Shouldn't this bve posted under "Satire"?

"we invaded Iraq, where we've whacked maybe 30,000 civilians (some say over 100,000)"

So the standard is higher for the U.S.? If someone kills civilians because they don't like the U.S. hanging out in Iraq those get counted as U.S. kills? Every other nation and figure you mentioned was where a country kills with their own bombs or by the hands of their own army but with the U.S. we don't even have to kill to get thrown under the rug as killing 30 - 100k civilians we just have to be the reason some extremist from some Arab country kills an Iraqi. Let the terrorists get credit for their own kills.

Just like most other breathtakingly misguided oversimplifications of history, this was not intended as satire, so there is no need to label it as such.

I know a point was trying to be made in the first couple paragraphs, however, I am a Jew and I know a survivor, but not anyone killed in the Holocaust.

bush is drinking again.
isreal is killing innocent children in the name of god.
christian women in the usa are killing their children because god told them to.
iraqi children are loosing parents because people with small penisis create wars.

a backlash against isreal is coming up.

the world is going to shit.

thank god for me

jack jett

Jack, it is amazing that their are people as stupid as you in this world. Israel were the ones who have conceded land to the Palestine over the past 10 years and are still being attacked. Remember it was Hezbulah that crossed the line, killed Isralis and captured soldiers. Israel has every right to do what their doing and then some.

"Jack, it is amazing that their are people as stupid as you in this world. Israel were the ones who have conceded land to the Palestine over the past 10 years and are still being attacked."

Erm...if by 'conceded land' you mean 'stopped occupying Palestinian land', then yes. Even though, in the West Bank, the settlements have continued to expand.

Jamie, I noticed you are unable to defend the un-provoked capturing and killing of the soldiers. Once again, Israel has every right to do what there doing.

Where are you anyway, Jamie. England? I know that Israel was once home to you and you visit it from time to time (when the Arabs aren't attacking us) but can't you defend you own people at least? Is it too much to ask that a Jew stand up for his own? If you had been in the Warsaw ghetto, or in Lodz, would you have been justifying the actions of the Nazis and criticizing us for "provocations?"


I'm sorry Adam, this guy Jamie upsets me far more than Hamas or Nasrallah. They are clear and honest. They want to kill us and let us know very clearly and in a hundred diffrent ways.

Jamie is one of the Tribe. But he condemns us from the safety of Europe and suffers none of the risks of trying to survive the violence and terror of the people he so ardently defends. At least Uri Avneri lives here. So a terrorist's bomb can rip him to shreds as easily as it can me.

Now, Adam, let's get to your article.

You were making far more sense when you observed that Jews have had to contemplate their own extermination. Your A-A theory for killing - better labeled A-A' - is interesting and may even make sense, but I find it a bit hard to swallow.

Just a minor point. When you have to contemplate your own extermination, it is easier (not more moral, just easier) to contemplate someone else's. So, for example that dam in southern Egypt used to control the flow of the Nile, if destroyed, would kill off enough Egyptians (around 50 million) to satisfy Jews in terms of the numbers using your theory. But it still wouldn't do the job - not because of bloodlust - but because of the strategic factors involved. The enemy is all around, not just in Egypt.

Good theory Adam. Take the Japanese in WWII for example, I think the ratio there was about 22:1
Germany counting the fire bombing of Dresden...not sure exactly, but you may have a good twist on this....War after all is a numbers game isn't it. We keep score for ever more. Problem is these numbers have children, are children, have husbands/wives, sisters/brothers.
What a world huh?
We can blog away with satire arguing who's right or who's wrong and more numbers die. Leaving more grieving numbers. The numbers on the one evil side started because they captured 2 in Israel, so we have to kill 240, because we have 6 million to remember. I don't know about you, but the Guy I follow says that do unto 1 as you would have 1 do unto you and 1 minus 1 does not equal 2.

LEBANESE HOLOCAUST
What have the chosen people been chosen to do?
Over-react is the new Jewish term for murder, thanks for the update.

Adam,
I may be wrong but weren't we already in Afghanistan for a while before 9/11?

And I think that we invaded Iraq because they were holding, in ready to use against us, Weapons of Mass Destruction.

As a matter of fact I don't believe to this day that we have actually punished one single Mother Fucker for destroying 2 of the tallest buildings in the world or attacking OUR PENTAGON which represents the STRENGTH of our United States and the murder of 3000+ of our citizens!

if the jews just wanted to kill bunches and bunches of arabs, they would. i mean, they've got the nukes. instead, they are launching a military campaign (in response to an overt casus belli by arabs) with the intention of minimizing civilian (arab) casualties.

alix

yes, thankfully there are people out there as stupid as me because we are the ones that are far too ignorant to be fearful to call a spade a spade....

jack jett
ignorant savant

"isreal [sic] is killing innocent children in the name of god."

Is "killing innocent children" Israel's goal? No. But that IS Hezbollah's goal...

"iraqi children are loosing [sic] parents because people with small penisis [sic] create wars."

That's not even worth responding to...

"thank god for me"

There are a thousand good reasons to thank God. You ain't one of them...

whats all that about theories and all my friend ...it needs no long speaches , whatever u say is only common sense , u just wasted 10 minutes of my time

oh mr. r.j.

then i must have misunderstood the news. i thought i had heard some children had been killled in syria and lebanon by the overreaction of isreal.

jack jett

None of the people here bitching about Israel have proposed a single alternate solution to stopping hezbollah...just an observation.

The problem is not Hezbollah. The problem is Israelis and Palestinians like killing each other more than they like to negotiate with each other.

When you give a pass and make excuses to Hezbolah, Syria and Iran you allow them to continue to kill. If a stand is not made by the UN, Israel and Lebanon then they will continue to kill. It may not be pretty, but someone needs to force Hez. out of Lebanon. Good for Israel.

Why is it that Bush won't say a Goddamn word about Israel our supposed ally, bombing the shit out of one of his fledging examples of democracy. Who is the actual world power here? Is this the tail wagging the dog? Why is that when the middle east is following the Bush doctrine of Democracy spreading that we can allow Israel to go in and undo the entire thing. To top it off, they apparently have declared war on Christianity judging by the amount of bombing they're doing to Lebanon.

Once again Martin, you excuse Hezbolah. Why aren't you asking why is the nation not condeming Hezbolah and their actions. Why is this the fault of Israel. They were not the one to capture and kill first. That can not be forgotten. Bush can easily stand behind Israel and start a war, but you would be mad at him for that. The hypocracy is amazing.

I don't excuse Hezballah, but I didn't see the US going all willy nilly with a bombing campaign when our soldiers or citizens were kidnapped or beheaded by whatever Jihadists faction captured them. Bush is basically standing behind Israel and letting them do what he really wants, yet he is the one that promoted democracy to take place in Gaza and in Lebanon. Yet Israel didn't like the results and we followed their direction in not supporting the results. Bush will hope Israel cleans out Hezballah and then he'll ask them to stop bombing them. Israel has a right to defend itself, but where does defense stop and outright massacre of Christians stop? I thought Bush was a Christian?

The reason Bush didn't go all willy nilly is because lefty liberals in Congress and the Senate and the media attack him for being strong with terrorists Israel doesn't care what libersl think about them. They believe in defending themselves at all costs.

So Bush would have bombed power plants in the Sunni Triangle if the liberals hadn't stopped him? That's how he would have "crushed" the insurgency?

He would have leveled more of the city with bombs before sending in ground troops. However, since people seem to forget that there are casualties in war, he is not able to do that. Same goes for Afganistan. They have no regard for our human life or anyone elses. As long we continue to be nice politically correct, they will kill us and everyone else..

Americans don't bomb innocent civilians for a couple of soldier kidnappings.....not even Bush.
Once he took his photo-op aboard the aircraft carrier and declared an end to major combat operations, then he essentially stopped his war. Aside from Falluja, there wasn't indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets and certainly none of the power stations, bridges or airports were bombed. The point of this is like Ash stated it would appear that the Israeli's are so sensitive to the possibility of genocide that they take extreme measures that appear on the verge of paranoia. Certainly one could say and I know you will, that the Arabs all publicly state their objective is to wipe Israel off of the globe, but then the Arabs too operate from a severe case of a delusional inferiority complex that can be traced back to Cyrus the Great. Nonetheless, as Ash point out in the numbers game 2 paranoid delusional peoples trying to occupy 1 piece of desert wasteland, doesn't equal 0 deaths.

Never forget that Hitler whacked six million Jews

Actually not nearly that many. I'd like to see the body count. The problem is that the Jewish population "recovered" to pre-war levels way faster than would have been possible if anywhere near that many had been killed. Of course the Jews would like to hang on to that inflated figure because of the sympathy it earns for them. But impartial, objective, unbiased scientific observers have come to the conclusion that the number was probably less than a million, most of whom were killed, not by the Nazis, but rather by starvation when their food supplies were cut off by the Allied carpet bombing of German cities.

BTW, I could get several years in prison in just about every country of Europe, and in Canada, if the thought/speech control police in those modern-day medieval tyrannies ever got wind that I had even suggested that the number might be less than the approved, "orthodox" figure of six million - and I kid you not, that's the inquisitional term they actually use - orthodox!

unbelievable - a holocaust denier

do you really believe that crap Richard - ?

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Here we go with the numbers game again.
Let me see if you take 1 dumb racists, multiply it with another dumb racist of the same pure white bloodline, you get many dumb white kids living in a trailer wondering when the blacks and browns and yellows are gonna come looking for them.....
It's all in the numbers

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Richard Brodie, holocaust denier!

Is this the first outing of a Holocaust denier on Blogcritics? My god, Blogcritics attain ultimate success -- even Holocaust deniers read us now.

Eric Olsen, take note: the fame of your invention has spread to all comers.

Just as it would be fruitless for Israel to diplomatically reason with terorists, there is no point in responding to someone as thick as a Holocaust denier.

Adam - Aside from the fallacious reasons you give in paragraph 2 of your article, the reason that the Jews have a score to settle from the days of the Holocaust is faulty as well.

The only reason Israel launches any offensive attack on Hezbollah or Hamas is purely defensive in nature. If there were no reason for Israel to take steps to further protect itself or secure its borders, it wouldn't.

However, by Hezbollah and Hamas, this is not the case. Various leaders of these terrorist groups have openly declared their intent to wipe Israel off the map and to kill every Jew and infidel as a means to accomplish jihad. It doesn't stop with Israel. These people are fascist at heart and strive for the destruction of the western hemisphere and for global domination.

Just as one could have read Mein Kampfe before and during World War II, one can actually see and hear the murderous intentions of these terrorists every day on al-manar and al-jazeera television stations. They need to be bombed off the face of the Earth because there is no reasoning with them.

The world is in an era of troubles. Something should be done.

While I doubt Brodie's numbers, he is correct in stating that such a "politically-incorrect" public comment would land him in jail in numerous "free" countries in the West...

"Defensive" doesn't mean bombing poor Lebanon to smithereens. Half a million Lebanese have fled their homes -- this is the result of "defensive" action? Pleeeze.

Adam, if you happen to know of where Hezbollah has any rocket launchers placed far away from all civilian homes and businesses, I'm sure the Israeli Air Force would be happy to receive the target coordinates from you. Oh, but wait. There aren't any such places.

You fail to assign a fair share of the blame to Hezbollah for hiding all of their military hardware behind civilians. Thus your bias becomes clear and undercuts your credibility.

The suffering of the Palestinian refugees is a fact. Israel is not the only cause of their suffering, and is not the only country that could do something to reduce it. This is also a fact. Only the biased ignore one of these facts while constantly attempting to draw the world's attention to the other.

While I doubt Brodie's numbers, he is correct in stating that such a "politically-incorrect" public comment would land him in jail in numerous "free" countries in the West

And the Jews are now pushing hard on two fronts, control of the internet, and "hate-speech" laws, to make criticism of Zionists, holocaust "denial", etc. crimes in America as well.

And be careful about saying that you only "doubt" my numbers. Someday THAT could get you into trouble because you almost seem to be admitting that there is some possibility, howsoever slight, that they may be more correct than the "orthodox" numbers.

Your safest CYA position would be to say something like "Brodie's ideas about the Holocaust are full of shit."

Hey Adam, Lebanon can't have their cake and eat it too. They either take a side against Hezbollah and force them out of their country or they suffer the ramifications. They have had plenty of time to remove Hezbollah.

The arguments about hiding their launchers etc..in civilian areas is pretty weak. Where would they hide them? Putting them in the open wouldn't be considered hiding I don't think. Assuming that all these people are murderous by nature and wanting to eliminate them all is exactly what they think the Israel and the West wants to do to them. Their inferiority complex developed since the fall of their empires of the past causes them to attack others for their ill fate. Some of which is understandably when you look at the history of some of their leaders of the past trumped up and put in place by the West. Meanwhile they are fighting what they think to be a noble cause and have used slingshots in the past, those being hidden in the bedrooms of the civilian population. Now they have rockets and since they have no military force to speak of, no bases, no tanks, they pull them out of from underneath their beds. As far as Lebanon controlling Hezbollah, they can't and it was Hezbollah that was the only protection for the Lebanese during the past occupation by Israel.
Taking the AAKILLRATIO theory one step further we see that the Arabs must believe that need to kill 30 Jews for every martyed Jihadist. So, one suicide bomber = 30 Jews divided by 30 virgins means that for every woman that dies from an Israeli bomb, then an Arab must multiply himself by 5 wifes times 2 children and add blow up one.

Lebanon can ask for help to remove Hezbollah. They have not and not sure they want too. They seem to agree that all of Israel should burn. As for the virgins. Get over it. That is not worth killing people. As I said Lebanon can't have their cake and eat it too.

Is Israel trying to kill all the Christians?

Israel is not trying to kill Christians. The real question is, Who aren't the muslims trying to kill?

Well since you previously called for their extermination, I can't blame them for wanting to kill you for one. Don't you see the irony?
You believe that you are being nice and politically correct and now it's time to go back to dealing with them with a heavy hand. Well I contend that that has always been the case and it hasn't worked yet. So negotiate and take the higher moral ground and stay there always.

The higher ground means 6 feet under.

Good can't negotiate with hate.

hey, my daddy the preacher man says those folks over there will never get alone. they are not meant to get along. they enjoy making each others lives miserable. so i say, let em go at it. let's bring all our boys home, take care of some issues at home and ....fuck the rest.

if you really want to know

that is what jesus would do.

he told me so.

jack jett

ever wonder why hizbollah was showing restraint since 2000, and suddenly attacked the israelis in support of hamas against israeli destruction in gaza?

suppose ive answered mine own question.

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gazelle - *ever wonder why hizbollah was showing restraint since 2000*

perhaps because its handlers (Syria - ?...Iran - ?) needed the time to arm it with rockets etc after Israel ended its occupation of Lebanon

while you pretend to reason you are blind to the obvious if it doesn't support your predjudice

troll

# 48 troll:
argh!

no it was a commitment too that they kept. you need to give them credit for that.

but the failure to tackle the disparity issue between isreal and palestinians / neighbors remained as a good reason to re-arm. and it was time to do that, no doubt, given israeli military power and blind ruthlessness.

it is also interesting to note that syria was pressured to get out of isreal with the democratic 'cedar revolution', only so that israel could assert its miltary might on it.

Question is: would it have happened, would hezbollah have attacked the IDF soldiers (in solidarity with hamas and against israeli destruction in gaza) has syria not left Lebanon ?

I doubt it. Things were more stable before. Now israel is taking a simple negotiating military swing to exert a little further in the region challenging iran and syria relatively directly, in order to arrive at a new equation of muscle in the region.

We are already seeing israel softening up. the move is over. The good thing is, after israeli withdrawals from lebanon, gaza and the west bank, and some of the buffers (such as hezbollah) moved around, there will hopefully be more space to solve the palestinian problem, rather than just shoddily ensuring oil interests or israeli security (such as it is) or maintaining a relative status quo.

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Gazelle - was arming to the teeth with scudish rockets part of that commitment that they kept - ?

and whose idea do you think that was...some Iranian perhaps - ?

my main wonder about hezbollah these days is what inspired them to engage in such a suicide mission - it appears that they brought 'knives to a gunfight' and are relying on the international 'community' to save their hides

troll

ps I'm glad to read you...I was afraid that I'd gone too far with the insults

hezbollah has been fighting israeli agression since 1982 with iranian help. no doubt.

but this is 2006. iran will not risk overt military help to hezbollah, but overt political help is not problematic for iran, because globally it is okay to check the israelis one way or another, despite all the "terrorist" rhetoric - most pronounced from israel-US-Blair. others dont use this language.

Its about the conditions people live in and are made to endure.

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*Its about the conditions people live in and are made to endure.*

were this the whole story I would expect the rockets to be aimed in a different direction

I think that you've already gone around on this subject of who bears the responsibility for treatment of the Arab Palestinians following the Nakba

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#52 troll:

I think you misinterpret. To clarify, the conditions do not justify the attacks, but they certainly are the major root cause of the conflict.

Also I am sure Hezbollah, and also Hamas and PLO, have had tense relations with many of the arab neighbors. so i dont have a simple picture of this. just have a look at the bickering at OIC or the arab league.

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(Gazelle - I understood that you were discussing cause not justification)

despite all the bickering between the Arabs the rockets are going into Israel - the improperly so called sole enemy of Palestinian Arabs

who continue to be used and abused by fellow Arabs

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as i said in #49, five days ago : its over

headlines
1. israel pulls out of gaza (jreusalem post)
2. bushblair call for urgent int'l force in leb (bbc)
3. israeli 'go ahead' outrageous - US State Dept (bbc)

BUT now lets get back to where we were : the Palestinian problem !

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With regards to 6 million whacked by Hitler, the atheist commie jew killed 10 million (final count to 1985 per www.jewwatch.com was 100 million, website by relative of slain Ukrainians) Russians during their grand revolution. Then the same commie Jews who were given haven in Germany during their 2 commie revolution attempts in Russia then turned on their host state and stated that the German race should be exterminated (ignoring pleas from Churchill who later looked the other way during Hitler's slaughter and blocked Jewish immigration to Israel). These atheist Jews can be traced back to the French revolution slaughter have never been brought under control by the Nationalist Jews thus the Jewish race has suffered slaughter for 2000 years when they seek to establish their atheist and corrupt lifestyle (gay, feminism, humanism) on the host country. So shouldn't Israel try something old like follow their laws arresting the godless left or send them to the liberal EU. This war will continue since the Hollywood/New York City leftist direct control of the US government thru media/courts/ACLU/black-allies/civil servants unions driving a weak world government. Release the US government and live else extermination (which Bin Laden will be happy to perform). What goes around comes around!
PS A Russian Jew I lived with stated his grandfather said the Bolsheviks commie Jews were just gangsters.