I was going to write something on the coverage of and reaction to Zarqawi's death, but this is so good, so directly on point, that I'm not sure what I'd write. Damn you for doing such a great job. Now I'll have to figure out a whole different angle.

BTW, I like the use of the term 'illiberal'. It's a good choice, since I'm a genuine liberal and I'm in the GOP because there's nothing liberal about the socialist hatefest that the Dems have become.

Dave

Yes the far left is incapable of giving credit where it's due if it does not fit into thier agenda to take over america. if something is obviously good for the nation but not them they will desparately spin it to make it look bad.

then they wonder why they can't win a fucking election with the people they back.

fuck em

Thanks Dave.

While I'm a conservative, I have nothing but lover for my liberal friends, which includes everyone in my family (except the ones I don't like:)

"nothing but love" is what I meant to type. Now my above comment sounds a little perverted.

So you guys have no problem with Bush taking four years to get al-Zarqawi?

It was such an easy thing to do.... we should have had him in 2 weeks right?

So, because it took four years it's NOT a good thing?

of course it's not clavos because it's bush and he's not playing left field so he gets no objectivity from the moonbats

bush could cure aids tomorrow and give the cure away for free and JP would say

So you guys have no problem with Bush taking four years cure Aids?

I think it comes down to how you define 'support'. The support liberals offer is a 'best wishes' type of support. It's more of a 'hope you don't die' support rather than a 'good luck killing the militants' support.

I don't support the war. And so maybe I don't support the actions of the troops either. But I think that this is a far cry from willing them harm.

Most liberal-centrists (ultra lefty's excluded) do support taking action against islamic terrorism. As such you cannot simply deem that lack of support for the current actions of the military translates to support for islamic militants.

Let's go back 10 years to the Clinton administration. During the 90's most conservatives did not support the actions of the military, being that it was not very active.

Can I conclude from this that at the time most conservitives sided with our enemies and hoped our troops were bombed in there barracks? Or should I assume that the conservative contention was not against the actual troops, but the policy makers behind their actions, or lack of actions.

Now i'm not defending Zarqawi, or the militants. I want them rid from this earth as much as Bush. And I agree that many comments from the left would fit in better on the tabloid conspiracy sites then in a serious political discussion. But if you label me anti-west because I believe that a strategy exists that will rid us of this scourge faster than the current bush strategy then what do I get to label you when if it turns out i'm proven right.

Just ones point of view. Now please, label away.

JR,

Obvously, it would have been nice to catch this jerk sooner, as the devil was getting lonely. But it's not as though this guy was hanging out in public places with a bright orange shirt (instead he was probably hiding behind children as most of these cowardly terrorists do).

Perhaps people can put aside their partisan views for just one day and celebrate our armed forces' amazing achievement.

So what's the big deal? Killing Zarqawi will be about as effective as the killing of Saddam's sons and the capture of Saddam. I still laugh at myself for the excitement I felt when those events happened. We are losing this war, and we need to get the hell out of Iraq.

We are losing this war, and we need to get the hell out of Iraq.

We just killed their general in Iraq, the organization's third-ranking scumbag, and this is your take on it? Amazing...

Dr Politico: Perhaps people can put aside their partisan views for just one day and celebrate our armed forces' amazing achievement.

So whenever the military achieves something, nobody should say anything critical for a day? That's quite a free pass Bush gets. I can imagine Bush supporters suddenly finding hundreds of amazing achievements.

I think it's sad that the guy who got in the way of killing al-Zarqawi four years ago isn't held accountable. It's not fair to the armed forces who offered to do the job but were held back, it's not fair to the soldiers and the thousands of Iraqis killed by al-Zarqawi since then, and it's not fair to the American public Bush promised to protect.

Yes, that is my take on it!!!! What did we accomplish when Saddam's sons were killed. Real big shots, remember? and what did we accomplish when Saddam was captured? That was going to be the day of all days.... Have things improved since then? NO!!!

DiseyMai. Sure glad you were not around during WWll. You are what old Doc Hitler ordered. Put your rump to the wind and run like hell. Would that have been your views during the Revolution? That would be the war of independence. Maybe you were absent at history class that day. So let's just give up, smoke a peace pipe and sit around out little pink TP and sing cubaya. Im feeling sooooooooooo senitive today. Well let me vomit dipstick.

sr

Yes, that is my take on it!!!! What did we accomplish when Saddam's sons were killed. Real big shots, remember? and what did we accomplish when Saddam was captured? That was going to be the day of all days.... Have things improved since then? NO!!!

Nothing above proves your assertion that we're LOSING the war, and you ignore first time ever free elections, a constitution, and numerous other tangible accomplishments, including the death of this scumbag. Wonder why the Iraqis are celebrating if it's no big deal?

Clavos, Right on and guess what. These shit heads are all DEAD. Can almost smell them rotting away. Just wish a big fat pork chop was shoved up their ass before they meet 75 arab sluts in HELL.

Check out PART 2: Zarqawi's Death from the Illiberals' Perspective -- Elected democrat officials are endorsing the illiberals' views.

Or check out a full day of terrorist whacking coverage here.

Dr. P. Do you want to amend your BC article with the additional material? We could edit it in.

Dave

"So you guys have no problem with Bush taking four years to get al-Zarqawi?"

Do you guys have any problem with Clinton repeatedly turning down offers to have Osama sent to the US for prosecution?

Dave (comment #1),

Call yourself a liberal or whatever else you like, but please don't insult socialists by calling the Democrats in the States by that title. Yeah, they sorta go along with the ideas of social democrats in Europe (sometimes) but they wouldn't know socialism if it slapped them in the face.

The fact that the Clinton administration named Osama bin Laden by in the 90's and didn't attempt to capturew the bastard then says something to counter the illibeal whiners Dr. Politico writes about.

Dr. Policito sez: "...Sadly, I think the ultra-illiberals would prefer news of Americans dying."

Shark sez: Wow! Ann Coulter is now writing on Blogcritics?!

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IRONY OF THE DAY:

Right Wing Blowhards
promoting their politics
by accusing "liberals"
of using news of Zarcowie's death
to promote their politics.

Feh.

PS: Mission Accomplished!" -- right, boyz?

double heh.

WORST HYPOCRITICAL IRONY OF THE DAY:

Dr. Politico -- who in his "essay" about says that a large group of Americans would "PREFER" news about AMERICAN SOLDIERS DYING -- says in comment #10:

Dr. P: "...Perhaps people can put aside their partisan views for just one day and celebrate our armed forces' amazing achievement."

FUCKING ASTONISHING.

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Where does Blogcritics come up with these people?

And must Shark come out of semi-retirement to balance out the Fucking Nut-Bar Right Wing Blather around here with a smidgen of solipcistic (thanks, Olsen!) TRUTH TO POWER?

Make my day, punks.

PS: I have a "liberal", patriotic confession to make:

Knowing there are people like Dr. P and Coulter in this nation makes me -- at least for a few nanoseconds in the throes of emotional disgust -- WANNA BECOME A FUCKING TERRORIST.

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Now, while I'll admit the above statement is only hyperbole meant to get a reaction [I trained at the Rush Limbaugh Memorial Media Manipulation Center!] -- I'd still be interested in yall's home address.

Thanks in advance,
: )

S

...oh, and did anyone mention that Zarcowie being turned over by his own crew only emphasizes the fact that Iraq is in...

whoops,
dare we say or think it
in the current political atmosphere
around here...?

...A FUCKING CIVIL WAR?

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IRAQ: WE *LOST.



*see "Abu Ghriab" for more

If Zarqawi was turned in by his comrades, it says nothing about whether Iraq is in a state of civil war or not. It could be his pals plainly and simply got tired of his psychosis and decided he was more of a liability than an asset to them. People who cut off the heads of innocent civilians for laughs are probably not the nicest people to hang out with, and probably really really good at transforming their friends into enemies.

Is Iraq in a civil war? I don't pretend to know, but I can tell this incident won't give us the answer to that question.

so what's in a name - ?

troll

What a pathetic blog entry. Another neocon sermom about "supporting the troops" from the 101st Keyboard Commando Division Generals.

Zarqawi's death means nothing. The war on Iraq was and still is a huge disaster to begin with. Until the US gets out, the slaughter will continue.

In Orwell's 1984, Big Brother was always sending messages to it's subject's the "victory was right around the corner" in their perpetual war. Sounds mighty familiar in 2006.

It is unsurprising that it would take a long time to track and nail an elusive target like Zarqaqi or Bin Ladin. It is very very easy to sit comfortably at a keyboard and say "woulda, coulda, shoulda", it is much harder to take often mediocre and questionable intelligence and sift it for a current location, and then move assets to that location to hit a target. The hunt for Pablo Escobar offers a good example - it may be easy to find a general location, town or area - but narrowing it down and closing that "last 300 yards" can be extremely hard.

In short, they did an exceptional job getting rid of Zarqwari.

Whether that success can be built upon in reducing the Iraqi insurgency remains to be seen.

Shark, in a civil war different factions within a country fight against each other, correct?

Well, Zarqawi isn't from Iraq, so turning him in has nothing to do with civil war and everything to do with purging a dangerous foreign troublemaker. It's an act of Iraqi patriotism and good sense, not an act of civil war.

Dave

Until the US gets out, the slaughter will continue.

...and after the US gets out, the slaughter will continue.

You think Al Qa'eda will just pack up and ride off into the sunset in our abandoned humvees just because the Great Satan left town? Hah!

Clavos points out:

"Until the US gets out, the slaughter will continue.

...and after the US gets out, the slaughter will continue."

~THANKS, GEORGE!

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Davey Nalle's rhetorical "quiz":

"Shark, in a civil war different factions within a country fight against each other, correct?"

You are correct, sir!

Iraqi Sunni vs Iraqi Shiite = CIVIL WAR

~NEXT!

#15...I was around during World War II. Comparing that war with the Iraq mess makes no sense. Your posts are very sophmoric.

Dr. Policito: "...Sadly, I think the ultra-illiberals would prefer news of Americans dying."

So where's the OUTRAGE?

Any Conservatives out there with a fucking shred of personal integrity?

sound of ~crickets chirping~

...

...

...

...

I thought so.

Clavos points out:

"Until the US gets out, the slaughter will continue.

...and after the US gets out, the slaughter will continue."

~THANKS, GEORGE!

Wow! Powerful, cogent response there, shArk, you really blew my point totally away; I'm overwhelmed.

The right got so worked up over political correctness... yet in this post you are attacking people simply for having a different opinion?

Sorry for being guilty of crimethink.

RJ Elliott: Do you guys have any problem with Clinton repeatedly turning down offers to have Osama sent to the US for prosecution?

Yes.

Just not as much problem as with refusing to hit terrorists after 9/11, and after asserting a policy of preemption.

"Do you guys have any problem with Clinton repeatedly turning down offers to have Osama sent to the US for prosecution?"
- RJ Elliott

Umm, it's a little more involved than just "having Osama sent to the US..." The best way to get him here would be to join-up and go over and get him...

Nice selective use of my comment, Shark. I notice you chose to ignore the part about Zarqawi which was the main point of it all - how convenient for you.

Dave

Hey Davey, below -- check out the "GOOD NEWS" from Iraq.

...I don't know what you call it; I call it a "CIVIL WAR" -- but you might prefer "Extreme Anarchy" or maybe "The insurgency is in its last throes..."

Mission Accomplished!

(PS: THANKS, GEORGE!)

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JUNE 8, 2006

NEAR BAQUBA - U.S. warplanes killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al Qaeda leader in Iraq blamed for bombings, beheadings and assassinations, in a strike near the city of Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad.

BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb killed 13 people and wounded 28 others in a crowded Baghdad market, police sources said. The explosion occurred in the eastern New Baghdad district.

BAGHDAD - A car bomb exploded in a Baghdad street, killing seven people and wounding 17 others, police said. The blast hit the northwestern Shi'ite district of Kadhimiya.

BAGHDAD - Another car bomb in Baghdad killed six people and wounded 13 others in the east of the capital, police said.

BAGHDAD - A third car bomb hit Baghdad's northern Shaab district, killing four people and wounding eight, said police sources



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JUNE 9, 2006

BAGHDAD - Authorities enforced a traffic ban in an apparent effort to prevent al Qaeda reprisals after the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The Interior Ministry said the ban in Baghdad and in the volatile town of Baquba, near where U.S. warplanes killed al Qaeda's leader in Iraq on Wednesday, would be in effect from 11 a.m. (0700 GMT) until 3 p.m., when most Iraqis go to mosques for Friday prayers.

At least 22 people, including 10 policemen, were killed across Iraq in a series of rebel attacks, security officials said. Four policemen and a civilian were killed when gunmen opened fire on a police vehicle in Baghdad's upscale Mansur district, an interior ministry official said. A police major and a colonel were killed in the capital when a roadside bomb went off against their vehicle. Two other policemen were also wounded.

In the northern city of Mosul, three college students waiting at a bus stop were shot dead by gunmen driving in a car, police said.

Also in Mosul, a policeman was shot dead in front of his house, while two other civilians were killed separately in drive-by shootings.

In the centre of Tikrit city, two policemen were shot dead when gunmen opened fire on their car.

A police captain was killed and eight others, including five civilians, were wounded in a roadside bombing targeting a police patrol south of the oil hub of Kirkuk.

In a similar bombing an Iraqi soldier was killed and two others wounded in Bohruz, just south of the restive city of Baquba, northeast of Baghdad.

A civilian was killed when a mortar round struck a house in Baghdad's eastern Al-Baladiyat neighbourhood. Two others were wounded.

A parked car bomb struck a outdoor market in a predominantly Shiite neighbourhood in Baghdad yesterday, killing at least two people and wounding 12, police said.

The explosion occurred at a popular market in the northwestern neighbourhood of Shula, police Lt. Mohammed Kheyoun said. The neighbourhood also was hit on April 13 by a car bomb that killed 15 people. In the town of Hawija, a Sunni imam known for his sermons sympathetic to insurgents was dragged from his house in the early hours of the morning and found dead two hours later.

A civilian was killed and four others wounded in a car bomb attack next to an ice-cream shop in Baghdad's Karada district. Three civilians were wounded in a car bomb attack in front of a court in the centre of Tikrit, police said.

Police also found bodies of three men and two women across Baghdad yesterday. All of them had been shot.

The body of a former Baath party member from Diwaniyah province was also found in the capital, police said, adding that he had been shot.

MOSUL - Gunmen shot dead Zuhair Muhammad Kashmola, brother of the governor of Mosul province, in the city of Mosul 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police sources said.

RAMADI - Gunmen attacked two civilian trucks carrying construction materials for the U.S. base in Ramadi and abducted the drivers, said police lieutenant Rahman Al-Dulaimi in the town 100 km (60 miles) west of Baghdad. The trucks were destroyed in the attack, he added.

FALLUJA - Gunmen shot dead one civilian in central Falluja, 50 km (30 miles) west of Baghdad

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BTW: It's apparent to SHARK that Conservatives who support Bush and this "war" in Iraq HATE AMERICA.

"Until the US gets out, the slaughter will continue.
...and after the US gets out, the slaughter will continue."

~THANKS, GEORGE!

re: Clavos: "...Powerful, cogent response there, shArk, you really blew my point totally away; I'm overwhelmed."

Clavos, if I want any shit from you, I'll squeeze yer head, 'kay?

And do I have to spell it out for you with a fucking crayon?

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pre-2003 Iraq = stable nation under brutal SECULAR dictator

Bush invades Iraq based on search for WMDs

June, 2006: total # of WMDs found = ZERO

June 2006: Iraq = civil war/total anarchy = breeding ground/training facility for future URBAN JIHADIST TERRORISTS

= We stay = we lose.

= We leave = we lose.

= THANKS GEORGE!

Call me crazy, but I don't think Shark is much of a fan of the war.

OK, shArk, when I wanna give you a ration, I'll let you know so you can come over and squeeze, but you've got to wash your hands first.

Now GWB must face the consequence of erecting a boogeyman: when the boogeyman is gone he doesn't have anything to scare the children with.

not to worry...there'll be another along directly

troll

Suss...yer crazy...

glad ta help

Excelsior?

I'm not sure what pleases me most, the increasingly obvious signs of success in Iraq, or the increasingly obvious failure of liberal loons to prevent it. Their angry shrieks of denial provide a good baromoter to gauge with.

Just like with the economy.

Dan,

Nice one.

Actually, the liberal illiberal loons have found a new strategy for success. Ann Coulter has become their new platform for the midterm elections. Rather than resort to debating the issues, they'll be using her book to demonstrate the hatemongering ways of the republican party.

I'll post that story tomorrow, and me thinks you'll like it.

Fortunately, liberals illiberals refuse to embrace success and their constant whining is losing them elections. GOP will maintain their majority :)

I'll look forward to the post Dr.

Lib's are always goading conservatives with how we're frightened by "strong" women. Then all they give us are angry shrews with modest familiarity with reason, sniveling about "social justice".

When confronted with a genuinely "strong" woman, in Ann Coulter, they suddenly seize up in exaggerated fits of haughtiness, often accompanied by projectile vomiting and explosive diarreah.

Dan, there is no success until our troops come home. It's great that Zarqawi is dead, and hopefully we got some useful intelligence, but we still have a long road ahead, so save the circlejerk. Your like a baseball fan who gets excited because his team is doing well in May.

IgnatiusReilly, your caution is well advised, and well taken, but I can still enjoy the win in May.

Ignatz, while it may be too early to get excited over the situation in Iraq, aside from the specific Zarqawi issue, I think it's reasonable to get some jollies from watching the leftists running around like chickens with their heads cut off, spewing accusations and demented spin and sounding more and more like Shark. He's always been crazy, but now the rest of them are starting to sound like he always has.

Dave

Dan, feel free to enjoy it, but for every claim of gloom and doom on the left there is an equal claim of victory close at hand on the right to cancel it out, and I grow weary of both. Celebrations in May sometimes lead to greater disappoinments in October.

Dave, if Al Queda can ever be rooted out of Iraq, I will raise a class and toast our brave men and women, but I feel that AQ are no longer as great a threat in Iraq as the people themselves. If The Shark's unsourced reporting is accurate, then I don't see an end anytime soon. He certainly is rambunctious, but through the nonsense his frustration is understandable.

Luckily, this country has enough money and resources to handle the mistakes and bad decisions, but even when the time comes that Iraq is free, I don't know if we'll deserve a passing grade and it won't be because of some bogeyman on the left even if we find Osama with a copy of fahrenheit 911 or a Dixie Chicks CD.

And can we please stop mentioning Coulter. I just saw a clip on TV and her arms are extremely unpleasant to view. Karen Carpenter thinks she needs to eat something. Whew! I might need to crack another cab open to block the image from my mind.

"June, 2006: total # of WMDs found = ZERO"

That, of course, isn't true...

Small amounts of WMDs and banned weapons WERE found, but the leftist media choose not to, you know, actually point this fact out.

So moonbats like guPpy get a free pass when they parrot lies...

"And can we please stop mentioning Coulter. I just saw a clip on TV and her arms are extremely unpleasant to view. Karen Carpenter thinks she needs to eat something. Whew! I might need to crack another cab open to block the image from my mind."

LOL! :)

"Umm, it's a little more involved than just "having Osama sent to the US..." The best way to get him here would be to join-up and go over and get him..."

Aww...I'd missed you and your OCD commentary, MCH!

Actually, Clinton didn't need me, or anyone else, to go to Sudan to pick Osama up. Sudan offered his head on a silver platter. But BJ Clinton was occupied with other, you know, priorities around this time, so he declined to have the world's number one terrorist sent to the US for prosecution...

Oh, and BUC$H IZ HITLUR!!!

All,
It just a matter of when, not if... and all this grumbling will be moot. But until that inevitable day comes... until then

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my charriot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Til we have secured our peace from fear
in this great an glorius land

-- Blake at el.

We can't give up, it's not in our blood to give up. If you gave up, or are giving up, you are living in fear. Do not fear. We have everything under control. Your babies will be safe.

RJ
I stopped eating crabs the day I saw one come out of the mouth of a floater (dead person who has been recovered from the water). They're scavangers, they are made to clean up dead stuff. You really should reconsider dining on "vulture" meat. yeeechh.

Doc, Writing an article like this, resembles chumming. You brought them all out and they're in a feeding frenzy! Now blast away.

"BTW: It's apparent to SHARK that Conservatives who support Bush and this "war" in Iraq HATE AMERICA." -- ShacK

Perhaps not. Howeverm, when conservatives look around and see what once was a country speaking with one voice... and now has duality of body, mind, and soul. It is disheartening. Conservatives enjoy singularity of purpose. Conservatives enjoy respect for God and country.
Conservatives are a "women and children" first group of people.
Conservatives are prone to protect and preserve.
When conservatives speak, liberals think they're talking in tongues.
Conservatives will never get liberal respect, because liberal's respect little.
Conservatives enjoy freedom.
Conservatives can't understand why freedom isn't enjoyed by liberals.
Conservatives remember life as something to be cherished, not as something to diminish.
Conservatives know that history is truth and learn from it.
Conservatives realize that people with no defense are despised (Machiavellian philosophy).
Conservatives understand Peace through superior firepower.
Conservatives understand Tzu and endeavor to persevere.
Conservatives don't really care what other's think.
Conservative relish security.

Any positive thoughts?

tommd says"


"In Orwell's 1984, Big Brother was always sending messages to it's subject's the "victory was right around the corner" in their perpetual war. Sounds mighty familiar in 2006."

Yes and in world war 2 there were many times as if it looked liked the germans would win. You probably would have been calling for the Allies throw in the towel if you had been alive then huh tommy

1984 is a book. World War 2 actually happened. That's the difference between ultra lefties and everyone else.....everyone else deals in reality not fiction and theory.

Archie, are you aware that the USA almost sided with the Germans in the Second World War? Many people there thought that Germany would win the war and the smart thing to do would be to side with the winners.

Or that the USA actually only joined the Allies so long as they paid all the costs of war, making the USA little more than mercenaries really?

Sure, I'm glad they did the right thing in the end but the reality is that the American commitment to freedom and liberty isn't quite what any of us think it is...

Just a point of clarification here-- it wasn't the armed forces on the ground that got Zarqawi--it was two 500 pound bombs dropped from a single F-16. All the posturing on both sides of this thread have little basis in reality--nor are they constructive, by and large. It's more of the same "I'm a patriot and you're a heathen commie/fascist (depending on your affiliations).

Nodody can deny that killing Zarqawi was a good thing--I'm especially heartened by the fact he had a little time (not enough) to get a glimpse of hell before he died.

Does it signal a victory in Iraq? Of course not. Does it herald repercussions that mean a defeat? Equally ridiculous.

"1984 is a book. World War 2 actually happened. That's the difference between ultra lefties and everyone else.....everyone else deals in reality not fiction and theory."
- Archie

Oh great, another military lecture from one of BC's resident keyboard generals...

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Til we have secured our peace from fear
in this great an glorius land

Joey, these are not the correct words to the final verse of Jerusalem. It should read:

"I shall not cease from mental strife,
Nor will my sword rest in my hand,
Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land."

Where does your version come from?

You know they took the hymn out of the US episcopal hymnal because they didn't like the reference to "dark satanic mills".

Presumably someone decided to secularize your version.

Dave

Or that the USA actually only joined the Allies so long as they paid all the costs of war, making the USA little more than mercenaries really?

Christopher, are you aware that after WW1 the European countries repudiated their legitimate non-war debt to US banks and our government, precipitating the depression and making it impossible to deal with them on anything but a cash and carry or essentially rental basis. And we're not just talking about unpaid German reparations here, but France and other countries debts for purchases of military hardware.

And cash and carry and lend-lease were both suspended in 1941, and future support of Europe was done at our expense. The debts from the early part of the war were eventually largely absolved. In addition, under the Marshall and Truman plans we spent tens of billions of dollars on European reconstruction with no repayment expected, and underwrote even more in loans.

So your 'mercenaries' argument is complete bullshit.

Dave

Comment 62, by Christopher Rose

You don't have a clue in what you are talking about.

When Hitler started to push around the smaller countries around him (kinda like Saddam did) the U.S. and the League of Nations did infact try to appease him (kinda like the liberals wanted to do with Saddam) but we didn't take his side, Rose.

Good to hear we got Zarqawi. And it is also good that we took car of little Hitler wannabee Saddam before we had another Pearl Harbor with our dicks in our hands. Bush is really taking care of business.

Sorry, Tony, but you need a refresher course in history, also. The Japaneses bombed Pearl Harbor, not the Germans. Neville Chamberlain tried to deal with Hitler diplomatically-- the US did not try to appease Hitler. And I'd daresay Hitler did a bit more than "push the smaller countries around him."

MCH says

"Oh great, another military lecture from one of BC's resident keyboard generals..."

Question for you MCH... why is it only people who disagree with the leftist view of the war called Keyboard generals" when they comment on the war?

why don't you call tommyd and his pals "keyboard generals" when they tell us in no uncertain temrs that the only sensible ting for us to do is perform a complete withdrawal?

When did Tony G claim that the germans bombed pearl harbor Ray?

The "Hitler wannabes" line "before we have another Pearl Harbor". Hirohito's motives were different, even though they paralleled Hitler's in Europe

Ray misread Tony's comment. Tony never even suggested that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

And Ray, the plural of Japanese is Japanese, not 'japaneses'.

Dave

Ray, you are an uniformed idiot.

Hitlet did not just wake up one morning and decide to start a world war. He started seazing little provinces from countries like Czechloslovia
and when the Czechs complained to the League of Nations and the U.S. we sided with Hitler hoping that he would stop there, but he didn't did he? That is what I call appeasing.

It is too bad that we didn't have Bush around in the 1930's.

What happened in the 1930's with Hitler was something that the liberals wanted us to repeat with Saddam and Osama.

And please show me where I said the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

typo, Dave.

Tony, thanks for keeping this on a gentlemanly level. WWII began September 1939 when the Germans bombed Poland. That began the European War.

We gave up gentlemen tactics during the Revolutionary War.

Like I said, Hitler did not wake up in 1939 and decided he wanted to bomb Poland. He annexed Austria and Czechloslovakia first.

Guess we won't be doing lunch after all, Tony.

Like I said, Hitler did not wake up in 1939 and decided he wanted to bomb Poland. He annexed Austria and Czechloslovakia first killed six million Jews.

Fixed that for ya.

Usually it's Bush = Hitler. Now we have a Saddam = Hitler. That's a new one to me. Still just as poor a comparison.

I thought Saddam was a wannabe Stalin.

Hey Mathew!!!

Get out of your liberal lala land, get off your hippie high and grow up.

Poor comparisan?

Hitler persecuted Jews because they were Jews and Hitler killed Shiites and Kurds because they were Shiites and Kurds, ya idiot.

Both of them were sick minded dictators who brainwashed their people and both had dreams of world domination, ya idiot.

Your right, Bush and Hitler do have a similarity: They both had big plans. Hitler wanted to take over the world and make anyone who's not Aryan an iferior slave. And Bush? Bush wants to clear the world of terrorism and safe for democracy.

I never thought of Hussein as another Hitler.... I thought of him more as the UN's golden boy....

"You can't make yourself avaialble for our weapons inspectors Mr. Hussein? No problem just have your people get in touch with our people and we'll schedule a date and time that's more convenient for you. Perhaps we can do lunch at the Bagdhad Hard Rock Cafe."

Oh and how old is Castro? He's gotta be knocking on hell's door. Maybe we here at BC should start a death pool on that bearded freak. 5 bucks gets you in.

Hello gents, thought I'd stop by,

Tony G(rande?), there is no spell checker on this medium - but in any event, is it your opinion that Ray is a "uniformed" ididot? Which uniform, pray tell?

Comment #73 - Bush was very much around in the 1930's by the way. Spencer Bush was cutting deals with Thyssen Bank in Germany and supporting my favorite Deutscher Schwein, Adolf Hitler.

Comment: #79 Saddam Hussein was a wannabe NebuHadnezzar. He wanted to destroy Jerusalem. No, not that place in England that the Anglicans sing about (comment #65), but the city of gold, copper and light where I write from.

What are you all arguing about anyway? The cockroach is dead, along with a Hamas cockroach killed by a missile in Gaza.

Killing al Zarqawi won't accomplish too much, but it is still is another notch in the belt of getting rid of the Al Qaeda cancer.

Typos typos typos what fun we're having now

You know me, Tony G. All mara-joo-wanna, all the time.

Listen carefully, young man. I'll say this one: There is no comparison to Hitler. Not-a-one.

(By the way, I know you who really are. Nice guise. But I won't tell anyone.)

Sho invited this guy?

Uniformed, uninformed, unformed, unimformed, Jay's an idiot. Everyone knew what I meant.

Matthew, why won't you go and tell everyone who I am?

Saddam was a junior Hitler, nuff said?

Who is Jay, Tony? I don't care if you love me or hate me, but I do expect you to get my name right.

Ooops, I know a different idiot named Jay, Ray.

I confuse all you guys.

It's pretty damned obvious who you are. I thought your IP address had been banned. Did you get a new one?

Dave

Arch the Bing sez...
*I never thought of Hussein as another Hitler.... I thought of him more as the UN's golden boy....*

umm...you do realize that we (Reagan) financed that maniac and supplied him with WMD's in his 8 year war with Iran, whom Ollie North and crew then worked with the Mafia to import cocaine to get money to buy guns from Iran to give to the Contras in violation of a law enacted by Congress?

i think you can still find the C-SPAN transcripts of the Iran/Contra hearings around somewhere with all that wonderful testimony...

that being said, it great that Zarqawi was fragged by his own guys, and then fingered for us to bomb...one less murdering idiot in the mix...

but don't kid yourself than it really resolves everything, it's merely a baby step in a positive direction

Excelsior?

You go Gon-zo You go Gon-zo You go Gon-zo You go Gon-zo Why do I suddenly feel like you guys have been transported back in time to a TV show called "I've dot a secret?" Will the reall Tony G stand up?

i just think accurate and complete knowledge of history is crucial to understanding events of today, Jet

and just ignore Ant G...he'll be banned....again...pretty quickly, for his usual hate mongering idiocy (and it was a while ago, here on BC where he said the Pearl Harbor bit..well do i remember THAT laugh)

Excelsior?

Completely understood GonZo-If you can't say anything intelligent-make an ass of yourself, after all look how well I've been doing at it.

Dave, now why would you think I got banned?

Gonzo, stop with your fairy tales.

lol...Ant G, question fer ya...now that school is done, and yer over 17...when do ya actually head to boot camp?

now there's a "fairy tale" i wanna hear the end of

oh yes, and have ya finally looked up that the Moors who invaded Sicily were black?

Excelsior?

Anthony - reading your crazy self brings a smile...when do you enter basic - ?

troll

Well I have just finished my Junior school:

I head to Sacremento for Boys State (are you faimiliar?)on June 17.

I get back on June 24 and I ship out to Fort Sill, OK for Basic Training on June 26.

I will get back in late August and start my Senior year of High School.

How did you guys now?

That's "know" not "now"

you told us about your plans a while ago...what's Boy's State - ?

troll

what's Boy's State - ?

I am suprised that you don't know.

Al Gore and Bill Clinton among others attended when they were 17.

It is a youth organization set up by the American Legion for 17 year old boys. Every state has their own in their capital.

They take about 400 boys from all over the state to the capital and make leaders out of them teaching us how the city, county and state governments work by having us do it ourselves. We are going to form our own state government with a Governor, mayors and everything.

I was one of the two chosen to represent my 4,000 plus school.

You really should look it because I am sure you can find a better explanation somewhere else.

Excuse me, it is a week long program not an organization.

very cool - you go guy

troll

Thanks Troll.

And Gonzo, I really hate to start this but by looking in the mirror I can tell you that I am not of black descent.

Unless you're from Mars, your ancestry can be traced to northern Africa.

Go to North Africa and you'll find Caucasians not Negroids.

And the theory that you are referring to takes place in Central Africa, not North Africa.

Actually, Caucasia refers to a region nowhere northern Africa. And the fact remains, we all came from Africa.

It is a theory, not a fact.

Oh really? Even the most diehard creationists place the garden of Eden in Africa--not Hoboken.

You can't expect him to accepts facts, he probably believes the garden of Eden is in Lynchburg Virginia and Jerry Falwell is a direct decendant.

"And Gonzo, I really hate to start this but by looking in the mirror I can tell you that I am not of black descent."

How many times has your mother told you to keep your pants on while using the computer?

Disappointing to see our tax dollars wasted on your education. Why the switch from Anthony Grande to Tony G?

cuz he was banned, Roger...

and Ant G..you were the one claiming sicilian decent..sooOOooOOooo..how do you think the blond haired, blue eyes southern italians ( who were displaced greeks after all) came to be the swarthy types with short, black, curly hair?

we have done this dance before, you admitted the Moors came thru...and i referred you to Othello to learn a bit more about Moors

interesting you are claiming you are going to basic training then back to HS?

i know i can get...erm...confused, at times...and i know why...but yer Story keeps changing over the last year

either way...good luck

Excelsior?

So I gathered from the comments, but I thought ISPs were banned not names. He can't be hiding because he uses the same URL and a variation on his name. He doesn't seem that stupid though he can certainly see it.

He's like RC Collins on the Phil Hendrie Show.

Roger..i dunno, ya wold have ta ask big E, Phillip or one of the editors who is in charge of such things...

i'm merely a lowly gonzo, heckling form the sidelines and tossing Ideas into the mix

Excelsior?

"Archie, are you aware that the USA almost sided with the Germans in the Second World War? Many people there thought that Germany would win the war and the smart thing to do would be to side with the winners."

Cite?

FDR was supplying the Brits practically from the start.

Now, maybe you were confused and were thinking of WWI instead...because then you might have a case...

"the USA actually only joined the Allies so long as they paid all the costs of war, making the USA little more than mercenaries really?"

Uh...Lend-Lease, anyone? Over 300,000 military personnel dead, primarily to liberate Western Europe and defend the UK? Thousands of trucks and other heavy vehicles sent to the USSR, to help with the battle against the NAZIs?

Methinks you could use some fancy book-learnin', my friend...

"Sure, I'm glad they did the right thing in the end but the reality is that the American commitment to freedom and liberty isn't quite what any of us think it is..."

Oh, yeah, the MARSHALL PLAN wasn't indicative of any serious commitment to "freedom and liberty," right?

"Hitlet [sic] did not just wake up one morning and decide to start a world war. He started seazing [sic] little provinces from countries like Czechloslovia [sic] and when the Czechs complained to the League of Nations and the U.S. we sided with Hitler hoping that he would stop there, but he didn't did he? That is what I call appeasing."

The US was not a part of the League of Nations...

"He's like RC Collins on the Phil Hendrie Show."

I love Phil Hendrie! But I'm more a fan of Herb Sewell... :-/

I'm getting ILL from reading all these anti-Democrat articles by Dr. Politico.

Zarqawi died years ago, all "news" reports on him prior to the date on this article can safely be considered propaganda lies:

that great platus you going to provide links that show the moon landing was a hoax and who killed kennedy for an encore Platus?

Over a dozen references to Hitler so far.

Dunno about 'illiberals', but I have to suspect people who are never shy of pulling out this biggest of guns for the teeniest of issues, the simplest of debates.

Kinda like war mongering politicians (and their partisan supporters) who compare every enemy to Hitler - Khomeini, Milosevic, Castro, Hafez Al-Assad, Saddam, Arafat, Ghaddafi, even Chavez, and most recently, Ahmadinejad. I'm sure you can fill in a few yourselves.

In facted I blogged on this the other day: How many Hitlers is that now?

The sweet smell of fear, deployed yet again to suppress thought and debate.

PS knee jerks - some of this was by Democrat war party types - most ntoably, 'twas Clinton called Milosevic (and Radovan Karadžić) like unto the Great Evil One.

Chromatius,

The people who don't know history drag out Hitler bcause they haven't got the brains to dig up the appropriate baddie to compare to. See comment #82 for an illustration.

Good to see you back...

Shabbat Shalom,