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Comment by citizen on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:06:54 EDT

MUSLIM SCUM SPREAD THE WORD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjFh4wR2QcM http://mosquewatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/die-non-muslim-scum.html http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29201_Wafa_Sultan_on_Al_Jazeera&only

Comment by Ruvy on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:33:34 EDT

I've been on this thread before - in fact I wrote comment #2 and comment #11. And I've read all sorts of ideas and arguments here and have discussed and argued with Moslems as well. But Rossh (I guess that is Ross H.), you don't make any sense at all. I realize you do to yourself - you wrote two long comments. But what you are trying to say is just not coming across.

Comment by rossh on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:18:48 EDT

propet Muhammad of 1400 was sign of last one to (come) Messiah or unversal divine messager relates to Gods coming their staement in the hadith of his saying that (sun) will rise in west that a metaphore, realistic planets go around Sun, Sun represent God gives Light of truth that will nourish us or life into growth spiritually advacement, prohet himself didnt slave black people not him personally even though he's a (white arab) himself freed those slaves, it was the white arabs are tribes in that time ruling that land. But original people of land were Black. Has black people we have mature or understand the root of justice and negatives that includes knoweldge of God,self,others we will not be able to give justice to ourselfs and juctice to white people. basically i want to say 66 trillions years are more ago long before the white people on this Earth one our Black Scientist(God) blasted the moon in space he wanted the entire planet to speake same dialect became frustrated, could not force his will ! that moon is a sign today, white scientist took samples of the moon they saying smell like smokey fuems powder, black people had problems with ourselfs since 66trillions . I do not want u to think the white man is source of ( all ) of our problems. The Bible say who responsible the clay are the potter. Black is essence which all colors come from, jesus says their sheep not of this fold and joseph many colors, thats body of Christ, will be in Kingdom Of heaven or Peace on earth thats what (Islam) is by action , all prophets taught relgion of peace, freedom ,justice, equality that nature of human being (muslim),why because created single essencs which is God himself and Woman is second self God cantains secret of God why she births God, Angels,Prophets, holy people, genius, gifted talents also the key kingdom of Heaven.

Comment by rossh on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:48:47 EDT

We must study what (Islam) really means that include deep understanding of the Bible and Holy Quran other sacred books we all have deviate from the prophets of God send are raise to every nation. Satan said he decieve all/ whole world not one particular relgion of our rebelliness. Every prohet that guide brought unity, all do respect the 24 elders are Scientist(Gods) that wrote the Bible and Quran in Quran u call them the Exalting Chiefs or Exalting Assembly, Counsels of God, Angelic beings, Aunnakin Of Summerians, Ascending Masters they have circle among them, very powerful divine man and one of them Supremer (Allah) the best Knower In Holy Quran says no matter what name u call him , In truth but Allah is proper name of Divine Being (He) represent all names in world, a Allah means All in the All that in the bible of Jesus saying also Jesus says he will be in his Farthers name ,Comforter or holy Spirit truth will be in Jesus name. Islam brings unity. U dont think God will (come) himself and raise a divine messager in (last days) whom all relegion looking for somebody with a (body) to come God whom made planets stars, universe,heavens has Utimate soulution to humanity problems. humanity wouldnt be here without his image as the Bible says, then how did we get our form. God always convey his Spirit human Form this is the best Form theirs no form greater than human form we are all not yet perfect we have to develop or grow into perfection. universe is material but the essence of Universe is spritual God is the everliving!

Comment by bliffle on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:37:47 EDT

Jordan, Seems to me your thinking is very confused. For example, I can't understand what you mean by referencing budhism. Is it your contention that I should credit your beliefs because you are willing to credit the beliefs of some budhist? Why would that be a convincing argument? Do you think it is incumbent upon me to give leeway to you in the same manner as you (may) be willing to give leeway to a budhist? That seems to me to be utterly unwarranted.

Comment by Clavos on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:43:58 EDT

No, a farrier.

Comment by RJ Elliott on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:38:16 EDT

What? Was he a jockey?

Comment by Clavos on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:29:40 EDT

"Considering our bridge-keeper's erstwhile profession" That's what I originally had in mind, but decided it sounded like a slam, which was definitely NOT my intention, hence the change. I like the bridge man.

Comment by Jordan Richardson on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:34:04 EDT

I'd also like to add that Hubba Bubba MAX Strawberry Watermelon is some delicious gum and I don't care if you credit my thoughts or find my gum love accessible or not.

Comment by Dr Dreadful on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:33:10 EDT

Clav @ #430: Considering our bridge-keeper's erstwhile profession, you likely had it right the first time!

Comment by Jordan Richardson on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:18:11 EDT

Now Troll, I'm going to have to flesh out that response a little bit because I attacked the comment just before bed last night. First of all, welcome back to the discussion. I hadn't realized that I'd "put words in your fingers" to such an extent. As far as I can tell, we were discussing inkblot tests and I only put words in my own fingers. I guess, however, your interpretation is as good as any. I do apologize. Second of all, I suppose you're right when you say that my beliefs cause me to be "intolerant of intolerance." I guess I'm curious as to why such a thing, of which most human beings are guilty of (after all, should I be tolerant of intolerance?), should be a "headache" or even a "contradiction?" Third, it is not my spiritually-held beliefs that cause me to be "intolerant of intolerance" but rather my humanistic beliefs. That is to say that it is my beliefs in equal human rights, compassion, and so forth that cause me to be intolerant of intolerance. I would have those beliefs and those ethics whether I considered myself a spiritual person or not. So you're sort of half-right in your assertion.

Comment by Jordan Richardson on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:09:56 EDT

Well Bliffle, I suppose it's every bit your right to remove a statement that was about my personal faith and take it to apply to any other statement, such as that I should say "I own a cat" or any other statement, and use it to establish a lack of credibility. Of course, that would be well within your reason to do so and you could apply that logic to everybody else on the planet with a spiritual belief or with an inherent lack of a spiritual belief. We cannot prove anything about the spiritual realm and yet a majority of the world's population believes in something spiritual, whether it's God or deities or ghosts or what have you. If, in your view, that makes the majority of the world unreliable in terms of credible witness on anything they say, I guess that's an ideology you had better be prepared to be consistent with. I, for one, can easily make the separation between one's personally-held beliefs or thoughts on matters of the heart or spirit and between factually observable and testable statements related to science or the natural world. When I said "I'm not asking you to credit my thoughts," it means that I'm not asking you to credit the thoughts we were talking about. (To be honest, I'm not asking you to credit any of my thoughts and you don't have to accept anything I have to say about any number of topics, much like I don't have to credit yours.) You can, however, go read one of my music reviews and say "well this guy believes in an unsubstantiated, untestable spiritual realm, so how can I trust what he has to say about Mariah Carey?" It'd be silly to do that, as I'd hope you'd approach each area on its own merits, but you could do that. I want to take you back to something you said in #416 to add to this. You said there was no good reason to believe in god or any holy texts. For me, there is a good reason and it is the spiritual compulsion I feel in my heart. That is the same good reason those who have an inkling to the spiritual world in any faith or any philosophical persuasion have. There are many things in the world we have subjective good reasons for and we take with a lack of verifiable, testable proof. A compulsion such as this cannot be proven unless you can "change places" with someone who feels it. I know why people would be compelled to be Buddhist, for instance, because I know many Buddhists. Nowhere in such an exchange do I say, "Well guys, you're Buddhists and I'm not and I can't understand your Buddhism. In other words, I can't understand anything you say about anything." I take their good reasons as being satisfying for them and treat them with respect and maturity, allowing each topical discussion to stand on its own merits. So why would you, specifically, listen to anything I have to say? I'm not sure. If you judge people in such a fashion as to discredit them for having a personal spiritual faith, I guess I wouldn't care much if you listened to me. If you, however, were like the majority of people I know and allowed topics to stand on their own merits and didn't have a requirement to understand every aspect of my character or my belief in order to converse and discuss important issues, I don't think it'd be a problem at all.

Comment by Jet in Columbus on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 05:44:39 EDT

Acutally Clavos I liked it better both ways... wait let me rephrase that...

Comment by bliffle on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 04:55:07 EDT

Jordan, why would I, or anyone, ever listen to a word you say? Why would you ever bother to even say anything to another person? "...I'm not asking you to credit my thoughts..."

Comment by Jordan Richardson on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 03:41:46 EDT

so it's more like your beliefs lead you to be intolerant of intolerance I would hope so. You certainly got me there.

Comment by Clavos on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Sat, 7 Jun 2008 01:05:48 EDT

Umm... Should have been: ...and nobody on this board can spot horseshit...

Comment by Clavos on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 23:32:26 EDT

...and nobody on this board knows horseshit like our troll...:>)

Comment by troll on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:35:50 EDT

Jordan - after reading you put words in my fingers a couple of times I pretty much wrote off trying to argue with you...but: you say - My beliefs do not lead to intolerance... yet earlier in the thread you were comfortable implying that bigotry and ignorance characterize those who accept the argument that the verse of the sword is the Book's final word on the subject of infidels and see Muslims who disagree with this interpretation as confused so it's more like your beliefs lead you to be intolerant of intolerance (with all of the contradictions and headaches in such a statement) ...but I do enjoy your flights of sanctimonious horse shit

Comment by Jordan Richardson on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:12:08 EDT

But that's just it, I'm not asking you to credit my thoughts. Faith is an individual, spiritual thing. Dogma, theology, and all of that other stuff has more objective, observational aspects, but I can't presume to describe YOUR spiritual workings any more than you can expect to understand mine. It is indeed a mystery how one communicates and sees the spectrum of the spiritual world. And, I'd argue, well it should be. We're better served as spiritual beings not as certainty-seeking egoists but rather as those seeking to find fulfillment in the wondering and in the asking of questions. Sounds a little bit broad, doesn't it? It is. The second you can pin down a person's spirituality into near-scientific formulaic drivel is the second it loses its power.

Comment by bliffle on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:06:06 EDT

"...my spiritual compulsion is the reason I believe in God. There's no way I can factually defend it, ..." Well then, there is no way I can credit your words and beliefs. It's a mystery, and inaccessible to me.

Comment by RJ Elliott on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:17:07 EDT

"I mean, if you were to drop by a model railroading board and say, "So - grown men playing with toy trains. You're really a sad bunch of mofos, aren't you?" the reaction would not be polite." I lol'd IRL...

Comment by Jordan Richardson on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:16:03 EDT

I think religion has to keep that way at its core to keep in touch with human nature. Let's face it: people love feeling exclusive. They love knowing something nobody else knows, practicing something nobody else practices, they love believing they're superior. The teachings of Christ and most religious prophets from Lao Tzu, Confucius, and most others was based around NOT believing in superiority but rather believing in unity. We're all "God's creation" for instance, and therefore need to work together in compassion and love. That's why Christ's FIRST teachings and Paul's reiteration of those teachings spoke of love and compassion before any of the other dogmatic stuff took place (one can argue how dogmatic Christ was a later date, as I think there's a sound argument that the majority of contemporary Christian dogma has little to do with what Christ actually taught and said, ie. Trinity theology). When religion learns to more purely follow the teachings of they prophets and leaders they ascribe to, I think you'll see a shift in the tolerance factor. People will start believing that a particular path is best for them and will believe that other paths may be better for their brothers and sisters, all of whom are seeking to find their way through this life as we hurtle through the cosmos. Dogma that has evolved through time and has been flimsily related to scriptures is something I've always had a problem with. Examples of this are, of course, the Trinity (which didn't come into form as we know it until around the 4th century and was based almost entirely around two highly suspect verses from the Bible, including Comma Johanneum, 1 John 5:7, which is absent from the Greek texts) and the sort of dispensationalist garbage brought about by Darby in the 1800s and popularized by the Left Behind fictional series. Yet these things become dogma in contemporary churches simply because tradition has passed them down. So again this shows a diversion from original texts and teachings and shows the arrogance of the human condition to impose regulations and restrictions for the sole purpose of exercising control through fear and faulty theology. My theologian friend often says that sound theology unearths how unsound theology actually is.

Comment by Druxxx on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:56:47 EDT

Jordan You get to the problem with religion and why I believe there is a god but refuse to follow any religion. Your relationship with god has to be personal. Different religions try to lump people together under one set of beliefs. Usually these beliefs become self serving. People become brainwashed and stop thinking for ones self. RJ is right in that religion at its core has to be intolerant to keep being a specific religion. To keep itself autonomous. If religions got all progressive like Jordan talks about, there would eventually become one religion or none at all. You would have believers and atheists. Tolerance would eventually make a specific religion obsolete.

Comment by Dr Dreadful on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:45:51 EDT

Well, of course RJ is right to an extent [pauses, turns head to one side and down, screams silently behind hand ;-)], although his example is hardly representative of a broad spectrum of opinion. Those special interest boards tend to devolve to a bunch of people patting one another on the back about how great their particular special interest is. I mean, if you were to drop by a model railroading board and say, "So - grown men playing with toy trains. You're really a sad bunch of mofos, aren't you?" the reaction would not be polite. But my response to Bliffle really has its roots in the post that started this whole (sub-)discussion: namely, Patrick's question about whether Allah specifically - not Islam - was intolerant of other faiths. The whole atheism-intolerance thing, to my mind, was just flipping that around.

Comment by Clavos on Islam - Religion Of Intolerance

Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:45:31 EDT

bliffle @#416: I was agreeing with you (yes, it does happen!) throughout that post, until this: "There's no good reason to believe in any god nor in any holy texts." Which, by virtue of being stated (as opposed to simply being held as a private principle), is intolerant.