Blogcritics Comments on Lettuce @ $7.00 a Head... Or How About "U-Pick It Yourself"?

Comment by RogerMDillon

Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:36:35 EDT

"we need to make the process of emigrating here legally more easy." Dude, you are priceless. I can see that time off hasn't helped with your schooling one bit. I hope the Iraq rebuild is still full swing this summer so the army can "immigrate" you there.

Comment by alethinos59

Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:06:03 EDT

By God RJ, you actually are right for once. The fed min., wage is $5.15. RJ, you need to realize that you INVITE abuse, it would be rude of you not to accept it. At least my little digs against the likes of you and Arch have some bit of WIT to them... It's good to give to those with LESS... I'm sure we'll catch one another around the next critical issue! Alethinos

Comment by RJ Elliott

Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:22:34 EDT

"We all KNOW what the minimum wage is..." Well, apparently YOU didn't, since you claimed it was $5.50 per hour... I can tell that I am frustrating you to no end, by having the gall to point out your numerous factual inaccuracies and seriously-flawed logic. This frustration is made obvious by your endless (unedited!) personal attacks against me and anyone else who disagrees with your opinions. So, to sum up: You "facts" are wrong, your "arguments" are specious, and you are rude on top of it all. HAND.

Comment by Nancy

Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:37:11 EDT

Georgio, guess I do have the grace of having been born into a better time. I have never in my conscious life been aware of anyone being barred from anywhere for any particular reason (except being noisy & ill-behaved). At least, everyone in my Brownie/Girl Scout troop went all over together, with no problems, from grade school right thru college, & we were a fairly mixed bag: 5 American whites (3 of them Jews), 1 German, 2 American blacks, 1 Japanese-American, 2 Hispanics (actually, Portugese/Brazilian). You're right; that is a lovely privilege. Don't remember anyone ever fighting or calling names based on ethnic/race, either, altho we were all sick w/envy over the gorgeous kimonos & dolls one of us was lucky enough to have been born to as her ethnic heritage.

Comment by Christopher Rose

Tue, 4 Apr 2006 04:33:21 EDT

Dave, if there is a law against jaywalking in the UK, and I'm not sure there is, it must be one of those that is never enforced as I have jaywalked all my life, never had any traffic or police problems till I set foot in the USA, where all the cops are so rude and bossy. Russia? Yeah, like they even have laws in Putin's playground, lol!

Comment by A.G.

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:07:35 EDT

Safety first

Comment by Dave Nalle

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:36:16 EDT

People can break the law without even meanig to in your country. I mean, jaywalking? Come on? As far as I know, the USA, the home of the free, is the only country to have come up with that one. Actually, England and Russia both have jaywalking laws as I recall from my time living there. The key thing about jaywalking laws is that they are mostly honored by not being enforced. But we've got way worse intrusive and unnecessary laws than that. How about mandatory seat belt and helmet laws? Dave

Comment by A.G.

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:28:06 EDT

How does someone be born illegally?

Comment by Georgio

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:25:35 EDT

You were born illegally? My condolences. Why the Condolences Nancy ..I have been a good Citizen for 75 years ...I doubt if you are that old or you would remember how rotten the laws where for blacks and how Jews where not allowed in Country Clubs

Comment by A.G.

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:41:47 EDT

Look who is trying to get me to chnage the subject.

Comment by gonzo marx

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:30:41 EDT

good old Ant G once again displays a lack of Logic in his arguments when he sez... *You support the right to end an unborn's life,* ummm....an "unborn" is not "alive" yet...by definition... one must be born to be alive...Q.E.D. thus endeth the Lesson Excelsior!

Comment by A.G.

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:25:37 EDT

All over the map? Well let us see: You support the right to end an unborn's life, you support the right for to men to marry, you do not support the war on terror. So where do you and I agree at? I believe that it should be made a felony to cross the border illegally, we should build a wall across the border and we need to make the process of emigrating here legally more easy. If we make the process easier we will see a flow of new legal immigrants not just from Mexico, but from all over the world. Wouldn't that be great?

Comment by Christopher Rose

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:19:08 EDT

Nancy, I was querying where this totally inflexible attitude of yours would lead if develpoed as a policy. Laws change all the time, it's not like they were set in stone from a higher authority. People can break the law without even meanig to in your country. I mean, jaywalking? Come on? As far as I know, the USA, the home of the free, is the only country to have come up with that one. Unquestioning servitude to manmade laws isn't freedom as I understand it and your unyielding assertion of the iron rule of law seems oddly lopsided.

Comment by Nancy

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:24:50 EDT

BTW, don't label me as a liberal or any such thing. My attitudes are all over the map. On some issues I'm to the right of John Birch, on others, to the left of Attila the Hun; it depends on the issue. I suspect I'm not the only one. "Good liberal" my fat butt...I thought we weren't supposed to be doing litmus tests?

Comment by Nancy

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:07:17 EDT

You were born illegally? My condolences.

Comment by Georgio

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:03:06 EDT

Nancy I'm starting to get pissed with your total intolerance and lack of an open mind ..Your beginning to sound like the right wing Christian fanatics instead of the Liberal I know you to be ..Let me ask you a Question ..suppose the SC passes a law to do away with abortion and the penalty is jail no exceptions ..would you say every woman should obey that law ?huh huh...and as to your point about no kid should receive citizenship unless parents are legals is pure BULLSHIT and not thought out ..My Mother and Father where not citizens yet when I was born as where millions of others who came from the old country 75 years ago ..They raised good families and I would not doubt that plenty of the biggest names living in this Country where born that way..

Comment by Nancy

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:51:51 EDT

I thought I could speak English pretty well, and I could read what's written, so I don't see how I've "twisted" your words. Please do elaborate, than, on what you DO mean, if you weren't advocating not enforcing laws for anybody because one group or another doesn't obey them.

Comment by Christopher Rose

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:50:51 EDT

Nancy, maybe one day an attitude like yours will be illegal and you'll be able to rejoin the rest of us. And at what age does one one stop twisting people's words to misrepresent what they said as a way of avoiding the original question? Obviously a little older than you!

Comment by Richard Brodie

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:42:43 EDT

Richard B., Kennedy-McCain is dead man. It's last week's news. I guess enough people realized what a pile of Billshit it was, how costly to process the forests of trees necessary to monitor all its requirements, and how impossible to enforce its myriad provisions.

Comment by Nancy

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:26:48 EDT

If I'm the only one not in jail, it would be because maybe I'm the only one not trying to get away with something for nothing. Am I supposed to go out & steal because everybody else does? Am I supposed to lie under oath because everybody else thinks it's OK? Am I supposed to go out & speed, ignore stop signs, cut off other drivers, endanger pedestrians & generally act like a pig because the majority of other drivers do so? Sorry, Chris, but the "everybody does it, so it's OK" argument is only valid when you're about 3 years old. After that, you're supposed to learn better.

Comment by Christopher Rose

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:17:01 EDT

Nancy, my logic didn't lead anywhere as I was asking the question of you. I do notice a certain worrying correlation between your tolerance for dissenting views and your eagerness for totalitarian obedience to the law. I sure hope there aren't too many laws where you live, it could get really lonely when you're the only one not in jail! *ducks and covers*

Comment by Nancy

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:09:58 EDT

I worry where YOUR logic would lead: some US citizens ignore the laws, therefore everybody should be able to? Bullshit. Start enforcing the goddamned laws. No exceptions.

Comment by Christopher Rose

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:51:01 EDT

I have a lot of sympathy for what you're saying Nancy, but I worry where your logic would lead. It seems a little harsh to demand total obedience to the law on the part of illegal entrants to the USA when a large minority of its citizens don't seem to be able to obey the law themselves. Changing tack, does anyone have any info on how many people emigrate from the USA to pastures new?

Comment by Nancy

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:36:53 EDT

Having had a weekend to cogitate, I have to say #159 makes some pretty salient points. As far as I can tell, so far all the proposed congressional plans to "deal" w/illegal immigration & reform are going to do only two things: vastly increase the already-swollen federal workforce by creating even more half-assed feckless federal bureaucracies whose main function will be to provide endless reports with conflicting results, which no one reads & no one can understand anyway - and vastly increase the cost to US taxpayers. Perhaps by creating vast new bureaucracies, that's how congress plans to employ all the illegals they'll be admitting gratis to the country? Congress must be insane (or just plain stupid) to think that mandating illegals to sign up, pay fines, etc. is going to work. Do those bozos on The Hill seriously think anyone is going to line up for this crap just because THEY say so? Why should they? And if they don't how is Congress going to enforce it - by telling them they're not going to get a gold star this week? They don't have these peoples' names, don't know who they are, where they live, etc., and when they do, the INS doesn't do a damned thing about it, so what is the incentive for illegals to 'turn themselves in', so to speak? I sure as hell wouldn't if I were illegal. I've noticed there are no penalties in any of this. Of course Congress isn't going to piss off business, so they're not going to penalize employers who hire illegals (altho it doesn't seem to bother them to piss off workers or Labor). What's more puzzling is that congress seems to be afraid to piss off Latino voters. Why? Technically, except in a very few places, there aren't that many Latinos eligibigle to vote. Are politicians saying they know that there are substantial votes being cast in some states by illegals? If that's the case, we need more than some feckless, stupid, voluntary guidelines for illegals to become citizens, because that's big-time voting fraud, which is a worse, and far more immediate problem. Mr. Brodie, your ex-son-in-law sounds more like a typical guy of ANY group who slides along on his good looks & charm instead of backing it with brains & quality work. I don't think being Mexican/Latino (or any other nationality/group) has anything to do with it. I know lots of old-family WASP guys who think like that, too. It's a guy thing, not an ethnic thing. Georgio, compassion has no place in this. We have NO reason or requirement to extend "compassion" (read: free schooling, subsidized housing & medical care, etc. etc. etc.) to people who are here illegally, for whatever motive, whether it's to make a better life for themselves or to blow up our bridges. We are NOT responsible for the welfare of every loser in the rest of the world, or that of their brats. Wanting a better life doesn't give anyone a license to steal, and that's basically what they're doing by being here illegally: stealing. Stealing resources paid for by actual citizens for themselves & their families. With the exception of sales taxes, which are negligible & of extremely limited scope, illegals do NOT pay taxes. They contribute nothing. But they create demands for quite a bit: schooling, medical care, housing, transportation, food, increased police & fire presence, etc. etc. yada yada yada. Far too many of them are thugs or have such low standards of socially acceptable behavior (especially their pubescent kids) they are also an increasing & major source of crime, their teenaged (& sometimes younger) offspring a major component of such gangs as MS-13, which at least in the DC area has become a big problem & major source of a myriad of criminal activities. And they join with impunity, knowing that if caught, they won't be deported. Hell, they likely won't even go to jail. One provision which should be enacted (and of course no one in congress has the balls to propose it) is to immediately cease giving US citizenship to kids born in the US of illegal parents. Citizenship should not be automatic just because your mother happens to have been here when she finally spawned. Citizenship should follow the status of the parent: if you're born to legal citizens, then you are a legal citizen; otherwise, if they're illegal, then like them, you're illegal, and likewise you retain your parents' status as renegade Europeans, Africans, South Americans, Asians, or whatever. I should think that alone would put a kink in a lot of peoples' plans for living here, since it seems to be a big part in current loopholes for deportations & creation of hazy legal status for appeals. Bottom line however, always seems to get back to, LEGAL immigrants are welcome. It's the illegals we need to blow off, without exception, without excuse, and without compassion or pity. If they really want to come here to live & work, they can start by obeying the laws, however seemingly unfair.

Comment by Christopher Rose

Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:17:39 EDT

"It is a national security issue running around on the internet telling everyone what your name is." Still as sane as ever, Anthony! Welcome back you little internet terrorist you!!