This is Sag-tire

What is the definition of love for Sagittarius men? Is their definition so different from everyone else's. Are most Sagittarian men know-it-alls?

I am a Sagitarrius. Does that qualify as an answer to your question?

Is it true that Sagittarians and Leos are supposed to be compatible?

I believe that most are intelligent... Do you consider yourself a know-it-all?

Yes. Sags, Leos and Aries are compatible.

Do I consider myself a know-it-all? No. I consider myself a know-a-lot. About what I know about, that is. :)

Well Silas,

I'm having trouble... I'm the Leo, he's the Sagittarius and a simple question turns into a lecture about something other than what you inquired about.

Are Sags really in touch with themselves or are they more interested in appearing impressive?

That's a double edged sword, Stumped. For the most part Sags are in touch with themselves and in doing so they have the penchant to appear impressive. Speaking for myself I am very much a free spirit and hate the thought of being tied down. I'm fluid and can change as situations dictate. If anything, I've learned that Sags are the kind of people who shoot those arrows to facilitate changes in the status quo. Most of us are loud mouthed, opinionated and argue from the perspective that we're always right. The reality is that underneath the facade, we're children at heart who tend to explore the wonderment of what's around us, never being fully satisfied. The best thing you can do as a Leo is not take him all that seriously. Let him act out and once it's over you'll be able to gently prod him in your direction. Leos are a stabilizing force for the Sagitarrian and relationships between the two are often filled with laughter and adventure. One thing you can be sure of is that there'll never be a dull moment, just a lot of hot air.

Whoops! Sorry about getting in this conversation. I thought that question was addressed to me.
::leaves the room::

Come back, elsa. I am dying to hear your take. A lot of people don't realize how many famous Sags there really are. We're such a delightful bunch.

Well I like y'all. And since I know you're here...
I have an old bit about sadge bluntness. I'm going to dig it up and post it. I wrote about Gemiliars once and people got pissed, so I wrote about the shadow side of sadge truth telling.

You'll laugh your ass off.

Okay, I found that piece on Sadge truth telling. It'll load on Sunday.

Cheerio!

Once upon a time I worked for a government security agency which shall remain initial-less. The odd thing about it was, of the 40-some agents in my unit (mostly male) 35 were sagittarians! My take would be sagg males are not mavericks. These guys were pretty straight, almost cartoonish, a la MIB.

Thanks Silas and Elsa...

Silas... thanks for the insight. It's perplexing at times where this man is coming from... I respect his ability to view the various angles of any one situation, but have my own set of thoughts and opinions as well... and sometimes feel that he is trying to impose his opinions on me to the point where I start hearing the sound effects from the teacher on Charlie Brown... wah, wah, wah, wah...

We do laugh a lot and geniunely enjoy one one another... there are times, however that I don't know how to take him...

7th december 1986 (9:48 Pm) INDIA - anybody can work for free on my natal chart , Pls ( Im a Sag - GOOD FORTUNE FOR YOU: Have Faith n Work it out )

What is the deal with being in a relationship with a Sagittarius (over 1 year) and he won't bring me around his friends, family or otherwise???

Stumped.

Stumped - I wouldn't hazard to guess without birth data.

This is what I know about his birth data:

Born November 25, 1972
Is that enough info?

Elsa,

I've been in a relationship with a Sagittarius male for nearly a year. We've enjoyed one another. He lives about an hour from me in a different state, so he would generally come down to visit every other weekend.

I started to see a pattern of him making plans on the off weekends, with no invitation for me to participate. As a matter of fact, I've never been invited to attend any functions or just hang out with him and his friends. Never mind that all of them have wives, girlfriends, etc.

I addressed over and over again the importance of being exposed to his life as he is to mine.

He invited me up once... yet I have still not met any of his peers, family members, etc.

At this point, I have told him that I won't be in a hidden relationship. He wants to make light of it and make attempts to avoid addressing the situation.

Now he needs "time to himself", yet he wants me to clarify what level of communication we're going to have.

I'm really at the point where I want to tell him to come correct or leave me alone....

Your thoughts, Elsa???

i am a leo and i have read all the comments on here. i have been dating a sagittarius for a year and i have not met his family or friends either. i have met his daughter but that is about it. i feel like giving up.

I'm letting metaphysical cat out of the bag. There is a simple social truth that all sagitarians MUST be BORN knowing. Instinctive understanding, or perhaps I just see things this way personally, but here it is none-the-less. This is a long explination that requires a pre-face setup to get you thinking correctly, so please dont skip down, or you may not get it :)

I see the color blue, and I point and call it blue. I call it blue because I was told at some point in my life that was what blue looked like. You call it blue for the same reason. However, there is no way at all for me to TRUELY know if your blue looks the same as mine. My blue could look like your yellow, but we both still call it blue because our past experience has shaped our perspective of the truth. We are both correct from our own individual point of view, and those points happen to agree with eachother in that particular situation. They agree because the lens of perspective, which is shaped by our past experience, has bent the input from our eyes into the same idea, regardless of wether or not it actually match's. Our past experience on this matter is identical (Someone told both of us that was the color blue) and so we agree. For no other reason do we agree.

Now, with the fundimentals out of the way. Everything you see, hear, taste, touch, etc.. is shaped by your past experience through the lens of perspective to be a certain thing to you. Including people. Because of this, you can NEVER TRUELY KNOW ANYONE. This is an un-breakable rule. Deal.

Now, knowing this to be true (and if you think about it for a minute you will realise it is) You know a me that is a compilation of what I show you, filtered through your perception. I hate to quote an anime series, but i've heard no better explination of this idea. The me that exists in your mind is different from the me that exists in my mind, my mothers mind, your mothers mind, or anyone elses because of two factors.

1.We all show each person a slightly different side of ourselves based on the status of our relationship with that person.

2.Each person has a wholey unique lens of perspective with which to filter the personallity they are shown.

Basiclly, there is a me for each person I interact with.

Now, we get to answering the questions above about the disconnected Sag. He is hesitant about merging the three hims. The you and him he see's as the we. It's entirley different from the him or the you. There is a him for his familly, and a him for his friends. When these three people meet up (We, Family me, Friends me) it's ALWAYS complicated. Not bad per-say, just complicated.

We really don't dig complication unless we make it for ourselves and can handle it alone.

Hope that helps.

I some what understand. The three, basically, you are saying that until he is fully able to handle all three parts of his life in the same room then he will make that happen, until then complication is just not the thing right now.

I mean i never have any problems with him, just the whole family thing, i could understand that he has explained to me that his mom was very sick and his sister is married and doing her own thing, and his brother is in jail. But when his mom is well he will bring me around, but i feel like he has been saying that for a year, i have been very cool with it. Just confussed sometimes, but i give him his freedom as much as posible, i call about once or twice a day, mostly i let him call me and he see each other twice a wk or when ever cause he works 2 jobs and so do i. over all our relationship is cool just meeting the family that kind of bother me. but is it ok to give him a lot of that freedom?

Confused,

I know what you mean... I am almost at the end of my rope. We have a great relationship... but I can see the complications... His mother has moved in with him and she is a DRAMA QUEEN to the hilt. My first encounter with her was when he was in the hospital and she was rude and disrespectful and if I never see her again... that's fine with me. But I'm sure you see the problem...

With her in the middle of his apartment, trips to visit him are pretty much out of the question... He has to figure it out... Not sure if I can stick around. In my mind the question becomes what's next?

A mama's boy? lol dont need astrology to figure that one out. He knows what his mama is all about and if he hasnt told her to lay off by now then its time you laid him off

Not a momma's boy at all... yet a situation that adds to what's already complicated.

Well, relationships are generally hard to manage especially when extended family is involved ...either you could play the mother's game and beat her to it and retain your bf or tell him how you feel about everything that seems to be bothering you and see how things go from there.

I would take the second option :)

The problem is that he always wants to do what's good and best for everyone. We're already in a relationship with some distance, and the relationship primarily resides at my residence. I'm not at all against him coming to visit with me, but it would be nice to feel that the same is extended to me. Now with his mother living in the middle of his place, that makes our spending time together on his turf a bit tricky... He's talking about moving, but there is some consideration about taking her along, because she refuses to discuss what her short/long-term plans are with regard to her own residence. Actually she refuses to talk at all.

She is not a "nice" person, and upon my first and only interaction with her she was very rude and disrespectful. I know that he doesn't want me to be uncomfortable, so he continues to visit with me.

I asked him how he thinks our relationship can function under such circumstances and I believe he's still working it out in his head... and parents, especially mothers can be tricky...

Any advice?

Mr. Kain, thanks for the advice. Your explanation above has answered a lot of *serious* questions I have had about my Sag spouse over the years; this will help. Interestingly, it also reinforced truths I've learned through 15+ years of fights and rage and court dates and tears and therapy and such. Of course, I'm Scorpio, so that can't help. (Imagine the household: 2 Scorpios, 2 Sag, 1 Taurus. Whoa.)

There may be something to this astrology deal after all...

I know how to spell confused just wanted to spell it that way, anyways. I not having any of that mama drama, just that i have been with this man for a year, i am a leo and when i fall in love i am willing to do whatever for the one i love. But when we first started seeing each other things were ok, then he cheated and i got back by cheating on him, i was not so upset cause my pride just won't let me. But as for him he was very upset. He didn't want to talk to me for a week, so i went on and left him alone. But he calls me back and tried to work things out, things have been going good, it just that i still haven't met the mom, i have met his daughter, but as for the family, i haven't met them yet, met some of his friends. But because his mother is in the hospital it is hard to see her, he tells me that his daugther is the important person in his life, so he would rather me meet her. but i will see the family soon. So now i just leave the subject alone. I let him be, i call about 2 a day, he does the calling and i always drive out to see him. He also told me that he is 28 and he don't want to be 30 or 40 still chasing after women, he just wants to make sure that i don't cheat anymore even though he cheated to. but oh well, i don't know what should i do?

i am an aries and all of dont know what you are talking about

I have been with my sagie for 13 years, Im a Taurus and the road has been a long one for us. Not compatable per say but very attracted to one and other, however what I found about my man is that he is exactly the way everyone here has discribed, in the beginning I would wonder why he didnt want to invite me out with his friends, or why he would irritate me with his know it all attitude. Seemed like everything we did was for him or anything we'd talk about was to revolve around him. Basically I looked at him like a young child who didnt understand the concept of "sharing" with others. He's not much for emotions (Ive only seen him cry 2x in 13 yrs)and doesnt really like it if I show my emotions too much, we are very different but managed to make it work, I just came to understand that people do not have to conform to your expectations for you to be happy, to find happyness with a Sagie, you need to have a life of your own, where you can make your own fullfillment and happyness. Get a few girl friends and make your own fun in life, cause if your placing these expectations on your sagie he'll run run away. Its almost like if you cant bring anything to lifes table for yourself he wont take the time to fill your table either. Kind of like the cat and mouse game, keep the chase going, or he'll get board.I never expected him to marry, a wedding ring is more like a hand cuff for him but 13 years we still are deeply in love, and It took alot of time and some counseling to make me understand, my ideals are not necessarly everyone elses. He flirts I flirt he goes out with his friends, I go out with mine, once in a while we meet in the middle and those are the best times cause we both really WANT to be there. Hope this helps.

Oh yeah, we have been married for 5 years.

OMG I am going through the same thing with this guy. He's a Sag and one times he's nice telling me really nice things (rare), then he tells me he needs time to handle his demons! I'm like what the hell? He doesn't want to commit but if I go out with someone else he gets mad. He said he was selfish but this is crazy. I don't even know why I'm attracted to him. I think i'm a good catch, educated, attractive and a scorpio, but it's like when he's nice, he's really nice, then when he's distant he's so far away. Half the times I can't stop thinking about him, the other half I wish I'd never met him!

oh my gosh chickie, i am so glad that i ran across this blog site. I m going through the same thing as you, being a taurus with a sag, and all. but my problem is weird because of our age difference. I am 27, and he will be 21 in 8 mths. I am hoping that this wont cause alot of problems in our relationship. I play the cta and mouse to see where he comes from, but he sees through the wool and calls me out on my actions. He is sweet, kind hearted, gentle, sexy and more, but I am afraid that something will go wrong.
A bad thing for us also is a long distance relationship. I am not sure if either one of us will be able to cope. or maybe I should say whether or not I will be able to cope. It sounds like absence will make his heart grow fonder. I have never had so much compassion for someone in a short period of time. I dont know where I am going with this, but I know God will see us through.

i'm a taurus cusp aries, and this apparently does effect me. Up until high school just saw myself as a taurus, but when it came to dating in college, i found that i hated being with all the men who i am suppose to get along with. That's when i realised it. I am a hopeless romantic, but one who craves spontenaity like the aries. Anyway, this is where we get into the topic of the Sag man. I was dating one up unil tonight when i broke it off. Not the first time though, more like the 4th. Each time in the past though, he convinced me to stay in and try. Now haven't met his family either due to a large continental distance. I do speak to his parents however, and this summer was to be the time i'd meet them face to face. If it weren't for the distance, we were supposed to meet during our first year of dating. Our 2yr anniversary just passed, and this is definitely the way to celebrate...NOT! Anyway, he lied a fair bit and that the part that i can't get over. We get along so well though up until i found out about a flinf he had had. I was crushed, and he tried and promised and this time i think he really meant it. His mother suggested that we both seek therapy, and he was more willing than i was. So why did i still break up with him? Well, i read up on the Sag, i know them lie i know my biology text book, and that is why i dumped him. I knew that even if he changed and voluntarily, in the end, he was still a changed person for me. I didn't want to fear remorse later on when all of his senses came back to him. I'm lost though, because he says he loves me, and i know he does, but cheating is such a strange way to show it.

I thought sag are suppose to be honest and loyal?
Im a gemini and have been dating a sag for a year now, the first six months he was always calling, making plans, just very persistent, saying i'm the one he has been always looking for, we have amazing chemistry, but gradually we started talking and seeing each other less and less, when i do speak to him its like nothing has changed, he still loves and misses me can't wait to see me... It's weird behavior, weekends he is always wanting to be around his friends when he is not working. it's not that i mind because after all i am a gemini and i do like my independence and like the rest of you I'm not needy for attention but a little bit of courtesy would be nice...
they like to chase but don't like being chased, they want their freedom but might not need it if given to them, but it feel like the nicer i am and the more i give, the more he take advantage, and your seen as a pushover... like him i have my WANTS too, so why should i make all the effort, it's called being fair and able to compromise like a adult...i have admit i do have a loud roar when the gemini in me snaps, he gets scared lol..

ladies, look up your partners venus and mars sign, these are the plants that rule sex, romance and love and marriage. the sun sign is the black and white definition of who you are dating.

confussed, maybe there is something wrong with his mother that he is ashamed of, maybe she is in a mental hospital, or sick enough to not want to see anyone. you said you met his daughter right? as a therapist i will say this, most single parents, specially if divorced will not introduce their child to the person they are dating unless it is serious, most will introduce their parents over a child, because a child IF grown close, and IF there is a split will have a hard time coping.

Have any of the other saggs cheated? And does anybody really know why. Also, thank you KeeKee. I will check that out.

Also, do you think that a sag may be in love with the idea of love, or does he actually love the person on the recieving end of those 3 word? And if so, are they the type who love more than one at a time?

i am a taurus woman in my late 30's and he is a sag (40). Do older sags tend to commit more and make better family men then younger men?

I have met his entire family including his children. we all get along well.

we are having a child together.

Is it possible for these 2 signs to really work out?
How do I figure out his mars/venus sign?

really need help with this. thank you

Hi Taurus 30, ur welcome to scold me if u feel this is an inappropriate title, but i just thought i'd tell u about the other signs. Iff u want to look up the other signs, i recommend ivillage astrology, or u can simply type in "moon sign" in the search space on google. A buffet of sites will pop up. I prefer ivillage, because it is convenient but i also like to look at other sites, as ivillage can be quite frosted and always positive. i like to look at both the pros and cons myself. Good luck.

Go to http://www.alabe.com/freechart/
type in there info and you will get their full chart

Wow... glad you guys brought this subject up. I'm an Aries, and was involved with a Sagittarius male, and everything I'm reading was exactly his personality. He couldn't commit, wasn't able to control his drinking, needed to be "on" in a group or a bar all the time in order to be the center of attention, and could say some of the nastiest things to people, thinking he was being brutally honest. I have a female friend who also is a Sag with the same characteristics (although she eats in excess rather than drinks). The thing I had the hardest time with was that both of these individuals' lives were a mess, but they were unable to look at their own "stuff" and kept pointing their fingers at everyone else.

Sex with my ex was incredible... we were really matched in that way, and he could be incredibly sweet sometimes. But the relationship broke off after three years because he couldn't make any kind of commitment toward the future. Looking back, it felt as though he'd only been able to invest a small part of himself in the relationship and then held back the rest.

Oh yeah, addendum: We also broke up because in three years he would only come to my apartment and never invited me to his (well, once, for twenty or thirty minutes, when his nephews were coming into town). There was always an excuse. When we ended things, I told him it felt as though I'd opened up myself to him in letting himself stay at my place, but that he couldn't do the same for me.

What's this deal with Sag people and not letting people into their living spaces? It seems to be a common thread here.

my Sag doesn't have a problem letting me in his space, he wants me there all the time. He does drink excessively though, i guess they like to over due everything, there is no happy medium. i'm a Sag myself and i do know we are private people, we observe others but dont want to give too much of ourself. most Sag i know are pretty open with their space.

WOAH! Thanks to everybody who continued with the comments. It's all very interesting. I gotta say alot of it sounds like my man, but alot also is nothing like him. So now, i'm concerend that it has yet to come out.

Anyway, he's been sweet to me from day one. I find him and i are so into eahother, and we're always happy together. We moved in together after about 6months of dating, and then got engaged a year after that.

The only real problem with him is that he has cheated twice and with women i never imagined him to be with. He says i am beautiful and extremely sexy, and that i am his life love in every aspect. So, if this is the case, why did he cheat? He blames his insecurities for the first incident, and then urge and weekness due to distance, he is in HI and i am in Cambodia.

So what i wanna know is, when a sag says something, should i believe him? If he says he wants "U" then does that mean you, or u for now?

I've been offline for a bit. I am still stumped yet can't understand why I can't get this man out of my life. I break up with him, he'll call to see how I am... He keeps one foot in the door at all times. I love him dearly, but the inconsistencies are maddening. I never knew that one sign of the Zodiac could be a problem for sooooo many. Are sags really compatible with anyone. I told my guy that we need to share places, spaces, friends, etc...

His response is I understand and agree. Yet there is no action. Just one excuse after another. He claims to love me so much, but refuses to share his life... not that it's that big in the first place.

Won't commit, yet won't let me go... the saga continues

they are all just a bunch of charmers who really feel what is happening at the moment but as soon as you're a part they forget, and make it out like oh whats wrong i thought we were doing great.

i'm a sag myself and i don't act this way. my advice ladies go find yourself another man and keep them both so you don't drive yourself crazy when he is out chasing skirts. and when he realizes that you are not on him like before, he'll come chasing you once again.

yes, I dated a sag and I/m a leo..He was head over heels with me in the beginning. love letters, telling me he loved me, you all that stuff. A few months later all that went away. He started seeing someone else. A sag is very emotional, caring and giving but only thinks of themselves. They tend to have psychological problems also, so women beware. I would never date a Sag again. They are like wild horses, can't be trusted.

Hello, I posted a while ago about my being a Taurus woman and my bf being a Sag. He was born on November 24...it seems that he has a lot more Scorpio in him...is this possible? He was married to his X for over 17 years and with me now. We're having a baby but it seems to me that he gets stuck between the 2 signs. I was wondering if he could truly commit to this relationship and our baby. He has 2 other children from that mariage. Here's what I read about Scorpio and boy does it sound like him. Any other SAGS out there that have mor Scorpio in them? And if so, does that mean it IS possible for a SAG to commit and be faithful?? Here's the quote:
"Scorpio man
The male Scorpion is famous for his sexiness - and his deadly sting! He's often reserved and self-controlled, but once he's involved he is an intense and committed lover. He can get so obsessed with a woman that jealousy takes over and, like Othello, he misreads the signs and sees betrayal in every innocent situation. Not one to trifle with: he can be totally faithful, but he's so full of secrets, you never really know."

I'm sorry this is so long but thought some of you would find this interesting...My SAG was born on Nov 24 so somewhat on the Scorpio/Sag cusp.

Ok someone above gave a link to this chart thing and this is what it said about my SAG bf.
My question is.....does this mean he can be loyal and committed??

Hi there, here is the interpretation of the astrological chart that you asked for. Also attached is a .GIF graphic file which depicts your chart wheel. Thank you for visiting the Astrolabe WEB site at http://alabe.com This report has been created especially for you. It represents your Unique picture at the time you were born and at the place you were born. If you are unsure of the exact time of day of your birth (or the date or the place), the reading will probably not seem as accurate as it could be in certain places, but other parts will seem to be very appropriate. You will notice at certain places in the reading that contradictory information seems to be given. This is to be expected, because the personality of most people is extremely complex. For example, at times we are quite shy and at other times we are very aggressive, and so forth. You will also notice that, at certain points in the reading, certain patterns may be repeated over and over, especially in a longer more detailed report than this one. This is also to be expected. This simply means that your horoscope has an extremely strong focus on this particular pattern and that you should pay extra close attention to what is said about it. Now, on with your Report!

Name: Jon
November 24 1966
10:35 PM Time Zone is PST
Glendora, CA

Rising Sign is in 22 Degrees Leo
You love to be the center of attention and you want to appear strong, confident and dominant. You are very proud of yourself, sometimes quite vain even. When all around you are bedraggled and falling apart, you look like a million bucks! Very dignified and honorable, you enjoy the power and privilege, but not the responsibilities, that come with leadership. You are very idealistic but can also be quite stubborn. Others impress you only if they have integrity (but wealth, power and influence can also turn your head). You prefer rich, elegant surroundings and possessions, and will try to acquire them as your budget allows. Physically, you are very impressive - - at your best you have a regal, charismatic demeanor and bearing. Try not to be such a showoff!

Sun is in 02 Degrees Sagittarius.
Very fun-loving, spirited and energetic, you have a huge reservoir of physical energy within you that needs to be released. As such, exercise or sports are very important to you. Quite gregarious, you enjoy being with other people, but you tend to avoid emotionally restrictive or intimate relationships. Constantly curious about the broader issues of life, you may at times be quite careless and sloppy about details -- you tend to leap to conclusions before all the facts are in. An avid reader, you are totally enthusiastic about any given subject should it interest you. You are known for being idealistic, generous, sociable, cheerful and very positive!

Moon is in 29 Degrees Aries.
High-spirited and courageous, you are a fighter when your emotions are aroused. The degree of force and drive that you can bring to any effort sometimes surprises others. You have hair-trigger reactions to specific stimuli and tend to "let it all hang out." You sometimes act before you think and do things on the spur of the moment, and that sometimes gets you into trouble. Your moods change quickly -- you have quite a temper, but you don't hold grudges. Very independent, with an extremely strong and forceful personality, you are known for being impulsive, careless, reckless, foolhardy, rash and daring.

Mercury is in 17 Degrees Scorpio.
You are a born investigator. You are fascinated by secrets and mysteries and unanswered questions of any kind. When you become upset or angry, your emotional reactions are overpowering -- reason and logic disappear in an uncontrollable passionate outburst. You tend to keep your thoughts secret and bottled up and this makes others regard you with suspicion. It is not that you are trying purposely to be evasive, it is just that you would rather not deal with the explosions and hassles that often occur when you reveal your true feelings and opinions. Your sense of humor tends toward sarcasm and irony.

Venus is in 06 Degrees Sagittarius.
You are very aware of the need to maintain a high sense of morality in a relationship. Your loyalty and interest will remain constant in any relationship (either friendly, personal or business) that is based on fairness, honesty and justice. But you will become greatly hurt and disappointed if the other person takes any but the high road with you. Also, you cannot tolerate anyone being overly emotionally possessive of you. You are known for your friendly, outspoken manner.

Mars is in 25 Degrees Virgo.
Very careful and systematic, you pay great attention to details. You are always seeking perfection and sometimes get bogged down searching for the ultimate when adequacy would have been sufficient. You dislike abstractions, preferring whatever is practical, useful and demonstrable. You have a strong and enduring sense of personal responsibility, and you demand that others be as responsible and upright as you are. Very critical of yourself and others, sometimes you carry this too far and become overly intolerant of others and their right to choose their own lifestyles.

Jupiter is in 04 Degrees Leo.
You must be proud of all that you do in order to grow and develop. You enjoy being totally honest and aboveboard and you revel in the admiration and respect you receive from others due to your high- minded, upright way of life. Make sure, though, that your natural tendency to boast and show off is based on your actual accomplishments. Don't fall prey to self-exaggeration or arrogance. You truly do like outrageous spectacles and grand jolly times and will go out of your way to make them a reality.

Saturn is in 22 Degrees Pisces.
Your tendency to think that your life is out of control is based on an unreasonable fear, probably connected with an unfortunate experience with the person who filled the father figure role in your early life. Learn to take responsibility here and now for your own life. Try to stop having unrealistic expectations about guide figures. Remember that they are merely human, with all the same faults and self-doubts that you have. When you get confused or uncertain, try to simplify your lifestyle -- things will then become easier to bear.

Uranus is in 23 Degrees Virgo.
You, and all your peers, will be known for the degree of intensity with which you dislike normal everyday routines and chores. You will go out of your way to invent innovative, unique and timesaving ways to perform the various mundane routines and duties of living. You will be attracted to all manner of practical and useful gadgets -- anything that will make your daily life more exciting.

Neptune is in 22 Degrees Scorpio.
You, and your entire generation, are extremely interested in anything deep and mysterious. You will explore and idealize the benefits that can accrue from the study of the occult, healing and psychology. You are willing to experiment with substances like drugs in order to push your understanding of your inner being to the extreme.

Pluto is in 20 Degrees Virgo.
For your entire generation, this will be a time when profound changes in society's attitude toward work, duty and responsibility will be initiated. Radical changes in attitudes toward personal health and general nutrition will be promulgated and gain wide acceptance and practice.

N. Node is in 16 Degrees Taurus.
It's not in your nature to seek out many casual acquaintances in your daily round of activities. You feel much more comfortable with a small, close-knit group of people -- those with whom you can relax and work toward known and clearly defined goals. Your loyalty to a person or group, once given, is forever -- you'll expend all of your quite considerable energy in seeing that the group stays together and prospers. You choose your partners and relationships so carefully that you're bound to gain certain advantages from them, including those of a material nature. Be careful though not to let mere self-service be your motivation in establishing your connections -- make sure that there's an even give-and-take!

I've been with a Sagittarius female on/off for 3 years; I'm a Pisces female. We're almost 4 years apart in age; I'm older, and we're neither young chickens. She approached me to chat me up first, but I only wanted us to be friends because I 'sensed' (Pisces intuition!) we wouldn't make a good couple. Friendship was all I wanted, but she was convinced she was in love with me and wouldn't hear take a 'no' for an answer. So she pursued a relationship with me for NINE months and finally convinced me to give it a go. As I read the posts on here, I see the "pursuit" thing with Sagittarians is common enough and when they do catch you and get comfortable, their romantic gestures seem to cool off. Sagittarians seem to like me a lot (I have moon in Sag). Anyhow, I have similar problems that many of you address with regard to Sag: commitment issues, won't bring me around friends/family (we've broken up a million times over this), but wants to hang out with my friends/family...makes lots of promises that she can't keep, wants her freedom but then claims I don't commit to her (she has Taurus moon and Scorpio Venus/Gemini Mars)...so she wants commitment, but prefers to have me do all the work. When things are good between us, they're great. When they're bad, they're horrible. We're both stubborn and strong-willed (I have Venus AND Mars in Taurus, counteracting her Taurus Moon). Her chart is ruled by Saturn (Capricorn rising) and mine is ruled by Pluto (Scorpio rising). LOTS of strong planets between us, but I have 'given in' to her more often than I'd like, because she can be SO pushy and demanding, and yes...even emotionally manipulative...crying, yelling, screaming, begging, pleading...anything to get 'her way'...so I sometimes just want to maintain peace. BUT, we've had some LOUD fights (typically not even my style, but with this Sag...oh yes!) because I won't say 'yes' at all times--which aggravates her. But, OH WELL. And three years into it...yes, we keep going back/forth but I've really reached the end of my rope. We're barely standing on one leg here, and I'm ready to head for the hills. I love her dearly...but she makes me a little crazy and I feel I have no stability with her; funny thing is, she accuses me of the same, though she's the one who often cancels plans, won't include me in her life, takes jobs that take her out of state for months...etc. On top of that, every time she gets me to agree to 'commit' to her, she pulls out of at the last minute. We've had some really painful break ups and its cost both of lots of tears and heartache--mine, more genuine than hers, I'm sorry to say, because I do believe at this point that she enjoys the 'romantic' drama. She loves to 'romance' me..until she's comfortable. Then she becomes lazy and complacent and takes me for granted, until I threaten to leave...and then she's back on her 'good' behavior until, well..the next time that she becomes lazy/complacent. But, apparently, I'm the one with "commitment issues"--right.

Anyway, I went googling on how to get Sag's to commit...I know, isn't that desperate??? See what this sign drives me to do? :) I came across this page through google and it's been comforting, and yet depressing at the same time, to read the posts here. At least I know I'm not alone in my Sag limbo..but seems there's very little hope at times. I think with work, WE could work..but like a childish Sag (sorry other Sag's, but it's true)...she is not too fond of doing the work and just hopes things "will work out"...somehow. Ah, me. One of us has to be the grown up in this, anf frankly, I'm tired of always taking care of her needs...but, you know...only time will tell where things will head from here on end. Would love to hear feedback on friends/family issue...why Sag's are so stubborn in letting you in on their inner circle, even if they claim to be in love with you and have been dating you for THREE years. Thoughts/feedback?

Thank you.

DualFish

Hi All

I'm a Libra woman and when I was much younger I dated a Sag. He cheated on me more than once and as I had little experience with men, I tolerated it but eventually gave up. He drank excessively and couldn't hold his liquour but when he was sweet, he was very sweet. I also spent a fair amount of time with his family.

The thing is that I have now met another Sag guy and I'm wondering if history is going to repeat itself. It's holding me back from him although it's early days yet.

SO,i am still confused as ever, and in short would just like the clearest answer possible..."can a sag be honest and faithful?'"

Guys....firstly..EVERYTHING ..all your comments about saggis is 100% true..im a leo...but i am not the dating kinds...i prefer to be in my life and work...but a chance meeting with a saggi guy..turned my life around...i wasnt interested in him AT ALL at first ...but this guy would just call and ask me out persistantly (great chasers)...i was rude...cut him off for 2 weeks and it didnt work..the charm finally worked...and very soon we met up and before i knew it got physical (though am from a very conservative upbringing..)...one thing about sagis...extremely slick when it comes to sex..they know exactly how to work it...and how to go about smoothly giving maximum pleasure to their partners..but after a few days..when he had all the entertainment(i talk a lot) he needed...the sex he got...he completely disappered..he wouldnt call or pick up my calls...he called later but i was very rude and cut him off...the thing about saggi men..its all a game...till the chase its fine...but then they are out for a new excitement...i wudnt be surprised if he cheats...he a heavy drinker gambler...and basically an escapist and a WEAK personality...they just dont wanna face anything and want to have the easy way out in life...but saggi's r supoosed to have good luck so they tend to get away through their seeming nonchalance and directness...they have double standards too..like some of u say...they cant take u cheating on them..but they have the full right...basically they dont care....and i feel everyone ..all signs should stay away from this illusion...if u dont wanna get hurt

Alright...so back to my Sag (woman). Women, men..makes no difference, you all. I've dated a Sag man--he was a male "ho", just greedy with sex all over the place--and a Sag woman...well, she's more conservative, but at the VERY least, as far as I know, she's been emotionally unfaithful...hooking up with people via cyberspace and then being caught (by me) and promising all sorts of things, including a stable, long-term relationship, and not being able to hold up her end of the deal. After 3 years of excessive investment in the most bottomless pit of a person, I've given up on this Sag woman. Sure, she can be charming, fun when she wants (and nasty and mean as all hell when she doesn't get her way), generous when she wants to be (and stingy, when not in the mood), and full of promises (that she never kept), and a GREAT chaser...she chased me for NINE months before I gave in and went out on a date with her--they're persistent and sooooo sweet when they want something from you, but when the fun and games are over to them, b'bye, they're gone in a flash. But in the end, a Sag is ALL about control of others, and lack of responsibility when it comes to him/herself. They want to do whatever it is they want to do, double-standards ALL over the place (don't you DARE cheat on them, but they can do it and then say, 'but it didn't mean anything'--right), and when it comes down to putting their money where their mouth is (meaning, keeping promises or being responsible to someone else other than themselves), forget it. Doesn't happen. Will not happen. Sagittarians are knows to be the most immature, irresponsible, self-indulgent, game-playing, unreliable, insensitive, and insecure sign of the zodiac, and no matter your own astrological sign (I'm a Pisces, but I have a very strong chart with lots of Taurus, Aries, and Scorpio in there)...they will trump you every time. Why? Because they don't live by anyone else's rules but their own. And those rules change ALL the time. And, oh yea, they often happen to forget to mention that the rules of the 'game' have changed (yes, they treat love as a game), so you're left scratching your head, pulling out your hair, screaming at the top of your lungs, or crying your heart out. If you're smart, you'll actually run for the hills.

So yes, I've given it a whirl--with both the men and the women of this sign--and no, they cannot be in a relationship. They just don't understand the idea of commitment, responsibility, monogamy, fairness, equality, sharing, sensitivity...all the stuff necessary to make a relationship successful.

Best of luck to anyone who wants to give one of these fair-weathered lovers a try. Yes, you'll probably have fun in the bedroom, but realize that's as good as gets--it's all fun and games, so if you lose your heart to one of these chumps...my sympathies.

DualFish

Wow, these comments are scary. Every single thing you all are saying about Sag's is true. I am a leo woman involved with a Sag man.

I can relate to the intensity in the beginning months. A complete whirlwind of charm and intellect and attention bestowed upon me to make me feel like the ultimate queen.

Then slowly, that starts to dwindle and you have to beg for a return call, you have to beg for a date, beg for attention. I am desperately trying to give him his feedom. I was in a complete manic state at first. I would persistently call a million times if he didn't respond and have to hunt him down just to confirm if he will see me.

Now after reading up on Sag and their needs, I realize I need to step back and leave him be. Indulge in my own interest, lead my life and fill it up to the point where he is not the focus.

I truly believe, that once you have a fulfilled life and do not chase, or hound the Sag, he will maintain interest because he will be thrown off by your indifference.

We'll see if I can keep this cool exterior up for long.

I'm an emotional leo that needs attention and praise and I don't want to beg for it!

JC--I feel your pain. And though I'm not a Leo (though many think I am, for some reason! :)...I became soooo attention-starved in my Sag relationship that I started to feel 'needy'. ME! I'm usually the one who likes her freedom, does her own thing, and wants good, quality times with a significant other. But with the Sag, that kind of consistency and attention was soooo scarce as time went by, whether I gave her plenty of freedom or asked to see her...that I started to wonder what's wrong with me. I'm a very confident person, and basically, what was at work with my Sag (and most Sag's, as I understand, want to feel 'in control), was that I'd get to see her when SHE felt like it. On HER schedule. Dependong on HER mood. And if I said 'boo' about it, I'd get the old, "Ok, I need my SPACE, I feel suffocated". It was a standard response that often made me feel I'd done something wrong, but I realized the underlying 'threat' was this: You don't do things as I want them, and I'm leaving. Well, then, bye!

When she felt like seeing me, and if I didn't or couldn't because I had other plans or things to do, she'd beg and plead and cry and barter and make all sorts of promises to get her way. SO pushy. If I stuck to my guns, I received 'guilt' texts, "I guess you don't love me the same anymore" and such. In reverse, when she'd agree to a normal date with me, when it'd get closer to the date night, she'd pull all sorts of excuses to cancel. She needed her 'space'. I came to a place of not even fighting about it, going, "Ok, fine, no problem". How much can you fight that? You just get tired. And then the MINUTE I'd be okay with her canceling, she'd call a couple of hours later and say, "Wanna come over?" Please. Why? Because SHE said so. And that's how I spent three years of my life, scratching my head, going, "I don't get it".

Freedom a-plenty you may give them, and then they complain, "I want to feel needed by you sometimes, too, you know!" And then if I'd ask for something that didn't fit her specific mood, or agenda, or whatever, it'd be, "Good lord, give me my space, will you?" And THIS from a woman whom, when I'd get sick of this back and forth and say, "See ya, never!"...she'd come chasing after me, begging and pleading, showing up at my house uninvited, to beg and say, "I want to win you back! I love you!" Okay, whatever. Perhaps she was more the 'extreme' case of the Sag, but based on other posts I'm reading here...maybe not.

I know that while you're with these types of people, and you're 'in love' that you think there'll never be another and that maybe something is wrong with you, and you need to bend and twist and pretzel yourself into what makes THEM happy, so that they'll stick around. But after much heartache and time wasted on my part, I came to see that my needs are valid, that it's NORMAL to want to spend a couple of days a week with my significant other, without it becoming a Federal case or a source of power play or flakiness for her, and hurt, rejection and confusion for me. I SHOULD get attention from my partner, same as I'm willing to give them. Why settle for ANYTHING less than you want? Life is too short. What if any of us fall down and die tomorrow (heaven's forbid!)...then what did we learn of love and support of a significant other? Nothing, not with this type of Sag lameness.

Besdies, I look at it this way, too: I shouldn't even be searching websites, looking to understand why a certain person doesn't treat me right. I mean, if any of these people were treating us like an equal partner, would we even be here, trying to make excuses for their lame behavior that leaves us feeling abandoned, unloved, and confused as to what it is that WE are doing? I don't think so. Is wanting to spend time with our significant others, to be a part of their lives, to get to know and share their friends and families, as much as they share ours...a ridiculous demands? NO. So why put up with it? Yes...love. But that can easily become a bitter pill, if you end up wondering the very same things, asking the very same questions, year after year...and realize, wow, now I've invested SO much time and I STILL have nothing to show for it. Are they all that, really? Forget those initial 'romantic,' sweep you off your feet, intense attention and adulation days...that's just how a 'chaser' operates. Once the prey is caught, it loses its luster. Sure, if you want to play hid and seek the rest of your life so that the Sag can feel they're chasing and stick around...go ahead. I know I don't want to be playing games. I want to live my life, and I want my life to be happy, stable, and secure. And I did not find that with a Sag.

Hope you have more success with your Sag, JC. I know that I could not take it anymore. Fun, this sign can be, when they feel like it...but I don't need a part-time lover who makes me crazy and doubt myself, as if my basic needs in a partnership are outlandish and 'asking for too much'.

So keep yourself centered and keep reminding yourself: it's OKAY to want love and companionship. It's not okay to have to beg for it. And if someone makes you do so, then you don't want them in your life that badly, now..do you?

Keep us posted!

DualFish

Wow,

DualFish you hit it dead on! Power Plays, mind games, dates and plans scheduled around their time, catering to their moods and always leaving space and room for them to feel they can flee. No pressure, no responsibility in the relationship.

The line about having to bend and pretzel myself into this easy going, flighty, nonchalant girl who caters to his whims is so dead on!

It's true. When I get fed up and say I want a man who's attentive, who acts as if this relationship means something, that's when the drama comes.

The intense "I love you, I would die for you, You know your my soulmate" comes out. Why don't Sag's act like they are appreciative of the gems that come into their life.

They have so much spark and fun and that's what draws the special people to them because they are quite rare and make you feel like your on a cloud with their wit and intelligence and striking presense, but dammit that's not enough!!!

I know I'm special, but I never take my relationship for granted. I give him gifts, remember his birthday, cook for him, rub his back check in on him, etc.

I am the one who carries the relationship when it comes to effort. I cannot see myself even planning a trip with this man or even introducing him to my family, he wouldn't show up! Some chaotic event would happen and he'd have to be in another state and just say "Sorry baby".

Important stuff like having your man with you throughout the week and bringing him to certain events with you as your Significant other. As your confidant it's just not possible. The grace you with their presence when they want. When it's convienient for them.

He never says - Hey baby I want to see you. When's a good time to come over. I have to ask, baby when will I see you I want to see you. He says - "when" and like a punk who wants to be the good girlfriend, I say "Whatever day is good for you".

I need a man to show effort and make me feel sexy and special, like I'm worthy of having someone make a fuss over me.

That's why I have gone on dates with other men and have even been intimate with another man 3x, but no matter what, nobody else has the spark that fire and passion I see when we are together and that's what I keep hanging on to. That's what has me hooked.

This man's magnetism is so intense that even when I'm pissed and in the arms of another man, the next day, I wonder where he is and what he's doing and when I will see him.

This is insane.

Good grief.

Carry on.

JC--I went through the same exact thing with my Sag. SAME. No effort on her part to really make plans with me, very flakey, forget planning trips, I couldn't even get her to follow-through on a movie date. We'd buy movie tickets online for the same evening, and I'm en route to her house, and get a call, "Babe, would you be upset if I canceled? I don't feel well"...at a constant. And the drama...oh did it skyrocket when I'd get fed up and walk out the door.

I haven't talked to mine in a week. I just pulled the plug on the whole thing because I felt so disrespected and taken for granted--please, WHO needs that? And wouldn't you know it? She has been calling and calling and calling and saying, "Please call me, I love you. I don't want 'things' to be this way". Well, really? Heard THAT one a million times over the past 3 years and the only one who changed was ME...taking on the burden for TWO in a so-called relationship. Yes, and I used to go out on dates each time we'd "break up" (cuz I got fed up) but the next day, I'd wonder what she was up to. The thing is, they have a 'way' about them that can make you feel like a Princess, it all seems so fairy tale at first. But then it goes away and comes back sporadically and it's what kept me hooked in. You fall in love with the "image" they present, and build your feelings around that, but I find this particular sign to be rather shallow emotionally and selfish, too, so while we might hurt because they're self-serving, they're all, "What's the big deal?" My broken heart, you dumb a**! I just cannot do it anymore.

I hear you on carrying the weight of the relationship! I'd do same, always suggest activities, make plans, take care of her, look after her, rub her back, check in with her to make sure all's well. Do you think it was reciprocated? No. In fact, she'd sometimes even bite the hand that fed her--mine--if I'd make her dinner..next day I'd get a call that she feels things are "moving too fast" and can we slow it down? I'd be confused. We only had dinner. What's "fast"? And this, after 2.5 years together!! And then I'd pull away, and emotionally distance myself to prevent more hurt for me, and she'd chase after me and go, "But I love you, I want to SEE you." Then one good date, and after that, business as usual.

Yes, my Sag can be very charming too...but looking at it as far as long-term plans go...I realized this was a one-way street, bottomless pit and it was going nowhere. I was trying to "build" something with her, a future (and she called me her "soulmate" and "love of her life" too)...but she was just in it for the easy ride. NO, thanks.

It's exhausting. I don't want to feel like a pretezel anymore. I know my own worth and I have plenty of options. And my heart finally "got it"...I'm out. Thank goodness.

I'm sorry you're dealing with the same thing. And as intense as this man may be, remember, if you sometimes get too close to fire, you get burnt. And in the case of these folks, have the emotional 911 on speed dial, and take up permanent residence in the Heartbreak Hotel. No good came out of mine. I hope some does of yours, but don't bet on it. Remember--ACTIONS speak louder than words. If someone says they love you but don't give you love, or show you love...is it really love?

Look to actions; ignore the words.

And stay out of the insane asylum. :)

Keep posting--it helps to see things more clearly. Honest.

DualFish

I am a female Sag in her thirties with a Scorpio moon and will cop to fitting many of the descriptions of my sun sign that I am reading here. I make a much better friend or casual partner than serious companion. Any situation that makes me feel trapped or tied down will bring out the worst in me, period.

HOWEVER....the most deceitful, pompous, the rules-don't-apply-to-me cheating liar of a person I ever knew was not a Sag- he was a Cancer with a Gemini moon. And a Leo woman I was once friends with was a gossipy, manipulative witch who thought she was better than everyone else. I love Cancers and respect their genuine instincts to protect and nurture, but they can be absolute bitches who attack you when your guard is down- the men too.

I know Saggies are the ones being discussed here, but please let's not forget all the signs have their dark sides!

This is for J,

I respect ur comment immensely, and therefore i have a question just for u. I am so glad to see a sag in here, cuz who better to know a sag's personality than a sag herself.

Anyway, i do agree that we all have our positive traits as well as negative(which is not as available in books as it should be), and i have heard so much grime o this sign. Now, my man has been quite different from all that has been described. He's been wonderful, and together we have great times. We moved in together after 3months of dating, and what started as just casual fun turned into couple love. I never anticipated all that has occured, and today when i look at him, i still love him because he gives me reason to adore him.

Anyway, enough sappy details. Straight to the point, he cheated. He cheated with a woman who worked on base. I asked him why, and he said cuz he was scared. I asked of what, and he replied with what seemed like a genuine answer. He was scared of his future. He said he had never been so in love, but at the same time so nervous. At the time i was a dancer, and he he said that he felt threatend by my work. Anyway, we got past it and it is now 2.5yrs later. We're still happy when we're together, but when we r apart for a while, i begin to wonder about him.

So J, please let me know just whether a sag can be faithful? And let's assume that the sag is really in love, can he/she really be honest and monogomous?

Thanks, i hope to get a reply from u J.

I have a question for everyone has dealt with a male Sag. How did you find them in intimate situations? I find them extremely charming and seductive but in regard to technique the actual "intercourse" doesn't last very long. I read that they are very good for "oral massages" but the actual sex is not intense, it can be good but very quick.

Is this true in your case? And if this is true? Why do they have so many woman and can't stick with one, eventhough they are not intensely sexual?

JC--from experience, I find both male and female Sags to be rather impatient in all arenas, including the sexual one. They like the build up, but when it comes down to completing the "task"...they become selfish and get very focused on their own pleasure in the end. Wham, bam...you know how it goes. And you're right; the actual sex does end up being quite quick--male and female alike (trust me).

Why do they have so many women? Because they can be fun, charming, in a sort of naive/innocent way (at first). Why can't they stick with one? They're like kids in a candy store...can't pick just one flavor and move on. They get greedy and want to try everything, and even when they do, they can't make up their minds. They're like big kids...never wanna grow up. I think they have a serious case of the Peter Pan syndrome! :) Also, Sag is a mutable sign, like my own sign (Pisces), which means we change and adapt to any given situation. However, while Pisces like me are an emotional water sign and follow their hearts and tend to stick with one mate, Sags are mutable fire signs...so they sizzle, then fizzle. Minds change DAILY...

Sags usually end up settling down much later in life...sometimes, not at all. Of course a lot of it depends on their entire astro chart (Moon, Venus, Mars, Mercury), but with a dominant fire sign such as Sag, don't expect a commitment...at least, not a long-term one.

Incidentally, for those who have been following my Sag story on this board...I ended things with my Sag almost 2 weeks ago, and she wrote me an email, telling me how she is sorry that she couldn't make up her mind about what she wants. I ignored her. That's what you do when you break-up with someone who's been a jerk. Three days ago, she wrote ANOTHER email, begging me to come back to her, because she loves me soooo much! She does this EVERY time. And when I have returned...we went on the same roller coaster ride, only to end up where we are now--not together again.

See what I mean? They can't stick to anything, even their own decisions. And they love the chase, but the spoils of the game are never as interesting to them.

That's how it goes...

DualFish

Right on the money again Dualfish!!!!!!

The build-up is so sexy so seductive, but their actual technical expertise is lacking. The slow steady grind to withold orgasm is not in them.

They start and then 5-10 minutes later they are done. It feels great because they are passionate and saying all the right fiery erotic things in your ear to make you feel like a true lioness, but it only last for a litte while.

They are so charming and come off so sexy and sensuous but the duration and stamina is lacking.

Yet and still I can't get enough.

Again, I say - This is insane

Where's Stumped.
I'm all caught up in the drama of the mother issue. I'm a sag. too. Dec. 21...not a young chick.
Stumped, try this.
I know the first encounter with mom did not go well, but consider the situation when you met. Nothing would please your sag. man more than giving a genuine effort to get to know mom. Try inviting them both over for a homecooked dinner. Watch how he responds to your effort, even if mom's attitude doesn't change. It may help things to turn around where she is concerned. If not it's time to move on. It has been over a year and you have your life to live without holding out on something that may never happen.
Just a sag. women's opinion.
Also, I have a Virgo rising which makes my chart a little different.

Hey all,

I wonder how a sag.woman would get along with a sag. man. Would we be a match made in heaven or would it be a disaster.

Daisy

Just an update.

I've ended it. No more sagittarius. I will date another one if it was presented to me the right way, but this one did not acknowlede what he had.

I'm through. I txt him a nasty message sayin "You couldn't last 2 weeks without going back to treating me like sh**.

Then changed my phone number.

I'm done completely. No going back. Nothing of substance to go back to.

Awww, JC...(((hugs)))

I'm sorry, hon. You're brave to do this now. Good on you not to wait so long that you don't know your head from your feet, before calling it quits. I know how it feels, as I've ended mine, too. Been two weeks--TOUGH two weeks--but who wants to be treated like sh** is right!!!

Good idea to change your #. I might follow your lead and do the same with mine any day now.

You WILL be okay. No one deserves to be treated badly...and no matter how "charming" these people can be, if heartless and without substance, OUT they go.

Be well.

DualFish

J.C.

Feel really badly for you.

I guess most sag. men are no good, dirty, rotten, ...... but some of us sag. feel really badly about that.

Don't turn down trying another sag. if the opportunity presents itself. He may be the perfect attentive man....a keeper.
I'm a sag. women and can't find the right combination for me. Maybe it's because I've picked two capricorn husbands...what was I thinking!

Daisy

Another question.

Did Sagittarius people have a tendancy to give elaborate, dramatic stories as to why you hadn't heard from them in days.

Like a sucker, my Sagittarius showed up at my house because I changed my number and told me I hadn't heard from him, because his child was missing in Georgia and he couldn't tell me, because his head was messed up.

Not only did I reconcile, I gave him money to fly to Georgia to be with his child

People are telling Sadge stories here:

Add yours!

DualFish: I see this merry go round lasting a while. I can't get this man out of my system no matter how much drama ensues. The bottom line is I love him and I believe we belong together. I love his voice, his laughter, his smile, his dramatic cheerful disposition.

I love him. I just hope we can get over the humps.

JC--I just read your post. Goodness, you're in as deep as me. How can I say anything to you, when I'm just as lost in my Sag? I told her "see ya never" four weeks ago, and 4 days ago, she's begging, showing up at my door, telling me all sorts of things to get me to agree to see her again and to "be together"--again. Sucker, me, I saw her and now she's calling me every night, wants to see me all the time (I won't let her), and wants to plan this/that. Thing is...I think because I kept away, we're back to the "chase" mode...like when we first met. If you let a Sag catch you AND keep you, you become boring. If you want to keep them chasing, keep running, and stop every once in a while and allow yourself to be "caught". But how long can this chase mode continue? I know I'll get tired of running soon enough, and when my Sag gets bored because I'm not acting like prey, but want to be caught, we'll call it quits again; I'm almost certain. That's when I'll take my re-injured heart back from her to heal, and then find someone who will be there when I want to stop running, and just want to stand still with them. Because, frankly, I doubt the last woman standing for me will be my Sag. I'd like it to be, but yeah..I doubt it. History has shown me otherwise.

So for now, JC...you and I are both back in the "game"...but boy, I hope neither of us gets burnt too badly.

Good luck to you...update as we go. I'm sure my stories will get dramatic before too long. You? ;)

DualFish

hi elsa, i'm a sagittarian ("sag man" sounds a bit strange -- like something's supposed to sag, heh) and boy, it's almost scary how much i can relate to what you said.

yup, i want to love and be loved, but at the same time i have this almost insane need not to be tied down. so i guess this is true for most sagittarians?

commitment was always a scary thing for me, and while i love my wife, many of our disagreements stem from the fact that i'm obsessed with my need to be free. her sign's pisces, by the way.

i dunno if it's true for most sadges but i generally find it easier to deal with ideas than emotions. i always want something new.

ok, i'm babbling, heh. thanks for this article!

DualFish: Yeah, I'm back. I ran and he caught me, now I'm sprung again. I can't do the whole, "maybe I'm interested, maybe I'm not". I love hard and smother with affection.

He's in Georgia now and we txt a couple of times and spoke a few. I called a lot today and he hasn't responded.

We'll see if I can calm down this week and do the whole chase thing. I'm in love, but sometimes a mess cause I don't get the communication or all the attention I desire.

JC: Don't you love how we start by being chased by the Sag and end up doing the chasing ourselves in the end? I've learned the hard way to let mine go and be free as she likes. Heres's an example: she and I both work in front of computers all day--different fields, but I see her online and she sees me. Many-a-times I'd say "hi, how are you" to her, only to be treated with either a "hi, baby!" for no apparent reason...or a "hi, hang on, busy". Hot and cold. So nowadays, I just do nothing. I see her online...HOURS go by (we're both online since 9 a.m.)...before she finally gets annoyed at waiting for me to initiate contact...sometimes it gets to be 2-3 p.m. when she'll suddenly say, "You there?" YUP, I'm here, but I'm not chasing YOU. So I say, "Yep"...and she's all chat chat chat, but if I respond at all and get a little into the conversation, then she's suddenly, "hang on, brb"...and off she goes again. Hot and cold.

Exhausting. My advice? Stop chasing. Go and have your own life. Pretend as if you two are NOT talking at all. Let him be in Georgia and you live your life as if you two had not re-united. Let him call you. If he texts, respond...but wait a while before you do. If he calls, take your time calling back, unless it's "urgent". Yea, you want to love hard...and so do I, but you know? What "love hard" might mean to you and me...is not the same to the Sag's, I've learned.

Personally, I'm tired of the "chasing" game. In fact, it's become a touch boring for me, and the stability of just being with someone who wants you there and doesn't mind telling you and showing you would be just great!

Oh, and JOEY...Sag and Pisces, eh? I'm a Pisces. What is it with you Sag's and chasing us Pisces? ;)

DualFish

can we turn this into group therapy? you all seem to be telling my story in one form or other. I'm pisces. I'm starting to hate him... yet I crave him. I hate this game and I don't want to play. He feels like an addiction. I feel bereft because loving him after knowing all this makes me feel like less of a person.

That's exactly what they are......an addiction. You hate it but you kind of love it.

I second and third that! Addictive relationships--it's a real thing. Google it. I have...

Crazy.

DualFish

dearie me, am I the only one having a very happy long-term relationship with a Sagittarius here?

No I don't find him too rushed in bed. Definately faster sex than with previous Pisces lovers of yore but to be honest sex that goes on for hours gets a bit boring for me.

I love Sagittarius men unashamedly, and for the most part I've had extremely happy relationships with them. Perhaps this is because I have Jupiter rising and I'm pretty independent myself so even though I am a Cancerian and like security I don't really feel the need to cling.

There are things about Sagittarius I knew when I married him

* tendency to not just be able to say "I'm sorry" or give a short, simple answer but must instead launch into a convoluted (and often hilarious) theory instead.

* tendency to go out for a simple task(buy some bread) and come back three hours later via Galapagos Islands with some interesting but unrelated gadgets.

But overall even though I left him plenty of space I've never known him to really want to leave home. The only exception was when he changed jobs and really liked all the people at work and was going out with them all the time until I got irate and put my foot down and we compromised (x days of the week for friends, x days of the week for spending time with wife).

Maybe it helps that he has a Taurus Rising but he's been constant and faithful and patient and stood by me through illness and struggle (queue: "How can you love me, I'm just a crazy bitch!" "True, but you're MY crazy bitch...")

A lot depends on your chart and its inherent needs, and a lot depends on the chart of the individual Sag, but I have never found Sag to be inherently rubbish in relationships or incapable of sustained intimacy and commitment.

Aww thanks Nia. That's what i needed. I thought i was nuts or overlooking something, but i really am happy with my sag. I've never been so happy, and i've had a fare share and variety of men. With the exception of his cheating, we've passed it, and i never feel stupid for being with him, so i guess that's a good sign right? We're going to marry soon also. I do feel right about it, and now with ur indirect blessing, i feel very comfortable with it. Thanks Nia, and all the best girl.

Hi, i'm taurus but have stationary venus in aries trine mars in sag and jupiter in 7th and it seems every man i've dated has a sag influence be it sun,moon,asc,etc. Noticed a few other taureans on here with saggi beaus which kinda soothed me as we're so often told we're incompatible (maybe we are but maybe thats the attraction). Of my 2 closest friends 1 is sag and the other sag rising and my sister is a double (sun & moon). Cant seem to escape the energy and mostly i dont want to even when they're driving me completely insane.

I think what attracts me is their sense of fun (sometimes bordering on recklessness admittedly) and their refusal to bow down to the man. They say what they think and do what they want and i guess i'm admiral of that until it clashes with what i want. Then i rant and rave and completely lose it and you know what they never bat an eyelid, just carry on as before. They even seem to get a kick out of my rants and raves, they like people who are not afraid to say what they think and dont mind if it differs from their own views cos they're learning and sag's love to expand their minds. They also have a quite lovable optimism and faith in the future that greatly appeals to my over analytical virgoan (have a stellium in virgo-moon,jup,plu,uranus in 7th)neurosis'. In short they cheer me up and give me hope. I think for me it helps if they have a receptive moon as i personally feel that moons are more important in compatibility. But i need their energy in my life and it seems i cant avoid it even if i try.

Nia, you said, "Perhaps this is because I have Jupiter rising and I'm pretty independent myself so even though I am a Cancerian and like security I don't really feel the need to cling." I'm sure you didn't intend to infer that we DO cling, but it does sound that way. I've got a fair bit of Leo-Aries independence myself. My experience is that attempts to enforce boundaries or have and express feelings are interpreted as clinging by the sadges in my life.

Also, your sadge married. The sadge I'm thinking of will never marry. I'm sure there's a spectrum from Peter Pan to sadges who show their boy/girl-ishness in more mature ways. I think this discussion follows the former and while it's nice to hear sadge can be expressed so beautifully, that's not really what the pain you see expressed here is about. it's about the lower expression that many of us are dealing with.

That's my problem. I'm a leo and I want praise and compulsive attention. If you don't return my calls or txt immediately I assume your insulting me. I can be very extreme and clingy which I'm working on.

It's obvious I have to show I have a full and fulfilling life, outside of my relationship with him, so he can see he is not being chased.

Satori I certainly didn't mean to infer that EVERY Cancerian clings but I have known a great fair few who do. I cling to material things, and it's taken me a long time to let people go partially because I know how annoying I find it when people want too much of me.

It's all relative though, all part of the spectrum. What is normal intimacy to one person is another's clinginess and suffocation. I think people should be true to their needs, and wanting to hang onto something/someone is not intrinsically wrong at all. Everyone has needs after all, and it's good to honour them. It just becomes a problem when the other person doesn't like it and tells you to loosen your grip, please and that's a problem that can plague Sagittarius/Aquarius and Cancer.

It's all about keeping a balance. Physically I have a very hands on relationship with my partner - when we're home alone chances are I'm in his arms and around his neck like a koala while emotionally I'm a lot more laid back and try not to be limiting. Luckily this is something that suits both of us.

My experience is that attempts to enforce boundaries or have and express feelings are interpreted as clinging by the sadges in my life.


That sounds both unfortunate and frustrating. Have discussion and compromise been options?In my experience people who feel frightened of the emotions of others generally feel frightened of their own, and I think it's found across every Sun sign.

In the past I've certainly had relationships with people where my nature and theirs clashed in ways that proved to be frustrating and unresolvable for both parties, not because either's needs were wrong but simply because at that time they were incompatible.

The sadge I'm thinking of will never marry. I'm sure there's a spectrum from Peter Pan to sadges who show their boy/girl-ishness in more mature ways. I think this discussion follows the former and while it's nice to hear sadge can be expressed so beautifully, that's not really what the pain you see expressed here is about. it's about the lower expression that many of us are dealing with.

Although I wouldn't classify the lack of desire to marry/settle as necessarily immature I can totally understand the pain of people feeling let down by their partners and I don't mean to knock that at all. The point of my post was not to invalidate that experience but to reassure people that not every Sagittarius is a lousy lover and commitmentphobic and that yes, it is possible to have happy relationships - so that they aren't freaked out and put off at the start by thinking it will all end in tears.

Regarding Cancers and whether or not they cling, look to the sign position of the Moon (which Cancer rules). For example, I have a Cancer man friend (ex-boyfriend actually) who I have known for 30 years. And he does not cling and never has. However, his Moon is in (detached) Aquarius... :)

Thanks again Nia. I've only read all the negatives, and i am a realist, so i knew there had to be somethings wonderful about the sag man. I felt it, and experience it everyday with him, so i really just wanted to know whether there were other cases of that, and that it wasn't just all in my head.

I too am the same at home. He loves the affection i show him, and as touchy feely as i am, i also understand that this is a man who strongly has and undertakes his interests and hobbies.

When we r in each other's company, i feel fantastic. He is sweet, soft-spoken but direct, enlightening and just beautiful to gaze at.

So in conclusion, the male sag can be a great man, it's just up to him. My partner told me that 5yrs ago, he was not this eager to commit or felt the need to love, cuz he just felt he wasn't ready. So really, i guess it's a matter of meeting a sag at the right time...when they're ripe.

Well things are going okay with my Saggie man and I. The only thing is (here is TMI coming) I lost my virginity to this Sag man and I'm a novice sexually. The one thing about my sag is the coming to quickly and I read that in astrology books that Saggie men come quickly and sex is not intense for them. I am a very emotional person. I cry during sex and I want sex to last at least 30min and not 7 or 10min.

The fourplay is good, but the actual sex is over very quickly. It's very intense and emotional but doesn't last long.

Does anyone else experience this with their Saggie men.

I want my sex life to get better and last longer

Dear JC,

I can't remember that sex being too short was a problem associated with any of my Saggi lovers. If I'd attach an astrological significator to coming quickly then I'd attach it to Moon in Aries. (I'm not saying every Aries Moon fires its shot too soon, but anecdotal evidence from several astrologers suggest that it's a pattern they've noticed; Also my husband him of the Aries Moon and Mars doesn't have that issue, but then there's also a Taurus Ascendant and Venus in Capricorn to compensate).

How old is your Saggie? One thing Z continuously says is that he was very different at 22 than at 30 (when I met him, and when he'd slowed down and patienced up considerably). Age is a big factor, and people tend to be very different after their Saturn return. On the other hand I know another fabulous Sag who got married and had children in his 20s and is spending his forties happily unmarried, enjoying a succession of relationships that won't lead to a wedding or more children, and that's fair enough.

I don't think you should settle in relationships, sexually or otherwise, for something that is less than what you want/need because it won't make you happy, or your partner happy.

Entering sex, discovering your sexuality - those are joyful things! Exciting things! A wonderful time to learn about your needs and desires and what gives pleasure, as you are already doing. There is no need on this journey to limit yourself to one man, especially if he's not giving you what you need. The world is full of men!

Everyone, everyone, has different needs and sexual styles. It's like personality - there's some room for compromise but ultimately if it isn't working then stop trying to make it fit and move on to something that flows more easily, more joyfully. The world, after all, is full of people who you can learn things from - inside the bed and outside of it.

I don't think there's one right way to have sex. If you want to cry and cuddle and make love as your souls entwine, then that's fair enough. There are certainly plenty of people who want the same things, and will be able to meet that need. Perhaps, it's also something that your current lover wishes to do, and there's certainly techniques aplenty about how to delay the male orgasm and last longer (off the top of my head I remember Tracy Cox talking about it on The Sex Inspectors; there's certainly books out there about it). Tantric sex is another avenue you may want to investigate - as it's all about the deep connections and Sag tends to love learning about new things/ideas so you may both get a kick out of it.

Ultimately though, perhaps the things you want and make you happy are not compatible with one another and cannot be made to fit. In that case there's no shame in that, nor letting each other go and allowing people who fit those needs better to come into your life instead.

Best of luck.

Lol B, now I have Ripe Sagittarius Men! Come get your perfectly ripe Sagittarius Men here! Come get them before they fall off the branch and spoil! running through me brains.

I think it's very true what you say - Sag is a wonderful beast but you need to meet them in the right context, at the right time. I used to wonder why most of the people I got attached to had a Sagittarius Moon and then I realised I loved them all because they were so freaking hilarious.

So in conclusion - Sagittarius, It Doesn't Have to End in Tears ;)

I have to vent: will things NEVER calm down with my Sag and me? EVER? She was begging and pleading with me, only last week, that she wants to have 'peace' between us and can we try to take things slow? Sure, fine. In a matter of 8 days, she starts to flake out on plans--again--and then she says, when I finally told her that she's being flakey and unreliable again..she goes, "We need a break". She does this all the time! I finally told her to grow up and not to come to me to kiss her boo-boo's better, because I'm not her mommy and she needs to take it elsewhere. What a moron!

Besides which, I think I have a better than average understanding of Sag's, since my Moon is in Sag. But it doesn't help with this one, that's for sure.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

DualFish

wow.
how I love to tune in to hear the latest drama. This is better than a soap opera anyday!

It's been my experience that a lover who tells you they just want to be friends is probably incapable of sustaining either type of relationship.

My Saggie is a certified dummie. I'm tired of her 'games'. One day she loves me, next day she's 'angry' with me..it's like, she doesn't even need me there really to play out her 'drama'.

I tried to reason with her--again--to be like, look this cyclical thing between us is not normal. Can we talk about it? Her response, "I'm not ready today". What a control freak! So many times I've said to her I don't want to talk to her at all, and she's harrassed me, calling/texting/emailing/instant messaging...and I've said, "LEAVE ME ALONE" and she wouldn't listen. Now that I'm saying, "Look this not talking again thing is dumb, lets not do it again," she says, "Today, this is how I feel." Okay, WHATEVER. As if I'm waiting for her mood to change, and mine will HAVE to change along with it. NOT.

So I told her I'll leave her alone, if she leaves me alone permanently, too. She said, "Don't worry, I will". Yes, I've heard THAT one 5 million times, until two weeks pass, and she comes around and stalks me again. What a dummie.

I blocked her from my instant message. I'm going to change my tel. #'s, too. I was obviously delusional to think I could talk reason to this one...

DualFish

ah, DualFish, I really hear you. the supposed love of my life that I've been dealing with hangs up on me on a whim. the last time, he asked me if I was okay (after telling me about another woman he'd been talking with and admitting there was an interest there) and when I paused before answering HE HUNG UP! not the first time, just an example. then he didn't speak to me for a week!

recently he decided we were moving too fast (hadn't seen him in person in a month) and we need to "just be friends". I said it sounds like we're done. "well if that's the way you want to interpret it". so today I called and left a message (I knew he wouldn't answer) telling him I need to get over him and told him not to contact me for a month. we have a child together so that complicates things (we were never married).

thankfully I know he WON'T contact me, probably ever again. he'll be on to the next one. good effing riddance.

I go back and forth between grief and anger.

Looks like my Sag is back to his old behavior. He was supposed to come by today. I bought wine and all kind of treats, he didn't even call to say something came up or something happen. Just no notificatiion.

Why are they so heartless when it comes to their partner's schedule and plans.

Selfish and wishy washy.

And comes to quick. What am I doing

well, if it helps, I truly understand and I am SO, SO sorry. your feelings matter, and you have value and are worthy of respect.

Thanks.

Looks DualFish is going through the rollercoaster too. I called and called all day yesterday and his phone was off. No call from another phone to say "Baby I can't make it". Just left me hanging in my apt waiting with a hot dinner all alone.

This is ridiculous. You would think you give a man $300 2 weeks ago so he can fly to the south to be with his child, that he'd be more apt at showing appreciation for me.

But he comes back and just spends time with me for 1 day out of the week, then promises to see me on Sunday, but leaves me hanging.

This really make me feel like crap.

Dear people with problematic partners,

You're right, your feelings are valuable and DO matter! So if your partners are treating in you in ways you find unacceptable the most elegant solution might be to dump their asses. Because you can go on all you want about how something is not right but as long as you stay with that person you are indirectly also telling them it's OK, that you're willing to put up with it and that they won't have to deal with the consequences of acting like asshats.

Love, especially love of your life is not supposed to make you feel like shit unless you like the drama and the pain. It takes two people to create a particular dynamic (I speak from painful personal experience) and it's created by someone doing something unacceptable and the other person letting them get away with it, thereby reinforcing the message that it's all right to continue doing it. And if you really don't like it, then put down some boundaries and ground rules and stick to them, at which point the other person has the choice to either change or leave.

It sounds much easier to say than to put into practice of course, but usually it's the only way.

If you don't want to dialogue with someone, simply don't engage. Don't answer when they ring, or if you do just put down the phone. Don't answer their letters. This is more effective than saying LEAVE ME ALONe because as long as you're saying anything you're still talking and this encourages further dialogue. On the other hand blank silence does work because eventually they get the message of no reinforcement at all and then they stop.

If my husband didn't show up for plans he'd made with me and didn't call, I'd read him the riot act. If a lover pulled the same stunt then they'd have to work their little asses of to convince me to see them again. I'm all for being understanding and forgiving, and there are times when people forget or get sidetracked or something. But if it becomes a repeat pattern... in my opinion life is too short to put up with that bollocks.

Best of luck

Nice advice, but i begin to wonder, perhaps saggies are different in the UK. Just wondering. U are blessed though, u realise that??? But u are also wise...

Yes, apparently, every time we dialogue with our Sag's, they get us back on the roller coaster. Listen, I'm all for the excitement of a roller coaster ride, but if that's all I'm ever on...high high's, and low low's, I'm bound to vomit eventually, get a headache, a brain contusion, and lots of aches and pains. LOTS. I've already done the verbal vomiting, and my brain hurts from thinking, "WHY does this keep happening?" At the end of the day, best to get off the ride and get on something more stable, more calm, and less nauseating.

Satori--that sucks that he won't even be responsible to his own child. But then again, why am I not surprised? Sag's are BIG children themselves and it's all about "me, me, me".

JC--sorry to hear your Sag is up to his old ways again. Honestly, these people won't change--and when I say "change"...I mean learning to treat their partners as valuable, and treating them well. If they didn't do it to begin with, they're not about to start now. Although, frankly, I think that's a load of crap (bollocks, per Nia) on their end, because they CHOOSE not to change, not because they can't. They get what they want, how they want it, and on their own selfish terms, so why bother changing?

I read in a book this morning, "A person can only change if he/she wants to, and if you stay around hoping they will change, realize that a person won't even try to change if a situation doesn't become uncomfortable enough for them TO change--as in, you leave, and if they love you and realize they need to change to get you back, then they might. But as long as they get what they want, they won't change. There is no real incentive to do so, especially if you stick around, take their crap, and hope for the best." I think that's VERY true.

Sags: Selfish. Self-centered. Inconsiderate. Rude. Thoughtless. Self-serving. Liars. Players. And did I mention, selfish?

Chaps my behind...

DualFish

More Drama: I called today cursing him out saying why did he not call, then he called later saying he was in jail for a day because of a ticket and a warrant because of old tickets.

Then the police picked him up and took him to jail for the night and took his phone.

Then he had his brother call me, but supposedly the brother called the wrong number, so then he got me and his brother on the phone to tell me that he really did get arrested.

Then he got mad at me, because I said it's always something with him, and he said- Your mad that I didn't come to dinner! Then he said I have to go to work, bye!

He was really nasty and short with me and made me feel like I was a wicked bitch because I was still upset. He thought well I'm telling you now what happened so just suck it up.

More Drama: I called today cursing him out saying why did he not call, then he called later saying he was in jail for a day because of a ticket and a warrant because of old tickets.

Then the police picked him up and took him to jail for the night and took his phone.

Then he had his brother call me, but supposedly the brother called the wrong number, so then he got me and his brother on the phone to tell me that he really did get arrested.

Then he got mad at me, because I said it's always something with him, and he said- Your mad that I didn't come to dinner! Then he said I have to go to work, bye!

He was really nasty and short with me and made me feel like I was a wicked bitch because I was still upset. He thought well I'm telling you now what happened so just suck it up.