Karma?

So when are the Clintons going to be punished for all the bad things they have done Natalie?

If you mean balancing the budget, reducing the size of the Federal government and reducing the welfare rolls, I think you're right.

We should ignore the possible criminal conspiracy to defraud the American people into supporting an unjustified war that has killed nearly 30,000 people and investigate...no wait...that doesn't make any sense.

Hmm, as much as I try to agree with Republicans, I can't. They just don't never make any sense.

I just have to point out that Reagan had people indicted by the bucketful and it didn't slow him down one bit, or make him any less loved or popular as a leader.

dave

I just have to point out that Reagan thought that trees cause air pollution.

They do, because they attract loggers and the loggers chainsaws burn gas. See, it's just a logical chain of events. Just like roads cause pollution because they attract cars.

Dave

"Suicidal Trees!" Film at eleven!

Bloody Bush! Finally someone else saying what I have been since the inception of this maggot's administration: he has American blood on his hands, and their deaths on his head. 2,000 Americans are dead for the noble cause of Smirk's ego: he wanted to be a War President, just like Poppy. And Cheney, Rumsfield, Rove, Libby, & the rest of the neocons were only too happy to help him do it.

God damn them all to the deepest levels of Hell for eternity - as Dante had it, the traitors' level.

Mr./Ms. Linguist, I hope it is soon. Being accountable for misdeeds is something that is inevitable for everyone, not just the Bush junta.

Oh -- and to defuse any erroneous suppositions right up front -- I supported the impeachment of Clinton.

Mr. Nalle, you make a good point. Indictments do not equal convictions. The difference here is that Shrubbie isn't quite so popular, and as more people internalize the depths of his sins, he could become less so.

'You may be a Cunning Linguist but I'm a Master Debater'

I think it is interesting that people on the sidelines are so anxious to declare public figures guilty before being sentenced and in this case guilty before being indicted.

Think of the people that were convinced Reagan was guilty in IranContra. Think of the people that were convinced Clinton was going to jail for Whitewater.

How about if we wait before we convict?

It's all just bread and circuses

Nancy, those who side with the terrorists, are terrorists!

Bullshit! Another lame attempt to demonize those that disagree w/Bloody Bush. Some of us at least are already aware of that tactic & have read Goering. Nice try, fool.

Don't respond to Nancy. She is a self proclaimed racist and hate monger.

Maurice, I explained my error & apologized. I didn't understand the term. I also asked you to please explain, and you haven't bothered, nor have you bothered to respond to my apology. You just keep repeating personal lies. That's your problem, not mine. I'm not grovelling to you.

Nancy,

this is my LAST response to you.

I asked you if you were a 'racist and hated religious people'.

You replied 'Goddam right!'

If another post to me you claimed 'everyone is a racist in their own way'.

None of those comments are acceptable.

That is why I say you are a 'self proclaimed racist'.

Mr. Phil, arguably Bloody Bush is the terrorist. Those committed to peace don't side with terrorists on either side of your war.

Mr. Maurice, I wrote that "indicted" does not equal "guilty." Do I believe someone is guilty? Absolutely, but I don't know who.

And guilty people are sometimes acquitted. Can you say OJ?

You are intent on continuing to misunderstand & misinterpret comments I have made, along w/further explanations. I made one apology, and you've made it clear you can't/won't accept it. As I said, I won't grovel to YOUR deliberate distortions or misinterpretations any more. I suspect you are severely neurotic & will continue to adversely react to any comment. Nuff said - to you, that is.

maurice, they should oust her from blogcritics! shes a leftist and a racist? thats a bad mix!

Natalie,

the tone of your post suggests you are ready to throw out presumption of innocence.

Your reply to me is tame compared to the rhetoric in the original post.

'He must be accountable for what he has wrought'

Wow

Mo, just let it go. there will always be less intelligent, less tolerable people in the world. its just another feminazi. Ive read some of her posts...I agree with you

There is no doubt that the blood of thousands is on his hand. Who instigated the invasion and occupation? Bush. That is the idea to which that statement refers. Plamegate and the grand jury investigation are offshoots from that. We don't know who is guilty of the leak. We don't know if the act was necessarily criminal. But we do know who started the so-called war. And for that, Bush must be held accountable. If Fitzgerald deems there is a case, then those involved with Plamegate -- if proven guilty -- will get theirs.

Oh, Mr. Maurice: If BC purged itself of "racists" and "hatemongers," a lot of people would be gone. You aren't going to like everyone you encounter here. To participate, you have to figure out how to deal with it. If someone really bothers you, the simplest thing to do is to ignore them.

Thanks, Steve and Natalie.

I've wished for an 'ignore poster button' because I have been sucked into a discussion too many times when it would have been better for me to not respond.

One last thought. The majority of posters and commenters here make for an enjoyable experience. Don't forget dietdoc.

Mr. Maurice wrote: "The majority of posters and commenters here make for an enjoyable experience."

That statement can be disputed. But yes, sometimes it is better to just say no. Staying away from those individuals I find most horrid and unpleasant has improved my experience greatly, though. It goes get difficult if the list becomes too long, though, I would imagine, so it seems prudent to use that tactic sparingly.

By the way, I should make it clear that I would not consider placing Ms. Nancy on such a list. She and I disagree from time to time, but she strikes me as a well-meaning person. And she's passionate about her views, which I can appreciate. Every now and then all of us can go a bit over the top and say regrettable things. She has apologized, which the truly terrible would never do.

Thank you, Ms. Davis, for the benefit of the doubt.

steve says:
'Mo, just let it go. there will always be less intelligent, less tolerable people in the world. its just another feminazi.'

I guess that's who Bush is down to, people who call any woman with an opinion different from their own a 'feminazi'

The only thing more disturbing than the fact that people like this exist in large enough numbers to highjack a major political party, is the fact that the American middle keeps falling for the idea of a tax break that will never have to be repaid, which let's the 'feminazi' crowd run D.C.

Seriously. But look at it this way: A person's use of that F word gives us clear signals about him or her.

Hey, schmuks, leave Nancy alone and don't nitpick her statements either. If you don't like free speech then YOU don't belong here.

>>And guilty people are sometimes acquitted.<<

Even more than this, the hard to accept truth is that sometimes there are people who are guilty who SHOULD be acquitted. Not saying that's the case here, but sometimes guilt is outweighed by other considerations.

As for the Plame business, the real concern here should be that the indictments which come down will end up not having anything to do with the actual outing of Plame, but with peoples actions after the fact. That seems like a very real possibility, and it doesn't address the problem if there is one.

Dave

Well, it does, tho, in that while it was bad enough someone conspired to "out" Plame (possibly for retaliatory purposes), that anyone being questioned would then lie about it would be even worse. This sort of thing would indeed subvert the entire investigation/grand jury/legal system. So if that's what they end up being indicted for, that's good enough. You don't lie to a grand jury. That some of them obviously did just illustrates the arrogance & contempt for the law rife among neocons.

Natalie,

Nancy has never apologized or retracted her claim. Here once again is the conversation I had with her:

Maurice: .. you are a racist and hate religious people?

Nancy: Goddam right!


You will notice that even in this thread she never denies saying this.

The apology she offered was for saying "mighty white of you". I have a hard time believing she had no idea what that comment implied. She only back pedaled once she realized there were 2 black people on the thread.

I make it a point to not play the race card but I don't think it is necessary to be silent when a racist or bigoted comment is made.

Maurice, regardless of race, you have amply demonstrated you are a fool & a jerk. IF I were a racist, as Ms. Natalie pointed out, I wouldn't have felt I had to apologize or explain regardless of HOW many blacks were on this thread. And I would have been delighted to have offended & upset you. Take or leave it, your choice, your problem. You don't like what I say, that's just too damned bad. Life is tough, ain't it? I'm not kissing your ass any further, you puerile, whining jackass of whatever color you are.

Nancy is one of my favorites and she says it like it is..keep up the good work Nancy..someone has to stand up to these right wing fanatics..

People are fools, jerks, and idiots if they don't agree with Nancy. So what form of fascism do you espose..damn I am glad you are not in charge

Well, I guess that puts me in good company with lots of others on this blogsite who can't/won't handle anyone who disagrees with them, now doesn't it?

Even more than this, the hard to accept truth is that sometimes there are people who are guilty who SHOULD be acquitted.

Right on, Dave. That is the truth. And those who aren't acquitted should be given a Presidential pardon. I would fully support a conditional Presidential pardon for Libby, Rove and any other White House official provided they come clean and tell us the whole undeniable truth. The spirit of meaness and territorialism has to stop and that may be a good place to start.

Natalie,

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- Temple