What has Mr. Carville beeen smoking?

Right about what?

Inventing the internet?

Winning florida?

The earth spinning of it's axis thanks to global warming?

The real reason people don't like Al Gore is because he's an asshole.

Arch Conservative, let's take a look at the things you claim Al Gore has been wrong about.

Inventing the internet?

I can't believe people are still bringing this up. That story was based on a misreading of a quote. Al Gore played an important role in organizing Congressional meetings to help promote the internet, which is more or less what he claimed. He never even used the word "invent."

Winning Florida?

Did he claim to have won Florida? I must have missed that one. It seems, however, that we'll never really know who really won Florida. For all intents and purposes, Bush won, but I can't even imagine that you, arch conservative as you are, would be able to refute the claim that the election in Florida was FUBAR in many respects. Maybe Bush would have still won, but something was certainly amiss.

The earth spinning of it's axis thanks to global warming?

The claim isn't that it's going to spin off its axis. Global warming would change the earth's axis. That doesn't mean it's going to go off cartwheeling into space. The idea that global climate change could change the earth's axis isn't so far out, by the way. It has happened before in history. Even the recent tsunami altered the earth's axis slightly (and shortened our day by three microseconds!).

No, Arch, that's why people don't like you.

Gore spoke about leading the charge in Congress to fund the Internet's development, but why would you let facts get in the way when it's so easier to attack someone with lies?

Or you could do some research. Here's Vint Cerf, inventor of the Internet Protocol on June 14, 2000 during a live Internet forum hosted by Time Magazine:

"I'd like to clear up one little item - about the Vice President ... He really does deserve some credit for his early recognition of the importance of the Internet and the technology that makes it work. He was certainly among the first if not the first in Congress to realize how powerful the information revolution would be and both as Senator and Vice President he has been enormously helpful in supporting legislation and programs to help further develop the Internet - for example the Next Generation Internet program."

Well said, Bryan. And I don't think Gore has ever inspired real "hatred," except perhaps with the most extreme right wing elements of the Republican Party. This very fact may play into a very interesting (yet hypothetical-at-this-point) Gore or Hillary debate.

Gore is just another democrat sore loser with a bone to pick.

It must eat deep into his soul to know how beloved slick willie was among the heathen left and that they never loved him enough to deliver him the white house.

Great quote, Roger!

To give credit where it's due, I worked for Gore when he was 'inventing the internet'. It's a poor choice of words, but his Congressional Clearing House on the Future genuinely did help promote and smooth the way legislatively for the development of what we now know as the internet, not to mention promoting a lot of other new and speculative technology.

dave

Yes, Arch, Gore is clearly still reeling from his 2000 loss in promoting a widely acclaimed documentary about the future of our planet.

Sir Berlin, a pleasure to read as ever! marvellous format here, and the best author bio of all ever!

regarding this flickery, i think it's nice to see a politician makin the transition to motion pictures for a change. a motion picture about a man gives a lecture with slides, perhaps, but still.

You honestly don't think he'd trade his little book in in a heartbeat if he could be in the White House right now Eric?

I've no doubt that Gore still carries political ambitions but that in no way implies that he is a "sore loser with a bone to pick."

Thanks very much Duke! I've gotten several compliments on the bio of late... who knew?

It's a poor choice of words, Dave, because that's not what he said.

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
-March 9, 1999 during CNN's "Late Edition"

Arch, documenatries are movies not books.

Right, Arch, because that IS a poor choice of words, since to be accurate Congress did not create the internet, and because it implies a more direct role for Gore than he really had. Though as I said before, of everyone in Congress he was certainly the most aware and involved at the time the internet was coming into existence.

Dave

It's beginning to sound like a bunch of ex-wives screaming about sins their husbands did years ago and long forgotten!

I'm glad I'm gay!

Is he "serial"?

totally cereal

A poor choice of words that goes to actual meaning right?

That one instance that was a poor choice of words is excusable but Trent Lott's poor choice of words regarding strom thurmond isn't?

I think gore's poor choice of words speaks to his over inflated sense of self. I think he caught that disease from bill and hillary.

Facts:
(1) Al Gore/ Bill Clinton Defeated George Walker Bush in 1992.
(2) Al Gore defeated Gorge W. Bush in 2000.

Prediction
(1) Al Gore will beat Jeb Bush in 2008.

Conclusion:
Al Gore will be the only man having beaten all 3 Bushes.

JR...your fairy tales when EEEEEEEEEE Gore wakes up and finds out that it was all a dream...and he looses a second time...just like sorta loke the in the TV show Dallas "who killed JR" dream sequence...right JR or is it JO!

There is only one visonary in this country. The name is AL GORE! Neocons - move to Mexico -- if they let you in. Bush is making a big fence on border. Flee the country before the prosecutors get you -- and while Bush-Fence is not up yet. Prosecutors will get you -- like they got your uncles at Enron.

A confluence of factors, including the "conservative fatigue" I mentioned in my last piece, make Gore a very interesting candidate to take a look at for '08. The more he can stave off thinking/acting like a "candidate," the more attractive he looks.

JO,

Visionary??? That bloated feckless, spinless hypcirtical AL Gore..son of Al Gore Sr. who

voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

participated in a 74 day filibuster to delay and weaken the legislation.

proposed an amendment to the Civil Rights Act that would have kept federal funds flowing to schools that defied court desegregation orders. It was defeated by a vote of 74-25. 23 Democrats and 1 Republican voted for it.


Al Gore whis is wasting millions of gallons of fuel flying his bloated ass to a film festival in France???

Al Gore is coming like a hurrycane. Swiftboating is not going to work. Diebolding elections is not going to work. Choicepointing voters is not going to work. Run out of country you neocons. America needs patriots and not cowards and treasonists. Your disdain for our constitution has cost us dearly. You are out of luck!

Fact:

JR lives in candyland if he thinks Al Gore won in 200 and actually has a shot in 2008.

Al Gore "cumming" like a hurricane! I guess he learned alot from his mentor "The Great Stain Maker" "William Jefferson" (not the one with 80K of freezer burn) Clinton

Arch Conservative: JR stands for majority of American people. If you are a conservative in tradional sense, then serve this nation's military and take an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies -- foreign and domestic. If you can't do that -- then don't ever talk about Al Gore. He is a patriot. He loves this nation, and all his life he has served this nation. He continues to fight for the American people despite having kinves in his back stabbed by the neocons. God Bless Al Gore. God Bless America.

Hey Arch....I think JO is much worse than that..his url looks like he is either infactuated, stalking or sleeping with Algore!!!

Scary stuff...like something in Silence of the Lambs...

Just on mans opion...

Gore beating bushes... another poor choice of words?

Hey JO...be carefull it sound like your going either have a heart attack or get your nut off..either way your scarin me

It would be great if this could be, like, a real conversation among adults.

Typical conservatives ... the military ... and they run away with their tails under legs.

Have a wonderful memorial day. Make sure to salute the flag. Good bye!

Hey Arch....I think JO is much worse than that..his url looks like he is either infactuated, stalking or sleeping with Algore!!!

His website is a grassroots political site trying to get Al Gore reelected in 2008. It's a political site. Based on your description, I was expecting some misguided fan site, but it actually appears to be pretty straightforward.

Reelected to the executive office, that is.

Re. #28. I just checked out JR's site. Scary, but I suspect there are worse things than being an Al Gore fanboy. Swallowing all of Gore's bunkum about the environment without a smidgen of critical thought is a bit much, though.

Dave

Brian..."misguided fan site"

Thats a polite way of describing EGore's supporters.."misguided fans" and hey Arch doesnt it sound so...so...so... politically correct...

I read on Drudge that when his film opened in Cannes that gore and his entourage drove 500 yds just to open doors and walk the red carpet...I'd have to agree with arch on the over-inflated ego thing...but I bet they were hybrid vehicles...

...and there's something about the inflection in his voice that drives me up a wall! The dems put him on the ticket it will make my choice that much easier.

good read Eric...and seconds on what Duke said.

Great article! Figures that far righties like Arch "the Asshole" would continue the lame "Sore Loser" nonsense from 6 years ago.

Doesn't it embarrass you, Arch, that your idol "W" says it's damn unlikely that he'll see Gore's movie? God forbid he educate himself--but then, why start now?

come on now JP...you can't expect the winner to take lessons from the loser...no matter what!

Are you gonna waste $8 to go see this movie?

Thanks Andy and JP!

I agree, JP, that it's flat-out embarrassing for the president of the United States to dismiss "An Inconvenient Truth" as though it were a propaganda film. It's up there with Bush's statement that he doesn't read the news, letting his inner circle filter it for him.

Gee...disn Bush because he wont go see Gores information...you guys cannot be serious!

Gee...disn Bush because he wont go see Gores INFOMERCIAL...you guys cannot be serious!

JR#32. And your plans for Memorial Day are?

Maybe learning how to salute? Check out Webster's. It's informative.

"Mr. Vice President! Someone finally bought a copy of your book, sir."

Al Gore: "Well, this calls for a celebration."

[puts on a Kool 'n' the Gang record: "Celebrate good times..."]

Al Gore: "I will."

Eric, Interesting.

Matthew, are you the popcorn man?

jp. PT Barnum said there's a sucker born every minute. sr says if the shoe fits, by all means wear it. High heels may be the order of the day.

sr

Didn't Al Gore invent My Space?

and the level of political discourse sinks ever deeper into the mire of stupidity.

Didn't Al Gore invent Blogcritics?

WTF? Penicillin?

Didn't al gore invent that and didn't he have the editors of BC do that to my name?

Watch me do my infamous Al Gore impression.

::::::takes BIG, GAPING DEEP Breath:::::::

::::::SIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH::::::::::

Oh, and by the way, Al Gore didn't invent that woman, Monica Lewinsky, but he may have invented the stain-proof blue dress.

Didn't Al Gore invent the "lockbox?"

Didn't Al Gore invent the wheel? I thought I heard him say it during a speech he gave.

Didn't Al Gore invent Tai Chi and teach it to the Dali Lama when eh was visiting him?

I think he also invented waffling.

Gore? Come on! You can't be serious.

There's enough said on the comments to convince you that the blow hard is nothing but an opportunist. Remember Tipper and Al's campaign to apply a rating system to recordings?

Zappa even weighed in on that one....

From Religious nut, to Clinton ass-kisser, to philosophying Einstien's better half? Gimme a break

Move along.... there has GOT to be a better promise somewhere within the ranks.

Let's leave the Southern Preacher clone out to pasture where he belongs.

Thank you and good day!

Is Arch Conservative the only sane person posting here? If I read another one of these liberal posts i'm going to barf. Why can't all you cock suckers get the hell out of America? There are lots of places in Europe where you would fit in just perfect. Many countries have legalized gay marriages and drugs just for you sick faggot fucks. So get the fuck out of here.

Jagermann, you make a fine and nuanced argument for your positions. If only there were a Deport Liberals and Sick Faggots Party that you could rally your Will behind.

Joey, I find the fact that you were swayed by anything in the comments to be simply astonishing.

I think Gore would be well suited to run our country, he helped clinton back when america was still a bustling country. Im sure hes experienced.

I dont listen to anyone who cant even spell one of the worlds most amazing scientist names correctly,
its Einstein not Einstien.


And anyone that can deny that the weather has just been a little unusual, you really should be paying more attention to the weather...

Didn't Al Gore invent the universe and all the rules of space, time, physics, and chemistry?

Maybe that's why he knows so much about global warming and we mere mortals do not.

Idiot writes "I think Gore would be well suited to run our country, he helped clinton back when america was still a bustling country. Im sure hes experienced."

Yeah Al Gore helped but a little thing called the internet/.com boom driven by the private sector helped a whole hell of a lot more dumbass.

Al Gore is a fucking Putz....even Bill Clinton knows that!

I would posit, Arch, that your argument is self-defeating as your tone insists that YOU have all the answers, whereas the "dumbasses" (and such) do not.

Eric, comments notwithstanding.... I've been around long enough and have quite an understanding of my own concerning Gore.... but the comments display one thing... Gore has alienated many, and left many others in doubt.

I doubt him. I doubted him and Tipper, I doubted him during his boot licking Vice Presidency, I doubted him when Klintoon came clean, and Gore... didnt' hand in his resignation.

Had Gore told Clinton where to stuff it... at the time of Billy Bob's moment of confession... he would have shown himself a bigger man and, IMHO, would have won the election hands down.

But he didn't... call him the party man, loyal.... what ever. There comes a time when you have to call the hand and strike out on your own, for your own dignity's sake... and he failed to take that step. Why? Why? I still can't figure it out. No, he stayed, and cajoled, and tried to sound sincere, but caste himself as a backpocket politician; to Clinton no less!

Then.... he gets utterly pissed off at losing the election. He lost the damn thing before he even started running. It's not rocket science to see that. I saw it when Clinton came clean... and I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. I have some principles/guidelines which I keep. And they're pretty straight forward. One of them, an old Franklin, states: he who lays down with dogs, rises up with fleas.... and Gore laid down with Clinton... and rose up with a hide full. It's really elementary.

My advise... lose this cat, or lose the election. Hillary would stand a better chance... or Warner even... Everybody loves a winner... and Gore is a loser. And if he runs again, he will lose again. It's that simple, or that difficult, depending on how free thinking you are.

yadda, yadda

Hey Arch, I don't know if Gore invented half of the things that you are saying, I only know that I would like to see him come up with a cure for assholes like you!

"Conclusion:
Al Gore will be the only man having beaten all 3 Bushes"

That's called beating around the Bush.... Do we have to go through this crap all over again.

He's not sitting in the White House. The votes have been counted, recounted, recounted by dems, liberal newspapers etc.... he lost... by a squeak. But he friggin' lost. He (and you) have got to get over that... and start planning the next move... not lamenting, wearing sackcloth, and throwing ashes on your heads. He needs to move forward... but he doesn't? Scrap him, he is a large mill stone tied around your neck and your are weighed down with this LOSER.

If you want to win... PICK A WINNER.... NOT A WHINER. No wait.... PICK A WINNER.... NOT A WEINER.

or

PICK A WINNER.... PICK WARNER. There, I'm going into media relations.

GORE is not making it. Give it up. Put him back on the preacher circuit... let him preach. But don't put him on the ticket... or he'll lose.

Joey -- political chessmaster.

America is stuck in this paradigm.... Gore, Hillary, McCain... I'm getting sick... and it's not even election year yet.

We need some fresh blood. Someone with vitality, not the same old crap.

George Allen 2008!

Everyone else can kisss my fucking ass!

Archie:

I'm fedup with you and your ilk constantly giving Al Gore credit for inventing the internet. it's not true. I invented the internet. In 1959 when I hooked up two computers on opposite coasts with homebrew modulator/demodulators to send signals over the telephone wires in the 2000-3000 cps voice band. Yeah, that's right: "cps", cycles per second. That yutt Hertz hadn't even been born yet. Made those circuits using 6L6 vacuum tubes because they had longer MTBF than those newfangled transistors. Wider gain-bandwidth, too. And the circuits threw off gratifying waves of heat when they were running.

First thing I did was have the secretary type (on a mod 30 TTY) in the old blue-ink mimeographed ARPA indices to grad school research papers, thus creating the very first 'index.html'.

It's all true. You can look it up.

My daughter said to me today "why the hell is Al Gore invading MySpace". Apparently his presence there has become intrusive and irritating for some of the more traditional empty headed teenage users of the service.

Dave

I'm not sure if any single entity can invade an online space that has 60+ million registered users! But your daughter's question is interesting -- there are those that are seeing myspace's popularity at its peak and think that it will soon be akin to "last year's popular nightclub" (credit to Mathew Ingram and a few others on that anaology).

Jagermann#57, Are you reading the same comments Im reading. Most of the comments are not pro Gore.Im more of a conservative then Arch.

C--- S------ get the hell out of America. Sick f----- f----. Nice, real nice Jagermann. OK MISTER CHRIS ROSE. Maybe a little editing would be the order of the day.

Gore is a total fool. Ya I know he did the Hildabeast several times but what the hey.

Now we have #60, Buffalo Wing's or Sky King Wing or what ever. Wing says he wont listen to anyone who cant spell the name of the worlds most amazing scientist names. Just curious Wing. Why did you comment? O Ya, forgot. You read only.
You said Einstein not Einstien. Did you mean Dianne Feinstein, Albert Einstein or Frankenstein with his asisstant Al internet Egor who also invented a bustling country under the leadershit of Wild Bill? So Mr. Wing, what in your mind constitutes a bustling country? This is economics and not what your views want. Freck spell check for me since you only hear and dont read foolish comments from me.

Bliffle#70. Yes I know you invented the internet. Heard it on the Oprah Winfrey show. Or was it Dr. Phil/Pill/Dill or whatever. Thanks for the monster you created dude. How can you sleep at night?

sr

Yo, Wingnut... I can type faster than you can think... trouble is.... I misspell occasionally when I do it. Don't hold it against me. Sorry.
If this site had a spell check it would be great... but it doesn't.... and sometimes I am just too lazy to open up word, type a response, spell check it, cut and paste... git my drift?

Git over it. I've read more books about Einstein than you can imagine. I actually understand his theories, but it takes time and good texts to do so. I also understand the math behind most of his stuff. And the flaws related to some of his stuff. And... I'm keeping the language at a level you can understand.

bye....

Didn't Al Gore invent the flux capacitor?

He and Tipper were the couple Erich Segal used as a model when writing his pivital novel "Love Story" ... Al also wrote "Boot Scoot Boogie" too!

All joking aside, I met the Quayle's, talked with Marilyn for about 30 minutes (this was down in St. Thomas back in 1990/91 (I'll have to research my journal's to pin down the exact time frame). Nice couple, very nice discussion, but they were coming off of a weekend and were pretty relaxed overall.

My Bro-in-law, who works for CBS used to do the Clinton road gig quite a bit. Now he has some stories, all of them ugly. He quit voting because he couldn't stand the team, yet he didn't feel compelled to vote republican. That's inside information. Gore changed.

Gore changed? Sure he did. He morphed from the Tennesee bible belt senator you used to see. Remember Tipper's senate hearings to ban explicit lyrics, to a nobody, or to somebody who didn't "rock the boat" .... that says a lot about substance, .... but then Gore was always a waffler, always... slippery political upbringing I guess. I don't know much about Gore Sr., but having lots of friends in the Tennessee area, I'm sure I could come up with something.

I want a demcratic ticket that will STICK. A ticket that offers real vision. I don't want to hear grumbling about how bad it's gotten, or how much of a fight we have, or a smear campaign... those diatribes cloud the issues, to a point that issues seldom get discussed. Then the process becomes a high school pep rally. Yuck! I am not interested in a high school pep rally!

Eric, if you have any inside connections... make sure this sentiment gets passed up. We, the people are appalled at the stupidity, backbiting, backstabbing, insulting conduct... that the party believes is a credible way to conduct themselves. While trying their damnest to make shout down the republican's... they in effect have caused their own backing... to cover their ears... the level is too intense. Better language needs to be applied to the debate. Not just shouting insults back and forth.

I WANT AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING IN CHARGE... IF I WANTED TO HEAR A BUTTLOAD OF YELLING AND SCREAMING, I WOULD HAVE STAYED MARRIED!!

Dave,
Re your post #71:
Isn't "empty headed teenager" a redundancy?

I rather think it's a tautology.

Ah, but still quite accurate.

And Joey, if you want a decent democratic ticket you may have a problem.

They've been in this defensive, self-destructive and bitter mode for so long now that it's become ingrained in the party. Leaders like Rahm Emanuel of the DCCC are making sure that only extremist partisans get elected to office, so there's no pool of experienced leaders who aren't tainted by extremism.

The party may win in 2006 and 2008 because of Bush's failures, but they aren't really going to recover from their self-destruction for a generation or more. And if they do win the whitehouse in 2008 I bet it will end up being a disastrous 4 years before they are voted out.

Dave

Arch, Yes Egor invented the Flux Capacitor. If I recall which is not often these days, Dr. Wingwang invented the Dilithium Crystal's to fuel the Capacitor. Think it was sometime back in the future.

I don't believe for a second that this comment will change anyone here, but I want to share it regardless. I'm a politically active person, and actually my standing doesn't matter in the slightest regarding what I have to say.

It's conversations like this that offend me and make me realize why America won't be fixed anytime soon. It's broken, and it's not the current administration or congress. It's us. It's the fact that people think it's acceptable to have conversations like this. It's because while you're typing your comments you forget that you aren't alone in your dimly lit rooms and that what you choose to say is directed at an individual and is 'broadcast' to the globe. We[America] have taken the role of leadership in the world, and it's people like us that are electing the folks that make the choices and carry them out. I honestly don't care what your stance is on Gore, but can see simply by the way the conversation digresses and becomes a blur of mildly offensive attacks, that we're the problem.

I'm actually sick that I sound like a hippy right now, so please, take a moment and realize that a 22 year old highschool drop-out(who has a myspace profile) is calling on you to think for a moment and realize that we're the problem, and that until we learn how to have something as simple as a respectful conversation with people, that you've never met, who have different opinions, we'll never contribute anything but strife.

I think Al Gore did at least do something interesting... I believe he helped give us a medium in which we can see where the problem is. I seriously hope that my generation is smart enough not to learn from yours.

And now that my hippy rant is over, please feel free to respond with the same as what's above.

USA... you paint a rosy pictures of hippydom. It wasn't like that... well maybe for a year. Even the hippies saw the seachange, the addictions piling up, the homelessness of the flower children once College money dried up and they were no longer hanging on to apron strings for a living. The REAL hippies ran their game for about a year... did a little counterculture stuff, got part time jobs in book stores, cafe's etc... but for the most part they were college students, skipping classes, protesting, dropping, smoking, stealing etc... but there was no productivity there.

A hollywood vision of what was happening on the streets isn't reality. And you may need a reality check on the scene which you have enamoured yourself to. Seriously.

I don't think the American voter/taxpayer is the problem. We vote, we pay taxes and then the money is misspent, and the politican's whom we voted, are suddenly out of accord with what we (the voter/taxpayers) voted them in for.

Politics has become a chessmatch. It is also the only game in town. Don't vote? Then you get what you didn't vote for. Sadly, it seems apparent that IF you vote... you still don't get what you voted for.

Don't blame the little people of this nation, blame the movers and shakers... they're holding the wheel of the great ship of state. And as far as I'm concerned they're off course.

I went through this phase a number of years ago, where I would write my representatives on subjects I didn't agree with. I did get responses. But NEVER in agreement with what I was disatisfied with... and I don't complain or whine. It became very apparent that either I was out of step. Or, the representatives were operating on their own accord. That was the epiphany for me. I haven't been the polically same since.

So what do I do? I vote. But it's not making a difference.

USA. BTW this is not the time, nor the era to be a dropout. You need to get your GED finished, you need to get into some kind of training, certs, degree something. Or, you are going to be eating dust the rest of the your life.

That's my advice. Get it happening! Or your life in the world as we know it, will really start sucking hind titty.

The party may win in 2006 and 2008 because of Bush's failures, but they aren't really going to recover from their self-destruction for a generation or more. And if they do win the whitehouse in 2008 I bet it will end up being a disastrous 4 years before they are voted out.

Wow! Way to completely miss the point and prove USA's point, Joey. Unless some comment got deleted, USA painted no picture other than saying political discourse should be more than insults, yet his mere mention of the word "hippie" sent you off, frothing at the mouth, on some bizarre tirade having nothing to do with his comments.

The little people, by their involvement or lack thereof, put the movers and shakers in power, so yes, they are to blame. All the taxpayers don't vote and those who do sit by and accept the candidates and their actions put before them.

Are we supposed to be impressed that you wrote a letter and when you didn't get what you wanted you just gave up? That's some commitment to your principals. Glad you weren't around at the Revolution. Why not write your paper, write other congressman, find like-minded folk, start petitions, run for office, anything? It's the defeatist attitude like yours that allows the system to become as wretched as it is.

WELL STATED MR DILLON.

sr

Joey(#82/#83): I'm not a hippy (in fact you can see my annoyance that I even begin to sound like one), but I don't think getting into that will help you understand my point. Because, as RogerMDillon(#85) noted, you missed it. Thank you for the history lesson though, as I think it's wise to learn from the previous generations mistakes, and will continue to work towards my goal for my community and hopefully, eventually, my country.

As far as the diploma thing, I feel I should explain since you seem concerned for my financial wellbeing. I do have a GED, but that doesn't take away the fact that I'm a dropout. I've worked for organizations such as CNN (and other high profile companies). I've lived in Chicago, Atlanta, and Denver and now I'm a founder/owner of technical company with three partners (and now 16 employees), which has also been faily lucritive. I've done this all in 5 years. If you think a degree/diploma is required to succeed in life you're mistaken. I'm well aware that this is a common belief, however I'm hoping that explaining this will help you understand that a peice of paper doesn't get a person places, determination does. I have a better chance of succeeding more than others my own age because I'm forced to acheive what I want, I never ever expect it to come to me. The difference between waiting for the apple to fall from the tree so you can pick it up, and plucking the one you want. More than slightly different than a hippy, no?

"The diploma gives society a phantom guarantee and it's holders phantom rights. The holder of a diploma passes officially for possessing knowledge . . . comes to believe that society owes him something. Never has a convention been created which is more unfortunate for every one--the state, the individual (and, in particular, culture)." - Valéry

As far as the rest of your post(s), I do agree with you, but I also mention that I'm politically 'active'. Do something, and in fact, if you're in my area(Denver) I can probably find something for you to do. Let me know if you're interested in contributing something more worthwhile than complaints and trading 'mild insults' in a blog comment stream. Step up and pluck the fucking apple, because waiting for it to drop in your lap doesn't seem to be making you any happier.

Well shut ma mouth! I totally missed it.

Hippies didn't sound like much. They like to cop and blow there minds and talk crap. Most were so counterculture, they became charactures of themselves... Maoists, Marxists, Anarchists, it was terrible. So if that is what you mean by starting to sound like one, I caution that perhaps a better metaphor is needed, less you accidently lump yourself into that miry category.

I said political discourse should be more then insults back up in #76

I didn't write A letter... I wrote hundreds. Mostly to my representatives in Virginia (at the time). Along with committee chairs and a few others. Every lettered was answered, with what I considered to be the wrong answer. That's when I felt disenfranchised.... the people I had voted for, were not representing me.

USA I'm glad you got a GED, but I disagree about not continuing education. Lifelong learning plays a crucial role in today's job market. I also agree that it's a paper chase in many respects. And in an ideal world Valéry is probably correct. I also agree that if you are a small business person, and your business is thriving, then you are probably doing something correctly and do not really need an MBA to keep a landscaping business (or what ever) running in the black. But one could argue that computer skills are needed, application savvy is required etc...

I can't get politically active... the whole process is out of control. The media bias (I think the media should be entirely neutral), the ad campaign, the stumping, the BS... it's gut wrenching to witness every candidate bow to a general consensus on 2 or 3 subjects, in order for the press to qualify them.

I know there are many very intelligent, forthright people out there who would make excellent leaders in this country. But they don't want to put themselves, or their families through the excruciating test that has come to be known as the political process. Therefore the common folk get stuck.

Forgive my ranting. The apples I pluck are community based outreach to those in need.

Weeeelll pluck me. Im just dumbfounded and not shur if de husk came bafer de corn or the corn were befer de husk. Fer shu de rum is befer de BS.

political discourse should be more than insults

Absolutely, Roger, this is a standard that all should aspire to! Otherwise it's all meaningless jabber and a waste of everyone's time... right?

Joey(#88): I feel the same way you do, but I choose to maintain my efforts, because if we don't, who will?

Al Gore isn't the solution, but his actions (if he chooses to run or not) are part of the process in which it would seem America needs to undergo to make any progress. I don't really care about if it's right or left, but rather, the process in which we get there. The lies and, as you put it, misrepresentation, is what I'm offended by as well. Al Gore has a platform from which he can get things communicated, some of which I agree, and some of which I do not. In either case, I would prefer to have someone whom has never given me reason to mistrust (slander aside), acting in what appears to be at minimum, an attempt at opening peoples eyes.

On a side note, my previous post explains that my company is a 'technical' company... Try for a moment to get beyond the idea that someone who dropped out of highschool could only be suited for lawn care. I'm a programmer and systems architect, not a landscaper. The CNN center didn't have a need for landscapers -- no lawns, so I had to step up my technical knowledge. Nah, that's a joke, this has always been my passion.

Al Gore is not part of any process that America must undergo to put our current state of polarizing politics to bed in the same way that Jeb Bush is not.

What America needs in our next president, wether he be Dem or Rep, is a man with absolutley no connections with either of the past two administraitions.

I'd like to point out Arch is that if you go into the game not knowing the rules or the foibles of the players, you're bound to lose.

And what he won't admit is if the 2000 election were rerun today, Gore would've won by a landslide.

Jet..."o contraire"...Now that America truly knows Al Gore their is no way he could ever run for public office..his "chicken little" campaign in just reinforcing his image...all he is doing is telling us how bad thins are and how much we have to change while he rides aroung with a his followers in a parade of limos and private jets..

I am not saying a Dem wont win the presidential election but it wont be the 2 political foot notes of EGore and Kerry...they are not leaders!

As you handle professes that's just one man's opinion. Right now 70 out of every 100 Americans would disagree with you.

Jet,

Are you eliminating Hillary?

No no I'd vote for her in a heartbeat, especially if she ran with Joe Biden or Al Gore as VP. I'm just saying that if Bush vs Gore were run again today Gore would win in a landslide based on Bush's 29 percent approval ratings.


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Jet, maybe you would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat, but she killed her husband's health insurance initiative and she hugged Suha Arafat. That says all I need to hear...

I don't know if I'll be able to vote in the 2008 election (if it takes place) but looking across the sea to Americaland leaves me with very little hope indeed for your fair country...

Why are you guys arguing about hypothetical hindsight presiential races that have no bearing on reality?

The fact is the right hates the Clintons and the left hates the Bushes so both parties would be best to steer clear of any assoiciation to these two camps when putting someone on the ticket in 2008. What's so hard to understand about that?

29%Arch asks "Why are you guys arguing about hypothetical hindsight presiential races that have no bearing on reality?"

Answer: for the same reason you are!

Just because you self-righteously declare something as fact, doesn't make it so you moonbat!


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You're using weird bits of Code again, Jet. Are you pasting stuff in or using weird characters?

I pasted the "Solus mei sententia
Jet" and used bold and underline that's never been a problem before? is there a code in the "Solus mei sententia
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That's the only thing I pasted on this one, the codes for the underline and bold were these

Are there bats on the moon now? Who put 'em there, NASA? Oh, no--I forgot: NASA never got there.
That's it! There are bats in the desert, right?

Clavos, 29%Arch support started calling everyone a "moonbat" on other strings I thought it'd be rude not to return the compliment!

Bush is shipping them to the moon on and Indian Rocket soon, just look click on this... on my article on the subject

Jet: see the 29% before Arch in #100 and #104?

Is it the percent sign I shouldn't be using?

Ruvy,

Please keep your vote in Israel! Dual citizenship is a farce...in NYC they are trying to allow illegals to vote in local elections..."slippin and slidin into the third world" Bob Grant

Thanks!

Hey Arch...the reason tha the dems and libs are playing Fantast Elections is that its been so long since the won they can remember what it was like...

He Arch... Heres a couple a little closer to reality..I wonder who would win "Mothra" or EGore? or maybe EGore against Thor and his Magic Hammer?

Id say EGore beats Mothra 75/25 by using his Sleep Ray - all he has to do is talk and Mothra will counting sheep ...but I think Thor could beat EGore 80/20 no problem...

If the Dems run Hillary or Gore in 2008 they lose.

End of story.

Also I don't see how one can make the logical inference that because Bush's pol numbers are low people would vote for Gore for president.

Arch...Exactly the Polls are a refelction of Bush's perceieved performance and lack of MSM support...

As usual you're Bushit is consistant, the polls are irrevelent if they're against you. As I recall Bush had a "Mandate from the People" with only a little over 55 percent of the popular vote.

Keep living in your alternate reality. I hear it's fun...

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You really think EGore could beat Mothra??

we'll see who's laughing come november. The only reason Bush hasn't been impeached is because no one wants Cheney as president and Frist as his vice president.

Yeah, it looks like you'll be slippin' and slidin' into the Third World all right...

Given that I do have dual citizenship, Glen, I might as well try to do what I can to keep some two faced idiot like Hillary from the Oval Vibrator - I mean Office.

The reason is simple. These emperors of yours may get elected in America, but they seem to stomp on our heads.

Ruvy why all the hate speeches about America lately?

Oops, that wasn't Glen, it was "Just One Man!" My sincerest apologies - to both of you!!

Jet, did you read my piece "Dependence Day" and especially comment 11? If you didn't read it - and you'll understand...

Jet...I never new you were of the Impeach Bush part of the party...It does clear things up for me though...The reason that Bush will not be impeached becaus it has ZERO support in your party or in the US...You cannot impeach a president because you just dont like them...the guy won not once BUT twice...It would be politcal sucide to impeach Bush...the Dems do not want to have their faces on 24/7 in the middle of an election cycle...The DEMs in power understand the more citizens see and hear them the worse their chances are of winning the white house...

Ruvy..whatever I dont like it when people who pledge their alligence to another country are allowed to vote in US elections...

Bush won just barely on both counts and it took the supreme court to do it once.

Clinton was impeached but cleared on all charges that started the whole thing in the beginning.

just keep spewing your little half-truths, the general public isn't fooled one bit

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Jerk,

Thanks for the humor...by the way did you ever find out who stole your strawberries?

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
-- Vice President Al Gore

"this is a standard that all should aspire to! Otherwise it's all meaningless jabber and a waste of everyone's time... right?"

Apparently not everyone.

Quite Roger, Quite!

If you moonbats are so high on Gore and sure he will win in 08 run him.

Do me the favor will ya

Ruvy#98. Wish it were not so Reuven concerning Americaland, however I must concur.

President Hildabeast. This is the future of my beloved country I fought for. How sad. Ignorance has invested our drinking water.

Will be gone when the S hits the fan.

sr

Re #107 and #119 JustOneMan:

No taxation without representation -- remember? It was important enough a principle for us Americans to declare our independence from England over it.

So...as long as the IRS expects us dual citizens to keep reporting to them, I figure nobody's got grounds for complaint against our also retaining the right to vote in US elections.

MAOZ,

We dont really need or want your scheckles....still dont want NON-AMERICANS voting!

#128 JustOneMan, when you say "We dont really need or want your scheckles" [sic here and there] perhaps you should admit that you're not speaking for the U.S. Internal Revenue Service -- though it certainly wouldn't break my heart if, in this case at least, you were. Halevai! ["If only!"]

JustOneMan,

Your IRS is a garden delight compared to the Mas hakhnasá that collects taxes here, but they still hold their hands out for our shekels (spell it right, dammit). And they would even if we renounced our citizenship...

So long as we have to deal with the bastards, and so long as we do have American citizenship, MAOZ and I, we'll continue to insist on its benefits and, if we can vote in your elections, wew will. You don't like it? Take it up with your congressman and senator. Write Bush a letter.

Right now it is the law of the land, enshrined in a treaty between the United States and the State (gag, giggle) of Israel. Until I run for elective office here, I do not have to give up my citizenship.

If you really want to get me off you voting rolls, send a HEFTY contribution to the "Elect Ruvy in Jerusalem Campaign Committee".

I guess you are right the US is already proping up your failing economy...we the US taxpayers are sending $23,240 per Israeli...hmmm about $2.5 billion total 2.2 in military and over $240 million in economic....so I can understand why you want to vote...we cant have the welfare and public assistance dry up....rather than keep up the anti american rant a simple thank you once in a while would be nice...


Gee what could American citizens do with all that welfare going to your country. I wonder

Another guy who has no clue how an imperial power uses foreign aid to keep other countries in line. I would much prefer it if my "brave leaders" would have the stones to turn down your aid and kick out your soldiers and your all too pervasive influence. But they don't. And they line their own pockets with a lot of the aid you send.

Right now I could use $46,480 (foir me and my wife). Heck, that's NIS 209,160. That would be rent for the next three years, plus a whole load of other things, not to mention a NIS 20,916 donation to charity - and a hefty chunk going to Mas hakhnasá...

Hmmmm.....so your against welfare...but you gladly take the money and all of the benefits..enjoy the freedom and security that the imperial power money brings...although you claim to be a victim you sound more like a hypocrit...

You're barking up the wrong tree here, JOM. Ruvy doesn't WANT Israel to take our money and the strings which it comes with. That's a good, principled position.

Dave

Tell me everyone: What the hell are we doing here? Are world leaders reading this in hopes that we'll educate them-NO. Do we honestly think we're actually going to change eachother's set minds-NO. Will the insults and radical views we're expressing here going to bring us closer together and form a better understand of our views-NO. Is topping one and other's smart ass remarks, and long-winded speeches that no one reads past the first paragraph or two going to ease our fear that someone else reading will see we've been "topped"-NO

Looks to me like we're all blown up in our own importance and all we're really doing is alienating eachother, and we claim we're intellegent people here?

Rather than contribute to this "I got the last word in so Nyah Nyah Nyah" contest, I've decided to wander off.

Have fun.

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Dave...the point is he doesnt have to stay there!
And Jerk ...cut out the "why cant we all just get along" crap!

JOM, I think he wants to stay in Israel, he just wants it to be a braver more independent Israel.

Are world leaders reading this in hopes that we'll educate them-NO.

We're not trying to sway world leaders, we're trying to generate awareness of issues so that people will become more active in opposing the misbehavior of those world leaders, leading to an eventual impact on policy. If we had a direct line to the power elite it would be a lot easier, but that's not the way things work.

Do we honestly think we're actually going to change eachother's set minds-NO.

I've seen people change their minds as a result of discussions here on BC.

Dave

Congrats! This article has been selected as one of this week's Editors' Picks.

Eric...here is a follow up story for you...Is there a connection betwee Gore and MySpace..ie donations ,advisory boards, etc,

Follow the money!

Follow Up...a press release state that "MySpace is also contributing ad space for raising awareness of climate change."

Hmmm did they donate space for any other movies...sounds like another stunt by Gore...

Of COURSE it's a stunt. But it's a clever one, and that deserves some respect.

Dave

Clever...respect...hey dont forget who we are talking about...I dont believe its correct English to to use those 2 words in a sentence describing EGore....words such as dullard and disgrace are much more appropriate

How about lockbox? is that an appropriate word to use with gore?

The sedatives must've kicked in, that was almost civil!

Al Gore is not on lockbox, nor is he a public listing.

Thank God!

Gore may be dull, but he's not a dullard. He has more brains than a lot of the buffoons we put in office, he's just lacking in charisma and people skills.

Dave

Dave, thank you for backing me up against JOM. You are right about Gore, of course. He's duller than watching grass grow, but he is a lot sharper than lots of politicians who could not navigate to the toilet without a handler.

The title of the article does say all. Gore is ahead of the curve, something that people do not want to forgive him for.

I voted for Gore in 2000 - I could not countenance the thought of an idiot running the country - and I still am forced to wonder if he would have led your economy down the tubes the way Bush has. He would have faced many of the same problems, like the dot.com bust, and likely would have faced 9/11 as well. And he would have been just as bad for Israel as Clinton was, but looking at things from an Americanp erspective, that is not an important issue at all..

But would he have spent you into the hole for the next four generations, and have been so stupid to try such an extensive and expensive "regime change" in Iraq?

I wonder...

Ruvy,

Your #148:

..."But would he have spent you into the hole for the next four generations, and have been so stupid to try such an extensive and expensive "regime change" in Iraq?"

Probably not the Iraq thing, but spend; yeah, that's what politicians do.

"just as bad for Israel as Clinton"

Ruvy...you juts proved my point why dual citizens should not be allowed to vote! Presidents are sworn to protect the American people...not prop up the failing economies and societies of other countries...

In addition Dave...hmmm lacking people skills...you cannot lead a country without have basic people skilss which EGore does not...I not sure where you can support that Egore is so smart...he hasn proven it to the majority of Americans or his own party...

Ruvy...

So you are saying its ok to support the mid-east Israeli regime change for the past 40 years or so but not the Iraqi regime change? Please explain the difference?

Clavos,

Spending America into a hole is precisely what Clinton didn't do. Blowjobs and all, he did the one of most basic things a leader has to do for his country - make it more solvent.

He had a good economy to work with that collapsed just as he left. Would Gore have followed Clinton's lead or would he have just written blank checks against the future, as Bush has. That is a fair question.

Clinton didn't do such a hot job protecting the country's security - but at least he wasn't beholden to the bin laden family, as is your brave leader today.

American presidents are sworn to protect the American constitution, not the people. Read the damned document, JOM! The oath of office in comntained within.

When I voted for Clinton and for Gore, I was not a citizen of Israel and generally did not take into account the interests of the Jewish State. Had I, I would have stayed home.

When writing to America in 2004, I recommended Jews to go out and vote - and to not vote for the president at all. Neither Kerry nor Bush would do Israel any good and I was reasonably sure that the Republicans would maintain control of the congress, making it impossibe for Kerry to avoid the pathetic deficit spending of his immediate predecessor. This meant that Kerry wouldn't do America any good, either.

My co-religionists didn't listen, but that is no surprise.

Finally, JOM, read my article on Blog Critics, "Dependence Day" - and read through to comment 11. There you will understand my point of view. It'll piss you off even more, but that's okay.

Ruvy...my position is that we are a "people of laws" embodied by the Constitution! Enough of your sidestepping and promoting of your meandering posts...please answer the question...

So you are saying its ok to support the mid-east Israeli regime change for the past 40 years or so but not the Iraqi regime change? Please explain the difference?

JOM-"you cannot lead a country without have basic people skilss which EGore does not...I not sure where you can support that Egore is so smart...he hasn proven it to the majority of Americans or his own party"

Neither has Bush at 32 percent approval rating!

You are correct but compared to EGores approval rating 0% - remember he lost the election...and ratther than take positions - war, peace, security, healthcare, economy...he hides behind mad3e up envirnmental issues where he can rantr and rave but not be accountable for anything...I would have some respect for Egore if would produced a movie and rallied behind some real issues...again he has taken a stand where we can skate by without being held accountable...on the other hand bush has proven to be a leader and taken responsibility for the hard issues

JOM your alternate reality is so screwed it's laughable. Gore lost to bush by a virtual tie so close that the Supreme court had to put Bush in office. That put's his approval rating at 50 percent-which higher than Bush at 32 percent.

Just keep ignoring reality and keep that pirate patch over your left eye so you can't use both sides of your brain.

I get embarrassed for our country every time I hear United States and U-nited States used in the same sentence because he can't make up his mind how to pronounce it. I get embarrased for us when Bush begins stammering like a REtard through a speech or worse when he OFTEN seems to forget what he's saying half way through a sentence. I cringe every time he used the word evildoer.

When Americans don't vote they get the president they deserve and we sure as hell did!

Tsk... tsk... tsk

SO much talk about a man who tried to steal an election and will never be president. There must be better topics to discuss.

Please just to remind you what the Eco-idiot savant said when had political power...

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Al Gore

"I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." -- Al Gore

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- Al Gore

"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." -- Vice President Al Gore


"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." -- Vice President Al Gore, 11/30/96

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future." -- Vice President Al Gore

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." -- Vice President Al Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93

"For NASA, space is still a high priority." -- Vice President Al Gore, 9/5/93

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Vice President Al Gore

NEED I SAY MORE!!!!!

JOM,

I do not have time to rewrite all that I wrote elsewhere. Your answer will be found in that article and my comments there, particularly comment #11.

And now I must get off the computer for two days. This evening is the holiday Shavuót and then there is the sabbath. That's at least 50 hours.

For a rebuttal of 160 watch any episode of the David Letterman Show for "Great Moments of Presidential speeches" and wantch Bush stutter, stammer, loose track, and make a fool of himself.

I KNOW you don't want me to start posting Bushit quotes here do you?

I don't want to have a battle of whits with an unarmed man.

you know, reading these comments, especially by justoneman (think up a new name... something not so... nevermind) and archie and others... they make me wonder about conservatives. i could see how someone could hold one or two strange positions on something. maybe daddy hit you too hard a couple of times... maybe you were raped by an immigrant or something... but, i just don't know how people can ever be so selfish and hateful to despise gay people, immigrants, the environment, muslims, europe, the rest of mankind... i can't figure out a reason why... is it "just 'cause?" how is it that so many people can have such... cookie-cutter... i guess selfish is the only word. who's the moron who says that segregation is a good thing? my god... "if it ain't white and it ain't american and it don't agree with me, i fuckin hate it and want to shoot it with my gun." whatever. just a question. what's the question? why? how? what?

Easy Zing, they're writing toward imaginary fan clubs!

no they aren't jet. that's the problem. where do people get ideas like this? why is it so popular to be a selfish dick? i just don't get it... someone help me understand. where is the motivation for being a conservative? does it make you feel good to shut out the rest of the world? to only care about yourself?

you see liberals/leftists/democrats as having some sort of fake-sympathy which we use to exploit people... maybe some l/l/d's to that shit, i dunno. i'm in no position to exploit anyone, and i wouldn't want to if i could. i think it's some sort of reflection of conservatives that they would accuse people of this kind of shit. maybe i'm wrong.

here's my question(s) to conservatives... what is so attractive to you about being conservative? what good does it do anybody to hold your views? where did you get them?

hmmm... I dont get you guys..all I do is post the truth...real quotes from Egore and you start to try and paint people as "hate mongers" "queer bashers" etc.

It is obvious that you when you have no platform or answers to todays complex problems you resort to mud slinging and name calling. But guess what the liberal left has actual become the intoloerant voice of America... if you dont support gay marraige or oppressive welfare programs, discrimiatory quota systems you are shouted down...

The left has become no more tolerant than the KKK and Nazi party.

i'm not talking about posting silly gore quotes. big truth there. yip, eee. i'm talking about most of the other shit you have to say. you know it best, you said it. yes, you should be shouted down if you don't support equal rights for gay people, because they are human beings and they deserve it. welfare and quota programs are up for debate. they've got their good points and their bad points. i think you should put yourself in someone else's shoes, white bread, then think about how you would feel about those programs. and when did welfare oppress you? when you paid your taxes? how much do you have to pay to help millions of people? um, couple bucks a month? oooo. spare me.

the left... or, let's just say me... i am intolerant of selfishness and discrimination based on a lack of empathy for your fellow man. i find it disgusting.

but why don't you answer the question? defend yourself. i want to understand. i'm tired of getting angry at something that i truly cannot fathom... i can't see how you get the idea that you are worth more than anyone else. help me out here. I WANT TO KNOW.

Zing....

"white bread" hmm let me add racist to the list describing you...

Why do you assume I am white? Hmmm

Where did I get my views..

Well it started when my Grandparents landed in America to leave the shit hole where the grew up..My grandfather joined the service to fast track his citizenship..learned english ..and bragged that he was an American...working his ass off with 2 jobs he managed to buy house and raise a familiy...my father did the same working
2 jobs to move us out the emerging third world of Brooklyn...we did the cub scouts and boy scouts...im an eagle scout.. my mom worked FULL time to pay for me and my siblings college education...you see sing if you are white with an family of 5 making under 45K a year there are no special programs or quotas...you have to work and earn it...put myself through an MBA...now I am married with children. Own my own business..

Every day I see the US dumbing down the requirements for school and business...just to be "fair"...schools forcing parents to be "politacal correct" so johhny wont have his feelings hurt...its a crock of shit...hey its america..I dont have to like you but I do have to tolerate you..is that wrong?

You should answer the same question how the hell did you get to believe what you believe? Was it the incident at camp? Did you grow up with out a Daddy? Or are you still trying to figure out who he is? Did that sting a little ...BOY.....

So there is my story...

haven't read your full statement yet, but yeah, you're white. you've said as much several times. i'm white too. so, holy racism! white bread. it's funny. leave it alone.

i don't want a personal history. christ.

i want to know why you feel that protecting the environment is a waste of time? why a gay man shouldn't be able to visit his dying lover in the hospital? why you don't care about the plight of the poor, even though you came from it? is it because you didn't get enough help back when? is it because it doesn't affect you personally? effect? affect? hmmph.

yes, you should be tolerant of people who are different than you are. that's not a crock of shit. and yes, it is wrong not to be tolerant of other people.

i don't know how i got to be so liberal... maybe because i was born human? it just seems fair that you don't deny someone something just because you don't appreciate it, whether you are entitled to it or not. and you definitely don't screw over large portions of the population out of jealousy. try again.

News Alert - LIBERALS CAN BE RACISTS

did you call me "boy?"

come on... get on with it.

ZING ..chill out...did you see what you just wrote!

i don't know how i got to be so liberal... maybe because i was born human?

Are you saying that people who dont agree with you are not Human!!! So much for tolerance...how come you are not tolerate with those that dont agree with you!

.I not sure where you can support that Egore is so smart...he hasn proven it to the majority of Americans or his own party...

I have the advantage of actually having known and worked for Gore, so I have more of an insight into his abilities. He's very distant and rather peculiar, but he's basically pretty intelligent. Not necessarily a genius, but he makes an effort to think outside the lockbox, as it were.

That said, I didn't vote for him in 2000. I didn't see him as being significantly better than Bush at that time. In retrospect I might have voted for him, but I doubt we'd be at all better off now if he'd won. The economy would likely be in worse shape and we'd be involved in the war on terror in one way or another no matter what.

Dave

no, not saying that people who don't agree with me aren't human. hmm. that's confusing. anyway, i'm saying that people's common humanity should preclude your way of thinking... that gay people aren't worth as much as you, that poor people don't deserve a chance to be helped, etc. it doesn't make you any less human, it just makes you not so good at being human.

i tolerate people i don't agree with. you don't see me out there campaigning against their equal rights or anything, do you? i just have issues with their way of thinking. i don't understand how someone can... oh what's the point?

so, did you call me "boy?"

Dave,

Good insights on Egore..at the end the day..who ever is in the whitehouse doesnt effect our lives much...The House and Senate is where the real issues are. The current lack of vision and leadership is amazing! This election Cycle should be pretty intersted..sort of like a movie staring Dems and Repubs...how does "Dumb and Dumber" sound!

(I hope this post doesnt offend the Dumb)

DID YOU CALL ME "BOY?"

So Dave..besides Billary who do you believe is the most likely Dem candidate?

didyoucallme"boy?"

BOY!!! Cant you read!

i'm just trying to figure out if you said it as in "boy, howdy," you know, like an exclamation, or if you were referencing the white-black-slave dynamic in calling me "boy" like i was a servant or something. so which is it? are you racist? or are you just saying, "boy..."

so, did you call me "boy?"

Again with the racism...why are you always looking for ways to be devisive...boy oh boy!

you called me "boy," asshole. it's a racist term. you don't get to call grown-up men "boy" anymore.

just pointing out the irony of #'s 168 and 171 anyway.

so, don't call me "boy." if you do, you are, indeed, a racist peice of shit.

cracker. wee-oo. i get such joy out of this. don't call me boy.

Zing. Thank you for again proving the point of how feckless and small minded the left can be...I bet you were a Deaniac!! Oh no!

Hey, comments editor...where are you??????

Clavos I agree! Can we bring this back on topic!

yes... call me feckless and small-minded if you want, but don't call me boy anymore, k?

other than that, go and look at your comments. it proves what self-righteous, question-dodging hypocrites the right can be. oh poor me! i'm white in america!

no, i wasn't a "Deaniac."

the comments editor should have a good time with this one...

what is so attractive to you about being conservative? what good does it do anybody to hold your views? where did you get them?

Fair enoug h question.

Here's my answer zing.

I look at the issues currently facaing us and the philosopohies of consevratism versus liberalism and conservatism just makes more sense and seems right to me. Some examples:

Abortion....I believe that abortion is murder and the lengths that the left will go to defend it are stunning. Planned parenthood has been caught on tape numerous times lying to 13 year old girls about abortion law in order to get them through the door. PP has also produced and sold a tshirt that said i had an abortion" as if this were some badge of honor. Also every time a parental notification law is proposed planned parenthood objects to it because every family is a disfunctional one in which the young girl would get beaten to within an inch of thier life if theri parents found out. Some may say that it is not very conservative of me to tell a woman what to do with her body.. but then to me it's not just her body it's another human being. I have no desire that society tell a non pregnant woman what to do with her body.


Race.......Liberals just love to call all conservatives and repubs racists but it is actually the libs who seem more racist to me. The whole liberal approach to minorities is vote for Dems because without dems in power and the help of dems all you can be is a victim. That's pretty patronizing. Not only that but many libs have proven over and over again that they believe race dictates or should dictate political and social ideology. Many libs just love to call a black person uncle tom, race traitior or other slurs if they are not liberal or dem. Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice, and Michael Steeele are all prime examples. Also liberals tend to perpetuate the idea that whenever people of different races are involved in a single issue and the minority is not cast in a positive light racism is at work. Case in point cynthia mcckinney...... people critisizing her were not doing it because she was wrong to hit a cop but rather they were racist.....the duke rape case.....the woman was black and accusing white men of raping her.....it's impossible for a black woman to lie so anyone who questions her story regardlesss of the evidence is racist.. right? then there's the double standard of what white libs are allowed to say but white conservatives arent.....trennt lott had to resign because he mentioned strom thurmond but hillary can say "ghandi owned a gas station" and " her plantation remark....

john kerry and bill clinton can campaign in churches but if a repub even mentions religion they are religious nuts who want to impose a theocracy

then there's the leftist culture on american college campuses....liberals claim to be open minded and value free speech but they have proven they're not.... any thought or expression that is not left of center is usually vehemently attacked and silenced on campuses.. wether it's throwing pies at ann coulter, forcing larry summers to resign or telling condaleeze rice she can't speak at BC because her views don't reflect it's jesuit founding while allowing many pro-choice speakers to speak though.....


crime....... liberals generally tend to be more concerned with criminal rights than conservatives
right now in massachusetts a man who murdered his wife by strangualtion and is in prison is now suing the state to make it provide money for him to get a sex change operation and all kinds of lib groups in ma are sticking up for him, his lawyer said he is so distraught that if he doesnt get the operation he will kill himself....as far as im concerned i don't even think this man's life is worth the money it would cost to provide the op
then theres the whole different philosophy of life..... american liberals seem to feel that people are enitlted to things.........liberals think that everyone should have the same quality of life regardless of the discrepencies in the amount of effort put forth...liberals believe that one person's taxes should be used to support the lifestyle of another......liberals also like to make excuses for people's personal shortcomings rather than blaming the person...

conservatives believe in self reliance and responsibility.... we believe in working hard ourselves to better our own lives and not