have not learnt their lesson they have again plageriarised mine and Vibrationtraining.nets work to now try and convince people to buy courses and memberships. Charging personal trainers and manufacturors up to $1500 to get information that will be available for free. "The AVFTA offers... training certification and the HIGHEST ETHICAL STANDARDS. The AVFTA system was developed by a group of leading vibration trainers from the U.S. and Canada. I assume these are the same folk who had to steal others work to do their job last time. Where can I sign up ? And how do I know all this... VibraSlim ...( the past offending company ) was registered under the name eNom Canada Corp through Atjeu Publishing Llc - Texas - Houston. The new... American Vibration Fitness Trainers Association (AVFTA)... has been registered under the name Enom .Inc through Atjeu Publishing Llc - Houston - Texas Greed and stupidity go so well together. I hope this again highlights the real dangers though of these scammers and shows everybody why communication within the "real" industry must be maintained even though we may be in competition with each other. Members of the I.V.T.R.B. will be sent a list of the actual people behind this.

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:31:40 EDT

I allow no exercises to be done on the toes at all , I believe the risks outweight the benefits. Leave this one for the gym. Yes shoes are a good idea as they spread the load over your foot and give better grip. Leave out the lunge if any knee problems. Far to dodgy and hard to judge if being done properly. Again risks may outweight benefits. If you want to find out if it is the toe pressure is causing irritation to your knees , try doing your squats with your toes not even touching the platform by placing a foam mat under your feet with your toes hanging off the front.

Comment by YB on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:01:00 EDT

Lloyd Sorry one more question. What is the difference between the Bullet and Standard exercises. Thanks for your patience

Comment by YB on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:53:46 EDT

Lloyd, Its the same exercise you would do on the edge of a step where you allow your heals to push down so that you are exercising your calves. Whereas here the heels go off the plate and only the toes remain on. But I think I see now where my problems lies after having a good look at your site showing the actual positions and the explanations you give of how to stand. I have been doing the lunge exercise which on your workout states not to be done with knee problems. I presume I should discontinue doing this one? Also I have not been told to make sure I am keeping my feet flat on the plate as well as when to look straight up and when to look down. So this will be something I will take note of at my next workout. I am always looking down so that may account for slight pain in the back of my neck! I have noticed on all your workouts they wear shoes. Is this necessary or can you do it barefoot, as this is how we have been doing them?

Comment by Lloyd Shaw on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:32:47 EDT

Sorry it is hard to understand from description. Anr you on you heels , flat footed of just toes.

Comment by YB on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Sun, 9 Sep 2007 05:40:51 EDT

Llyod Thanks very much for all that info. There is one exercise they make me do where my heels are pushed down off the machine so I'm not quite on my toes would this put pressure on the knees? Di. Thanks for all the site info I will go and check it out.

Comment by Di Heap on The "Research" Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

Sun, 9 Sep 2007 05:30:50 EDT

Here are the two links that Lloyd suggested: Workout Exercises and Safety First Workout Explained