Honestly, nothing will happen unless businesses are regulated more effectively. That's tough because, in general, regulation goes against Republican thought.

Third-Party Time: Bush has touched the third-rail of politics--straddling the fence and falling off!!! The Conservatives will NOT stand for his sabre rattling without a sabre...

Third Party thinking...it's not too late...

Heloise

Yah, the GOP is running a terrible risk of doing something sensible because of Bush's leadership. Gosh, that's scary.

And BTW, no one has proposed an 'amnesty type' bill yet. Even the most moderate proposals included punishment for illegal immigration and no automatic path to citizenship.

Dave

We need Regime Change in Mexico City so lively US businessmen can take capital to Mexico and make a profit while employing Mexican natives.

At one time the delusional neocon enthusiasts of Iraq Regime Change were talking about a blossoming of capitalism in an occupied Iraq. Better they should think about Mexico, which is a better candidate. But, of course, they're too stupid.

The Mexican revolution in 1911 was all about getting rid of "gringo" capital. the reason nobody wants to try "regime change"in Mexico is because it is so close and they can see the casualties rising into the thousands.

Iraq was far away - the other side of the earth. "You know what they say abut "the grass being grfeeneer on the other side," don't you?

It's not that the Neocons are stupid, Bliffle, it's that the Mexicans are inherently self-destructive. It would take far more violence and bloodshed to make Mexico a functional productive nation than it would in Iraq. Iraq just had a bad government. Mexico has a bad government and a tradition of internal problems and mismanagement and corruption which would be hard to overcome.

Dave

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"t's that the Mexicans are inherently self-destructive."

Once again bigotry rears its ugly head.

Oh, wait. That's just Dave Nalle again...

We went to war with Iraq...did we bomb the wrong country? Shouldn't we be at war with Mexico instead?

Heloise

A simple solution to the Illegal Immigration problem is to fine the Mexican Government $$$$ for each individual caught entering America illegally. This would apply to any other government who winks and sends it people to invade America illegally.
Also, the word IMMIGRATION is not the same as ILLEGAL and our politicians need to get this word straight.
American land and business's should not be allowed to be sold to those who are not American citizens. America is not a piece of meat to be chopped away at and sold.
Companies in America need to employ American citizens and if they are going broke in the process then something is rotten in the business world. Fine those business's and persons who are harboring and hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS. Those who do so dishonor their country and their fellow Americans. How in the heck has America gotten along all of these centuries without illegal labor? Those who are buying the ILLEGAL WORKERS are guilty of working against America's principals and values. Those guilty parties are chipping away at the good character and honesty of every other American who is opposed to such actions. Just as our soldiers represent America and every citizen in America when they go abroad to fight wars, the individual American and all business's in America represent their countries values and beliefs. As a country, we must all share the belief that America represents justice, freedom, respect, honesty and fair dealing.

My country, Spain, is now overcome by illegal immigration from Africa, most of them Muslims from North Africa, thousands arrive every week. On top of it, Prime Minister Zapatero, perhaps the most stupid politician ever to have ruled in Europe, means enable them to vote in local elections. This will break the delicate balance of power in important cities, in favour of Islamic parties. Rights, rights and more rights for them... duties? No duties. My country is killing itself.

Oscar, it's a good thing the Muslims didn't choose to invade as "immigrants" instead of using the sword, when Europeans turned them back hundreds of years ago. The whole world would be Muslim right now, and we'd all be bowing five times a day to Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Or would we? Europeans had some spine in those days, and unless they start showing some pretty damn soon, like the BNP in England is, and sending every single Muslim anywhere in Europe back to where they came from, native Europeans will loose control of their countries in less than fifty years. And since most of your Muslims are Blacks, chances are your children and grandchildren will be dispossessed and then slaughtered - just like what's happening today to the Whites in South Africa.

We need Regime Change in Mexico City so lively US businessmen can take capital to Mexico and make a profit while employing Mexican natives.

No regime change necessary. Plenty of American (and other country's) businesses already operate in Mexico, some of them (the big three US automakers, e.g.) for more than 50 years. Wal Mart De Mexico is now that company's fastest growing division. There are dozens of maquiladoras (assembly plants) of all nationalities operating in the border tax-free zone.

But many Americans are unhappy with all this US capital investment in Mexico, because they say it's taking US jobs out of the country.

The Mexican revolution in 1911 was all about getting rid of "gringo" capital.

Actually, the Mexican Revolution was about agrarian reform. Although much of the problem was land in American hands, the greater problem was that the campesinos (peasants) had been totally shut out of land ownership by the oligarchical structure of the government under Porfirio Díaz and his predecessors.

Ironically, the campesinos never did acquire equality of land ownership. The Revolution divided the land into communally farmed (the state retained title) ejidos, with each individual family directly owning only a small parcela, which was too small for subsistence. Though variations of that system still exist today, various Mexican governments since the revolution have gradually allowed large land holdings, haciendas, to return, particularly in the northern states.

The real purge of Gringo capital came in the 1930s, when the American and British oil companies were kicked out, and their fields and equipment expropriated. All oil production in Mexico since then has been cotrolled by Pemex, the state-owned oil company, though there are rumblings now of at least partial return to private ownership.

Dave, I have to disagree with your #6.

Mexico is actually reforming itself, and doing so in a relatively orderly process, within the law.

It's a very slow process, and you are entirely correct about the internal problems they face. I have posted in other threads how the Mexican culture has long-standing customs of corruption and cronyism.

The results and aftermath of July's presidential election are strong evidence of the ongoing internal reform. This was the most scrutinized Mexican election in history, and despite Lopez Obrador's protestations to the countrary, the most honest as well, according to international observers.

For the past 25-30 years, the Mexican economy has been growing robustly. Mexico now has the fastest growing middle class in Latin America; an important achievement, as until recently, the middle class was almost nonexistent.

All of that said, they still have a long way to go, but the signs of true reform are there, and are present in all aspects of the Mexican culture.

And all of this has been accomplished with no violence whatsoever.